Interesting conversation for the true UFO freaks among us

[boycotteverything]

This discussion over at OM was brought to my attention by Yex in a PM today. It has to do with Dan Smith's claim to have witnessed an alien cadaver. Input from Jake, Dan, Gary Bekkum, and our own Yex and Murnut. I think Caryn Anscomb may emerge from retirement to add her take as well. So if you're in the mood for a dive into the dumpster of the weird- check it out. http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=dansmithsom&action=display&thread=5676&page=2#186500

[Yex]

This discussion over at OM was brought to my attention by Yex in a PM today. It has to do with Dan Smith's claim to have witnessed an alien cadaver. Input from Jake, Dan, Gary Bekkum, and our own Yex and Murnut. I think Caryn Anscomb may emerge from retirement to add her take as well. So if you're in the mood for a dive into the dumpster of the weird- check it out. http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=dansmithsom&action=display&thread=5676&page=2#186500

quote from the surreal scene described below-

One lunch hour, in the downstairs lab, the doctor in charge, told Dave and me that he wanted to show us a video to prepare us for having to work inside the surgical area. It was a 30 min color video of someone who had tried to commit suicide by shooting themselves in the face with a shotgun. Only the mouth was visible in what had once been his face. The surgeons were heard discussing the fellow’s plight, off-screen. I was grossed-out, but not sufficiently so, that I could not finish my sandwich. I got the impression that guy remained more or less conscious.

Now we come to the day in question…….

I had been told that I would be introduced to the surgical area, the day before. I showed up a few minutes late, and Dave was not there. Instead was an asian fellow, heavily accented, whom I had not seen before. He instructed me to strip-down, before putting on the surgical gown. I balked at removing my shorts, and he became agitated. Since there was no scrubbing involved, I could not imagine the point of removing my shorts. Reluctantly he acquiesced, and we proceeded into the 'surgical' area.

It was not like any surgical area that had seen or imagined. There were some glass-walled cubicles. Hanging from the ceiling, by their four appendages, in two of the cubicles were two ‘bodies’. Neither head was visible. I stood there staring at this scene for two or three minutes. I got the distinct impression that the four ‘surgeons’ in the nearest cubicle were quite bored. They appeared to be chatting to one another. There was no one in the second cubicle. There did not appear to be any skin, just brown [sic] exposed flesh, no blood. Like the face in video, but the wrong color.

I found the whole scene, and the context of its lengthy prelude, to be most unsettling. I went back out to where I found Dave. He was fiddling with the instruments. I just stood watching, feeling dumbfounded, and saying nothing. He suggested that I leave, and I readily complied.

The next morning I called the doctor who had shown us the video. I was already suspecting that this was one of those trick psychology experiments where the tester turns out to be the testee. I demanded an explanation for what I had witnessed. He said he would check and call me back. He soon called me back……

There had been a motorcycle accident with two victims. They were undergoing an emergency ‘filleting’ [sic!] procedure, in order to relieve excess blood pressure. This ‘explanation’ just made me angry. Only now have I had the gumption to look up that word, and find it only being applied to fish. If someone would care to investigate further, be my guest.
.................................................. .................................................. .............................................

Filleting?

incident starts from here with Jakes "Outing" of Dans claim

http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=dansmithsom&action=display&thread=5677&page=26#186406

[boycotteverything]

From HM on this matter-

Chorlton wrote:
The whole thing seems to me, to be written by someone who has learned a lot of words but is yet to understand the meanings, but puts them down anyway as he thinks they make him look intelligent.

He Failed. But its Oh so typical, Golly Gosh OM tripe.

That seems to be the way with many sites. Just noise. They tend to devolve into know-nothing debating societies. There's no real search for clarity, just the opposite. It's all about obfuscation and unearned egoism. What's Dan's real intent? To convince his little audience of the validity of his view of eschatology? To me- that's religion- pure and simple.

[boycotteverything]

ncident starts from here with Jake's "Outing" of Dan's claim

http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=dansmithsom&action=display&thread=5677&page=26#186406 It's got to be mentioned, on the other hand, that Jake is even a bigger moron than Dan. Just noise.

[Yex]

ncident starts from here with Jake's "Outing" of Dan's claim

http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=dansmithsom&action=display&thread=5677&page=26#186406 It's got to mentioned, on the other hand, that Jake is even a bigger moron than Dan. Just noise.


I would in no way consider Dan a "Moron" surely his Son of God escapade provide plausible deniability for Ron & Co (aviary/aquarium, whatever)

Dan is certainly well connected, and it seems to me this is all about speeding up public disclosure of the Core Story. hence Gary Bekkums recent post-

"It is worth noting the same "three visitors tale" was confirmed by CoR25 to Dan and from Richard Helms, according to unconfirmed email messages suggestive of a "conspiracy of three" to push government disclosure of EBEs."

This I believe is the crux of the matter

[boycotteverything]

The 'core story' is Roswell. We don't need Dan Smith and his coterie of clowns to illuminate us on this. These characters have done exactly zero to shed any light on disclosure. They have, on the other hand, spread lies and disinformation among the credulous douchebags at RU, ATS and OM. Serpo? That was a Kit Green and Rick Doty production, no? I really don't understand why Gary Bekkum would allow himself to get tangled up with these snake oil guys. But it's his call. No truth will ever emerge from Green, Smith, Doty, Puthoff and Pandolfi. And you can throw that neo-fascist assbite, Jack Sarfatti, into that strange mix as well.

Come on, Yex- gimme a break.

[Yex]

were there any live ebes from Roswell? surely thats the continuation of the core story that did indeed begin there, you reckon it began and ended in `47?

[boycotteverything]

No of course not. The ETs were alerted to our existence by the atomic blasts in 1945. They are here to stay. You'll learn nothing of this from those poseurs.

[Yex]

"No truth will ever emerge from Green, Smith, Doty, Puthoff and Pandolfi. And you can throw that neo-fascist assbite, Jack Sarfatti, into that strange mix as well."

Thats the problem, isn`t it, but there are elements of truth in a lot of the stories, thats why its called disINFORMATION

What do you reckon to other Avian type characters, such as Collins, Maccabee, Kellerstrass, Alexander? are they all as bad as one another? Bob Collins has always seemed honest to me, for example

[Lexion]

Bob Collins......

Yeah.... (http://www.theufochronicles.com/2009/04/operation-bird-droppings.html)

Bunch of has-beens saying
shit with zero evidence.

Anyone ever see their DD-214 ?

Thought not.

Yeah.....

Lex

[boycotteverything]

in spite of it all i like captain bob. hahahaha

[Lexion]

BE......n/m.....

If you believe in aliens
visiting us, that's fine.

Belief does not equal proof.

Crackpots like those guys do
not help the "disclosure" that
we maintain and fly these craft.

Regards,
Lex

[boycotteverything]

Belief does not equal proof.Now that's an interesting proposition. There's a shit pot of proof. Thousands of eyewitnesses, photographs, traces- you name it. Now of course you reject that body of proof. I don't. The question is- what came first, the belief or the evidence? To my mind it's the evidence.

[Lexion]

Belief came first.

Man concocted the "evidence"
to fit their belief.

Until I meet an EBE, we'll
have to disagree.

Regards,
Lex

[GeneralStriker]

All that aside- this continues over yonder. http://www.hoaxmasters.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=123&p=432#p432

And don't forget this:

http://www.mufon.com/images/2009symposium-banner.jpg
Be there or be square

Read the latest from George Filer: http://www.nationalufocenter.com/

http://www.nationalufocenter.com/artman/uploads/cal_10jan09_sandeigo.jpg
San Diego- 1/10/9

[Yex]

Belief came first.

Man concocted the "evidence"
to fit their belief.

Until I meet an EBE, we'll
have to disagree.

Regards,
Lex



http://www.ufoconspiracy.com/images/3_second_eben_full_view.gif


Pleased to meet you Lex

[boycotteverything]

Eye witness testimony can sentence a man to death. But when it comes to ufology such testimony is dismissed as inconsequential. Why might that be? Is it because the Lonnie Zamoras and Betty Hills of this world are all assumed to be liars and mental defectives? The Condon solution. Or is it because we haven't the courage to stray from accepted reality? Is it a mortal weakness that lures us to side with the debunkers who ratify our fears of the unknown? Dr. John Mack, Stan Friedman, Dr. Dave Jacobs, Howard Blum, President Jimmy Carter, Dr. Allen Hynek, Dr. Edgar Mitchell... all liars and knaves out to make a quick buck? It now requires more than an arrogant and gratuitous dismissal to make your case, Lex.

[Lexion]

The Hills and Zamoras of the world
certainly believe they experienced
something.

Did they ? I have no idea. I wasn't
there.

If their reality allows for what they
experienced to have been caused
by aliens, so be it.

My reality, as of this writing doesn't
allow for aliens to be visiting us.

Those that write books and speak at
conventions and such have an agenda.
Money. Plain and simple.

In my reality, that strips any credibility
they may have had.

Go ahead and flame me, or make fun
of me. Laugh in my face. It's cool.

I have my beliefs, and I'm not afraid
to share them.

One thing I won't do is attempt to
force them on others.

I will however enjoy a healthy debate.

About eyewitness testimony alone sen-
tencing someone to death, I've never
heard of a case like that.

Yes, eyewitness testimony has placed
people behind bars.

Thing is, there was a crime. An event
that is tangible. That doesn't exist in
this case.

Respectfully,
Lex

[boycotteverything]

Did they ? I have no idea. I wasn't
there.

Yes, eyewitness testimony has placed
people behind bars.

Thing is, there was a crime. An event
that is tangible.


The contradiction between these two statements is exactly the dismissive attitude towards UFO evidence that I'm alluding to. You were present for neither event, the crime or the sighting, and you credit the testimony of one while discrediting the testimony concerning the other. Such a stance betrays prejudgment. Is it the 'giggle factor?'

I will however enjoy a healthy debate.I'd rather have an honest one.

[boycotteverything]

Those that write books and speak at
conventions and such have an agenda.
Money. Plain and simple.Should we discount your work as a mechanic because you do it for money? We all have to eat.

[mojo]

"i'm a cosmic Ted spaced out of my head".

z]C9EL7CQRQJIz]

[WarlordZeroOne]

I will make just one comment on UFO's and aliens.YES they both exist and god help us if they ever get angry at us on this small ball of ours. :bom:

[mur]

It's got to be mentioned, on the other hand, that Jake is even a bigger moron than Dan. Just noise.


Jake resigned as co-admin today


Nice to see you Toon

[boycotteverything]

it only matters if bren and ivo follow the douchebag out the door. good to see you, too, bro.

[skunk]

lol

http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=5801&page=2#187287

Nice yex

[offsite:nfopyofa]You aren`t being forced out because of your Dan Cadaver outing are you?[/offsite:nfopyofa]

[Cogburn]

All that aside- this continues over yonder. http://www.hoaxmasters.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=123&p=432#p432

And don't forget this:

http://www.mufon.com/images/2009symposium-banner.jpg
Be there or be square

Read the latest from George Filer: http://www.nationalufocenter.com/

http://www.nationalufocenter.com/artman/uploads/cal_10jan09_sandeigo.jpg
San Diego- 1/10/9
ROFL the fucking shadows are at the wrong angle on the object as opposed to the ground... not to mention the UFO is heavily pixelated on it's edges in comparison to the rest of the image.

Nice bit of bullshit ya found there.

No proof of aliens exists anywhere, period. The only thing we have is mathematical probability.

Until such evidence is produced and verified as being of non-terrestrial origin, Earth visitation by any form of extra-terrestrial is simple fantasy at the minimum and a New Age religion at the maximum.

UFOlogists might make a little more headway if they simply ignored "what if" and focused purely on "what is".

[hp]

UFOlogists might make a little more headway if they simply ignored "what if" and focused purely on "what is".

The lack of 'what is' might be the reason that many reference the 'what if' to try to create the 'what is' to for others the evaluate in the hope it will be believed as the true 'what is'.

[skunk]

We need to stop looking "out there" (space) and start looking closer to home (ie meditate).

[boycotteverything]

Nice bit of bullshit ya found there.I didn't find it- George Filer did. He makes no claims for its validity.

[Cogburn]

Then I judge George Filer either to be an idiot or part of the problem.

This isn't UFO research... it's taking every bit of nonsense that someone sends you and posting it on your website to drive clicks.

Where have I heard something similar...

[boycotteverything]

George is neither an idiot nor a researcher. He's simply an advocate for open mindedness towards the UFO phenomenon. He cares not about 'clicks.' In a sense he's a modern version of CH Fort- reporting on the anomalous and the 'damned.' Unlike you, he has never claimed to be an expert in all things exquisitely mysterious.

[Cogburn]

George is neither an idiot nor a researcher. He's simply an advocate for open mindedness towards the UFO phenomenon. He cares not about 'clicks.' In a sense he's a modern version of CH Fort- reporting on the anomalous and the 'damned.' Unlike you, he has never claimed to be an expert in all things exquisitely mysterious.
If that's the case, CH Fort is crying somewhere.

I've never claimed expertise, I've just invested as much time into researching certain topics as you seem to have invested playing the part of the creepy old guy at Wobbly meetings.

[boycotteverything]

I judge George Filer... to be an idiot... .

I've never claimed expertise

Fuck off, sophomore.

[Cogburn]

I suppose your self-proclaimed moniker of "hoaxmaster" precludes you from rendering an opinion of a person who propagates obvious fake UFO photos.

[boycotteverything]

who knows what's fake? only lamont cranston knows for sure. but i do know that you're a pseudo-intellectual poseur.

