Paradox

[Bitchkoma]

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Jewish guy on Obama: Fuck that nigger. White Power!

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[skunk]

Ya I saw that one, but I didn't really want to post it because it was really hateful. And it also creates more hatred toward jewish people.

I have a few related links regardless since the damage is already done.

This is the guy who made the video's website: Philip Weiss (http://www.philipweiss.org/)

And from his friends website: Max Blumental (http://maxblumenthal.com/)

[offsite:1hp1vy5t]Joseph Dana, one of the co-creators of the video above, has written the following to explain why he and Max Blumenthal made the video, and what he thinks it shows:

It’s about entitlement, stupid.

Max and I went on to the streets of Jerusalem at ten o’clock on a Wednesday to ascertain the feelings of the young population about Obama’s upcoming speech in Cairo. As is often the case, the streets of central Jerusalem were not filled with native Israelis but American Jews. Doubtlessly anyone who has visited Jerusalem has encountered the droves of American Jewish kids that are sent to Israel to study for a period of time from Teaneck or Westchester. We asked people a simple question, “What do you think of Obama and Israel?” Most of the people that we talked to were dual American Israeli citizens. The answers in this video reflect the education and worrisome perspectives that many American Jews harbor towards Israeli politics. The sense of entitlement that the American Jewish community has when it comes to Israeli policy is on full raw display in the words of these young adults.

Based on our interviews these people were from high socio economic backgrounds and had developed thoughts about current Israeli politics. The question is why more journalists are not covering this story. All you have to do is walk the streets of Jerusalem and you will find dozens of people that harbor the same beliefs. As a resident of Jerusalem, I can say that the people represented in this video are not members of a fringe group or simply drunk college kids. These people reflect the sentiments shared by many people in this country and this city. These people and their families are the core of the opposition to meaningful peace between Israel and her neighbors. This is what Obama is up against.[/offsite:1hp1vy5t]

On a related note, J Street (http://www.jstreet.org/) is a sensible American/Israeli lobby calling for peace in the middle east and vehemently opposed to AIPAC and the current Israeli leadership.

[GeneralStriker]

You're right in identifying AIPAC. American Jews support the Obama approach. Two states based upon the pre-67 borders.

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

Extremists of any stripe always gotta fuck it up for the rest of us.

[theeindiee]

I am a fervent Jew basher. Not because I hate Jews, but because I think they like it. It gives them a reason to be Jewish.

I think more people should bash Jews, because honestly, Jews are asking for it. It makes them closer to God than the rest of us, and isn't that what they want? They are entitled to get what they want. God is a kind a loving God. God gives them a reason to exist in the form of Jew bashing. Ask Alice. I think she'll know.

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

Moderate people and their imaginary friends don't bother me so much.

Feed your head.

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[pack3tg0st]

Any state formed on the basis of a religion is bound to fail...

Common belief in whatever religion doesn't make you successful... You need common social goals...

fuck religion.

http://www.kriskrug.com/images/religion-kills.jpg

[Cogburn]

Mental retardation knows no religion or national boundary.

GJ targeting the drunkest people at that festival, though.

[pack3tg0st]

[ off topic ]
lol any time I hear retard...

I think of this picture...

For some reason I find it unbearably funny...

http://www.forumspile.com/Misc-Retard.jpg

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[skunk]

GJ targeting the drunkest people at that festival, though.

Did you read my post?

[theeindiee]

If you you are a Jew by chance, of course I'm not gunna bash you. I don't apologize for pretending to be racist.

[skunk]

Since my mother isn't jewish, I'm technically not a jew (right cog/be?).

[GeneralStriker]

oh fuck, man. you are whatever you want to be.

[GeneralStriker]

If you you are a Jew by chance, of course I'm not gunna bash you. I don't apologize for pretending to be racist.
hahahaha. ok. no apology required.

[Cogburn]

LOL seriously... I left all that shit WAY behind me. I've got family in Israel... right near Gaza actually... but they're Zionists so we don't talk politics or religion much when they come into the country for visits. I only get bent out of shape when people start tripping on nuking the whole region and being done with it. I could name a few American cities for targeting while you're at it.

But to answer the question, it passes maternally so you would not be recognized as being Jewish.

[GeneralStriker]

it passes maternally so you would not be recognized as being Jewish.That's not entirely correct. The largest denomination of Judaism in Britain and the US, the Reform Movement, recognizes Jewish descent from either parent. Orthodox Judaism recognizes only maternal descent except in the case of conversion. I personally received a written ruling in 1983 from Rabbi Alex Schindler, then president of the Union of American Hebrew Congregations and a very close family friend, upon the birth of my second daughter. I asked him, since her mother was Catholic, if she were considered to be a Jew. His answer was affirmative. Times change. So, yes Skunky, by Reform standards you are a Jew. (On the other hand, by Orthodox standards neither of us are Jews! But fuck those guys.)

