Gary Bekkums latest-Re "The Core Story"-Forbidden Topics

[Yex]

More "Core Story" Hi-jinks for your reading pleasure

I have taken the liberty of posting a chunk of it here as Garys twitter states it may disappear

from here http://starpod.org/knowing_part_11.htm


As for any Presidential involvement with the I.C. "core story," one source to investigative author Gus Russo explained that "apparently the President does not have need to know" the truth behind the extraterrestrial UFO tales.

In the 2005 series of leaked messages, the originating source wrote, "For the time being, I do not need any additional named sources. I just need reasonable confidence that I have a reliable independent source for the core story. Despite Ron's occasional protestations, you remain my first preference."

This series of messages, which we refer to as "the team of three," involved discussion of how to best promote government disclosure of the alleged extraterrestrial core story, confirmation of some related details from the late DCI Richard Helms, and one team member offering that "I will think about this seriously, as long as our three-person team (you, me, and Ron) remains protected."

He then added, "I will cut and run the first instant I get a whiff that some list ... or whomever gets interested in me."

It was later added:

"To the extent the core story or any part of it is true, I believe it is being properly and legally protected. To the extent it is not true, or partly not true, that part is delusional or at best, rumor."

Taken out of context, the above might appear as the smoking gun for a UFO conspiracy, however:

"I have no intention trying to 'out' a story that may be legally being protected. In fact, I have taken an oath to not do so on my own recognizance."

And that, it would appear, is the conundrum faced by anyone who would bring the rumored core story to the attention of the President of the United States.

[mur]

Good stuff

[Yex]

More from Gary here,

http://danger-e.blogspot.com/2009/06/unconfirmed-report-et-contactees-sought.html

heres a snippet........

It has been brought to my attention that a project allegedly funded by -- REDACTED -- is currently investigating "UFO persons of interest" for the overt purpose of obtaining potentially useful information to build a ground to low Earth orbit transport vehicle for -- REDACTED -- proposed space hotel chain.

any guesses as to the redacted names?

Gordon Novel & Robert Bigelow?

[Cogburn]

The second "REDACTED" could just as easily be Richard Branson.

AFAIK "Virgin Galactic" is a bit further only the developmental pipeline than Bigelow's efforts.

[Yex]

The second "REDACTED" could just as easily be Richard Branson.

AFAIK "Virgin Galactic" is a bit further only the developmental pipeline than Bigelow's efforts.

I thought Bigelow was already up there?

Saw this page a while ago where his "Genesis 1" picked up something on its camera

http://bigelowaerospace.com/genesis_I/?Mystery_in_the_Sky

http://bigelowaerospace.com/genesis_I/images/private_eye12.jpg

edit to add pic

[Cogburn]

I suppose it's all in how you judge progress.

http://www.virgingalactic.com/htmlsite/news.php

As of last week Branson's launch vehicles seem like they might be almost ready for extra-atmospheric testing.

Although now looking at the two projects side-by-side, they seem complimentary instead of competitive.

Taking a closer look, perhaps your correct in assuming Bigelow... but Novel? That guy gives Lear a run for his money on the bullshit scale.

[Lexion]

That Bigelow clip is a reflection.

It moves with the camera.

Or, it's THEM trying to fool us.

Yeah,
Lex

[Yex]

Taking a closer look, perhaps your correct in assuming Bigelow... but Novel? That guy gives Lear a run for his money on the bullshit scale.

The "RAM Project" using back engineered alien tech, Gordons group are developing anti-grav craft.

They apparently tried to hire Burisch as an advisor recently.

How could you possibly imply bullshit? :D

[Lexion]

The "RAM Project" using back engineered alien tech, Gordons group are developing anti-grav craft.

They apparently tried to hire Burisch as an advisor recently.

How could you possibly imply bullshit? :D

As Chii would say :

*facepalm*

Sewing the gash in my forehead,
Lex

[Yex]

Heres one of our old exochums- Ed Komareks advice to Mr Novel,

Taken from everyones favourite forum here http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=othernonserpodisclosures&action=display&thread=5837

(I`m presuming the XXXX , XXXX is Gordon)




Hi xxxxx , xxxxx:

I am coming in a little late to the party but I had some thoughts.

xxxxxx, maybe you want to consider a step by step approach toward your RAM goals rather than try to come up with millions of dollars upfront. How about this idea? I don't think you can compete head on with the entrenched Corporate Alien Resource Cartel at this point anyhow.

Step 1 Bring in a good corporate manager for the RAM Corporation and build up a good detailed business plan that potential investors will appreciate and that will work.

Step 2 Copyright the name Solar Warden. Consider smaller ventures that can bring in capital. For instance how about a U.S. Navy Solar Warden toy line complete with space carriers, scout ships like those Bobby Inman may be producing that fit into the carriers, space docking station, moon and mars bases etc.

Step 3 Build working models of RAM that can be flown by hobbyists and develop small drones for surveillance purposes.

Step 4 Get Solar Warden contracts for items related to RAM.

Step 5 Build RAM spacecraft for both civilian and military uses.

The way I see it is that you are already participating knowingly or unknowingly in a MJ 12 acclimation operation to acclimate the public to this sort of thing and so they might be inclined to go along with something structured in this way. This Solar Warden toy line might give Ron, John and MJ 12 a little heartburn to begin with but it would be a good way to acclimate the public to the Solar Warden secret space fleet.

Of course I disagree with the idea of a acclamation program as just another excuse for a continual type of tyranny but it might be useful to you. Here is a Kit Green quote that popped up at OM recently.

"To the extent the Disclosure is real, it must needs be very complex. A multi billion-dollar program, with many levels of clearances, and a decision that a multi-year effort to release millions of pages of what has been heretofore a 50-year effort at hiding data is happening. The reasons are beyond us all to understand, but are underpinned by deep decisions of very high levels of government. [...]"

Ed http://exopolitics.blogspot.com/

[Cogburn]

The "RAM Project" using back engineered alien tech, Gordons group are developing anti-grav craft.

They apparently tried to hire Burisch as an advisor recently.

How could you possibly imply bullshit? :D

As Chii would say :

*facepalm*

Sewing the gash in my forehead,
Lex
Speaking of chii.... If you take a step back from this nonsense it reads like a well-written LARP campaign. There are certain predetermined "characters" who are employed with keeping the story line moving forward and everyone must check back in with them from time to time to make sure they aren't too far off the plotline.

Next thing you know Jordan Maxwell will be contributing portions of his "research".

That would only serve to make the circle of bullshit complete.

Sunuvabitch I want in on all this alien technology research money. If I could only find a way to spin my background properly I wouldn't have to worry about my 401(k) performance anymore.

[Lexion]

Step 2 Copyright the name Solar Warden. Consider smaller ventures that can bring in capital. For instance how about a U.S. Navy Solar Warden toy line complete with space carriers, scout ships like those Bobby Inman may be producing that fit into the carriers, space docking station, moon and mars bases etc.


:lol:

Keep it coming.

Grinning,
Lex

[Yex]

For instance how about a U.S. Navy Solar Warden toy line complete with space carriers, scout ships like those Bobby Inman may be producing that fit into the carriers, space docking station, moon and mars bases etc.

I want Solar Warden toys! :batman:

[mur]

Tuesday, June 30, 2009
Crash and Burn: Is this the Beginning and the End of Disclosure? (http://stargate007.blogspot.com/2009/06/crash-and-burn-is-this-beginning-and.html)


Many links inside the article

[Cogburn]

We are not alone.

There is other intelligent life in UFOlogy.

[boycotteverything]

Tuesday, June 30, 2009
Crash and Burn: Is this the Beginning and the End of Disclosure? (http://stargate007.blogspot.com/2009/06/crash-and-burn-is-this-beginning-and.html)


Many links inside the articleVintage Garry Bekkum. Gotta love that guy- especially his equanimity in the face of all the dubunkerist attacks by the RU Boyz. I miss Caryn's take on things. Hopefully she'll be back soon. I asked both to join up here and both said they'd consider it. I suspect Gary may be lurking upon occasion...