[Cogburn]

who knows what's fake? only lamont cranston knows for sure. but i do know that you're a pseudo-intellectual poseur.
Perhaps I am all that and more, but distinctly less of a pseudo-intellectual poseur than your UFOlogy heroes.

How many times have I said that I was wrong in the face of new evidence and how many times have your icons done so? You've corrected me on a few occasions, yourself.

You posted bullshit, you got called on it. Get over yourself.

http://i43.tinypic.com/2hguzus.jpg

[boycotteverything]

How many times have I said that I was wrongNone, that I'm aware of. You're obviously 'all knowing'- a quality here-to-for reserved for god. Thank ya jesussss!

[skunk]

You've got to be a complete retard to think that picture is authentic.

[mur]

it only matters if bren and ivo follow the douchebag out the door. good to see you, too, bro.


Hard to disagree with that today....my third banning.

I'm done there forever.

[boycotteverything]

shit- nothing is forever. i was banned there at least 20 times! hahahaha

[boycotteverything]

You've got to be a complete retard to think that picture is authentic.No judgments made by me, bro. But a 'complete retard'? You must know something important! Please share.

[boycotteverything]

it only matters if bren and ivo follow the douchebag out the door. good to see you, too, bro.


Hard to disagree with that today....my third banning.

I'm done there forever.Have you noticed that your friend, Leslie Kean, is getting some notice here? Lala has introduced her.

[Yex]

it only matters if bren and ivo follow the douchebag out the door. good to see you, too, bro.

Hey Mur, Is this what you were banned for?

Hi Cy,

Nice attempt at rehabilitation.

You've been sold on the story since day one.

You haven't asked one skeptical question.

Basically you been the apologist cheerleader.

You even guessed(?) correctly that the fairy tale "Controllers" were silicon based.

How luckily can you get?

It's clear to me and probably most of the readers, just whose butt you're kissing.

You've painted a huge sign for all the "insiders" to see that the EXO-Apologist negotiator is now open for biz.


Step right up....Cy saves the day....with the secret info that she and the insiders can't tell us for our own good.

Bleep them and Bleep that

You have chosen the wrong side Cy.

The people of the world don't need the "insiders"

They need us

This UN story is probably 99% BS

Even Salla doesn't believe most of it, (and that says a lot) .....and he met with "A"

You can't build bridges built on BS.

Spin it anyway you like, it still smells

You want to mediate Cy?

Tell your friends this.....Tell the truth, and back it up. No more anonymous BS secret releases...they can stand up like men with their names.

It's time to end the mistakes of the past, one might say.

I doubt this will occur....my opinion is they know far less than you believe Cy....and most men don't want their names associated with BS or BS releases.


You will make a post saying what your excuse du jour is for them.

Cy is open for biz folks

hardly banworthy, I would`ve thought, just your opinion, isn`t that what a discussion forum is all about?


Yex

[Cogburn]

Don't rock the boat, baby.

Calling for proof! Facts! Names!

What the hell kind of UFOlogist are you!??!?!?!

[Eyeforalie]

That was not an interesting conversation BE. Work on your thread labels please. You wasted my time.

The picture is a fake...Like all the others. Its not hard...If youd like I could whip up a few for you later to throw up on HM. I can even copyright them to insure the illusion of supposed authenticity.

Then we can make a club and get some flashing .gif banners and your members can sign up for a small donation of $19.95 (to keep the "film" in my camera of course)

Oh yea...Dont forget to resize the photos to 300x600 px. We dont want them getting the high res

18MP HD ORIGINALS THAT LOOK LIKE SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!

Occam's razor you fuckin fool.

[boycotteverything]

The interesting conversation is cited in the OP.


This discussion over at OM was brought to my attention by Yex in a PM today. It has to do with Dan Smith's claim to have witnessed an alien cadaver. Input from Jake, Dan, Gary Bekkum, and our own Yex and Murnut. I think Caryn Anscomb may emerge from retirement to add her take as well. So if you're in the mood for a dive into the dumpster of the weird- check it out. http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=dansmithsom&action=display&thread=5676&page=2#186500

The picture you're referring to was posted by George Filer. It may be fake, most are. Take it up with him. He's always open to discussion. And his work is always gratis.

[boycotteverything]

Hi Cy,

Nice attempt at rehabilitation.Who the hell is Cy?

[boycotteverything]

lol

http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=5801&page=2#187287

Nice yex

[offsite:20o3tpc4]You aren`t being forced out because of your Dan Cadaver outing are you?[/offsite:20o3tpc4]hahahahaha! Skunkie nailed it!

[mur]

it only matters if bren and ivo follow the douchebag out the door. good to see you, too, bro.

Hey Mur, Is this what you were banned for?

Hi Cy,

Nice attempt at rehabilitation.

You've been sold on the story since day one.

You haven't asked one skeptical question.

Basically you been the apologist cheerleader.

You even guessed(?) correctly that the fairy tale "Controllers" were silicon based.

How luckily can you get?

It's clear to me and probably most of the readers, just whose butt you're kissing.

You've painted a huge sign for all the "insiders" to see that the EXO-Apologist negotiator is now open for biz.


Step right up....Cy saves the day....with the secret info that she and the insiders can't tell us for our own good.

Bleep them and Bleep that

You have chosen the wrong side Cy.

The people of the world don't need the "insiders"

They need us

This UN story is probably 99% BS

Even Salla doesn't believe most of it, (and that says a lot) .....and he met with "A"

You can't build bridges built on BS.

Spin it anyway you like, it still smells

You want to mediate Cy?

Tell your friends this.....Tell the truth, and back it up. No more anonymous BS secret releases...they can stand up like men with their names.

It's time to end the mistakes of the past, one might say.

I doubt this will occur....my opinion is they know far less than you believe Cy....and most men don't want their names associated with BS or BS releases.


You will make a post saying what your excuse du jour is for them.

Cy is open for biz folks

hardly banworthy, I would`ve thought, just your opinion, isn`t that what a discussion forum is all about?


Yex



Yes...this is in fact the post.

Fuck em!

[mur]

it only matters if bren and ivo follow the douchebag out the door. good to see you, too, bro.


Hard to disagree with that today....my third banning.

I'm done there forever.Have you noticed that your friend, Leslie Kean, is getting some notice here? Lala has introduced her.


Leslie is here?

Your joking

[mur]

Hi Cy,

Nice attempt at rehabilitation.

Who the hell is Cy?


Exo wannabe

Fucking insane

See for yourself...


http://www.ufodigest.com/news/0609/group-coherency.php


It's Exo-madness

[mur]

Notice - Your OMF Membership has been revoked.

Following careful consideration I have now revoked your membership at Open Minds Forum under the terms you agreed to when you joined. Specifics: Your online behaviour is causing too many Moderator/Management interventions.

I have attached your post http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=unitednations&action=display&thread=4806&page=128#187718
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Bren Burton / Admin - www.OpenMindsForum.com (http://www.OpenMindsForum.com)

[boycotteverything]

Leslie is here?

Your jokingNo. hahaha Lala pasted a great essay by her in the crop circle thread.
http://www.amkon.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=7008&start=100

[mur]

Testing and Attending to Group Coherency In Exopolitical Mediation


Are you fucking kidding me?


Total Garbage


The Exo's are trying to take over...but they think they are so smart....they are being fucking used.

[boycotteverything]

Bunch of freaks- Salla, Webre and their butt boy Billy Meier. Hard to believe they've co-opted Ed Mitchell. C'est la vie.

[skunk]

If you show disrespect here, more often than not you'll get a smite not a ban.

[mur]

I think I'll stick around here

[Cogburn]

Go fuck yourselves.

[Yex]

Notice - Your OMF Membership has been revoked.

Following careful consideration I have now revoked your membership at Open Minds Forum under the terms you agreed to when you joined. Specifics: Your online behaviour is causing too many Moderator/Management interventions.

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Bren Burton / Admin - www.OpenMindsForum.com (http://www.OpenMindsForum.com)

Seems to me Open minds is turning into ATS

And Bren & Mods into SkepticOverlord & Springer

:projectile:

[KIWI]

I will make just one comment on UFO's and aliens.YES they both exist and god help us if they ever get angry at us on this small ball of ours. :bom:

c'mon GW0, spill ya guts, what have YOU seen, :shock: ..... :D

[mur]

Notice - Your OMF Membership has been revoked.

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I have attached your post http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=unitednations&action=display&thread=4806&page=128#187718
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Bren Burton / Admin - www.OpenMindsForum.com (http://www.OpenMindsForum.com)

Seems to me Open minds is turning into ATS

And Bren & Mods into SkepticOverlord & Springer

:projectile:


I totally agree

Fuck em

[Yex]

Anyway, if anyone actually fucking read the initial post, any insights into Dan Smiths (At the "Fuck em forum" ) post ref his experience at the University of Maryland Hospital?

Was the video he was shown a patient with his face blown off by a shotgun or an alien?

Were the cadavers hanging from the ceiling motorcycle accident victims being prepared for that medieval medical treatment (like bleeding or leeches) known as the "Filleting" or genuine ebe cadavers, or indeed movie props?

and finally was this a psych-test or a genuine induction? Ron appeared to be involved, but it sounds to me more in the realms of Dr Kit "Richard Kennett" Green

or is it all complete bullshit?

[boycotteverything]

your last thought is probably closest to the truth- 'all complete bullshit.'

[mur]

your last thought is probably closest to the truth- 'all complete bullshit.'

Dan is not a liar...it may be debated whether or not he is sane, but bullshiter?

I don't think so

[Yex]

It seems like an honest recollection from Dan, he genuinely doesn`t know what he saw and seems puzzled by the episode, he was quite shaken up by it (You cynical fucker you B.E. :) )

[Cogburn]

Awfully convenient that such a setup, were the story to be believed, would be revealed to a person already well entrenched in the UFOlogy community.

It's the pseudo-religious, pseudo-scientific explanation of reality that sends up the warning flag on Dan. There's more scientific support behind Scientology than there is the universe that Dan creates.

If it was indeed real, it was indeed an induction.... into what is the question.

[boycotteverything]

Dan is not a liarhahah. i think Dan is a psychopath. given that he's the messiah all means are allowed. even inventions from whole cloth.

[mojo]

Notice - Your OMF Membership has been revoked.

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Bren Burton / Admin - www.OpenMindsForum.com (http://www.OpenMindsForum.com)

Seems to me Open minds is turning into ATS

And Bren & Mods into SkepticOverlord & Springer

:projectile:


I totally agree

Fuck em

if this is what you were banned for then i have to agree.

[offsite:36ch4g6n]Hi Cy,

Nice attempt at rehabilitation.

You've been sold on the story since day one.

You haven't asked one skeptical question.

Basically you been the apologist cheerleader.

You even guessed(?) correctly that the fairy tale "Controllers" were silicon based.

How luckily can you get?

It's clear to me and probably most of the readers, just whose butt you're kissing.

You've painted a huge sign for all the "insiders" to see that the EXO-Apologist negotiator is now open for biz.


Step right up....Cy saves the day....with the secret info that she and the insiders can't tell us for our own good.

Bleep them and Bleep that

You have chosen the wrong side Cy.

The people of the world don't need the "insiders"

They need us

This UN story is probably 99% BS

Even Salla doesn't believe most of it, (and that says a lot) .....and he met with "A"

You can't build bridges built on BS.

Spin it anyway you like, it still smells

You want to mediate Cy?

Tell your friends this.....Tell the truth, and back it up. No more anonymous BS secret releases...they can stand up like men with their names.

It's time to end the mistakes of the past, one might say.

I doubt this will occur....my opinion is they know far less than you believe Cy....and most men don't want their names associated with BS or BS releases.


You will make a post saying what your excuse du jour is for them.[/offsite:36ch4g6n]

in fact i'd say they face the prospect of becoming worse that ats. your above post, if that is the post that had your membership revoked would not have gotten you banned from ats, maybe a warning.
it amazes me that these forums disallow members from speaking/communicating in a manner that is regularly used in the RW. is it little wonder that nothing "of any real worth" is revealed on internet forums as long as supposed "sources" and "those in the know" are allowed protections questioning their status over and above those of "normal" members.
i used to regularly lurk and read at OM but during the past few months have very rarely bothered, it has turned into a fraternity of back scratchers, nothing of any real value will ever be disclosed or discovered in such an environment.

[mur]

That is the one.

I had almost 8000 posts there

[Cogburn]

in fact i'd say they face the prospect of becoming worse that ats. your above post, if that is the post that had your membership revoked would not have gotten you banned from ats, maybe a warning.
it amazes me that these forums disallow members from speaking/communicating in a manner that is regularly used in the RW. is it little wonder that nothing "of any real worth" is revealed on internet forums as long as supposed "sources" and "those in the know" are allowed protections questioning their status over and above those of "normal" members.
i used to regularly lurk and read at OM but during the past few months have very rarely bothered, it has turned into a fraternity of back scratchers, nothing of any real value will ever be disclosed or discovered in such an environment.
But why do such sites have such draconian censorship rules?

So the wackos that originate such theories will come to their site and post, thereby driving clicks from average people who are eager to interact with such luminaries... Seen John Lear or Mike Singh around here lately?

Good lord forbid if the free-thinking intelligences amongst us were able to get to collaborate to investigate the bullshit that has been thrown at us for the past 20 years. Book sales might drop, websites would shut down and the conspiracy theory landscape would have nary a burble of discussion.

People might be forced to go outside and actually participate in changing the world into a place they might like to live...

