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GhostOfCaptSpaulding
06-09-2009, 05:40 PM
17th century urine-filled witch bottle found

During the 17th century in England, someone urinated in a jar, added nail clippings, hair and pins, and buried it upside-down in Greenwich, where it was recently unearthed and identified by scientists as being the world's most complete known "witch bottle."

This spell device, often meant to attract and trap negative energy, was particularly common from the 16th to the 17th centuries, so the discovery provides a unique insight into witchcraft beliefs of that period, according to a report published in the latest British Archaeology.

Lead researcher Alan Massey, a former chemist and honorary fellow of Loughborough University, believes "the objects found in witch bottles verify the authenticity of contemporary recipes given for anti-witchcraft devices, which might otherwise have been dismissed by us as being too ridiculous and outrageous to believe."

An Old Bailey court record from 1682 documents that a husband, believing his wife to be afflicted by witchcraft, was advised by a Spitalfields apothecary to "take a quart of your Wive's urine, the paring of her Nails, some of her Hair, and such like, and boyl them well in a Pipkin."

The excavated bottle appears to have been made according to those, or similar, instructions.

CT scans and chemical analysis, along with gas chromatography conducted by Richard Cole of the Leicester Royal Infirmary, reveal the contents of the bottle to include human urine, brimstone, 12 iron nails, eight brass pins, hair, possible navel fluff, a piece of heart-shaped leather pierced by a bent nail, and 10 fingernail clippings.

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"Naval fluff!?"

Was that on the recipe?

Lets see what Wiki has to say:

Wiki | Witch Bottle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch_bottle)

The witch bottle is a very old spell device. Its purpose is to draw in and trap evil and negative energy directed at its owner. Folk magic contends that the witch bottle protects against evil spirits and magical attack, and counteracts spells cast by witches.

A traditional witch bottle is a small flask, about 3 inches high, created from blue or green glass. Larger and rounder witch bottles, up to 9 inches high, were known as Greybeards, Bellarmine jugs, Bellarmines, or Bartmanns. Bellarmines were named after a particularly fearsome Catholic Inquisitor, Robert Bellarmine, who persecuted Protestants, was instrumental in the burning of Giordano Bruno and, in consequence, was labeled as a demon by his victims. Greybeards and Bellarmines were not made of glass, but of brown or gray stoneware that was glazed with salt and embossed with severe bearded faces designed to scare off evil.

A witch, cunning man or woman, would prepare the witch's bottle. Historically, the witch's bottle contained the victim's (the person who believed they had a spell put on them, for example) urine, hair or nail clippings, or red thread from sprite traps. In recent years, the witch's bottle has taken on a nicer tone, filled with rosemary, needles and pins, and red wine. Historically and currently, the bottle is then buried at the farthest corner of the property, beneath the house hearth, or placed in an inconspicuous spot in the house. It is believed that after being buried, the bottle captures evil which is impaled on the pins and needles, drowned by the wine, and sent away by the rosemary.

Sometimes seawater or earth are used instead. Other types of Witch-bottles may contain sand, stones, knotted threads, feathers, shells, herbs, flowers, salt, vinegar, oil, coins, or ashes. A similar magical deceive is the "lemon and pins" charm.

Another variation is within the disposal of the bottle. Some witch's bottles were thrown into a fire and when they exploded, the spell was broken or the witch supposedly killed.

This form of "bottled spell" dates back hundreds of years, and were prevalent in Elizabethan England - especially Anglia, where superstitions and belief in witches were strong. The bottles were most often found buried under the fireplace, under the floor, and plastered inside walls.

The Witch-bottle was believed to be active as long as the bottle remained hidden and unbroken. People did go through a lot of trouble in hiding their Witch-bottles - those buried underneath fireplaces have been found only after the rest of the building has been torn down or otherwise disappeared. The origins of this tradition have been dated at least to the 1500s. In ancient times the bottles were made of stone and originally contained rusty nails, urine, thorns, hair, menstrual blood, and pieces of glass, wood, and bone.

Damn, I'm fresh out of menstrual blood but I've got plenty of urine.