[Yex]

this is Dondep, Dan Burisch arch-nemesis take on the saga

For newcomers to the ‘SERPO’ soap-opera, the first thing they should know about this hoax is that the very name – ‘SERPO’ – is an acronym for Operation RESearch. OP-RES. OPRES. Reversed; SERPO. An operation centered around a fictional story the purpose of which was to determine who in UFOology (you-fool-ogy) would be gullible enough to accept the fiction as fact, and float it as such. For as long as there have been flying saucer stories, there has been disinformation programs by the Coverup artists to explain them away, and the recent regurgitation of the SERPO hoax is particularly pertinent in this regard because of the actual facts surrounding it.



Some years ago, an ‘Operation Patchwork’ was decided upon at the highest levels, and approved of by Majestic 12 (MJ-12). First, though, a little background before we enter the twilight zone of duplicity at the highest levels.



Just as the true state of affairs between the human authorities and their extraterrestrial treaty partners has been a closely-held secret at the very pinnacle of power, hidden behind the question-us-not wall known as “National Security”, the Coverup has had to constantly deal with threats of exposure. To deal with this threat, from the very beginning they infiltrated and cultivated certain civilian groups ostensibly concerned with transparency in matters involving the UFO and alien subjects. For example, well-read readers of this subject matter will recall how Adm. Hillenkoetter (allegedly the first MJ-1 and first DCI – Director, Central Intelligence) joined NICAP (National Investigations Committee On Aerial Phenomena) in 1957 after his public retirement. This top-echelon Coverup artist was so good at acting the double-agent that he became less known for his actions hiding the alien presence than he did for his quote "Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe the unknown flying objects are nonsense." A modern-day equivalent would be a GOP political figure who built his reputation on moral rectitude, say Newt Gingrich, who while excoriating Pres. Clinton for his “immoral behavior” with his intern and demanding he resign his office, was at the same time having an adulterous affair with a member of his own staff.

continued here...........


http://danburisch.info/Serpo_Pilot_Program_for_Patchwork.htm

[mur]

Thanks Yex...nice find

[Cogburn]

Burisch disagrees only because he rides a unicorn of a different color.

[Yex]

Ok guys, riddle me this Batman

anyone figure this out, poached from OM?




Dan, as you may be aware it is sometimes necessary to employ "Unusual Methods and Sources." Re: Mr. Doty and Mr. Green.

One UMS did provide a multi-dimensional clue to the situation; rather than provide my interpretation, I am curious as to your opinion.

That clue is actually encoded in this image:

http://starpod.org/UFO%20SPY%20GAMES%20425x325.JPG

I believe this response, directed to the good doctor, is consistent with his analysis.

What do you think?

[Yex]

Burisch disagrees only because he rides a unicorn of a different color.

fuckall to do with Burisch really mate, this is from Don Depeller, ongoing war with DB, Don runs the Golden thread forum, http://www.thegoldenthread.info/forum/ which Burisches mob recently tried to usurp, DBs lot have even registered Dondep.com & org to stitch the guy up, great entertainment, better than the telly!

[mur]

I would like to know who the guy in the photo is....I don't know.

Anyone?


Edit to add....I tend not to go with the extremes points of view in this case, or others.

Whatever the truth might be, it is probably somewhere in the middle

[Yex]

I would like to know who the guy in the photo is....I don't know.

Anyone?


Source A

[chickenfriedfuss]

I would like to know who the guy in the photo is....I don't know.

Anyone?


Source A
It was stated by the "Temps" that Source A did not have any kids. The picture of this dude looks like it's dated from early 60's. Based on pictures of my parents during that time ...and they are in their 60's now...I'm guessing 'A' would be my Grandparent's age -in his 80's. Hard to believe he had no kids.

[Yex]

I would like to know who the guy in the photo is....I don't know.

Anyone?


Source A
It was stated by the "Temps" that Source A did not have any kids. The picture of this dude looks like it's dated from early 60's. Based on pictures of my parents during that time ...and they are in their 60's now...I'm guessing 'A' would be my Grandparent's age -in his 80's. Hard to believe he had no kids.

I was joking mate, actually I think it is toon, in his younger days

[mur]

This from super mod Jake at OM



The Black King is not in checkmate. It has one move. After which the white knight may check both the King & the Earth in it's next move.

That is Richard Helms, CIA Director 1966-1973.

[boycotteverything]

yeah jake- but what if it's white's move?

[boycotteverything]

and whatever became of 'dickhelmsghost?'

[Yex]

This from super mod Jake at OM



The Black King is not in checkmate. It has one move. After which the white knight may check both the King & the Earth in it's next move.

That is Richard Helms, CIA Director 1966-1973.

Dans take on the puzzle gives me a headache, as usual :lol:

You have the gender wrong, I believe. It's the black queen with Pierce being the Earth/King/GIC, the vulnerable One, in this case.

They were under 'attack' by the holy trinity: father/king, white knight and holy bishop.

But, actually, the rapture/exodus is already underway, being overseen by the GIC, and leaving the Gaian queen, after her being ravished.

Make it the GIC that are the black queen protecting the black king/earth, so there is a double gender switch due to the oddity of chess.

This is a also a reversal on my original, yin/yang cosmology, see the BPW/Aquarium sub-folder.

[boycotteverything]

All these clowns need to consider this:


Tuesday, September 24, 2002
Science fiction writers help the CIA

Will McCarthy reports on his experiences consulting with the CIA on scenario building in his capacity as a science fiction writer in the new Wired:

My mission, should I choose to accept it: sit in a room full of fellow sci-fi writers and help imagine, shall we say, things that might someday go bump. But first there was a definite moment of double take, and then a scramble to confirm that this wasn't some elaborate hoax. Because, like, the CIA needs my advice on scariness?

Let's face it: The FBI, the NSA, and even Israel's Mossad are second-rate bogeymen. When it comes to the paranoid fantasies of hit lists and ESP drugs, gigabuck dope deals, and orbiting mind-control lasers, the Agency rules. Then again, it's not entirely unprecedented for bureaucrats to draw inspiration from science fiction. Fed techies are as likely to read the stuff as any other geeks, and a few at NASA and the DOD even write it.




Postby cartoonsyndicate on Mon May 22, 2006 9:24 pm

[quote:1i6lhlg6] ScaRZ wrote:I believe I might have the answer for the...As Above So Below .

Matthew 6:10

Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as [it is] in heaven.

The message:

Set the world right; do what's right, as above, so below.



there's a long history to this. from hegel and sartre all the way back to plato. phenomena vs. numena. the real vs. the ideal, etc.... ysensa has no understanding of the underlieing truth. the point of phenomenology is process- not revelation. cults derive from perceived revelaton. there is no damascus moment. that is the problem with serpo, dianetics, hare krishnoidism and all manner of aberrant assholery. place your trust in dialectical reason- cogito ergo sum. that is the path towards the absurd which we seek. and that is why we pursue ufology.
__________________________________________________ ________________

amidst the growing ripples and wiry bamboos, broken in youth like the teeth of a mutant.. Afterburn, ca 1978

User avatar[/quote:1i6lhlg6]

[Yex]

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/AAhelms1.jpg

[mur]

Part 1
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/109487

Part 2

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/109645

Part 3

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/109758


Part Murnut

http://tinyurl.com/PandolfiUFO

Notice who is #2???????

[Cogburn]

Hey murnut... that article was pretty awesome... for a few reasons...

It really helped to put a layman's perspective on the whole SERPO nonsense and why anyone even cares about it anymore.


Either members of the intelligence community had contracted Internet madness, or something else was at play.
Given that he's dealing with the ODNI, of course it must be "something else" and not contract Internet madness with a method. Bekkum's objectivity starts to waiver.


Within a few days Pandolfi had gone from paying his teenagers to delete SERPO-related emails to actively engaging the issue over "national security concerns" with allegations of questionable persons and access to government facilities.