[KIWI]

Cog wrote

Awfully convenient that such a setup, were the story to be believed, would be revealed to a person already well entrenched in the UFOlogy community.


using that comment cog purely as an example, who is the "right" type to reveal something to ?...........there must be hundreds, if not thousands, of this type of " high- strange-ness" event, and the people invloved include, politicians, high ranking military personnel, police officers, scientists...etc , the event in question is typical of this sort of thing, nothing tangible to poke and prod at,
short of bringing back a " Dalek liver" its almost impossible to get anywhere with this type of event

set " Phasers " to " light-giggle" :alien:

[mojo]

But why do such sites have such draconian censorship rules?



I've no idea......i think it is primarily fear.
Fear of not being in complete control, fear of making tough decisions, fear of upsetting a "source" or "someone with some level of fame", choosing instead to hero worship, fear of losing revenue.
Look at these 2 models in regards to CT forums, and neither is capable of ever revealing anything of substance imo.
GLP and ATS, the former is just a clusterfuck and the latter is a kindergarten full of nanny's.
GLP, if anything of a credible nature were leaked it would get lost amongst the detritus, anything of substance released via ATS would face the prospect of being immediately censored or removed if it was thought that it might in anyway affect their revenue or cause them to become the focus of "agencies".
And i don't for a minute suggest that this forum will ever "reveal" anything of any real substance, however i think the odds of us doing so are better than GLP or ATS, merely by the fact that it would be submitted to rigorous testing, and if i were someone within the government that wanted to "disclose" something i sure as hell wouldn't go to one of the "biggest" CT forums on the net, you might as well tell your employer. Unless of course your only motive is to release Disinformation, then a site like ATS or GLP fits the bill perfectly.
And perhaps OM is heading in that direction too, i mean c'mon, i can't seriously believe anyone could be banned for the post murnut made, lol.

OM seems to me to have generated a culture amongst the staff of fearing that their "sources" that post on their forum might leave if placed under intense scrutiny, hardly an environment that will ever lead to any ground breaking news.

[mur]

I was banned for my opinion, and I was the main thorn is the side of their secret source.

Bren removed that post and replaced it with this.....




Admin notice: This post has been removed as it was personal attack.

[boycotteverything]

Admin notice: Opinions will no-longer be allowed.

[skunk]

It was less of an opinion and more of a "just how it is" moment.

[boycotteverything]

Admin notice: 'just how it is moments' will no-longer be allowed.

[mur]

Admin notice: 'just how it is moments' will no-longer be allowed.


This is an response to an email I received......

The ufo world is insane...on one hand Jake points to the TC group as some kind of possible validation what source "A" is saying....here

http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=unitednations&action=display&thread=4806&page=130#188349

What Jake forgets is that the TC group called "A" counterintelligence as well as two other members here.....

http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=othernonserpodisclosures&action=display&thread=1341&page=2#137512

Is it really prudent to have it both ways?

Does it make any sense?

Unfortunately, in the ufo world, in the OM world, anything is possible, facts, logic and questions don't matter....anything is possible and anything can be true if they want it to be true.

Why are they desperately trying to rehab "A"?

Improve their web traffic maybe?

Do you really think I deserved a life time ban from OM or was I the sacrificial lamb thrown to "A" as a bone?

Or maybe, I was costing them traffic since obviously I am being blamed on "A"'s retreat.

In fact the retreat was predicted long ago.

It is really embarrassing to me that no one else had the guts to call Exo-mediation Garbage.

The Exo's have an agenda, they are being manipulated by others, these others are going to use the Exo's at some point to push more bullshit.

Now you might think I'm nuts, but the OM Thought police are really bordering on cult like behavior.

Just the fact that no one else spoke out against Exo mediation, means that the cult brain washing has already begun....and is effective

It is even now more reinforced since the one who did speak out was given a life time ban.

You must fight against assimilation, you must fight the Borg.

Okay, now I sound crazy...hehe.

I think I will post this at Amkon.net

Andy

[boycotteverything]

Now you might think I'm nuts, but the OM Thought police are really bordering on cult like behavior.They've been there for years. In fact I was banned there a few times for insisting on that very point- as was Shawnna. That's how we all ended up at RU- before they followed down the same cult path. And subsuming it all was-- Serpo.

[mur]

Now you might think I'm nuts, but the OM Thought police are really bordering on cult like behavior.They've been there for years. In fact I was banned there a few times for insisting on that very point- as was Shawnna. That's how we all ended up at RU- before they followed down the same cult path. And subsuming it all was-- Serpo.


I have to admit, as I wrote those words, I thought of you.

You did say almost the exact same words...I probably plagiarized without realizing it.

I didn't think you were right at the time, but you were.

I am satisfied to have stood up to the borg, and won.

Not many do

[boycotteverything]

Shit- we talked about this many times and you always saw it too. But you felt comfortable there- as did I for a long while. These forums tend to become dysfunctional parlors. Places to hang out and schmooze- everyone slugging on a cold one. You stood up to them many times and finally just frustrated the shit out of Bren. Getting your sorry ass tossed was inevitable! Standing up to the Borg may be fatal in the end- but as they say, the only worthwhile cause is a lost cause.

[mur]

Gary's latest.

http://stargate007.blogspot.com/2009/06/spy-games-revealed.html.


I don't think Gary get's enough credit

[Yex]

I agree, Gary is a must read,

he gets nothing but abuse from the debunksquad over at RU, I don`t know why he bothers!

This bit is fascinating..........

"I need you to know that Col. Weaver has contacted me and said he is Gene Loscowski. Her [sic] referred in detail to the meeting you and I had with Barry Hennessey about Rick's polygraph records ... He quoted what I said, what you did, and the circumstances of the meeting to convince me of who he was. He also told me the essence of the SERPO story was true."

[Cogburn]

It's just weird, really. The "soap opera" characterization is completely accurate. The whole story sounds like a dime-store-novel-turned-UFO-ARG.

Every time there's something "new", it's really more of the same old shit from the same old people, with a little teaser buried within the tripe to keep everyone interested enough for the next episode.

Truly maybe I've missed something as I did arrive at the story mid-way through and got bored really fast, but what is the grain of evidence upon which this pearl of a "soap opera" has been formed?

Other than a bunch of spooks fucking with the UFOlogy community for nothing more than their own amusement, why does anyone pay attention to this?

I keep asking but no one is able to really answer.

[mur]

I am on the same page as you Yex

I can't answer your question either Cogburn.

Something is there, but I don't know what it is.

I don't believe it is for amusement only.

[Cogburn]

You guys are much more versed in this than I am... Allow me to bounce a few questions off of you...

What is it for you that you find intriguing?

Does this story continue to live on because the sources are verifiable CIA/US military personnel?

Doesn't that just make the whole thing suspect?

I guess I just don't understand why it's not dismissed as disinformation.

[mur]

Over 30 years ago I saw something I can't explain, in broad daylight slowing rising over a gas station...maybe 150 yards and 50 feet over it....cone shaped, bright silver metallic....5 seconds and then it was gone.

I know that some type of phenomena exists.

I have to assume despite "official" denials that the phenomena is being studied by the military/intelligence community.

There are perhaps good reasons for the secret to be kept, perhaps the govt is basically clueless and cannot answer even the most basic questions.

I am not so interested in the "fantastical" details of the Serpo story or other so called secret releases, such as the Source "A" .

I doubt little of it is true.

But I am interested to know where these originate from and why.

I don't believe it is for entertainment purposes, or disinfo for the sake of disinfo.....although I'll concede that little of these stories are true.

I am just trying to make sense of explanations that don't make any sense to me.

Gary Bekkums reporting has gone a long way, for me anyway, to shining a light on the subject in a serious way.

[Yex]

Cog

Much the same here, Saw an object with my parents and neighbours around 1979, Matt black colour, almost cube shaped, came over where we were standing as if it was a balloon, then shot off out of sight at a 90 angle, have been interested in the subject ever since.

The "Core Story" starting with Roswell, possibly continuing with 3 "guests" and maybe even an exchange programme as mentioned by so many is of course filled with disinformation, but I have come to believe that there is some truth beneath the bullshit.

Following this soap opera for me is an interesting hobby. if only 5% of this tale is true then surely it is one of the most important events ever.

I had always assumed that "Gene Loscowski" was a sockpuppet of Rick Doty so the Col Weaver info was new to me

[GeneralStriker]

if only 5% of this tale is true then surely it is one of the most important events ever.Hey! Stop stealing Greatswallower's lines! Bastard.

http://www.cowsgomoo272.com/skicow.gif
Los cow ski

[mur]

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii218/murnut/greatswallower1.jpg

[Yex]

if only 5% of this tale is true then surely it is one of the most important events ever.Hey! Stop stealing Greatswallower's lines! Bastard.

http://www.cowsgomoo272.com/skicow.gif
Los cow ski

Don`t diss the Serpomeister, he`s got an Award, PAL!

[mur]

I have seen this quote before...i believe it is from 2006.

I just can't remember where.

I could of sworn Gary had posted it before, but i can't find any record online other than the most recent article.


"I need you to know that Col. Weaver has contacted me and said he is Gene Loscowski. Her [sic] referred in detail to the meeting you and I had with Barry Hennessey about Rick's polygraph records ... He quoted what I said, what you did, and the circumstances of the meeting to convince me of who he was. He also told me the essence of the SERPO story was true."

[Cogburn]

Hey, thanks for actually responding with worthwhile comments. :)

The involvement of actual CIA is a really intriguing part of things.

Poor Doty. John Lear v. 1.0

[GeneralStriker]

I have seen this quote before...i believe it is from 2006.

I just can't remember where.

I could of sworn Gary had posted it before, but i can't find any record online other than the most recent article.


"I need you to know that Col. Weaver has contacted me and said he is Gene Loscowski. Her [sic] referred in detail to the meeting you and I had with Barry Hennessey about Rick's polygraph records ... He quoted what I said, what you did, and the circumstances of the meeting to convince me of who he was. He also told me the essence of the SERPO story was true."I received this email from Bob C. about a year ago.


1/25/2007 12:27 PM Gene Loscowski wrote:

Gene Loscowski wrote: About 60% of the Serpo story is fact. The rest is bullshit. Its fun to sort out the bullshit from fact.


Gene has been all over the ballpark with his estimates!

[mur]

That quote is Kit writing to Ron...correct?

[GeneralStriker]

It's from both Ryan and Gary. Here's the RU page from 12/07:


... and the motivation behind the statement: Source #2 to Source #1: I need you to know that Col. Weaver has contacted me and said he is Gene Loscowski. Her referred in detail to the meeting you and I had with xxxxx xxxxxxxx about xxxx's polygraph records....where I made a fool of myself. ...
http://www.realityuncovered.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1071&p=14860&hilit=loscowski#p14860

[mur]

Damn, you're good

[GeneralStriker]

http://www.realityuncovered.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=905&p=12038&hilit=loscowski#p12038

Springer's involvement.... hahahahahahaha!!!!!! the bullshit was thick and heavy way back then!

[GeneralStriker]

Damn, you're good
For crissakes you were in the middle of the conversation. It was all good work. Serp's commentary was absolute dynamite. Whatever happened to that guy?

[KIWI]

hey general ask your mate BE if he is going to do me the courtesy of a reply to my PM?

[GeneralStriker]

Then there was this:




Postby Serpentime on Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:37 am

ryguy wrote:No...sorry... I would like to maintain the "protocol" that Jim and I recently agreed upon regarding the privacy of the emails themselves.



Understood clearly. ~ I just wanted Mark to understand - for his own sake - that my suspicion of "Jim" was based on germane evidence and not personal opinion.

ryguy wrote:

Serpentime wrote:~ Something about "Jim"'s context and timing provokes my suspicions in this particular case. But again, that's just me. :)



Yes - and I obviously agree with Serp's take on this. Which is why I'm backing it up. And agree - as with just about all of our conclusions on these issues, it's always based on context and timing.

-Ry



And, just for the record, I also have serious fundamental questions as to why an accomplished (and gainfully employed?) man such as "Jim" spends so much of his spare (?) time speaking to any of us here about anything?


With all due respect, can anyone answer the relevant question: What's in it for him?


~ Never mind his "contradictory" claims, but I'm almost starting to think that "Jim" might be more accurately code-named as "Janus". ;)



Just my opinion,

Serp :)

Jim? Kit Richard Kennett Green.

[boycotteverything]

hey general ask your mate BE if he is going to do me the courtesy of a reply to my PM?Whoops! Sorry, Kiwi. Yes- I'd kill for a copy!

[mur]

Yes..."Jim" is Kit.

Funny I was there...I knew this was old news....not the stunning revelation it is being portray as at OM.

[boycotteverything]

OM just loves a teapot tempest!

[boycotteverything]

I'm beginning to think that half the known humans in existence are actually Rick Doty socks!

[mur]

Who has more...you or him?

[boycotteverything]

i'm one of his!

[mur]

Nice try...I have it on good authority that you are actually....Gordon Novel


Hahahahahahahaha

[boycotteverything]

let's just keep that in the family

[Yex]

I'm beginning to think that half the known humans in existence are actually Rick Doty socks!


I`m Rick Doty and so`s my wife

[boycotteverything]

tell me something i didn't already know!

[Yex]

I Think Gary hit a nerve......... RU Throwing a hissyfit :lol:

Try as I might, I can never seem to get Gary Bekkum and his overdramatic boy-spy blog out of my life. Just when we, at RU, think that he’ll be content publishing the same old baseless government conspiracy theories over and over - he throws a real doozy out there…a major faux pas manipulation of the truth that simply can’t go unfixed. As an organization that prides itself upon a “passion for truth,” such an outright abortion of the truth can’t go unanswered. What is this terrible thing? It’s a recent article Gary published at the American Chronicle, a cheesy small online publication that publishes user content from anyone who’s willing to write an article for free for them. In Gary’s recent article titled, “Spy Games Revealed: Spies, Lies and Polygraph Tape,” Gary weaves a very odd web - quoting out-of-context snippets from select email conversations between two friends who happen to be either current or former U.S. intelligence employees.

continued here.....

http://www.realityuncovered.net/blog/2009/06/on-gary-bekkum-a-drama-queen-cannot-exist-without-an-audience/

[Cogburn]

Somebody reading AmKon?