[guinnessford]

If it passes maternally, how do people convert to Judaism?

Are they looked at in a different light, or as equals?

I think we all have to live.

And on the same note, feel we have no business pushing people around over there.

Regardless of wich side, its been going on since jesus, or whoever other semi-imaginary person was crowned...

And why dont we worship god more than jesus?

Never really understood that. He gave his son, created the earth, but were supposed to worship his son..

[pack3tg0st]

There are two different "jewish"... people often get confused...

There's Jewish as in Judaism, the religion...

And Jewish as in a race or heritage...

They just both have the same titles...

Its like English and Anglican in a way...

[skunk]

Technically the "race" would be Hebrew, and the religion would be judaism. Most of the jews today are not hebrews though.

[pack3tg0st]

Good point skunk...

but even Hebrews use the word "Jew" in both contexts lol

[skunk]

If it passes maternally, how do people convert to Judaism?

Are they looked at in a different light, or as equals?

My friend's sister thought it would be a good idea to convert to judaism...for a boyfriend. I think she's still jewish. You pretty much apply to convert and there's probably some hoops you have to jump through. Its not one of the easier religions to convert to.

To be a muslim, all you have to do is chant out loud, "There is no god but Allah; Mohammad is His Messenger" (five times I think, BK may be able to give you a better idea). Christianity is about as easy.


And why dont we worship god more than jesus?

Never really understood that. He gave his son, created the earth, but were supposed to worship his son..

Yeah its quite interesting. How you can worship jesus as god never made sense to me. The idea is that God is a triune deity (god the father, god the son, and god the holy spirit). I think if God was 3 parts it would kind of defeat the purpose of having one god.

Its another paradox, much like the hateful american/israeli jews from the OP. You'd think if you were persecuted for so long, you'd have developed a sense of compassion for other marginalized groups. It seems to have worked in the opposite direction for these folks, much like their fundamental "allies" in the US.

But whatever, I don't bother with those asshats much these days. My family is religious and I can't have a very deep conversation with them about God without it turning out badly for me.

[guinnessford]

Im not religious, but not anti-religious, either.

Just too many unanswered questions for me, along with the "my gods better than your god" deal.

Makes a lil more sense to me, the race/religion thing.

But I dont think Ill ever understand the worship jesus thing.

Never had anyone explain it to me where I had an acceptable response.

Even preachers/clergy have given me the 'ol because its the way it is answer...

Why not worship god, the creator?

Why worship the kid he sacrificed, supposedly for our sins, most of wich werent even commited yet?

Jesus didnt create anything, besides being a carpenter.

God created the earth supposedly in 6 days, ya know?

I think if I ever was to worship someone/something, Id have to go to the top.

And besides, if he created everything, and was all powerful, why the hell did he have to give his "only begotten son"?

Why not just wiggle his nose like Bewitched, or a "Yapple Dapple" or something, and make it all right?

Seems like if he was as powerful as all these books and religions say he was, shoulda been able to get him out of being crucified, any good lawyer coulda got him off with probation or something...

[Cogburn]

If it passes maternally, how do people convert to Judaism?

Are they looked at in a different light, or as equals?

My friend's sister thought it would be a good idea to convert to judaism...for a boyfriend. I think she's still jewish. You pretty much apply to convert and there's probably some hoops you have to jump through. Its not one of the easier religions to convert to.

To be a muslim, all you have to do is chant out loud, "There is no god but Allah; Mohammad is His Messenger" (five times I think, BK may be able to give you a better idea). Christianity is about as easy.


And why dont we worship god more than jesus?

Never really understood that. He gave his son, created the earth, but were supposed to worship his son..

Yeah its quite interesting. How you can worship jesus as god never made sense to me. The idea is that God is a triune deity (god the father, god the son, and god the holy spirit). I think if God was 3 parts it would kind of defeat the purpose of having one god.

Its another paradox, much like the hateful american/israeli jews from the OP. You'd think if you were persecuted for so long, you'd have developed a sense of compassion for other marginalized groups. It seems to have worked in the opposite direction for these folks, much like their fundamental "allies" in the US.

But whatever, I don't bother with those asshats much these days. My family is religious and I can't have a very deep conversation with them about God without it turning out badly for me.
If the God of Abraham is like Zeus, all other supernatural entities are like the rest of the pantheon.

Angels, Demons, Mary, Joesph, the Saints, Elijah, Enoch, Ruth... all have their own devotees within their respective sects.

Monotheism is a lie.

[boycotteverything]

The key to the divinity of Jesus is essentially Greek. The Roman Catholic Trinity represents the Dialectic of God. It's an essentially Socratic concept with the 'holy ghost' (the Hebraic idea of the Shekinah) representing the outcome (synthesis) of Creation.