Pandolfi wrote to his colleague:

"Your expansion of the story of the two DIA employees visiting LANL [Los Alamos National Laboratory] and being known to others has me concerned. The names you provided do not correspond to any DIA employees. There are no people with these names that have TS//SCI clearances. If the story of the sources/visitors is true, they are falsely representing themselves as DIA employees, possibly to access sensitive facilities and acquire classified information for a foreign service."

Anytime the issue of falsification of government documents was raised, Pandolfi was ready to place the blame on Rick Doty.

Pandolfi released a series of email exchanges between Pandolfi and Green, concerning UFO source Rick Doty, phony DIA persons, SERPO, and a 1980s meeting with USAF Colonels Hennessey and Weaver at Pandolfi's CIA office.

So time and time again Bekkum reports that any time we see "new" information regarding this whole nonsense it originates with Pandolfi. Granted we haven't seen the remainder of the series yet, but ... um ... yeah.


In July of 2006, Pandolfi wrote to me requesting certain information be withheld from an impending article about allegations that a USAF UFO source known as FALCON had been traced back to Col. Hennessey, who had appeared at a meeting at CIA arranged by Pandolfi following a 1988 national TV broadcast called UFO COVER-UP LIVE.
Hold the fucking phone. An ODNI employee asking a member of the press to withhold information from a story involving a potential government cover-up?

Ok... Bekkum mentions "Twin Peaks"... fitting, because at this point he's gone to Hap's Diner to grab some coffee and flirt with Irene and completely abandoned reality.

There are so many federal crimes being admitted to in this article that it simply boggles the mind. Call me naive, but for someone at the DIA to not just blow off claims of illegal infiltration into a classified government area but to blame someone for such crimes is simply ridiculous.

All I can see from this is that it appears pretty plain that Pandolfi is fucking with all of you.

No?

[Cogburn]

Hehe... taking a turn from murnut I searched

"ron pandolfi -ufo" and found this...

http://www.realityuncovered.net/blog/2009/06/on-gary-bekkum-a-drama-queen-cannot-exist-without-an-audience/

Is this tour-de-farce little more than a response to RD?

Truth be told I think Dube stick his finger in anyone's eye if he thought it would keep people visiting his site and maintain his internet profile.

[mur]

Pandolfi may be fucking with us.

Certainly the Intelligence community is fucking with all of us.


Following the SERPO email affair, AFP and other mainstream news sources reported that the DIA "can operate in cyberspace" and can "conduct the operations inside the United States as well as overseas."

The DIA cyberspace initiative had begun in 2006 "on a trial basis," around the same time Green engaged Pandolfi over the SERPO affair.

The AFP report, which quoted Toby Sullivan, a senior Pentagon CI (counter-intelligence) official, noted that the on-line operations were "not intended to catch spies but to turn their operations to US ends."

The operational use of the Internet by the DIA, inside of the United States, suggests the concept of "virtual flypaper" and "flypaper theory."

It is not entirely impossible for official US Intelligence or their proxies in the private sector to establish enticing "sticky" topics to attract spy-flies.

The big question is how much collateral damage spills over onto US citizens.

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/109758


I come to the opinion that the govt is basically clueless about the ufo phenomena and can't answer the most basic of questions.

That being said, someone has to appear to be in charge.

Is it Pandolfi?

I am in favor of turning up the heat

[Cogburn]

I completely agree.

I'm quite sure that someone within this great land there is but one U.S. prosecutor looking to make his bones.

There's a host of crimes being swatted back and forth.

If the crimes turn out to be baseless, then the stories presented from the commission of those crimes are baseless (ie the "infiltration" of LANL), and the SERPO fantasy dies once and for all.

If the crimes turn out not to be baseless, then it's an opportunity to get all these SERPOtards on the witness stand with testimony under oath.

I don't know anyone on the federal circuit. :(

I wonder how hard it would be to find a federal prosecutor with a collection of tin-foil hats in the closet...

[mur]

First Pandolfi's name must come to the attention of the press/media.

Until then, he is free to do as he wills.

The only thing his superiors care about is negative publicity.

Spying on the public, albeit the ufo nuts, won't go over well.

And just why is the ufo community targeted any way?

Shits and giggles?

[Cogburn]

IMHO.... abso-fucking-lutely.

What's the one thing that John Lear, Ron Pandolfi and Lloyde England (who recently "admitted" that he is a patsy involved with staging the 9/11 attacks on the Pentagon) have in common?

Nothing to lose by spouting nonsense and a shot at immortality via conspiracy theory.

That is... unless someone actually tries to hold them to it in a court of law.

Lear being the minor exception to that since he's already put his name to an affidavit legally acknowledging his insanity, but he's never been asked to testify to it in a court of law nor held to cross examination.

I'd love to see it. We could pay-per-view that shit.

[mur]

I don't see it as shits and giggles.

Too much at stake, at least the Intelligence community likes to think their work is important.

The "climate" maybe getting warmer for those in the "IC"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090711/ap_on_go_co/us_domestic_surveillance

It might be in vogue for some "high level" reporter to go sleuthing after Pandolfi.

I've noticed these "reporters" on Twitter.

I'd like to catch their attention.

I'll have to be real lucky

[Yex]

RU Debunkers stitch up Collins

http://www.realityuncovered.net/blog/2009/07/the-bad-shepherd/

Ref Bob Collins book "Exempt from Disclosure" lots of info therein that comes from James Jesus Angletons "Grandson" - RU sleuths claim he is an imposter.

[Cogburn]

What's at stake, really? Pandolfi's reputation? Even Bekkum notes that Pandolfi's career hasn't been hurt by his pronouncements. Bekkum assumes that Pandolfi's leaks are all part of the plan, but why is that more likely than the fact that no one really cares. There's no CIA rules being broken in anything Pandolfi has done or said. No federal laws being violated, at least by Pandolfi.

If Pandolfi is in a key position to be "in the know" he is also in a key position to be sitting in his den laughing at Bekkum, Ryan, & Co. for exactly the same reasons.

The assumption that anyone else within the IC powerstructure takes it as anything more than mere amusement isn't in evidence anywhere as far as I can see, unless I'm missing something obvious.

How does Pandolfi remain a free man? Is it because he is "protected" or because no one actually gives a shit about anything he says because it is so far from reality as to not be dangerous to anything truly secret?

[mur]

I think you a right that no one really cares, at least no one cares that matters.

I don't think any laws have been broken, however.......if they can fuck with the Ufo community, they can fuck with any group.

What if they were fucking with the NAACP?

Or the Media?

I don't know, but something just does not add up for me

[boycotteverything]

RU Debunkers stitch up Collins

http://www.realityuncovered.net/blog/2009/07/the-bad-shepherd/

Ref Bob Collins book "Exempt from Disclosure" lots of info therein that comes from James Jesus Angletons "Grandson" - RU sleuths claim he is an imposter.Well- not this RU 'sleuth' apparently-

Exempt from Dislosure is a fascinating and intriguing look at a particular story that has been a part of the world of UFOlogy for over 30 years. In this all-encompassing book, author Bob Collins proves himself to be a very detail-oriented and factually accurate researcher. Bob Collins provides names, dates, and details that the reader can be certain are accurate regarding the various meetings among shadowy men who have ridden the fringes of this story for decades. While many of the more outrageous stories provided by these sources are questionable, and while many of those sources are anonymous and unverified 2nd hand sources - what is significant regarding this book is that Bob is one of the very few people who these myth-makers talk to and consistently share a great deal of data with, all the way back to the MJ12 days. Some of these folks include men like James Angleton Jr, Ernie Kellerstrass, and Rick Doty. Information from these particular sources have rarely stood up under verification, so the stories from those sources (and their own sub-sources) need to be taken with a large dose of salt - but what does stand up to scrutiny is Bob Collins ability to dive deeply into an investigation, to keep detailed and accurate records of his research, and to inform the reader what he was told by these sources. Mystery and intrigue abounds. Bob Collins will give you a tour through this dark world and by the end of the tour you will be convinced that there are some stories men tell that defy reason, and that there are some things buried from public view that we may not really want to know about. -Ryan (ryguy) @ realityuncovered.com

[Yex]

Dubes freaking out at Gary Bekkum again :D

Ryan Dube: "Gary - your articles encourage loose thinking and idiotic theories based on whatever little tidbits you can gather from formerly classified documents. You're a moron. After reading this latest, I can honestly say that I despise everything you do. The effects of your writing are harmful, dangerous, and counter-productive to encouraging critical thinking, true open-mindedness based on the highest probable answers, and following the most clear path to the truth. Your articles, your writing, and your thought processes fly in the face of all of that."