[offsite:1p9ce99f]Open Minds Forum - 'Serpo' - Breaking News.

"That * is new information, indeed! And I suspect it may provoke a firestorm in response. Looks like the Serpo Saga may be heating up again, after all.

As far as The Rules go, all I recall is that Victor was (at first) forbidden to change anything, even misspellings, not the formatting, nothing. Later on he was able to convince the Anons that allowing him to clean up the text would make a more accessible release. Also, the Anons had a rigid order imposed on them from above in which they were to release the items and they never deviated from that order. In fact, now that I think of it, The Rules were primarily what the Anons had to follow and some or all of those rules may have been told to Victor, Bill and Kerry in the course of the releases." - 'Doc'

As Doc says, this is new information - and highly significant, credible information at that.

* "[...] One of the messages appeared to contain a potential bombshell concerning an alleged source for the SERPO tale:

"I need you to know that Col. Weaver has contacted me and said he is Gene Loscowski. Her [sic] referred in detail to the meeting you and I had with Barry Hennessey about Rick's polygraph records ... He quoted what I said, what you did, and the circumstances of the meeting to convince me of who he was. He also told me the essence of the SERPO story was true." [...]

http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=projectserpo&action=display&thread=656&page=49#190257

*Excerpt from Gary Bekkum's American Chronicle article; 27th June, 2009 @ http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/107861[/offsite:1p9ce99f]

[mur]

Nice find Yex.

I can't say I think Dube is wrong, but I can't say that Gary is wrong either.

Both Kit and Ron clearly speak out of both sides of their mouths.

The truth of the matter is somewhere between both extremes.

I'm inclined to give Gary the benefit of the doubt...that is to say, he has a more objective track record...a larger body of work.

Dube , I believe relies too much on Ron, and therefore is biased towards Ron's side of the story.

[boycotteverything]

Somebody reading AmKon?None of these pretenders has ever been particularly scrupulous about citing sources. Well- except Gary and Caryn. Ryan Dube has plagiarized most of his recent Serpo analysis from Gary Bekkum with no attribution.

[boycotteverything]

And Yex- while you're at it you might want to slip in a link to the "Notice- You've been banned by the Borg" thread here if you can find it. Those OM poseurs could use a quick peek in the mirror. Found it: http://www.amkon.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=7051 You'll have to hide it as a hyperlink.

[skunk]

Somebody reading AmKon?

Ha, I got that email too. Small world.

[mur]

OMF sent an email out?

[boycotteverything]

OMF sent an email out?Yours went to the Andy Murray is a Twat group at Facebook.

[Yex]

And Yex- while you're at it you might want to slip in a link to the "Notice- You've been banned by the Borg" thread here if you can find it. Those OM poseurs could use a quick peek in the mirror. Found it: http://www.amkon.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=7051 You'll have to hide it as a hyperlink.

I have made significant contributions to that thread, like this......


Take a snap of slim Tracy with the large breasts while you are at it :)

and this.......



Great, now we have 2 forums stalking us. What the fuck guys?

OK I`ll go for the hat-trick..............

R.U. is a bunch of close minded, debunker, agency connected
(who are now paying for writers........where`d the money come
from, CIA, like ATS?) cunts

:)

and of course my favourite-





Shit, Greatwaller getting an "Award" yet Mur gets banned? that deserves a multi-VOM

:projectile: :projectile: :projectile: :projectile: :projectile: :projectile: :projectile: :projectile: :projectile: :projectile: PAL!

There are twats on every forum, its the nature of the beast, innit?

[Yex]

ah, I`m with you, how long do you think the link will last over there?

[boycotteverything]

about 40 seconds

[mur]

I have confirmed that they did indeed send out an email over this old quote.

I don't blame Gary, but I am just amazed at the lengths they will go to to promote Serpo and other releases.

These Cult leaders don't care what is true or not, just on how many minds they can infect with their point of view.

Never mind the little details that don't add up...these are too inconvenient.

Truth cannot be built on a foundation of lies.

They should stop seeing what they want to see....and start seeing what is actually there.

[mur]

ah, I`m with you, how long do you think the link will last over there?


I'm ready to take a screen shot

[boycotteverything]

here's the stupid email-


Open Minds Forum - 'Serpo' - Breaking News.

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"That * is new information, indeed! And I suspect it may provoke a firestorm in response. Looks like the Serpo Saga may be heating up again, after all.

As far as The Rules go, all I recall is that Victor was (at first) forbidden to change anything, even misspellings, not the formatting, nothing. Later on he was able to convince the Anons that allowing him to clean up the text would make a more accessible release. Also, the Anons had a rigid order imposed on them from above in which they were to release the items and they never deviated from that order. In fact, now that I think of it, The Rules were primarily what the Anons had to follow and some or all of those rules may have been told to Victor, Bill and Kerry in the course of the releases." - 'Doc'

As Doc says, this is new information - and highly significant, credible information at that.

* "[...] One of the messages appeared to contain a potential bombshell concerning an alleged source for the SERPO tale:

"I need you to know that Col. Weaver has contacted me and said he is Gene Loscowski. Her [sic] referred in detail to the meeting you and I had with Barry Hennessey about Rick's polygraph records ... He quoted what I said, what you did, and the circumstances of the meeting to convince me of who he was. He also told me the essence of the SERPO story was true." [...]

http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=projectserpo&action=display&thread=656&page=49#190257

*Excerpt from Gary Bekkum's American Chronicle article; 27th June, 2009 @ http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/107861

[Yex]

Its a birthday present for Great "Damn you Mongorian, don`t break down my shitty wall" er

[Cogburn]

AmKon is now a credible source.

Period.

"We analyze so you don't have to."

[boycotteverything]

GW's birthday gift from Yex

http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=projectserpo&action=display&thread=656&page=52#190526

[mur]

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii218/murnut/hapbdaygw.jpg

[boycotteverything]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !we can only hope those dour fucksticks at OMF read this entire thread and lighten up a little.

[mur]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !we can only hope those dour fucksticks at OMF read this entire thread and lighten up a little.

The post is still up...dodo must be asleep at the switch

speaking up sleep...later

[boycotteverything]

later, bro

[boycotteverything]

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii218/murnut/hapbdaygw.jpg


This reply from Greatswallower:

Hi YEX,

Thanks for your very nice words...and I sure appreciate your timely compliment, Sir.

All the very best;
GW ;D

[mur]

Crashing into the White House: CIA, 9/11, UFOs, and the Extraterrestrial Presence (http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/108073)

Gary S. Bekkum


How soon before this is posted at OMF?

[skunk]

Jesus christ. I can buy the idea of a missile hitting the Pentagon, but this is too much.

[boycotteverything]

Crashing into the White House: CIA, 9/11, UFOs, and the Extraterrestrial Presence (http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/108073)

Gary S. Bekkum


How soon before this is posted at OMF?Critical in terms of Gary's interest in this phenomenon is this:
Meanwhile, a slow trickle of real evidence of official government interest in the strange and unnatural has been largely ignored by the mainstream media.

Said Gary:
Was a private intelligence operation involved in the machinations of the SERPO Affair?

One source seemed to think so. The service at the crux of the issue is none other than the ONI, not AFOSI.

Petri dish manipulation is the racket. It may be time, as I've said many times, to reconsider Moore.

[boycotteverything]

I don't remember if this link was posted. Yex made me aware of it. Dan Smith and Greatswallower in a foodfight at OM. Very funny stuff!

http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=projectserpo&action=display&thread=656&page=55#191324

Said the dork to Dan Smith:
I smell a rat in the CIA's attempt and the planting of the agent of deception (delusion...)...HERE...! hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!

[boycotteverything]

Ever the shit stirrer!


Yex,


Nope, you were definitely called a (CIA) rat.


I thought so!

Now, shall we examine the evidence, as to my putative rodent status?

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44307000/jpg/_44307921_rat_416.jpg
Dan and Ron earlier in the day

[Yex]

I was very tempted to post the entire PM Tiff I had with GW here, as it was piss your pants funny, involving some Cantonese insults (from myself) and a threat of me being banned (I need some "discipline" apparently!) but netiquette forbids it

[boycotteverything]

fuck netiquette. just change the names to protect the innocent and post it! hahahaha. to my mind the greatswallower is the funniest git since nixon.

[pack3tg0st]

poast poast poast!

Poast dat chit mang...

we love reading shit like that :P

[Yex]

OK Bastards, here you go trying to get me in trouble again....

posted this to Dan as above on public forum-

Nope, you were definitely called a (CIA) rat.

and received the following PM............

Name redacted -You fish in trouble waters, aren't you?
Will remember you for this, pal...!

Yex-Doo lay lo mo chow hai, (translation redacted)

Pal :)

Name redacted -You're nothing but a coward.
I could have you suspended for being rude and crude.


Name redacted -I will lodge a formal complain to the Admin for being rude and use abusive language against a fellow membeer and moderator.
You need to be disciplined.



Name redacted You will soon be hearing from us as to what form of discipline to be imposed on you for being rude and use foul language.
I will give you a chance to apologize

Moderator

I replied saying his original post was a veiled threat hence my reply which was intended as a joke and he needs to get a sense of humour

Name redacted -I am a Cantonese-Canadian and I know what you used was not a joke but foul language....! I will forgive you and hope you don't use it, no matter how disagreeable, as you say.
My debate with Dan has nothing to do with you and you had better keep out of it, pal.
Name redacted
Moderator

lets face it I am a very bad boy and do need to disciplined, very firmly

:twisted:

[pack3tg0st]

Isn't GW the guy who likes to use "pal" at least 5 times in every post?

Anyway, good on ya for posting that! no fear! woot!

P.S. Redacted might make a good name for a sock puppet lol

[boycotteverything]

Make sure Mr. Redacted brings his equipment to the discipline session.

http://www.top-to-bottom-leathers.co.uk/includes/getimage.aspx?file=../uploads/items/resized/DIS1.JPG&width=300&height=-1&nocrop=1

[pack3tg0st]

I pictured it more like this:

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2008/08/25/weird_sex_lead_wideweb__470x337,0.jpg

Meh... maybe i'm just odd...

[Cogburn]

Not just you.

*fap*

[boycotteverything]

Re: Dan - the CIA Rat?
« Result #30 Today at 7:03pm »

Today at 4:40am, fore wrote:

Yesterday at 2:10pm, Jake Reason wrote:


A self willed CIA Stooge, might be a fair description.



Yesterday at 7:10pm, brotherarvin wrote:


CIA Rat? Naaaah.

Unwitting CIA Rat By Proxy? Definitely.


I'd say he's somewhere in between.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jake, Fore and BA,

I'm calling you out on these statements.

These are very serious allegations. I demand that you either justify your allegations, or retract them, forthwith.

Thank you for your compliance.

[mojo]

hahaha....those guy's have some seriously large dildoes shoved up their asses.

lol, im going to discipline you! hahahahahahaha....it's the fucking internet, what sort of discipline can they exact on an anonymous person over an electronic medium who might be thousands of kilometres away.

some folk take themselves and their own importance waaaay to seriously.

someone invite them here so i can discipline them for being internet retards.

[boycotteverything]

These are very serious allegations. I demand that you either justify your allegations, or retract them, forthwith.

Thank you for your compliance. hahahah yeah. it's gotta be the funniest site on the web. we've got a bunch of em lurking here.

[Cogburn]

OMF gives me stupid chills.

I simply don't understand how you have tolerated those SERPOtards for as long as you have.

[skunk]

Maybe its because he believes in serpo?

[boycotteverything]

Maybe its because he believes in serpo?Who can deny it? Serpo is a virus that escaped from a petri dish. And even after Smeglick Uberlard banged out the lights it continues to grow in the dark. See? Even here. Now if you don't like what's on the TV you can always change the channel. That's why Jesus invented the parental control switch, pal.

[mur]

Yex (Traitor...lol) brought the below up at OMF

This has always fascinated me, but i never came to any conclusions about this case.


Speaking of "weird" what about the "Gulf breeze six"?

from here...

http://www.philipcoppens.com/gulfbreeze6.html


On July 9, 1990, six US military intelligence analysts from the 701st Military Intelligence Brigade at Augsburg, West Germany, at that time the biggest NSA (National Security Agency) listening post in the world outside the United States, deserted their posts, somehow convinced that the end of the world was nigh. It is one of the most extra-ordinary stories…

I seem to remember Dan mentioning this case before,

The article also states

"What is at the bottom of this story? At its most basic level, it shows that certain NSA operatives were dabbling with alien-Christian eschatology – and went AWOL as a consequence."

Cheers,

Yex


Anybody got a good theory?

[boycotteverything]

totally baffling and highly strange. it's not considered much anymore because it's impossible to pigeon hole.

[Yex]

Dan Smith insinuated there was more to this incident than meets the eye.

I think it was on his blog, but I`m fucked if I am going to traipse through all six billion pages to find it :D

[boycotteverything]

I think it was on his blog, but I`m fucked if I am going to traipse through all six billion pages to find itWhat? You haven't got a spare month? Pal?

[boycotteverything]

Dan is a word machine... no doubt about it!

[Yex]

Talking of Danny Boy....


http://www.starpod.org/knowing_part_15_mind_wars.htm


"Next, we come to our wax museum, where you may observe Mr. Smith as he goes to Washington, to crash the secret UFO party at the White House ... Oh yes, he really is alive, he only appears like an alien cadaver strung from the ceiling after a good "filleting."

