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Ducky
06-05-2009, 10:58 PM
Let's look at this in a somewhat logical way:

Definition of Reincarnation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reincarnation):

[offsite:1b9rovpk]Reincarnation, literally "to be made flesh again", is a doctrine or metaphysical belief that some essential part of a living being (in some variations only human beings) survives death to be reborn in a new body. This essential part is often referred to as the spirit or soul, the "higher" or "true" self, "divine spark", or "I". According to such beliefs, a new personality is developed during each life in the physical world, but some part of the self remains constant throughout the successive lives.[1][/offsite:1b9rovpk]

What about our thoughts?

Would this NOT contribute to ascending/descending in that traditional sense?

From my gathering:

* All actions in this present life contribute towards where we will exact our next 'corporeal' life. Thus sayeth KARMA.

What about our THOUGHTS? Does this have any bearing?

One would think so, as a thought does preceed an action.

Would certain (continual thoughts) that pervades throughout one's lifetime have any bearing unto the next realm?

SCIENCE has proved that there is cellular memory (http://www.skepdic.com/cellular.html)

[offsite:1b9rovpk]Cellular memory is the speculative notion that human body cells contain clues to our personalities, tastes, and histories, independently of either genetic codes or brain cells. The magical thinking of our ancestors may account for the first beliefs in something like cellular memory. Eating the heart of a courageous enemy killed in battle would give one strength. The practice of eating various animal organs associated with different virtues such as longevity or sexual prowess* is one of the more common forms of magical thinking among our earliest ancestors. Even today, some people think that eating brains will make them smarter...[/offsite:1b9rovpk]

The above site that I quoted is ONE aspect.

Here is another:

Cellular Memory in Organ Transplants (http://www.med.unc.edu/wellness/main/links/cellular%20memory.htm)

[offsite:1b9rovpk]Current understandings about memory, for example, place this mental capacity solely as a function of the brain. However, the process of memory may be too complex to be explained by measuring brain activity through electroencephalograms or oxygen uptake as recorded on PET scans. Looking at memory as part of the quantum world of sub-atomic systems gives the visual image of tiny specks whizzing around every which way until there is a need for them to come together into some sort of pattern of awareness. But, where do the memories reside?[/offsite:1b9rovpk]

Read More HERE (http://www.med.unc.edu/wellness/main/links/cellular%20memory.htm)

Can what we do in this lifetime depend on 'past' cellular experiences?

As well as...what our thoughts entail.

Every THOUGHT and every DEED must conform to the present, with respect to every nuance, and THESE in total, are the sum and future of what is to come.

Ducky
06-05-2009, 11:11 PM
I take it that nobody cares to comment eh?

All's the more....pity.

skunk
06-05-2009, 11:16 PM
I used to believe the soul has many lives until it learns certain lessons and can move on to the next existence, whatever that may be. Now I'm not sure.

There is something to genetic memory and remembering past lives of our ancestors to a certain extent. I believe we have a connection to those who have come before us, both human and nonhuman. Whether or not we can remember past lives (that is, if they exist) I'm not sure.

I feel like an old soul, and I've heard you say that about yourself as well ducky, and I can pick up on other "old souls." Most people I know are not...There has to be something to that perception, whether it is picking up maturity level, intelligence, or in fact, an "old soul" who has lived more than one life before this one.

FancyFree
06-05-2009, 11:17 PM
well i think there could be a link between reincarnation and say...child genius, savants or even just advanced intelligence all together. In particular, very young children that can play complex music compositions without having ever learned to formally play. How else can that be explained?????

Ducky
06-05-2009, 11:22 PM
I feel like an old soul, and I've heard you say that about yourself as well ducky

I'm having a deja vous as well.

Reminds me of the Star Trek episode: Cause and Effect

Seems like we talked about this before.

Ducky
06-05-2009, 11:24 PM
well i think there could be a link between reincarnation and say...child genius, savants or even just advanced intelligence all together. In particular, very young children that can play complex music compositions without having ever learned to formally play. How else can that be explained?????

Makes one wonder where they captured this talent eh?

Good point Jess!

FancyFree
06-05-2009, 11:31 PM
TY Ducky!!!!

:)

Ducky
06-05-2009, 11:32 PM
TY Ducky!!!!

:)

You're welcome babes!

torbjon
06-06-2009, 01:30 AM
George Carlin did a bit about reincarnation... There were fewer people in the past than there are today... so where do the new souls come from? are they other plants / animals that had bad karma and are now being punished by spending this life as a human??

I'm not fond of the traditional reincarnation concept. I feel that it stinks of predeterminationism and that it takes away from the successes and failures of the individual. ("oh, my life sucks now because I fucked up in a past life" kinda thing rather than "oh, my life sucks now because I'm a stupid fucking moron")

I'm a bigger believer in 'you are what you eat' (consume). This makes much more sense to me. You mentioned cellular memory earlier... things die, some of their cells are incorporated into other living things, ad infinitum. Junior is a musical whiz 'cause mom ate an apple that came from a tree that came from an apple that came from a tree next to Mozarts grave or some such....

theeindiee
06-06-2009, 01:44 AM
Well sure reincarnation exists. You're talking about it, aren't you? I know I know.... I was supposed to be gone to teh farm.

I've had a change of....view.

But to say who's an old soul, and who's a new soul... is this really relevant? This is assuming that there was a time when Creation wasn't happening. If creation is infinite and eternal... the play of creation and destruction is infinite and eternal. You probably chose to forget at some point so you could enjoy the journey of remembering again, choosing different epochs and ages and whatnot to become enlightened and then dull and then enlightened again, so you could be the audience, as well as the actors, as well as the playwrites, as well as the costume designers, stagehands, set decorators, as well as the owner of the theater, the theater itself, as well as the people walking outside of the theater who have no idea there's a play going on inside, as well as yada yada yada and so on and so forth until neverever forever.

That might be too frightening of a thought for some. The beauty and the horror.... the pain and the pleasure... the living and the dead.

I think I'm getting a lung infection. How much whiskey does it take to kill bacterial pneumonia?

Karma stinks of sin. Sin is a lie they tell children so they eat their peas and carrots.