[mur]

Link?

[Lexion]

http://stargate007.blogspot.com/

Enjoy,
Lex

[boycotteverything]

I can honestly say that I despise everything you do. The effects of your writing are harmful, dangeroushahahaha. this is from that consummate douchebag, Ryan Dube??? Holy shit! This takes 'food-fight' to the next level! There is a modicum of real hatred in Dube's rant!

[boycotteverything]

It's worth noting that everything the Dubious has had to say on the subject of the core story was stolen lock, stock and barrel from Gary and Caryn. Dube has never had an original thought on these matters and when the going got tough- he recused himself in a trembling fit of fear. His cowardice is well known and well documented and I won't go into it here. (Unless I'm begged!) Sufficient to say- Dube is a fraud, a craven and a liar.

[Cogburn]

It'll save us days and hours of piecing together years of nonsense, reinventing the wheel.

Just let us see your wheel. Spill it.

Please. :)

[mur]

Pandolfi Update

http://tinyurl.com/ydvo7su

http://tinyurl.com/ydke868

http://www.starpod.org/news/1001151.htm

[Cogburn]

So there's Gary Bekkum on the one hand preaching the "IC did it!" gospel, already so familiar to AmKoids via the likes of BE.

There's Ryan Douche, who can't research his way out of a paper bag but seems to be the single voice of reason.

Then there's the chuckleheads at OMF that act as proxies for responses from anyone that Ryan Douche offends.

The only thing that such interaction has ever amounted to is the slowly expanding circle jerk of internet fame that each provides the other in the guise of being confrontational and "naming names."

Nothing is ever solved. Nothing is ever disclosed. Nothing is ever truly approached, yet the circle jerk continues.

SERPO isn't an IC experiment, it's far more simple of an explanation with infinitely more complex implications: a bunch of random internet attention whores all participating in the same charade, the script is unknown between the actors but each still continues to play their roll faithfully and without error so long as the audience continues to applaud.

[mur]

Agree with much of what you wrote...however I'm starting to consider that Serpo and other dubious "releases" were never intended to attract belief in the story. Yes the story masters knew that some would believe.

But perhaps these stories are meant to attract attention....slowly but surely.

The attention was/is supposed to focus on particular people.

It's an end run of sorts.

[Cogburn]

Smaller words to the uninitiated in SERPO, please.

An end run around what?

[mur]

When it comes right down to it....I'm a ufer.

End run around disclosure.

I'm a dreamer

[Cogburn]

SWEET! FINALLY!

You're the only TB I've met that might even attempt to answer the following question in anything approximating an honest answer.

Why does anyone think the government knows anything more than what has been disclosed?

It might seem like a loaded question, but it's not.

What's the one thing that of which you simply cannot let go that says that the gov't is "in on it"?

[mur]

Why does anyone think the government knows anything more than what has been disclosed?

It might seem like a loaded question, but it's not.

What's the one thing that of which you simply cannot let go that says that the gov't is "in on it"?

That's just it...I don't think the govt knows all that much about the phenomena at all.

According to Dan...Ron has said...that they track the folks that interact with the phenomena because the govt can't track the phenomena itself.

I'm not sure I believe that....I'm not exactly sure what I believe in this regard.

But I do believe there won't be any official disclosure of ET/UT presence here on Earth, because it's a no win situation....the govt can't answer any questions because they simply don't have any answers.

This releases might just be bluffs...with the intention of throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks.

The end run I refer to maybe just a way of saying that the govt does indeed pay attention to ufo's.

That's a disclosure of sorts.

[GeneralStriker]

Cutler-Twining has been authenticated by Bob Woods and Stan Friedman. Robertson was the IC reaction. The panel's report is public record. That's all you need to know. Some things cannot be debunked by even the cost committed prevaricators.

[skunk]

Still waiting for disclosure?

Even if the governments of the world know something, what makes you think they'd share that information?

They'd lose control over their populations.

People might actually start thinking for themselves.

Shit, if the government lied to us about UFOs/aliens, what else?

Slippery slope.

There's no way in hell any government would take that chance.

[GeneralStriker]

there will never be disclosure by governments. but ET will eventually disclose himself.

[skunk]

I already know in my heart of hearts that there's some unexplainable phenomenon occurring.

Not to mention my own sighting(s) and first hand experiences in meditation have lead me to believe we can't see all there is to reality.

I still think its wishful thinking to wait for "ET" to disclose anything.

But there's always that slight chance.

[GeneralStriker]

what you witnessed was precisely ET disclosing himself. millions of eye witness reports. photographic evidence, trace evidence, testimony by abductees. disclosure by and for ET is an ongoing project.

[skunk]

That's actually a good point, but disclosing one by one takes a bit more time and energy than a massive sighting in the sky, or for instance, Lord Xenu saying he exists on live television.

We'll have to wait for a long time until everyone "knows".

In the grand scheme of things though, a few hundred/thousand years ain't nothing.

[GeneralStriker]

hey- who can speculate on their methodology or motives? but we do see results.

[skunk]

hey- who can speculate on their methodology or motives? but we do see results.

True. We don't know what the fuck "they" want.

Maybe they don't want anything out of us, and are merely here to study life on Earth.

Maybe they're here to invade...Although that seems unlikely because "ETs" who have the technology to travel through space/time most likely have highly advanced weaponry that would put us to shame.

[GeneralStriker]

maybe....

[GeneralStriker]

i'd recommend reading The Threat by Dr. David Jacobs for some informed 'maybes.'

[Raptor Jesus]

I realised a long time ago that 'The Day' of disclosure, the big speech (official government recognition of the phenomenon), whether it's tomorrow or in a hundred years- was unimportant to my life and goals, and went looking for my own personal disclosure.

If ET ever had open or covert contact with civilians I would want:

1) Superior Healthcare.
2) Advanced home power generation units.
3) Increased protection from natural disasters and wars.
4) A safer saner Earth.
5) Wisdom
6) Mentoring

There is nothing guaranteeing that I will get these things after 'The Big Speech', likewise there's nothing preventing me from going after them right now, therefore personal disclosure is the way forward for me. Hang on for that speech and you could waste your life.

[mur]

i'd recommend reading The Threat by Dr. David Jacobs for some informed 'maybes.'


Yeah...I plan to get this book

Couple of Jacobs links

http://aliensandchildren.org/InterviewwithProf.htm

http://www.ufoabduction.com/telepathy1.htm

Apologies to Lex

[Raptor Jesus]

Why apologies to Lex? Private joke I guess.

[GeneralStriker]

I realised a long time ago that 'The Day' of disclosure, the big speech, whether it's tomorrow or in a hundred years- was unimportant to my life and goals, and went looking for my own personal disclosure.

If ET ever had open or covert contact with civilians I would want:

1) Superior Healthcare.
2) Advanced home power generation units.
3) Increased protection from natural disasters and wars.
4) A safer saner Earth.
5) Wisdom
6) Mentoring

There is nothing guaranteeing that I will get these things after 'The Big Speech', likewise there's nothing preventing me from going after them right now, therefore personal disclosure is the way forward for me. Hang on for that speech and you could waste your life.and exactly what is the 'big speech?'

[Raptor Jesus]

I mean the 'official disclosure' that a lot of UFOlogists are pushing for. Official government recognition of the phenomenon.

[GeneralStriker]

hahahah don't hold your breath for that one.

[Raptor Jesus]

Exactly, that was my whole point.

[GeneralStriker]

well taken. but that's also the point of this entire sorry ass thread!

[Raptor Jesus]

Fair enough... Does anyone think any of the contactees -from the 1950's space brother wave to present- are credible? Are they all completely delusional/lying?