Do take note that Mr. Smith performs the same song and dance routine, time and again, as he waits for disclosure.

A very patient man, our Mr. Smith."

[century]

Looks to be possible shadow from disk

[mur]

Weather balloon

[Yex]

swamp gas

[boycotteverything]

Jupiter in conjunction with John Lear's ass.

[boycotteverything]

Talking of Danny Boy....That sounds more like Caryn than Gary. I'll never forget when she described his 'little pudgy fingers' (I think at OM years ago)

[mur]

Found it...damn...I'm good


http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii218/murnut/gulf6.jpg

[Yex]

Top Man :salut: :salut:

[boycotteverything]

Gary Bekkum banned at RU

Just noticed this post by Fascist Ray over there-

I maintain a permanent banning is in order.

I'd like to call the RU Mods to the fact that Gary has, as yet, not replied to my challenge to him in the other thread where he makes accusations against myself and AD. And he even says "correct me if I am wrong." I have corrected him, but I am now asking him to either correct his lie, or provide evidence to back it up.

IMO he cannot and should not be allowed to ignore things he doesn't like or does not know how to answer.
Ray

Typical shriek for the ban hammer. And of course Ryan (Mr. Timid) Douche has expressed approval of the foreshadowed beheading. "Apologize to my gauleiters or pay with your head, Mr. Bekkum!" Is it any wonder that Gary was chased into the arms of OM? I notice that RU has declined to just 4 active posters now. Will the last guy to be Tali-banned please turn off the lights?

[boycotteverything]

c'mon steve- don't just lurk. sign up and post for crissakes.

[mur]

I'm not a Salla fan, so I enjoyed this






----- Original Message -----

From: Exopolitics
To: Robert Hastings
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 1:13 PM
Subject: Walter Cronkite saw UFO destroy a U.S. missile

Dear Mr Hastings, I mentioned you and your book in the article below. [ARTICLE DELETED BY RH] If you would like to send me a review copy, I can do a more detailed article on your book for my Examiner column. I have thousands of readers so it should help promote awareness of the important issues you discuss in your book.

My address follows:

Michael Salla
Honolulu Exopolitics Examiner
P.O. Box 2199
Kealakekua, HI 96750


Mahalo

Michael Salla, Ph.D.
Honolulu Exopolitics Examiner


----- Original Message -----

From: Robert Hastings
To: Exopolitics
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: Walter Cronkite saw UFO destroy a U.S. missile

Dr. Salla,

Classic! Precisely what I would expect from you. The Cronkite story was discredited years ago. Bill Knell?! You are actually citing Bill Knell as a credible source of information?! Why don't you do your homework before you publish or blurt out this kind of nonsense.

As I told you once before, my well-grounded research on the UFO-Nukes Connection can only be harmed by your mentioning it in your incompetently-researched articles. In my view, your public utterances have set back legitimate UFO research by decades.

Ever hear of Richard Hall? He died yesterday. You and your ilk would benefit from reading what credible persons--research giants such as Hall--have published over the years. IMHO, the corrosive effect of your influence is every bit as damaging to the UFO-disclosure process as the disingenuous UFO-debunking articles regularly offered-up by CSICOP/CSI.

I cringe every time I hear someone associate my work with what you publish. Please don't do me any more favors.

Robert Hastings
ufohastings.com

[Cogburn]

The email contains gratuitous amounts of awesome.

[boycotteverything]

Looks like Bob just told Mike to shut the fuck up. Decent advice.

[boycotteverything]

the Exo-gaggg-politics conference

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/x-conference-09

[=recon=]

Buzz Aldrin speaks about a strange monolith on phobos, which is the moon of mars:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDIXvpjnRws

[boycotteverything]

This blogger has interesting information on Ufology. Excellent read.

http://ufocon.blogspot.com/2009/07/deep-secrets-of-ufo-think-tank-exposed.html#c797342560522178363

[Cogburn]

Did you intend to link to the comment posted by someone from Scholars for 9/11 Truth?

Pretty weak connections offered in the main article, too.

[boycotteverything]

it's a good read. no skin off my teeth.

[mur]

http://www.avimoas.com/ufo-news-and-videos/181-triangle-ufo-pittsburgh-pa-usa-august-4-2009.html

Could this be a conventional aircraft?





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[Lexion]

Well.....from the text, the guy
seems pretty opinionated.

Nice vid, but I still gotta ask...

Why would aliens need running
lights ?

Just doesn't add up for me.

Since it's so dark, it could well be
an RC craft.

I wonder if Bliv has seen any that
can be ordered.

Hmmm,
Lex

[mur]

It does seem to resemble other "triangle" sightings.

I don't believe it is alien in origin, although at first glance I can't identify.

Military secret?

[Cogburn]

Video has the same problems as pretty much all other nighttime UFO videos: ZERO sense of scale, a cameraman with palsy, and awful YouTube degeneration of the video.

The fact that there's no sound on top of that doesn't wow me.

[mur]

Taken from a blog......here
http://jratcliffscarab.blogspot.com/2009/08/oh-humanity.html



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Without question this is the most annoying YouTube video I have ever watched in my life. Well, to be frank, I couldn't actually watch the whole thing. I had to start and stop it in segments while I tried to clear my polluted mind.

The only reason I post it here, for those of you who can stomach a couple of minutes, is to point out the absurdity of two batshit crazy people arguing with each other as to who is or is not the most batshit crazy.

This is the ultimate pot calling the kettle black scenario of all time.

The 'Project Camelot' group (a bit shit crazy collection of UFO contactees who never found an absurd story they couldn't swallow) interview 'Dr. Steven Greer' (the biggest fucking dickheaded asshole to ever invade the field of UFOology in all of recorded history).

This controversial interview centers around the conflict that Greer claims that all ET contact is beautiful, wonderful, beneficial and great (and anything which is negative is a product of brainwashing and military experiments), while the semi-reasonable (in this context) 'Project Camelot' people suggest that some ET interactions are possibly negative and, hey, anyway, shouldn't we be on the side of humanity as a default position?

The mind reels as you hear Dr. Steven Greer blather on blithely about government built genetically engineered bad gray alien robots only to have the Project Camelot folks blindly nod along in agreement.

Look, I have an answer for both of you. You guys are both bat shit crazy and so full of shit I can't believe you haven't been legally classified as a septic tank by now. If there ever was anything potentially 'real' about UFOs you two, and the 'exopolitical movement' in general, have destroyed any and all hope of ever having the subject taken seriously ever again.

You have completely destroyed the topic through your mind boggling credulity, stupidity, irrational belief systems and lack of critical thinking skills.

As someone who kind of thought maybe there was a real unknown mystery surrounding the UFO topic it is the likes of you that make me want to shrink from the topic for good. I hope you are both ashamed of yourselves and, as far as I can tell, you are both completely hopeless.

P.S. In case you thought my post a bit too harsh. I challenge you to listen to the following 'Project Camelot' broadcast.
http://projectcamelot.org/svali.mp3

It boggles the mind. For those of you who thought you had read the extreme of the extreme nut jobs in our culture, you need only read the following.
http://projectcamelot.org/svali.html

Fellow Freemasons, be forewarned, apparently you sacrifice children, and other various and sundry nasty behavior...

[Cogburn]

I've had this playing in the background for a bit.

*shock*
*anger*
*sadness*
*acceptance*

With my background, I need to sacrifice children several times a day, so that's nothing new. What really pisses me off is the absolute domination of the conversation that these people have achieved.

Nothing else may be entertained because these fools have the apparent intellectual lock down on the situation.

I can't say that everything sucks for anything more than pure human desire for attention. Hell, skunk is the master at getting stars and flags over AtThatShithole for posting the most ridiculous nonsense. People like to hear what they want to hear from someone they believe knows more than they do. Then the echo chamber begins and after a while no one really know who said what in the first place.

AmKon resides as one of the few resources on the internet for non-agenda driven discussion of fringe phenomenon.

Ya' know... Project Camelot sure does travel a lot for a fringe group with minimal advertising. Who funds Project Camelot, I wonder? Are they really selling that many DVDs in the age of YouTube? Are the dynamic duo independently wealthy or are they sponsored?

By filling our time with the sheer volume of spurious information we are being intellectually corralled. The conspiracy theory community are sheep, not being wholesale led to the slaughter, but to led within pastures of blissful ignorance where we'll accept anything that is told to us as long as in the end we distrust our government, our leaders, and everything we've been told about the world.

Why is it so important to keep people so intellectually off-balance? From my experience in martial arts, you put someone off-balance in order to render them incapable of doing you further harm, or to allow you to do something else without their interference.

Part of me says that I should ignore this stuff completely... but another part of me is compelled to start really digging into these people and getting in their faces like I did in the old days... so I can see for myself what the fuck they are about.

I dunno... such crusades aren't one man operations. Anyone else motivated to build a plan to actually confront some of these fools?

[boycotteverything]

Not only that- Kerry's looking a little wide in the beam these days!

But actually I found it to be an interesting philosophical discussion (and I watched the whole fucking thing!)- given the presence of alien cultures in our midst. I've long held, much like Kerry and Bill, that there can be no benign invasion- that 'invasion' is, by definition, nefarious regardless of the intentions of the invaders. Steve Greer holds the opposing view. In '76 he'd have been a Tory.

And Bill- will you get a new fucking hat already???

[Cogburn]

Bill is a Scientologist, no? Free Zone or otherwise, Scientology is incompatible with UFOlogy as discussed, except in Project Camelot's notion of nefarious alien intelligences dogging the progress of mankind.

Also, as a listed SP, Kit Green and crew would have had no contact with Ryan, and if they had would have been recalled for immediate auditing and possible discipline.

Bill is an unabashed FZS and Puthoff tested e-meters at SRI... if they truly take their spiritual beliefs as seriously as it may seem then I'm not sure how such interaction is possible without someone being full of shit. That someone, of course, being Bill Ryan.

[boycotteverything]

Yeah- well I tend to bracket his past association with Ron's Org because he's asked me to and I think he's essentially an honest man. But who knows? The COS gives me the creeps, too. It's patently obvious that no intelligent man could ever buy into their religious revelations. And since there are many very intelligent COS members- that implies another agenda. What it is is beyond me. Control by subversion of Intelligence and then, like Putin, control of the empire? Who knows? I do know that Ron Hubbard was a very dangerous megalomaniac.

[Cogburn]

Rewatch the video around the 39 minute mark....

Greer: (looks at Bill) "... and is very compatible with the Scientological view of a coming transition ..."

[boycotteverything]

I noticed that. It came out of no where. But bear in mind- these guys hate each other.

[Cogburn]

Yeah... I kinda got that... Bill doesn't say much at all throughout the entire interview.

[boycotteverything]

I'm actually a bit nonplussed that Steve agreed to the assault, ...er, interview, to begin with.

[Cogburn]

I think this whole track within UFOlogy is tainted.

There's a striking similarity between exopolitics, the CSETI mission, and Scientology that I can't quite get past. While they quibble over details, each organization is run the same basic manner and philosophy... all trumpeted by Project Camelot on one level or another.

Was it an assault interview or was it a bridge (pun intended) between the various Scientology front groups within UFOlogy?

The missing piece, of course, is putting Salla or Greer in the COS and I don't think that's too far from coming to light.

[mur]

The funny or sad thing is...these are the hero's of Ufology?

Is this really the best we can do?

[Cogburn]

No. We are.

They are simply the best cacophony money can buy.

AmKon should be required reading for all UFOlogists.

[mur]

I agree with you....the folks that question the ufo communities "sacred cows" are the real hero's.

When the shit hits the ufo fan (if it ever does) I won't trust them or the govt.

Unrelated...it has come to my attention that Ron Pandolfi has admitted to being the "White house Saucer Guy"

http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=dansmithsom&action=display&thread=5676&page=5#196699

Is this what Greer refers to as briefing Obama's staff?

[boycotteverything]

can't read dan's shit anymore. i've had it with the guy. he's a sick man. 48 hour detox won't touch his problem. he can take cat fish and tuna and stick em up his ass sideways. bouillabaisse au smith.

[mur]

I still like him

[boycotteverything]

why?

[pack3tg0st]

isn't it obvious BE :P

http://jenchoi.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/insp_sexual_tension.png

[boycotteverything]

Hey! Aren't you the same bastard who pasted a Gorn on the Meltdown thread? I thought you looked familiar.

May you be eaten by a Horta.

http://www.wired.com/images/slideshow/2007/11/gallery_star_trek_monsters/tmhorta.jpg

[pack3tg0st]

I can't help it if star trek fuckin' rules man...

[boycotteverything]

http://startswithabang.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/t0m537.jpg

[mur]

why?

Because he (Dan Smith) has been right, and his ideology meshes with mine.

I could talk to that guy for hours....and I have.

Maybe he hasn't been right about every little detail, but his big picture rings pretty fucking true to me.


And Star Trek so fucking Rules.

Just started watching it again online.

Was truly ahead of it's time by leaps and bounds

[mur]

I thought this very interesting and leading towards what I believe...


Prometheus Unbound

Santi Tafarella’s blog on books, culture, and politics
Dr. Jacques Vallee and Dr. Allen Hynek on UFOs


http://santitafarella.wordpress.com/2009/08/11/dr-jacques-vallee-and-allen-hynek-on-ufos/




As an agnostic and skeptic, I’ve been trying to get myself up to speed on UFOlogy, and I’m sorry to report that the vast majority of the “information” out there is largely crap. I have found, however, that there are, in the history of this field of (mostly amateur) study, at least two serious scientists who spent a lot of time looking into the issue and had interesting things to say about UFO phenomena: Dr. Jacques Valee and Allen Hynek.