In terms of the Jewish 'race'- the term 'Jew' is derived from Judah (Judea), the nation of Saul, David and Solomon (ca. 900 BCE.) The religion predates the times of David by 500 years- to the times of Moses. The 'race', on the other hand, is Hebraic, predating the establishment of nation of Judea by 3000 years dating from the times of Abraham. That's the sense in which Judaism is a race, a nation and a religion at the same time. The Synoptic Gospels all make the point that Jesus was a descendant of David and therefore a Jew in all three senses in keeping with the belief that the messiah (ha meshiach) would come about from the Chosen of God. The Gospel writers were Jews, afterall, and viewed the the Synthesis of history through the Jewish lense. There's really nothing more to it than that. For Marc, Luke and Mathew Jacob's 'struggle' with God, i'e' 'Ish-ra-el', had to culminate in a Jewish messiah. There could have been no other choice for them.

[boycotteverything]

But more on 'Ish-ra-el.' It means, "He fought with God (El)." It's the name assumed by Jacob after struggling with an angel of El in the desert. But what or whom was that angel of God (El)? To Reform Jews it represents the struggle with the very nature of 'belief.' That said, Jews are therefore conjoined to struggle with that very concept. The calling to struggle with the question of 'God' is the very highest of callings. I ask myself every day- why don't all people do that?

[guinnessford]

If the God of Abraham is like Zeus, all other supernatural entities are like the rest of the pantheon.

Angels, Demons, Mary, Joesph, the Saints, Elijah, Enoch, Ruth... all have their own devotees within their respective sects.

Monotheism is a lie.

Could you put that in terms a semi-educated mechanic would understand?

You too, BE...

Sorry, Im not that well equipped with words.

If it was a carburetor, or transmission Id get it real quick!

[mojo]

i guess im Sumerian.....on my mothers side.....but mostly homo ERECTUS on my fathers side, damn morning glory's.

[boycotteverything]

But I dont think Ill ever understand the worship jesus thing.

Never had anyone explain it to me where I had an acceptable response.

Even preachers/clergy have given me the 'ol because its the way it is answer...

Why not worship god, the creator? The key to the answer is in the Roman Catholic concept of Trinity. All the esoteric mystery of Catholicism is contained in that simple formulation. What it describes is the process of Creation in Dialectical, i.e. Platonist terms. In those terms the Process consists of three principles: Thesis, Antithesis and Synthesis analogous in Catholic terms to the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. These are not Gods in themselves but rather the essential modes of the One God. 'Dialectic' describes what is known as the Socratic (or Platonist) Method. It is the method used by Socrates, as told to us by his pupil- Plato to uncover and reveal the nature of reality by identifying and destroying learned assumptions and unfounded beliefs. The process consists of posing a proposition, contradicting (or negating) it and then progressing to a novel vision based upon a hybrid of the two opposing theses which then becomes the point of departure for the next set of postulates. So it is dynamic in progression towards resolution- a process. The method, in Plato's view, is not metaphorical but rather reflective of the very process it seeks to describe- and is in that sense a description of God. Does that make sense to you so far?

[boycotteverything]

And so in the most exquisite sense of Catholic/Christian knowledge the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are not mundane things-in-themselves but rather the essential elements of the Process of Creation, which Process is actually God him/herself. All the rest of religion is simply window dressing and facade!

[guinnessford]

A little better, but still doesnt explain why the church would have you worship the kid, than the "All powerful Creator"

Kinda like giving a laborer credit for building and designing the Eiffel tower, just cuz he had his hand in it.

Doesnt it make more sense to give faith, and worship to the guy at the top, and not the one he gave up for slaughter?

And could you, or anyone of the other well-educated people try to put into words why this all-powerful, all-knowing omnipresent "God" wasnt able to either smooth things over or even eliminate the need for crucifixion in the first place?

Seems he may have been either under powered or slightly inept at being "all powerful" judging by that act alone.

And why the hell didnt he offer himself up, instead of his only son?

If it was me, I sure as hell would get in line before my kid.

[boycotteverything]

In the deepest sense of authentic Catholic Dialectic there is no 'all powerful' God proactive in existence. The dirty little secret is that there is nothing but a Process described by three disinterested Principles. You're focusing on the window dressing. Neither the Father nor the Son have independent actuality and the Holy Spirit is always in the process of 'becoming.'

[guinnessford]

So its basically a theory that people hang their lives on/in.

Even giving the fairy tale book credit by following their story, there alot of holes in the plot, and it seems to be poorly written all around.

And im not being anti-catholic, or chritian, or whatever.

Just speaking of what ive gathered over the past few years of interest into it.