[mur]

I realised a long time ago that 'The Day' of disclosure, the big speech, whether it's tomorrow or in a hundred years- was unimportant to my life and goals, and went looking for my own personal disclosure.

If ET ever had open or covert contact with civilians I would want:

1) Superior Healthcare.
2) Advanced home power generation units.
3) Increased protection from natural disasters and wars.
4) A safer saner Earth.
5) Wisdom
6) Mentoring

There is nothing guaranteeing that I will get these things after 'The Big Speech', likewise there's nothing preventing me from going after them right now, therefore personal disclosure is the way forward for me. Hang on for that speech and you could waste your life.


I agree except I'm not really looking for the aliens (if that's what they are) to save us with the list you mentioned. These things need to be earned, by ourselves....not given out like trinkets. It cheapens the value of the lesson and makes the journey meaningless and devoid of understanding.

[mur]

Why apologies to Lex? Private joke I guess.

He'll correct me if I'm wrong on his opinion of abductions, but he generally is highly skeptical of hypnotic regression.

I'm generally skeptical of this as well, but the sheer numbers of similar accounts is disturbing and something to consider.

[mur]

well taken. but that's also the point of this entire sorry ass thread!

The d-day speech isn't coming...unless the phenomena forces it by their actions at some point.

I think it's clear the phenomena is not ready

[GeneralStriker]

Fair enough... Does anyone think any of the contactees -from the 1950's space brother wave to present- are credible? Are they all completely delusional/lying?per capita they're as credible as any other segment of the population in regards to the perception of any other set of events. it's impossible to place a percentage on it.

[Raptor Jesus]

True Mur, one of the problems with the UFO pheneomena is the 'come and save us daddy' mindset. However, many social systems on Earth are at breaking point and we could use some teaching, as long as it respected our sovereignty and allowed us to make our own mistakes.

There'd be something wrong with ET coming and making everything better again, but a little detached mentoring would be fine.

For example: A clinic where you could get advice about advanced medicine or advanced technology could offer us information while still expecting us to do the work ourselves. Nothing wrong with that IMO.



The d-day speech isn't coming...unless the phenomena forces it by their actions at some point.

I think it's clear the phenomena is not ready


I agree, the phenomenon is guiding the whole thing. That's what I see when I look at the situation. The situation isn't guided by a bunch of ufologists, it's a huge historical cycle that will play itself out according to it's own timetable.

I think a certain critical mass of knowledge will be reached and the truth will be forced out, as you said.

[Raptor Jesus]

OK GS but could you name anyone you find more interesting/credible/trustworthy than others?

[mur]

For example: A clinic where you could get advice about advanced medicine or advanced technology could offer us information while still expecting us to do the work ourselves. Nothing wrong with that IMO.


I don't trust the phenomena period.

I want to, I really do.

But if I look back at the behavior of the phenomena over the years...I see nothing to indicate friendship.

[GeneralStriker]

OK GS but could you name anyone you find more interesting/credible/trustworthy thatn others? Sure. The evidence is overwhelming and has been researched and aggregated by by many reliable students of the field. Dr. John Mack, Dr. Allen Hynek, Stan Friedman, Dr. James McDonald, Dr. Leo Sprinkle, Dr. David Jacobs, Howard Blum, Tim Good, Rich Dolan... read the work and study the field before you give up your ghost to the giggle factor.

[GeneralStriker]

And please don't for a moment think that the messiah yearners somehow typify the field.

[Raptor Jesus]

Thx GS, I find it pretty interesting myself, I've read some of those people... I think the 1950's-present 'space brother' contactee wave is one of the most interesting parts of the whole phenomenon. Just wondered what people here thought. I'm fairly new here and I was just gauging where yr heads are at.

Mur,
There's not much to indicate outright enmity either. I think we're dealing with many different groups of varying intents ranging from diabolical to heavenly and everything in between...

The main thing I can see is that the phenomenon is detached, patient, secretive...

Who knows? All I know is I'm still alive, and I'm just going to protect myself and enjoy the mystery.

[GeneralStriker]

That's all true- but... has there ever in the course of human existence been a benevolent invasion?

[Raptor Jesus]

The phenomenon is so multi-faceted that I couldn't sum it up in a couple of sentences. I'm as confused as anyone.

I could say that we shouldn't project human history/values/motives onto unknowable civilisations, but that's been said a million times before.

All I know is that in a vast universe there's going to be beings of differing intents. Some will have transcended war and territorialism, others won't have. There's a pile of anecdotal evidence supporting the view that ET's are malevolent, invasive, bent on enslaving us... there's also a pile of evidence supporting the view that they are benevolent, wanting friendship.

Hollywood seems to be pushing us to fear the unknown, so for me that raises a red flag. That doesn't necessarily mean that one should go to the other extreme and think that all ET's are benevolent.

I have to put my hands up and say I just don't know what's going on in the depths of the heavens and Earth. All I know is I'm commited to studying the phenomeneon without fear...

Humanity should have the same attitude to it's first steps into the greater galaxy as a twelve year old going out in NYC for the first time.

[KIWI]

That's all true- but... has there ever in the course of human existence been a benevolent invasion?

well, I'll be a ginger alien!.....its my old mate " perrennial piker"...

vot iz upp olt marn? time to vosh the sox?

[Lexion]

Hollywood seems to be pushing us to fear the unknown, so for me that raises a red flag. That doesn't necessarily mean that one should go to the other extreme and think that all ET's are benevolent.

If I'm taking this wrong,
please correct me.

The whole "Hollywood preparing
us for disclosure" is a crock of shit.

There have been scary alien movies
since the '50s.

Where are the fucking aliens ?

Don't bring up the "Reagan to Spielberg"
quote, either.

That's pure hear-say.

Hollywood does what Hollywood does
best.

Make movies.

[GeneralStriker]

Where are the fucking aliens ?they're up your ass you smarmy bastard.

[skunk]

He'll correct me if I'm wrong on his opinion of abductions, but he generally is highly skeptical of hypnotic regression.

I'm generally skeptical of this as well, but the sheer numbers of similar accounts is disturbing and something to consider.

He won't believe the phenomenon is real until it happens to him.

[skunk]

OK GS but could you name anyone you find more interesting/credible/trustworthy than others?

I would stay away from the researchers, and go after the individuals who have only had one experience.

They don't see to have anything to gain, whereas the others...Well, you know how that goes.

[Lexion]

they're up your ass you smarmy bastard.

God, I'm glad your back.

I'd happily endure 100 anal
probes, for proof of aliens
visiting Earth.

Edit to add :
I just fucked myself.

[GeneralStriker]

I'd happily endure 100 anal
probes, for proof of aliens
visiting Earth.
I just fucked myself. shit- that's too fucking easy even for a hack like me.

[Lexion]

shit- that's too fucking easy even for a hack like me.

:D

[Raptor Jesus]

The whole "Hollywood preparing
us for disclosure" is a crock of shit.

There have been scary alien movies
since the '50s.


I agree, I think Hollywood is trying to do the opposite, scare us off the subject.

[Lexion]

I agree, I think Hollywood is trying to do the opposite, scare us off the subject.

Holy shit........really ?

I'm gonna be sorry for asking....

Why ?

Are the movie makers in Hollywood
"in on it" ?

You've got to be kidding me.

Please, explain what you are trying
to say.

Because I find that line of reasoning
laughable.

Let's see, who all is involved in
keeping this grand secret ?

Alphabet Agencies.

The Govt.

Big Pharma. (because the aliens can
cure cancer. That would cut profit)

The oil industry.

Automotive manufacturers. (they are
in bed with the oil industry)

The MIC.

The aircraft industry.

Now, Hollywood.


With millions of people "in on it" how
the fuck is it still a secret ?

[skunk]

Lol lex. I don't think that's what he was trying to say...

Hollywood doesn't seem to take aliens seriously, that's why there's so many movies about them IMO.

They probably think, "well if they're real they'd have already came down and abducted me (and anal probing for good measure) for making that god awful movie about reptilians."

[Raptor Jesus]

With millions of people "in on it" how
the fuck is it still a secret?