In their UFO investigations, these men were most active in the 1970s. Jacques Vallee, in a 2008 interview, has said that he believes that his 1970s books on the subject are still relevant today since (to his regret) no breakthroughs in information gathering or hypotheses have occurred since he wrote them. UFOs, says Vallee, are as perplexing as when he studied them over 30 years ago. Dr. Hynek, unfortunately, has passed away.

Here’s a brief clip of Vallee being interviewed in the 1970s. Notice that Vallee links UFOs to folklore:

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And here’s a more recent clip of Vallee discussing UFO’s:

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And here’s Allen Hynek in a 1977 interview:

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As for documentary films, there are two that I know of that are intellectually interesting:

* Out of the Blue (which I have not seen, but am told is exceptional)
* Touched (which I have seen, and thought quite interesting)

Touched is directed by a woman and won a number of documentary awards. She explores, sympathetically, the stories of various people who claim to have had abduction experiences, and it is deeply moving and interesting. She also interviews a Harvard psychologist (now deceased) by the name of John Mack. Mack was a sympathetic researcher into UFO abductee stories, and the fact that he took the abductee narratives seriously scandalized him among his peers.

I’d note that Mack, Vallee, and Hynek have been skeptical of the popular interpretaion of UFOs (that they are metal saucers with aliens inside from another solar system). But they do think that something strange is going on (beyond psychosis or witnesses mistaking, say, balloons or birds for saucers). My own sense thus far is that something is going on, and what is intriguing to me is what this might say about the nature of mind manifesting itself apart from bodies. In other words, UFOs might well be an encounter with disembodied or projected minds of some sort (perhaps from another dimension). I know that sounds very, very weird. But it’s one thing Vallee holds out as a possibility—something intentional, though extra-psychological (not residing in the mind as hallucination).

There are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy, Horatio?

[boycotteverything]

The guy's obviously new to the study and even more obviously a douche. To distill Ufology down to Vallee and Hynek is to force the entire field into a pigeon hole of his own making. And while that may offer a bit of relief to him in confronting the possibilities of the High Strange it also demonstrates a fox-hole bias. The psychosis explanations are the safest ones. Even safer than swamp gas. And while the guy denies it, Hynek did in fact conclude that the phenomena included 'metal saucers with aliens inside from another solar system.' He couldn't conclude otherwise after the Zamora investigation and he made that point often- even in the face of derision. Vallee has stated much the same despite his Magonia predilection. Dr. Mack never excluded the reality of alien visitation either.
I thought this very interesting and leading towards what I believe...Believe nothing.

[mur]

Gee...my interpretation was that ufology cannot be boiled down to any explanation at this point

[boycotteverything]

I agree. That's the guy's mistake.

[skunk]

I can't say that everything sucks for anything more than pure human desire for attention. Hell, skunk is the master at getting stars and flags over AtThatShithole for posting the most ridiculous nonsense.


For the record I have no idea what cog is talking about, and I'm not sure he does either.

[Cogburn]

Then nope, not a clue.

[mur]

Not that anyone cares, my hard drive failed.

While its being fixed, I'll be at the beach, surfing

PS...I like my new avatar

[boycotteverything]

Eschaton, Echelon, the Borg and Dan Smith

So what is disclosure about? It is most certainly about this:

The earth’s inhabitants are true believers- divided among a small series of cargo-cults. Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Roswellism- and on and on… . John Frumists, all, in the final analysis. Perhaps all derived from the proverbial, cosmic GI with a radio. Who can say?

Is ‘what is to be disclosed’ nothing more than that ‘all minds are to be strung together like bots in the ultimate Borgist paradigm’? Perhaps. The Internet comes to mind here.

And are there terrestrial enablers of the Borg regime, the ‘body-snatched, lurking amongst us? Perhaps.

Such an analysis explains those Orwellian perversions that have replaced reality in this place and time. Resistance to usurpation is the first of our human rights to fall. Humanity accepts the maxim that ‘resistance is futile.’ The living will envy the dead, for sure. Because death shall no-longer be permitted.

This is where Ron Pandolfi and the CIA come in. They are body-snatched and preparing the paths- in the manner of the Good News Baptist. In this eschatological passion play Dan Smith is the lamb. Eschaton and Echelon are flip-sides of the same record. The NSA has been snatched and is working for the Borgists. We are being led by poseurs and fools. Bush typifies this problem.

Echelon will identify the subversives and Escheton will weed them out. We serve the Borg.

Echelon describes us, identifies us and marks us for elimination. Have you noticed the Chinese execution vans coming to a neighborhood near you? http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-06-14-death-van_x.htm

http://images.usatoday.com/news/_photos/2006/06/15/van.jpg
Your last ride?

Waiting for the van will become our fate. This is disclosure. This is our future.

And the purpose of the Borg? Energy. This string of pearls enabled by the internet, becomes an addition to the power of the Borgist Engine. That is the denouement of humanity. Unless…

The answer? Resist. It is not futile. At the risk of sounding like Antigrey- I say this.

Can you kill a Grey with a pitchfork? We’re about to know.


1. “Once this Pandora's box is opened, nothing will ever be the same. Every last one of us will have some nostalgia for these good old days, i.e. the last six thousand years of history. Tomorrow that sweet sadness will be gone forever. It will be a brave new world. Savor our innocence for these last couple of days. We'll be wishing that Ron could have kept us all going in circles for just another week or two.” DS, 2/6/7

2. The most disturbing statement yet made by Dan. Could it be that the ultimate disclosure will be the realization that the human race, in the words of CH Fort, ‘is property?’ Is David Jacobs closer to the truth than John Mack?

3. Is ‘the billion dollar’ aquarium operation alluded to by Kit Green an acclimatization exercise, a preparing of the paths, for a revelation that can only result in universal despair?

4. Or is all just a load of bullshit? Not even Dan knows the answer to these questions.

5. And further, is it not the case that the ‘Best Possible World’ thesis is essentially tautological in nature? If ‘World’ is the universality inclusive of all possibility (even Dialectic, itself) then it follows that this is the best possible world at any given point in time. Or have I missed something?


“ 'I am that I am.'
Yes, that is the World Knot.
This is the hallmark of Theism. God cannot be half a person. There is no such thing,” DS

The Cartesian reformulation is more apt: I think therefore I am.
If sense is the gateway to perception then it follows that all resolution of reality is purely synthetic, relying for it’s reality on the premise of “I and Not-I. While it may be possible that an insentient consciousness (if such a state of existence exists) to enjoy a certain a priori experience, such an experience would be necessarily solipsistic or purely self-conscious and immaterial. But the difficulty in any ontological argument of this nature is that in order to make the argument at all I must leap to the belief that there is in fact a reality beyond my senses. The existence of ‘the other’ can not be proven- only assumed. (Did I make that point?) Therefore synthetic reality is likewise merely an assumption. Put another way- synthesis requires a thesis and an antithesis. Only the thesis can be proven: cogito ergo sum. (Je pense, donc je suis) (I think, so I am) At the risk of calling Descartes ‘verbose’ I must here add that the ‘sum’ is redundant and that the premise itself is tautological. More properly stated the proposition is simply: ‘cogito’ (je pense). That’s all. There is no ‘ergo’ ‘donc’ ‘so’ ‘therefore’ necessary. ‘Je pense’ and ‘je suis’ are identical in meaning. And (according to Descartes) that is all that one can know for certain.

Jesus, it’s lonely in here! Thus the nature and the conundrum of God. Pantheism? Theism? Ismism? Basically a silly way to spend thirty years. But to each his own.

That the advent of thought (Imagination) at once encapsulates and leaps beyond the solipsist singularity of the God. Thesis- Antithesis. The Synthesis? Call it the Mood of God. This Dialectical principle is engraved on the soul of the possibilities of all actual entities.
The Big Bang is just a thought. And if the God is once again to relapse into lonely Unity the Sparks emitted in the Bang must rejoin in a single thought made inevitable by intellectual Gravity. Free Will and the survival of individual consciousness then is necessarily the resistance to Unity. Treasure your contradictions in these last moments.

[Cogburn]

Well no shit....

The only contention I have with your statements is that Pandolfi was motivated by anything other than Pandolfi. You assume that it is our government obscuring the truth of the alien presence without evidence.

It is equally as likely that the government itself is only slightly more enlightened than you or I and that Pandolfi (et al) is playing us all for the fool.

[boycotteverything]

You assume that it is our government obscuring the truth of the alien presence without evidence.There is ample evidence that the government has and is hiding and obfuscating reports of ET visitation, aka 'invasion.' The FOIA discoveries as well as a vast body of close encounter testimony in the public domain concerning Ufological phenomena ensure us that that's the case.



It is equally as likely that the government itself is only slightly more enlightened than you or I and that Pandolfi (et al) is playing us all for the fool.
That contention is valid but in no way contradicts the prior statement.

Pandolfi, Green and Smith are 'deep-enders'. Highly strange observations require highly strange explanations (to borrow a principle from Sagan.) They have taken, therefore, what they term- the 'Phenomenological' approach. Phenomenology, being a philosophical consideration, has led them to the branch of Philosophy that we term 'Eschatology' given the implications of the evidence for the near future of history per se. That reveals to them a wet and murky world bordering on insanity. An 'aquarium' so to speak.

While it's tempting to dismiss this approach as trivial- or worse: disingenuous- we do so at the risk of bracketing an unfolding truth. Consider everything/ believe nothing.


The only contention I have with your statements is that Pandolfi was motivated by anything other than Pandolfi.Were Pandolfi not serving his masters he would not be long for the CIA. That agency is not known for long suffering associates who tell tales out of school.

[Cogburn]

Were Pandolfi not serving his masters he would not be long for the CIA. That agency is not known for long suffering associates who tell tales out of school.
They don't care if you tell tall tales, especially of the manner told by Pandolfi.

No one has yet to offer a single instance where the CIA disciplined an employee for saying something that was completely false about the CIA and it's work with aliens. They've been plentiful, no?

Until such an example arises, it's more logical to assume that the CIA didn't care what Pandolfi was saying because it was bullshit, not because he was some sort of disinformation plant.

[boycotteverything]

it's more logical to assume that the CIA didn't care what Pandolfi was saying because it was bullshit,'bullshit' in the mirrored halls? who knows? i do know this: that a slave can not serve two masters. (apologies to that jesus fella.)

[mur]

good posts by the both of you and I agree pretty much...on Ron, I lean towards BE.

this is tough to do from my phone.....Bill looks to be bringing big waves my way finally.

I'll shred one for you guys

[Cogburn]

it's more logical to assume that the CIA didn't care what Pandolfi was saying because it was bullshit,'bullshit' in the mirrored halls? who knows? i do know this: that a slave can not serve two masters. (apologies to that jesus fella.)
That's silly.

You've been married, had kids and had a job.

That's at least 3 right there.

[mur]

Interesting UFO Newsletter...he rips just about everyone except Reality Uncovered.

http://home.comcast.net/~tprinty/UFO/SUNlite1_3.pdf

Back issues here

http://home.comcast.net/~tprinty/UFO/SUNlite.htm

[KIWI]

cheers mur, saved for a later read, plenty in there

[Cogburn]

Oh mur... that's just gonna piss of Yex....

He goes after Bragalia and that stupid nintol blog posting with a vengeance.

That guy should post here. He'd love it.

[mur]

My pleasure....he even takes some shots at Leslie Kean, and i like her.....but his comments about her lack of recent action are on the money and I can't dispute.

I have first hand knowledge of Leslie covering up for one of her witnesses, John Callahan.

Nothing too sinister...just that his "appearance" at the National Press Club "went off script" and it's clear to me and some other that his testimony is "embellished"

Attempts to hold Mr. Callahan accountable, are not in Leslie's interest it seems.

I wanted to post the 2007 video of Callahan's account...but I can't seem to find it.

The JAL case over Alaska is a good ufo case with decent evidence on both sides....but nothing was covered up as Callahan claims...

Oh wait I found Callahan's video....start at the 5:50 mark


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I also was interested to read about Nick Pope....secret ufo clerk :roll:

[Yex]

Oh mur... that's just gonna piss of Yex....

He goes after Bragalia and that stupid nintol blog posting with a vengeance.

That guy should post here. He'd love it.

Bragalia reckons Soccorro was a hoax here....

http://ufocon.blogspot.com/2009/09/socorro-hoax-exposed-famous-1964.html

just hearsay though

Yex

[Cogburn]

Decrying one hoax while supporting another is not an indication of truth as much as it is an indication of personal preference for the thickness of your tin foil.

If I understand your comment correctly, that is.

[Yex]

I think that is his gameplan, he is trying to trick debunkers into stating "I knew Socorro was a hoax" and then will claim if they believe that story with such flimsy evidence why do they not believe his Nitinol/Roswell link which is based on pretty much the same type of hearsay

Yex

[GeneralStriker]

Oh mur... that's just gonna piss of Yex....

He goes after Bragalia and that stupid nintol blog posting with a vengeance.

That guy should post here. He'd love it.

Bragalia reckons Soccorro was a hoax here....

http://ufocon.blogspot.com/2009/09/socorro-hoax-exposed-famous-1964.html

just hearsay though

YexThat blog cost me any respect I had for Bragalia. I posted a comment to that effect- but I doubt he'll approve it. It's nothing more than Klassic debunkery based on second and third hand hearsay. It worth noting that Klass himself dismissed the sighting as a hoax involving Lonnie and the mayor of Socorro having to do with pumping up the value of a piece of land- or some shit or other... The Klass story was made up out of whole cloth as is Bragalia's.

http://ufos.homestead.com/socorro16.jpg

Here's the UFO Casebook article on the sighting.