I'll bet I could round up some of those other ingredients forthwith.

Hey, with all the bad luck I've been attracting, it couldn't hurt...

For a comprehensive history and quite nicely detailed instructions to construct your very own witch bottle, be ye Pagan, Wiccan or otherwise, go here: The Cauldron: A Pagan Forum | Witch Bottles (http://www.ecauldron.net/witchbottle.php)

Happy spell casting!

lala
06-09-2009, 08:08 PM
The kids and I did a spell onces about 5 years ago someone got us a wishing candle and you said a spell to make your wish . . . we were having a garage sale nothing was moving it was getting later in the day . . . so I did it to kill some time with the boys . . . you lit the candle and said the words [cannot remember them now] but something about angels . . . and we wish someone would buy one of there electric bikes . . . 10 mins later it was sold . . lol . . . the kids though it was great . . . had to tell them you can only do it every now and then otherwise it won't work. :D . . . so you never know!

GhostOfCaptSpaulding
06-09-2009, 08:28 PM
Heh!

I swear, ever since I crossed that evil fat cunt I used to work with in San Jose I've had a serious run of bad luck.

We once got into a spat over one of my layouts for a client and she said something like "You don't want to be getting into a pissing match with me; you don't know who you're messing with."

Wouldn't surprise me a bit to find out that old bitch...well...who knows.

Witch bottle...worth a try; what have I got to lose?

No school like the old school.

WarlordZeroOne
06-10-2009, 10:20 AM
Did you also know with the witch's bottle and the way it reads,and a partridge in a pear tree.all that stuff in a bottle witch's piss nails fluff etc,and we think some of our society today is KINKY,we have nothing going by them in 16th and 17th centuary.

mojo
04-09-2010, 09:51 AM
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Chorlton
04-09-2010, 09:53 AM
Did you also know with the witch's bottle and the way it reads,and a partridge in a pear tree.all that stuff in a bottle witch's piss nails fluff etc,and we think some of our society today is KINKY,we have nothing going by them in 16th and 17th centuary.

You obviously havent met Sister Edwina !

Hazelnut
04-09-2010, 10:07 AM
I've not done a witch bottle, but I have done an anti-poverty spell. The talisman I created 2 years ago is still working.

I believe the trick is to put your trust in the working, allow it to achieve your purpose so that you stop worrying about things which causes those things to materialize in your life.

If you believe in your prayer/spell, it achieves the purpose of diverting your attention away from your fears and toward your desires.

Subconscious programming or magic?

mojo
04-09-2010, 10:12 AM
Subconscious programming or magic?

the former imo.

Hazelnut
04-09-2010, 10:17 AM
Could subconscious programming be magic? LOL

mojo
04-09-2010, 10:27 AM
Could subconscious programming be magic? LOL

theres plenty of reason to believe that is so.

Hazelnut
04-09-2010, 11:58 AM
I hate that the subconscious programming related to magic makes a lot of people feel uneasy when they are confronted with the idea.

I've always been fascinated by the subject ever since I was very little. The indoctrination was either fantasy, fun, imaginary or pure evil. It confused me. How could I be so interested in something that was either fiction or pure evil. Like everyone else, I thought the idea was something to stay away from unless it was Disney.

One day, a couple of years ago, my daughter sat her library books on the counter and I caught sight of the cover of the one on top of the pile. The physical reaction I had to seeing it surprised me. It was a very strong, undeniable, physical thing. The book was Llewellen's 2007 Magical Almanac.

At that moment I decided to overcome my fear and ignorance. The impression I was left with was one that compelled me to research. I'm very glad I did, even though I still have residual fear and conflict. Just nowhere near the level it once was.

The research led me along paths of discovery that (I realized later) were relevant to my personal circumstances and interests. Like time. Herbal remedies. Natural healing. Earth. Astronomy. History. Sociology. Psychology. Behavior. Etc. I learned so much and that's not a bad thing at all. The best part is that the learning never ends. There is so much to sort.

skunk
04-09-2010, 11:55 PM
The best part is that the learning never ends.

One can only hope hazel.