It's not a secret, cos we're talking about it.

Pwnt

[GeneralStriker]

Well here are the real researchers!


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http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2010/01/17

Date: Sunday, 01-17-2010

Host: GEORGE KNAPP

Guests: GORDON NOVEL and JANIS SHARP

SHOW FLASH: Controversial operative and "black world" superstar GORDON
NOVEL will join George Knapp to discuss his plans to replicate an alien
spacecraft and show how the government, specifically Majestic 12, is
trying to shut him down.

Then, in the latter half of the show, JANIS SHARP, mother of British
computer hacker Gary McKinnon, will talk about the US' efforts to bring
her son to trial.

Web site:

GORDON NOVEL:

http://www.gordonnovel.com/

Dr JACK SARFATTI:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Sarfatti

http://www.stardrive.org/title.shtml

http://www.stardrive.org/cartoon/

http://www.qedcorp.com/pcr/pcr/parsifal.html

http://lifeboat.com/ex/bios.jack.sarfatti

http://www.thinking-allowed.com/1jsarfatti.html

SHOW SHOCKER:

"CLASH OF THE 'BLACK WORLD' TITANS!

USG "Superstar" Operative GORDON NOVEL will go Mano-A-Tootho with "New
Age physics" giant Dr JACK SARFATTI! WHO will prevail and emerge
victorious?! WHO will lose face and have their reputation totally
thrashed and sent into the dustbin of modern day history?!

Tune in TONIGHT to the "COAST TO COAST AM Show" that the entire UFO-New
Age NATION has been waiting and talking about for months now ... that
day is FINALLY here!

CHOICE EXCERPTS of EXCHANGES BETWEEN GORDON NOVEL vs Dr JACK SARFATTI!

GORDON NOVEL to JACK SARFATTI: If you somehow find some sick or fixed
hack cop to process this demented Machiavellian B.S., then expect
counter criminal charges of malicious harassment.
I want this loony tunes insanity ended before COAST 2 COAST AM or
neither of you will like what I say on the show about this latest
looniness. Please have Dr. Jackal [Dr Jack Sarfatti] so confirm this as
fact to me by 5:00 P.M. today [1-16-2010]. COAST 2 COAST can be the
beginning of a very real legal war I want no part of but will have to
defend RAM/PB-EO and my investment in what is proving thanks to Majic
and this blithering idiot [Dr Jack Sarfatti] of a very demented and
dangerous business.

GORDON NOVEL to JACK SARFATTI: I was going to avoid exposing you as
being the No.1 Majic physics disinformation agent in the world and
general all round liar about UFOs/ETs and everything else you deceive
everyone on the web about, and it's why no university will ever hire you
to teach. You can bet your useless life and you have that I am going to
sue your evil ass and clean your clock financially.

GORDON NOVEL to JACK SARFATTI: After COAST 2 COAST AM, no one is ever
going to want to risk talking to you again. Didn't you ever consider why
you haven't been invited on the show, Dr. Nobody? Everyone knows except
the vast C to C audience your a genuine monomeglamaniac flame to fame
war attack dog and I am going correct that problem and "cashier" you
out of the world's physics community you ROTTEN OLD TURD.

GORDON NOVEL to JACK SARFATTI: I promise you this is one COAST 2 COAST
AM show you wont ever forget. Then I am going to totally eviscerate you
PR wise on the JERRY PIPPIN Show and the ROB SIMONE Show, and God help
you if OPRAH likes my spiel. You will need to consider committing
suicide which seems right where your fast headed anyway.

JACK SARFATTI to GORDON NOVEL: Gordon Novel is a socio-psychopath who
thinks he is above the law and once even claimed that the President of
the United States would appoint him DCI of the CIA even though he has
served time behind bars. This is clear evidence of severe delusion and
one CIA investigator described him as "irrational" ... an understatement
with his paranoid delusions of a Cabal he calls "Majic" out to thwart
his every move.

JACK SARFATTI to GORDON NOVEL: An allegedly armed delusional violent
ex-convict GORDON Dwayne NOVEL (DOB Feb 7, 1938, New Orleans LA)
allegedly now living in Santa Monica, California and his son SUR NOVEL,
allegedly flying to Los Angeles, California from Bangkok, Thailand to
aid and abet his father's violent threats, have been using the internet
to send me harassing e-mails with threats of severe bodily harm
including castration, blinding in both eyes, ripping off of ears,
breaking of bones as well as "executive action."

NOTE: "Executive Action is a term used by the CIA starting in the
early 1950s to refer to their assassination operations.

JACK SARFATTI to GORDON NOVEL:

GORDON NOVEL wrote about his son, SUR NOVEL: His abilities to maim,
injure and torture are nearly beyond belief and his opponents
scream as he breaks their arms and legs, tears off their ears, RIPS
OFF THEIR PRIVATE PARTS and then blinds them permanently. I dearly wish
you had never called him out as I am not really mad at you. SUR now
IS! I will say a sincere prayer I can persuade him to accept your
apology and pray that your not suicidially insane. He will come find you
having lunch and tear your weak old ass into to small pieces before
you even know what happened.

JACK SARFATTI to GORDON NOVEL: What's one more to you Gordon after JFK
... eh? Then you can say I got what I deserved just like you told ROBERT
COLLINS and HAL PUTHOFF that JFK got what he deserved. You evil little
man. You can't embarrass the FBI, Ron or the Company. You only disgrace
yourself. You are a sociopath. You have no shame.

JACK SARFATTI to GORDON NOVEL: You are a pathetic loser with a long
history of failed frivolous threats of Federal Civil Suits. You are not
even a competent conman. Anyone with an IQ over 90 can see through your
grifter gibberish after reading the CIA documents on you since the
mid-1960s. You're washed up. Stay in your shanty town shack in Desert
Hot Springs with your low-life roommates and stop wasting everyone's
time.

JACK SARFATTI to GORDON NOVEL: You have been making these Federal Civil
Court threats for decades e.g., Playboy Magazine. Any judge looking at
the CIA documents will throw out your case assuming you can find a
shyster to file it for you pro-bono. You can't even get your car out of
the impound. You're NOTHING.

JACK SARFATTI: Your paranoid delusions of "Majic" are ludicrous. You
will make a fool of yourself on C2C. You're a parody of Captain Queeg in
Caine Mutiny except he was a WWII hero who lost it, and you're no hero
... you're low-life street scum white trash -- a gutter snipe from the
wrong side of the tracks. ONLY FOOLS will follow you.
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http://www.openminds.tv/hillary-clintons-et-book-discovered/

HILLARY CLINTON's ET BOOK DISCOVERED!
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http://nhne-pulse.org/?page_id=2968

NEW AGE SHOCKER: BLIND WOMAN DESCRIBES FASCINATING NEAR-DEATH
EXPERIENCE! –

Vicky Blavon was born blind. In a television report (the first video)
and COAST-To-COAST interview (the next three videos), Vicky describes
what it was like to experience sight for the first time. In the
Coast-To-Coast interview, Vicky goes on to describe encounters with
Jesus, moving through hellish and heavenly realms, and being told she
couldn't stay on the other side because she was to become a mother and
teach unconditional love and forgiveness. Jesus, according to Vicky,
also told her to tell others about him and her experience: "let them
know of this day and tell them that I AM."
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1243181/Simple-eye-test-Alzheimers-catch-disease-crucial-early-stage.html

EYE TEST THAT SPOTS ALZHEIMER's 20 YEARS BEFORE SYMPTOMS: MIDDLE-AGED
COULD BE SCREENED AT ROUTINE OPTICIAN'S VISIT!
By Fiona Macrae, Daily Mail, Sunday,
January 17, 2010

A test that can detect Alzheimer's up to 20 years before any symptoms
show is being developed by British scientists. The simple and
inexpensive eye test could be part of routine examinations by high
street opticians in as little as three years, allowing those in middle
age to be screened. Dementia experts said it had the power to
revolutionise the treatment of Alzheimer's by making it possible for
drugs to be given in the earliest stages.
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http://www.takepart.com/news/2010/01/15/urgent-update-dolphins-being-killed-again-in-japan

URGENT UPDATE: DOLPHINS BEING KILLED AGAIN IN JAPAN! –
Take Part, Sunday, January 17, 2010

EDITOR¹s NOTE – Urgent Update: Bad news from the front lines. We
have confirmation that bottlenose dolphins are once again being killed
in Taiji. After rumors swirled last month, The Cove's Ric O'Barry,
director of Save Japan Dolphins, went to Taiji to investigate. The
situation was tense on the ground at the time and now recent reports
confirm the worst.