The Zamora case, Soccoro, New Mexico, 1964:
This famous event happened to Lonnie Zamora, a police officer, near Socorro, New Mexico, April 24, 1964. This is a close encounter of the third kind that Project Blue Book classifies as "unexplained". There are FOIA released documents (see bottom of page) that indicate that there were little doubt at the FBI, the SAC and Project Blue Book that Officer Zamora has really encountered alien beings.
ELLIPSE LEAVES LANDING MARKS:

While chasing a speeding car at about 5:45 p.m., Officer Lonnie Zamora of the Socorro Police Department heard a roar and saw flame in the sky to the southwest. Thinking that a dynamite shack in that area must have blown up, he abandoned the chase and went to investigate. As he approached the arroyo on unpaved roads he saw an elliptical object resting on legs in a gully. A red "insignia" or emblem was visible on the side toward him, and standing near it were two humanoid figures.

Zamora did not comprehend what he was seeing, so he reported in to the dispatcher that he would be out of his car "checking the car down in the arroyo." As he got out of his car he heard two or three loud "thumps," like someone slamming a door. The beings were no longer visible. The craft took off with a loud roar and blast of flames, and when it cleared the ground, rising straight up, it came silent, leveled off and flew away horizontally. Then it rose at a slight angle and accelerated until it disappeared in the distance over the mountains, just clearing Six Mile Canyon Mountain.

After Zamora called the dispatcher to report the incident, Sergeant M.S. Chavez of the State Police was directed to the site as back-up. While waiting for Chavez, Zamora noticed that the underbrush was burning in several places. In his later report to Army investigators, Zamora described what happened next:

"Then Sergeant Chavez came up, asked me what the trouble was, because I was sweating and he told me I was white, very pale. I asked the sergeant to see what I saw, and that was the burning brush. Then Sergeant Chavez and I went to the spot, and Sergeant Chavez pointed out the tracks."

Socorro Deputy Sheriff James Luckie arrived a few minutes after Chavez, and he also confirmed the imprints and the still-smoking foliage.

Zamora had not paid much attention to the "legs" on the object at the time, but now they took on new significance. Four squarish indentations arranged in a trapezoidal pattern were visible. Four burned areas, three of them within the pattern of imprints, also were noted. Several small, shallow circular indentations adjacent to the other markings are labeled "footprints" in the Air Force case file.

The first military investigator on the scene, on April 25, was Army Captain Richard T. Holder, Up-Range Commander of White Sands Proving Grounds, along with an FBI agent, D. Arthur Byrnes, Jr., from the Albuquerque office. Major William Connor from Kirtland AFB and Sgt. David Moody, who was in the area on TDY, investigated for Air Force Project Blue Book on April 26. Dr. J. Allen Hynek arrived on April 28. Hynek also conducted a follow-up investigation on August 15, 1964. Following is an excerpt from Capt. Holder's report:

"Present when we arrived were Officer Zamora, Officer Melvin Katzlaff, [and] Bill Pyland, all of the Socorro Police Department, who assisted in making the measurements. When we had completed examination of the area, Mr. Byrnes, Officer Zamora, and I returned to the State Police Office [at] Socorro, then completed these reports. Upon arrival at the office location in the Socorro County Building, we were informed by Nep Lopez, Sheriff's Office radio operator, that approximately three reports had been called in by telephone of a blue flame of light in the area... the dispatcher indicated that the times were roughly similar..."

Zamora told Capt. Holder and Major Connor, according to their notes:

"Noise was a roar, not a blast. Not like a jet. Changed from high frequency to low frequency and then stopped. Roar lasted possibly 10 seconds was going towards it at that time on the rough gravel road... At same time as roar, saw flame. Flame was under the object. Object was starting to go straight up slowly up... Flame was light blue and at bottom was sort of orange color... Thought, from roar, it might blow up..."

When the roar stopped, he heard a whining sound going from high tone to low tone, which lasted about a second. "Then," he said, "there was complete silence... It appeared to go in [a] straight line and at same [constant] height, possibly 10 to 15 feet from ground, and it cleared the dynamite shack by about three feet... Object was traveling very fast. It seemed to rise up, and take off immediately across country."

In 1968, Dr. James E. McDonald, an atmospheric physicist at the University of Arizona, said that he had learned of an alleged patch of "fused sand" at the Socorro landing site:

"A woman who is now a radiological chemist with the Public Health Service in Las Vegas was involved in some special analyses of materials collected at the Socorro site, and when she was there, the morning after [Apr. 25, 1964], she claims that there was a patch of melted and resolidified sand right under the landing area. I have talked to her both by telephone and in person here in Tucson recently."

She had analyzed plant fluids exuded from the scorched greasewood and mesquite plants, and told McDonald, "There were a few organic materials they couldn't identify," but most of the sample was just sap. "Shortly after she finished her work," she told him, "Air Force personnel came and took all her notes and materials and told her she wasn't to talk about it any more." Analysis reports of physical evidence at the site have never been released to the public.

Two additional witnesses, Paul Kies and Larry Kratzer of Dubuque, Iowa, submitted statements to Dr. Hynek on May 29, 1968. In May of 1978 Ralph C. DeGraw, an Iowa investigator, interviewed them. They were driving just southwest of Socorro at about 6:00 p.m. that day when they noticed something shiny and a cloud of smoke near the ground in the vicinity of the town. Later they heard a newscast about Zamora's sighting and the significance of what they had seen became apparent.

Kratzer said he watched as "a round, saucer or egg-shaped object ascended vertically from the black smoke... After climbing vertically out of the smoke, the object leveled off and moved in a southwest direction." He said the object was silvery and had a row of apparent portholes across the side and a "red Z" marking toward one end. At the time he thought it might have been an experimental vertical-lift aircraft. Kies saw only a shiny spot and the smoke.

An FBI report dated May 8, 1964, notes that Zamora has been personally known for about 5 years and is "well regarded as a sober, industrious, and conscientious officer and not given to fantasy." The report also confirms the scorched foliage and the imprints, noting that, "Each depression seemed to have been made by an object going into the earth at an angle from a center line [and each] pushed some earth to the far side."

Two years after the sighting, Major Hector Quintanilla, Air Force Chief of Project Blue Book at the time of the sighting, confided to intelligence specialists in a classified CIA publication that the Socorro case remained "puzzling." With the help of many other agencies, he had conducted an exhaustive check of military activities looking for an explanation, but none could be found.

"There is no doubt that Lonnie Zamora saw an object which left quite an impression on him. There is also no question about Zamora's reliability. He is a serious police officer, a pillar of his church, and a man well versed in recognizing airborne vehicles in his area. He is puzzled by what he saw, and frankly, so are we. This is the best-documented case on record, and still we have been unable, in spite of thorough investigation, to find the vehicle or other stimulus that scared Zamora to the point of panic."

REFERENCES:

* Air Force case file, Project Blue Book files, National Archives.
* The Memo from SAC to FBI, recently declassified FOIA document.
* Hector Quintanilla, Jr., "The Investigation of UFOs," Studies in Intelligence (CIA), 10(4), Fall 1966, pp. 95-110.
* Project Blue Book's list of "unexplained" cases.
* J. Allen Hynek, The UFO Experience: A Scientific Inquiry, Chicago, Henry Regnery, 1972, pp. 144-145.
* FBI memo, Apr. 28, 1964, from Special Agent in Charge, Albuquerque, to Director, FBI.
* FBI memo, May 8, 1964, from Special Agent in Charge, Albuquerque office, to Director, with report of same date titled "Unidentified Flying Object, Socorro, New Mexico, April 24, 1964."
* J. Allen Hynek, "Socorro Revisited," no date, circa August 1964, Project Blue Book files.
* "Flying Saucers", special issue of Look magazine, 1967.
* Hector Quintanilla's similar comments in a reminiscence titled "Project Blue Book's Last Years," in Hilary Evans and Dennis Stacy, UFOs: 1947-1997: Fifty Years of Flying Saucers, John Brown Publishing, London, England, 1997, pp. 109-118.
* Richard T. Holder (Capt., U.S. Army) "UFO Report, 24 April 1964." Socorro El Defensor Chieftan, Apr. 28, 1964.
* "UFOs Explained", book by Philip Klass, Random House publisher, 1974.
* Letter from Dr. James E. McDonald to Richard Hall, Sept. 5, 1968, re: "fused sand" at Socorro site. J. Allen Hynek, The Hynek UFO Report, New York, Dell Publishing Co., 1977, pp. 223-229.

Note: oddly enough, this case has "disapeared" from the official list on unexplained cases of the Project Blue Book.

[Yex]

What about RUs wank helicopter explanation, that one takes the biscuit!

[KIWI]

What about RUs wank helicopter explanation, that one takes the biscuit!

maybe, but the lander story takes the cake

[Yex]

Thats the one, a bell helicopter with lunar surveyor strung underneath it

"A Bell 47G helicopter has a range of range of 214 nautical miles. A Bell 47G with a Surveyor test article attached to it could have created the burn evidence and (assuming, among other things, they weren’t simply a clever diversion created by the crew of the Bell 47G or anyone else) "Holes-In-The-Ground".

http://www.realityuncovered.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=13024

just noticed this cracking quote from BE (wetsystems) whilst tracking it down...



Err.. the theory is Zamora may have mistaken the helicopter it was attached to for an “egg” not the lander.

If the helicopter was an egg I'd love to see the chicken that laid it.

:D

[GeneralStriker]

ridiculous bullshit by access denier. what a douchebag. the great debate is here: http://www.realityuncovered.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=883&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=zamora+socorro&start=15

[KIWI]

Thats the one, a bell helicopter with lunar surveyor strung underneath it

yeah Yex, sad shit alright......what a shame the tourists who witnessed it cross the high way (taking nearly off the cars aerial?) never came forward......still, thank jeebus the main actor was a bloke with the highest personal integrity, LZ, (huh , there's a connection of sorts, the LZ was witnessed by someone with the initials LZ,) .....add the testimony of Charvez, who witnessed the scrub still smoking, and its a brave (or stupid) debunker who visits this case


I think its very sad that the NICAP heirachy colluded with the theft of the metallic samples by NASA :arg:

[GeneralStriker]

Lonnie Zamora's egg
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/3684/ufozamorapaintingya6.jpg

...was really just this look-alike according to RU-
http://www.nasm.si.edu/exhibitions/attm/atmimages/67-H-1694.f.jpg

[Yex]

but...but... the Helicopters the egg, are you blind?


http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/south_yemen_af_bell_sioux_helicopter_1973.jpg

:D

[Lexion]

but...but... the Helicopters the egg, are you blind?

Only when the Repubs win an election.

:D

[Yex]

And on another debunker site, they have explained away the symbol Lonnie saw...


http://ufocon.blogspot.com/2009/04/socorrozamora-insignia-by-matthew.html

http://ufos.homestead.com/symbol.jpg


http://ufos.homestead.com/hcd3.jpg


http://ufos.homestead.com/hcd1.jpg


simple really when you are a fuckin smartarse

:roll:

[KIWI]

at a stretchhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :roll:

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some of their toys are odd, but still "of this world"

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[GeneralStriker]

i see Serp commented on this. love to get him here. he's an amazingly astute guy.

[boycotteverything]

From Bob Collins today


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This is a repeat for some, but represents why some people can't understand the EfD book except engineers...it's at a technical level on the UFO subject....Dr. Oppeheimer (typo) and Dr. von Karman are mentioned in the Air Accident Report. Hal Puthoff (at, http://www.earthtech.org/) was happy to see this since he is working on advanced propulsion ideas.

What is it?

It's not nuclear, jet or a plasma engine, but a loud whirling humming noise, see part 4.
1) Quote: The Los Alamos Tech Report (Eben Craft # 2, raw lab notes) from the Los Alamos source Charles says the following, quoting:
"The central rotating assembly is made up of four bi-polar sphere-sets held equally spaced in a metallic plate...the base plate was determined to be made of a non magnetic metal similar (but not the same having different atomic weight and valence) to magnesium, bismuth and zinc like material found in Roswell Number 1."

So what does this mean? The base plate with the 4-Spheres (surrounded by a toroid with a super conducting electron-plasma (Bose Condensate running through it) rotates at an incredibly high velocity, somewhere on the order of 100,000 rpms or greater creating a loud high pitched humming sound.

This is your NEGATIVE FORCE GENERATING SYSTEM as the tech people like to call it or anti-gravity, see Bobby Morrison's description below.

This base plate has a hole through it through which the magnetic flux passes. The entire craft acts as one big room temperature superconducting capacitor. The below Air Accident Report supports the above and below repeat.

2) Quoting from Air Accident Report on "Flying Disc" aircraft near the White Sands Proving Ground, New Mexico; D333.5 ID (16 Jul 47) signed by Twining; page 2, paragraph 2d. Sent from the Air Material Command, Wright FieldOhio to Commanding General, Washington 25 D.C.

"d. Upon examination of the interior of the craft, a compartment exhibiting a possible atomic engine was discovered. At least this is the opinion of Dr. Oppeheimer (typo) and Dr. von Karman. A possibility exists that part of the craft itself comprises the propulsion system, thus allowing the reactor to function as a heat exchanger and permitting the storage of energy into a substance for later use. This may allow the converting of mass into energy, unlike the release of energy of our atomic bombs. The description of the power room is as follows:
(1) A doughnut shaped tube approximately thirty-five feet in diameter, made of what appears to be a plastic material, surrounding a central core (see sketch in TAB1). This tube was translucent, approximately one inch thick. The tube appeared to be filled with a clear substance, possibly a heavy water (it's really a fluid electron (e)-plasma, see 2004 LANL raw report below). A large rod centered (white out used here) inside the tube, was wrapped in a coil of what appears to be of copper material, through the circumference of the tube. This may be the reactor control mechanism or a storage battery. There were no moving parts decernable (typo) within the power room nor in any of the spaces examined."
Please see PDF below which is hard to read in certain places. The quotes on this page were taken from cleaner copies. This report is missing from the Majestic Web Site.

http://www.ufoconspiracy.com/reports/airaccidentreport.pdf

Comments about this document.

a) The Accident Report is not a draft. Drafts are not signed..

b) No peer review and hence the typo mistakes, excessive commas and awkward use of words. Unless the "peer" reviewer had the proper clearances meaning MJTWELVE and or MAJIC classified documents would never get checked.

c) It was a common practice to choose selected words in a TS/Code word document so they'd have missing letters or other grammar errors to track the document and one reason documents would get "retyped" before being leaked.

d) Sources took extreme risks in leaking documents and therefore created the messy "bleed through" appearance that we see in many of those documents. This gives "plausible denial" to the subject..

Similar language used in 2004, but this time it's not nuclear.

Quote from the LANL source raw lab notes on Eben Craft # 2
"While electric charges cannot be induced from the charge-accumulating fluid or e-plasma (see above, the clear substance mentioned in the air accident report) directly through the toroid walls and edges (doughnut shaped tube mentioned above)......This "diffuse layer", as its called, of electric charge, occurs most effectively when the liquid(e-plasma) is moving, and the faster the e-plasma moves the more pronounced will be the separation effect of its electric ions....."
Comment: It's the fast moving plasma combined with the center core of 4-Spheres mounted in a center plate which rotates at super high angular velocities producing a repulsive force; Negative Force Generating System.

3)Note below the near identical language between a 2 September 1947 document and a 11 Jun 95 one.

a) From, "Flying Saucer Analytical Report" dated 2 September 1947.

Flying Saucer Analytical Report (http://www.majesticdocuments.com/pdf/rdlab_analyticalrpt2sept47.pdf), 2 September 1947 (90k)

http://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&ik=32a511b053&view=att&th=12546e16f816869b&attid=0.1.1&disp=emb&zw

b) Taken from a Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) TS/Code word document dated 11JUN 95 reference, "Exempt from Disclosure" which is not a book for beginners.

"The interior of the device contained six thousand three hundred and sixty-six (6,366) small black circular objects (.003 cm) that spins clockwise within a circular sphere filled with liquid when a demand of electricity is placed on the device. The black object apparently aggravates a liquid material, believed to be an isotope of hydrogen."

So, from this can we conclude that Flying Saucers (UFOs) use a Crystal Rectangle to power their saucers? The same Crystal Rectangle reportedly tested on the ISS?

There is nothing nuclear, jet or plasma about any of this...it's high tech all the way and alien and why folks have a hard time understanding it.
http://www.ufoconspiracy.com/reports/efd_book.htm

In plain sight as eyes are wide shut.

Cheers
Robert Collins

[boycotteverything]

More mail today. From my local UFOlogy study group. This is good news for the people of Denver.
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Great News Everyone,

Here is an email I got from Jeff Peckman in charge of the Denver ET Ballot.

""Extraterrestrial UFO ballot initiative heads for Denver election

The ballot initiative to create an Extraterrestrial Affairs Commission is finally going to Denver voters. In a letter dated November 30, Denver City Clerk and Recorder, Stephanie Y. O’Malley, confirmed sufficiency of the petition. The letter informed Jeff Peckman, chief proponent of the initiative, that “the Denver Elections Division has found a sufficient number of valid signatures to place the measure on the ballot…at the next citywide election.”

Continued: http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-2024-Denver-UFO-Examiner~y2009m11d30-Extraterrestrial-UFO-ballot-initiative-heads-for-Denver-election (http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-2024-Denver-UFO-Examiner%7Ey2009m11d30-Extraterrestrial-UFO-ballot-initiative-heads-for-Denver-election)

If you post this information or forward it to others, please include the link to the full article. Thank you.
At present, the next citywide election is scheduled for August 10, 2010, unless some unexpected "special election" is required earlier for another purpose. If that happens the ETA Commission ballot initiative will be placed in the special election.

Thank you all for your great support.

Jeff Peckman
www.extracampaign.org (http://www.extracampaign.org/) " -Jeff Peckman
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This is great news! Thought I would share.


Shannon

[mur]

The Daydream Believers of PROJECT CAMELOT (http://speculativerealms.blogspot.com/2009/12/project-camelot-daydream-believers.html)

Posted by Gary Haden / 10:54 PM /


There are a lot of folks out there on the web devoting a great deal of cyberspace to paranormal issues but few do the global reach thing more than Project Camelot. Most people who report, investigate, research, debunk, or otherwise contemplate UFOs, extraterrestrials, conspiracies, secret societies, etc., don't have an awful lot of pocket change to go jetting around this oft-visited planet to do conferences and interview exotic personalities from faraway lands.

Project Camelot is not most people.

Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy globtrot a lot. They've done conferences in Zurich, L.A., and Barcelona. When they aren't hopping a plane, they're skyping together radio shows and cobbling together mp3 files like post-it notes stuck to the fridge. These two dynamos are the most productive people in the world. They've earned their audience with E.T. based on the sheer volume of material they've pumped out alone.

They interview people who make predictions that, generally speaking, don't come true. They've struck out with Dr. Bill Deagle, Dr. Pete Peterson, and Jordan Maxwell. Deagle and Maxwell are prophets of doom and their prophecies haven't come to pass. Deagle still is carrying on about the H1N1 virus. Maxwell is still caught up in an Illuminati fog. They both, being the scholars that they are, should write books and retire from making predictions. There are too many timelines to keep up with. Then again, if we live in a multiverse, and anything that can happen has happened, Deagle and Maxwell are batting a thousand--in some Universe somewhere.

Just not this universe.

Pete Peterson predicted a November 27th disclosure of the Alien Presence by President Obama. I suppose Dr. Peterson can argue that the Norway Spiral WAS Obama's disclosure, occurring as it did virtually in sync with Obama's Nobel Prize ceremony. The Good Doctor also should be writing books.

In fact, any five PC speakers picked at random could make a mint in publishing if they just switched their categories from fact to fiction. Whitley Streiber did it. Why can't these guys? Do they know what kind of economy we live in?

Bill Ryan seems to enjoy collecting these tales. He is like a fireside aggregator. Once he's collected a nice batch, he synthesizes it and creates a metanarrative out of it. He used info gleaned from Project Camelot (PC) to construct A Tale of Two Timelines (http://projectcamelot.org/2009.html). If you don't listen to anything else from PC, listen to Ryan weave that web and you won't wonder at his storyteller acumen. He seems like a pot of golly gee mixed with plenty of pattern recognition and a pinch of daydream believing.

Kerry Cassidy is a spiritual adventurer who packs a punch. In PC interviews, Kerry is usually the one who develops a prickly demeanor when she encounters stupidity. This is why I hope I never meet her. I feel one has a right to one's stupidity and I'm afraid Cassidy would slaughter me with mine. She swelled up like a porcupine on laughing gas when she pounced on Dr. Steven Greer, who is himself capable of developing rashes of irritability that demonstrate almost anti-gravitic properties. In a messy UFO celebrity deathmatch, Cassidy whipped Greer silly. Greer haters must have burst into orgasm.

She will wax poetic from time to time about we mortals being on an evolutionary journey but she will also hang the moronic out to dry if her bullshit monitor gets crossed too severely. Ryan, by contrast, is slow to wrath and goes to extremes not to offend. That makes him a good partner for Cassidy, who, ironically, seems to be the one person Ryan will attempt to defeat in battle from time to time--especially when they skip production meetings. Ryan, being the gentleman he is, always loses to Cassidy when they fight. Mysteriously, his phone line will sometimes disconnect in an interview session. This is less likely to be the Illuminati and more likely to be Ryan's realization that he can't win and must reboot himself to restore sanity. Cassidy is most assuredly the only person who can make Bill Ryan break out in hives.

They are good together. They produce riveting content. But there is a bit of a disconnect between PC's cheerfulness and its dark content.

Some of the guests seem to be in need of a good therapist, one preferably experienced with paranoid schizophrenics. You can definitely start to believe in your own Press in esoteric circles. Some PC interviews display people not only believing their own press but living in their own worlds.

That is not really too different from the rest of us. We all have our worldviews. We all pretty much live in them. That is why the soccer mom drives the SUV to practice while Bush wipes out one million Iraqis. Her worldview entitles her to an SUV. Her way of life entitles Bush to a one-million-Iraqi wipeout.

So if your worldview features you against the Illuminati in your head and it doesn't effect anyone else how can that be called sick and Operation Iraqi Freedom sane? The schizo fighting the Illuminati in his head isn't going to wipe out one million people. He might be hurting himself and perhaps his family but he isn't going to violate the Geneva Conventions. He may be healthier trying to orient to "reality" a bit better, but even if he swore to himself that his bellyfat was an antigravity system and that he could burp himself to Mars he'd never, ever get to be as sick and demented as George Bush and Dick Cheney were in their best moments.

That doesn't keep me from wishing that Project Camelot use at least some of its funds to provide mental health referrals to some of the souls they have interviewed. I'm not saying what they contend isn't true. But I am saying that what they say could be true AND they could use some help. It seems to me if Camelot's contention is that we are evolving, then Camelot should consider itself obligated to aid in that evolution. And yes, perhaps that would mean dissuading someone convinced he is being hounded by Reptillians from looking for evidence of scales in the photographs of the rich and famous.
Maybe the Lizards are there. Maybe they aren't. But how does doggedly pursuing Reptillians help one deal with everyday life? What do you say to your wife? Honey, I'm sorry, I couldn't look for work because I was hot on the trail of ruling class lizards?
That kind of chap needs help. And I don't see that help coming from Camelot.
Yet.

http://speculativerealms.blogspot.com/2009/12/project-camelot-daydream-believers.html

[MissA]

I'm late to the Amkon party and I am very interested in this subject--in a serious manner. My background is in science so I try to approach the subject with skepticism (not cynicism) and have been able to weed out a lot of documents (very disappointing), and yet I still believe there is something to all of this.

Who do you guys recommend as a good resource, or a site that is a good resource?

[boycotteverything]

From a scientific perspective maybe try Stanton Friedman. He's a nuclear physicist and a true researcher. Read his latest book for a decent intro to the field.

[MissA]

I've been reading Stanton Friedman, and I loved the Out of The Blue (I know what i saw). Stanton is starting to seem a little...proprietary tho.

Any others?

[boycotteverything]

[OFFSITE] The Daydream Believers of PROJECT CAMELOT (http://speculativerealms.blogspot.com/2009/12/project-camelot-daydream-believers.html)



http://speculativerealms.blogspot.com/2009/12/project-camelot-daydream-believers.htmlnice blurb. i loved this-
She swelled up like a porcupine on laughing gas when she pounced on Dr. Steven Greer, who is himself capable of developing rashes of irritability that demonstrate almost anti-gravitic properties. In a messy UFO celebrity deathmatch, Cassidy whipped Greer silly. Greer haters must have burst into orgasm.perfect description of Kerry.

[boycotteverything]

I've been reading Stanton Friedman, and I loved the Out of The Blue (I know what i saw). Stanton is starting to seem a little...proprietary tho.

Any others?
John Mack, David Jacobs, Timothy Good.

[boycotteverything]

Honest men. It's actually a huge field. But those three will give you pretty decent idea of the most important schools of thought.

[MissA]

Thanks! This is what I am looking for...a spirit guide, of sorts.

[boycotteverything]

hahahaha oh- and Richard Dolan. Visit his website. He's a mindblower!

[MissA]

So what percentage of abductions do you believe are "real"?

[boycotteverything]

hard to place a percentage on an unknown number. but i think there have been millions. and the cattle mutes are another realty in this high strange phenomenon.

[MissA]

I read "Captured" and I think the problem with these stories is that they tell their story then keep going. I believe Betty and Barney Hill were abducted. I don't believe all the other stuff like the ice, the leaves, etc. I think suddenly they see aliens everywhere and it drives them crazy.

[boycotteverything]

It's hard to conceive that the Hill experience wasn't based in reality. Betty outlived Barney by many years and was used and abused by trivial 'Ufologists.' But the core story reflects a real series of events. On the other hand, Stan does need to make a living... Has he crossed the line between researcher and popularizer? Maybe so. But that in no way invalidates his earlier work, in my opinion.

[MissA]

No, I agree with you. I think he still does do good work. I don't believe he "fudges". However, he cannot conceive--or couldn't of non-propulsion technology in any way that would allow other people to contribute to his field.

I used to think Bob Lazaar was full of doodoo, but now he's back at EG&G and some of the stuff he said is panning out. Stanton took him apart for bad science and yet...that science is turning up in unexpected places.

[boycotteverything]

Actually the better source for the Hill story is the Fuller book. Stan really added nothing new in his rehash. The Fuller book is "Interrupted Journey."

[boycotteverything]

No, I agree with you. I think he still does do good work. I don't believe he "fudges". However, he cannot conceive--or couldn't of non-propulsion technology in any way that would allow other people to contribute to his field.

I used to think Bob Lazaar was full of doodoo, but now he's back at EG&G and some of the stuff he said is panning out. Stanton took him apart for bad science and yet...that science is turning up in unexpected places.True. Stan has a huge ego. He also attempted to destroy the Corso story (The Day After Roswell) although he really had no grounds. But in a sense these flights of ego and cock measuring have never been uncommon in scientific enquiry. Why should Ufers be any different from Physicists?