Donate to help get the word out in Japan here:

http://www.savejapandolphins.org/donate.php

Can¹t afford to donate? Sign the petition here

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/724210624

or on Facebook:

http://apps.facebook.com/causes/petitions/252#sign

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/rss/fl20100105ad.html

More about The Cove campaign:

http://www.takepart.com/thecove

PULSE on The COVE:

http://nhne-pulse.org/?page_id=449
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https://donate.doctorswithoutborders.org/SSLPage.aspx?pid=197&hbc=1&source=ADR1001E1D01

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/15/opinion/15brooks.html

THE UNDERLYING TRAGEDY FOR HAITI and OTHER COUNTRIES: IT's TIME FOR A
NEW APPROACH! –
By David Brooks, The New York Times, Sunday, January 17, 2010

On Oct. 17, 1989, a major earthquake with a magnitude of 7.0 struck the
Bay Area in Northern California. Sixty-three people were killed. This
week, a major earthquake, also measuring a magnitude of 7.0, struck near
Port-au-Prince, Haiti. The Red Cross estimates that between 45,000 and
50,000 people have died. This is not a natural disaster story. This is a
poverty story. It¹s a story about poorly constructed buildings, bad
infrastructure and terrible public services.

On Thursday, President Obama told the people of Haiti: "You will not be
forsaken; you will not be forgotten." If he is going to remain faithful
to that vow then he is going to have to use this tragedy as an occasion
to rethink our approach to global poverty. He¹s going to have to
acknowledge a few difficult truths. The first of those truths is that we
don't know how to use aid to reduce poverty. Over the past few decades,
the world has spent trillions of dollars to generate growth in the
developing world.

The countries that have not received much aid, like China, have seen
tremendous growth and tremendous poverty reductions. The countries that
have received aid, like Haiti, have NOT. In the recent anthology "What
Works in Development?," a group of economists try to sort out what we've
learned. The picture is grim. There are no policy levers that
consistently correlate to increased growth. There is nearly zero
correlation between how a developing economy does one decade and how it
does the next.

There is no consistently proven way to reduce corruption. Even improving
governing institutions doesn't seem to produce the expected results. The
chastened tone of these essays is captured by the economist Abhijit
Banerjee: "It is not clear to us that the best way to get growth is to
do growth policy of any form. Perhaps making growth happen is ultimately
beyond our control."

The SECOND hard truth is that micro-aid is vital but insufficient. Given
the failures of macrodevelopment, aid organizations often focus on
microprojects. More than 10,000 organizations perform missions of this
sort in Haiti. By some estimates, Haiti has more nongovernmental
organizations per capita than any other place on earth. They are doing
the Lord's work, especially these days, but even a blizzard of these
efforts does not seem to add up to comprehensive change.

THIRD, it is time to put the thorny issue of culture at the center of
efforts to tackle global poverty. Why is Haiti so poor? Well, it has a
history of oppression, slavery and colonialism. But so does Barbados,
and Barbados is doing pretty well. Haiti has endured ruthless dictators,
corruption and foreign invasions. But so has the Dominican Republic, and
the D.R. is in much better shape. Haiti and the Dominican Republic share
the same island and the same basic environment, yet the border between
the two societies offers one of the starkest contrasts on earth -- with
trees and progress on one side, and deforestation and poverty and early
death on the other.

As Lawrence E. Harrison explained in his book "The Central Liberal
Truth," Haiti, like most of the world's poorest nations, suffers from a
complex web of progress-resistant cultural influences. There is the
influence of the voodoo religion, which spreads the message that life is
capricious and planning futile. There are high levels of social
mistrust.

Responsibility is often not internalized. Child-rearing practices often
involve neglect in the early years and harsh retribution when kids hit 9
or 10. We're all supposed to politely respect each other's cultures. But
some cultures are more progress-resistant than others, and a horrible
tragedy was just exacerbated by one of them.

FOURTH, it's time to promote locally led paternalism. In this country,
we first tried to tackle poverty by throwing money at it, just as we did
abroad. Then we tried microcommunity efforts, just as we did abroad. But
the programs that really work involve intrusive paternalism. These
programs, like the Harlem Children's Zone and the No Excuses schools,
are led by people who figure they don't understand all the factors that
have contributed to poverty, but they don't care. They are going to
replace parts of the local culture with a highly demanding, highly
intensive culture of achievement -- involving everything from new
child-rearing practices to stricter schools to better job performance.

It's time to take that approach abroad, too. It's time to find
self-confident local leaders who will create No Excuses countercultures
in places like Haiti, surrounding people -- maybe just in a neighborhood
or a school -- with middle-class assumptions, an achievement ethos and
tough, measurable demands.

The late political scientist Samuel P. Huntington used to acknowledge
that cultural change is hard, but cultures do change after major
traumas. This earthquake is certainly a trauma. The only question is
whether the outside world continues with the same old, same old.
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Copyright 2009 / The New York Times


http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2010/01/17

[mur]

http://www.starpod.org/news/1001251.htm


Anybody know the name Chris Robinson?

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"It is worth noting that while Chris Robinson was in Tucson [in August of 2001, prior to the events of 9/11], he had a nightmare involving planes crashing into large buildings in New York City and thousands of people dying. These dreams continued when he returned to England. He recorded these dreams, drew the buildings, and told his police superiors of the dreams. A few days before 9-11, he was compelled to post a letter to the London Embassy warning of a serious threat to US safety. Chris Robinson's police supervisor has a copy of drawings made by CR prior to 9-11 of planes crashing into tall buildings in New York City. The diagram faxed to the police and verified by them is available.

The 9-11 twin-tower dream is not novel for CR. He has been having terrorist-related dreams, documented by British police and Scotland yard, for fourteen years.

In February of 2002, Chris Robinson conducted a replication and extension ten-day experiment in Washington, DC, with a member of a US secret service agency [who requested to GES that her identity and agency be kept secret]. In this experiment, Chris Robinson predicted major events that would be published each day in the news paper. The findings replicated, in accuracy and detail, the findings from the University of Arizona ten-day experiment. Though these findings are currently secret (GES has read the report), it is planned that they can be published at a later date." -- From Chris Robinson's DREAM DETECTIVE website (http://dream-detective.com/_wsn/page8.html).




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[boycotteverything]

so you're gonna make me wade waist deep through more of Gary's shit? damn you. ...and Yex too. but ok.... here i go...

[boycotteverything]

oh- and this crap, from another thread today, is right at home here too.


the future always casts its shadow on the present. it's called foreshadowing. in a sense all present occasions are nothing more than the imperfect enjoyment of future events. our sense of time is a category used to create the perception of order- so that all things don't happen at once. that paradigm is about to be transcended happily for a few and hell for the many. life is not just entertainment after all.

[Lexion]

Mur, no offense.

He wrote a book, and claimed
he "dreamt" these things.

I dream a lot of shit.

People look at Nostradamus'
quatraines and think they have
meaning.

People killed and ate their dogs,
because of Blossom.

Not really a viable source, IMO.

[Cogburn]

Nostradamus didn't call his shots like Babe Ruth, but that is exactly what is being suggested that this guy does.

[mur]

I'm not saying this guy is the shit, but some of it is clearly sticking.

It has to do what I refer to as all of us being part of God...or Gods brain.

There is part of God in all of us.

Some parts communicate with other parts better than others.

I tend to believe that none of this world is real....that we are more than what our physical existence is here.

Call me crazy

[skunk]

It has to do what I refer to as all of us being part of God...or Gods brain.

There is part of God in all of us.

Some parts communicate with other parts better than others.

I tend to believe that none of this world is real....that we are more than what our physical existence is here.

Call me crazy

I guess that makes two of us.

[mur]

Two interesting articles by Gary


http://www.starpod.org/viewpoint/1003252.htm

http://www.starpod.org/news/1003261.htm

[Chorlton]

Two interesting articles by Gary


Contradiction in terms.

Oh, by the way

Youre crazy
So's Bekkum

[boycotteverything]

Has Gray fallen into the Bill Moore 'pact with the devil' trap? Ever since his emergence on OMF I have thought so. You become what you resist. Gary, like Dan, like Moore, has been assimilated. Nuff said...

[mur]

Gay's latest is worth a read

http://www.starpod.org/Special/1004121.htm

[Lexion]

A great-granddaughter of President Dwight D. Eisenhower, Laura Magdalene Eisenhower, was born Laura Madeleine Bradshaw, before her name was changed to Laura Bradshaw Eisenhower Mahon, by her mother.

Laura Eisenhower recently came forward as a 'whistleblower' concerning an alleged secret Mars colony mission, and restored her original middle name from Madeleine to Magdalene.

:facepalm:

[mur]

Well that's not the part that interested me...Twin Peaks

[Lexion]

Twin Peaks was a TV show.

[mur]

No kidding...that's what Gary wrote about

[Lexion]

Writing about a TV show ?

Really ?

[mur]

Yep

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[mur]

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[Yex]

Garys latest,

Is this the next part of the saga we have been waiting for?

Serpo, Drones, Theilmann, and now Bigelow?


http://starpod.org/news/1006111.htm


Billionaire Aerospace Entrepreneur tells NY Times about killer UFOs
"People have been killed. People have been hurt. It’s more than observational kind of data."

(STARpod.org) -- In the world where high paranormal strangeness meets the Intelligence Community, it's called the CORE STORY: a tale of extraterrestrial contact with the US government.
Perhaps no one in the private sector knows more about the CORE STORY than Robert Bigelow, the founder of Bigelow Aerospace.


In a recent article by the New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/08/science/space/08space.html), Bigelow is quoted about the dangers of extraterrestrial contact.
"I’ve been a researcher and student of UFO’s for many, many years,” Mr. Bigelow said. “Anybody that does research, if people bother to do quality research, come away absolutely convinced. You don’t have to have personal encounters...People have been killed. People have been hurt. It’s more than observational kind of data."
Bigelow's revelation may have slipped by NY Times writer Kenneth Chang, but grabbed the attention of Billy Cox, who wrote in the Herald Tribune (http://devoid.blogs.heraldtribune.com/10965/shrugging-off-bigelows-killer-ufos/?tc=ar):
"Whoa, yo, time out! Holy moley, Mr. Chang -- the emerging top prospective client for post-NASA rockets just said people have been killed and injured by UFOs. And the dude bases it on 'more than observational data.'"..............

Continued at above link

Cheers,

Yex

[mur]

I like Gary...but the story is way short of details...it is mostly fluff.

We deserve better and more

[BE2]

Garys latest,

Is this the next part of the saga we have been waiting for?

Serpo, Drones, Theilmann, and now Bigelow?


http://starpod.org/news/1006111.htm


Billionaire Aerospace Entrepreneur tells NY Times about killer UFOs
"People have been killed. People have been hurt. It’s more than observational kind of data."

(STARpod.org) -- In the world where high paranormal strangeness meets the Intelligence Community, it's called the CORE STORY: a tale of extraterrestrial contact with the US government.
Perhaps no one in the private sector knows more about the CORE STORY than Robert Bigelow, the founder of Bigelow Aerospace.


In a recent article by the New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/08/science/space/08space.html), Bigelow is quoted about the dangers of extraterrestrial contact.
"I’ve been a researcher and student of UFO’s for many, many years,” Mr. Bigelow said. “Anybody that does research, if people bother to do quality research, come away absolutely convinced. You don’t have to have personal encounters...People have been killed. People have been hurt. It’s more than observational kind of data."
Bigelow's revelation may have slipped by NY Times writer Kenneth Chang, but grabbed the attention of Billy Cox, who wrote in the Herald Tribune (http://devoid.blogs.heraldtribune.com/10965/shrugging-off-bigelows-killer-ufos/?tc=ar):
"Whoa, yo, time out! Holy moley, Mr. Chang -- the emerging top prospective client for post-NASA rockets just said people have been killed and injured by UFOs. And the dude bases it on 'more than observational data.'"..............

Continued at above link

Cheers,

YexMy hat's off to Gary. Damn he's one persistent bastard and this is a great read! The story is a big one and it's good to see that the can of worms is still a matter of a larger, more significant, analysis than 'who photoshopped Richard's name tag?' Gary has taken his share of hits but he's the energizer bunny of the weird.

[Yex]

Jack Sarfatti chimes in

06/12/2010 11:40 AM CDT
(STARpod.org) -- It sounds like a Hollywood plot for a 21st century remake of Earth versus the Flying Saucers.
San Francisco physicist Dr. Jack Sarfatti claims to have heard the rumor while visiting London in 2004, while in the company of Nick Cook, the well known aerospace journalist from the private intelligence publisher Janes Information Group.
"I was asked by the 'CIA' not to pursue the story in 2004, but now Bigelow has (allegedly, it seems) opened Pandora's Box on the story."
Sarfatti came forward with the rumor following a remark made by billionaire space maven Bob Bigelow to the New York Times about the dangers of UFOs:
"People have been killed. People have been hurt. It’s more than observational kind of data."
The New York Times had interviewed Bigelow about his recent efforts to build a private space station. In the article, Bigelow was quoted about the lethality of the UFO phenomena, but the basis for Bigelow's statement was not pursued.
According to Sarfatti, the rumor of a battle between Bob Bigelow's employees and otherworldly beings was provided by a mysterious French woman, who was accompanied by a body guard carrying a mystery briefcase allegedly containing "some kind of 'psychotronic' weapon based on alien ET technology."
Sarfatti says the woman claimed to be part of a semi-secret Paris UFO group, and the woman attributed the story to Jacques Vallee, the internationally famous researcher who inspired the French UFO researcher Claude Lacombe in Steven Spielberg's classic UFO film Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
Sarfatti quickly added, "Allegedly Jacques Vallee denies the story, but now Bob Bigelow seems to have gone public with it -- albeit without the details."
Apparently Sarfatti, who in recent years has consulted to Dr. Ron Pandolfi (for the Office of the Director of National Intelligence) on speculative ideas related to reverse engineering hypothetical extraterrestrial technologies, also knows more of this rumor than he is willing to make public.
"I am not divulging details only the general nature of the remarks. In any case Nick Cook heard them also."
In the 1990s, Bob Bigelow funded UFO investigations under a group he founded called the National Institute of Discovery Sciences, also known as NIDS.
Among the many investigations conducted by NIDS was the mysterious case of the so-called Bigelow Skinwalker Ranch in a remote region of Utah, where a variety of paranormal phenomena had been reported.
One experience made public by former NIDS personnel was the report of a nearly invisible being emerging from a tunnel that appeared to float in thin air, which led to speculation of an opening from another world -- a star gate -- built from a spacetime wormhole.
According to Sarfatti's account, the French woman "claimed an actual gun battle at Bigelow Ranch with Bob's paramilitary against aliens out of the wormhole with dead and wounded humans. She was very convincing and Nick Cook heard the strange tale at his private London Club with me and another witness. I debriefed Kit Green and Ron Pandolfi soon after and the story caused a big stir."
Pandolfi and Green are well known for their interest in unusual phenomena and their history of employment with the CIA.
Given the many reports of pilots who have lost their lives pursuing UFOs beyond the safe operating range of their aircraft, Bigelow's comments to the New York Times may have a more mundane explanation.
Until Mr. Bigelow comes forward with a more detailed explanation for his comments about lethal UFO encounters, Sarfatti's expose' of the rumor will only further inflame allegations of a cover-up among the fringe elements of the UFO community.

http://starpod.org/news/1006121.htm