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skunk
06-05-2009, 09:45 PM
So I decided to do a bit of digging into the recent Air France crash, and I found an interesting article to say the least. It has been reproduced on all the big name websites (rense, whatreallyhappened, david icke, rumormill news, etc etc).

Below is the link to rumormillnews.com where I found it first. I will quote the source in its entirety so you don't have to go snooping around that website if you don't want to.

Dick Eastman: I Know What Happened To Air France 447 (http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=148191)

[offsite:51mewhwv]I know what happened to the Air France Flight 447.

by Dick Eastman

According to Air France CEO Pierre-Henry Gourgeon the Air France AirBus flying from Rio to Paris transmitted "a succession of a dozen technical messages" indicated that "several electrical systems had broken down'' which caused a "totally unprecedented situation in the plane.''
Gourgeon is wrong. The events that resulted in the death of 128 people over the Atlantic were precedented. There have been several similar events.

Reuters has reported that AirBus is claiming that the Airbus A330 has a good safety record, with no fatal accidents on a commercial flight. This is a falsehood that Reuters did not bother to correct.

In Miami in 1999 pilot and co-pilot of an American Airlines Airbus A300 about to land suddenly lost control of the plane to an exogenous agency. The rudder moved several times on its own. "The rudder movements were extreme" said the NTSP.

On Novemeber 12, 2001 American Airlines flight 587, an Airbus A300, lost control to a remote agency resulting in the rudder suddenly swinging back and forth violently, beyond the normal range that can be effected from the cockpit. The flight data showed "unusual sideways movements that slammed passengers back and forth," repeated banging which caused tremendous strain of the vertical stabilizer until it broke off, despite the strengh of the lamination construction. The passengers were slamed back and forth prior to the crash in Queens, New York. But that was not all. After the rudder was gone the remote controller began playing with other equipment. With the rudder gone the rudder could still fly, however no the ailerons and elevators (the "flaps") began moving in fatal ways. At one point was made to turn 10 degrees in just one second, and 180 degree turn in 18 seconds. The plane banked left, even though data shows pilots were working controls to move in the opposite direction." The black box contained pilot and co-pilot and tower dialog on this but it was never released. (Marion Blakey, head of the NTSB, a Bush political appointee with no experience for th job, who was also heading NTSP a month before when the WTC was hit by two planes, the crash in Pennsylvania and the alleged crash of a jetliner at the Pentagon.) After these turns the remote controller put the plane into a nose dive and cut off the voice recorder, both the plane's regular power and batteries. The plane was brought to full throttle and then the flaps were brought down, causing the engine pods to rip off their brackets and keep going as the plane slowed down. The N.T.S.B. offered only two possible explanations, either "the pilot made the rudder move intentionally or by accident" or the plane was brought down by "butterfly effect" turbulence from a Japan Airlines plane that had taken off ahead of the AirBus.

Now perhaps we can begin to suspect that there was someone on that Air France Flight that the people who benefited from the remote-control crash of the 9-11 planes and the 11/12/01 plane did not like.
By the way, Dov Zakheim is the man I think is responsible for the 9-11 crashes and one more crash which occured on the early morning of October 31, 1999.

That Halloween morning EgyptAir 990, a Boeing 767 took off from JFK for Cairo, Egypt. The plane had aboard 22 top Egyptian military that had just received special training in the United States -- lured into this trap by the bait of the unusual sharing of military information. At about 2:00 a.m., from the vocie recorder, the Egyptian pilot excuses himself to go to the toilet. The pilot and co-pilot are Egyptian and they speak Arabic. But suddenly there is heard on the voice recording, in English, the words, "Control it." Then the plane deviates from course on its own while still on automatic pilot. The pilot responds to this event with an exclaimatory prayer: "Taw ak kalt ala Allah," roughly equivalent to "Heaven help us!" "May God protect us!" if not "Jesus Christ!" The co-pilot attempts to disengage autopilot, but the remote controller will not yield. The co-pilot is in a panic and again praying for help. The plane, still on auto-pilot goes into a nose dive. After 16 seconds of remote-controlled hijacking the pilot re-enters the cockpit and asks the co-pilot what is happening. Both work to pull up and as they are both trying the plane goes full throttle. The co-pilot cuts the fuel lines. Then, again under remote control the right and left elevators move in opposite directions. Ailerons on both wings move full up. The pilot orders, in Arabic, "shut engines." The co-pilot replies: "They're shut!" The last words heard are those of the pilot calling out, of course still in Arabic, "Pull! Pull!" Then, exactly as happened with Flight 587 over Queens, the voice recorders are remotely shut off -- before the crash event. The US NTSB reached the conclusion -- against all of this evidence -- that the co-pilot was somehow responsible.

Some passenger in Miami in 1999 needed to be fightened by a demonstration of power. Someone aboard Flight 587 was a problem for the criminal conspiracy now in control of the US and Israeli governments. And someone on the Air France flight was equally a threat or target of vengence for the same interests.

You will notice the lame excuses why the Air France black boxes cannnot be recovered.

9-11 was not the work of "Islamic Fundamentalists" who "hate our freedoms" and therefore hijacked four jetliners on September 11 and and crashbombed the WTC towers and the Pentagon. No one can argue the REAL evidence proving this. (They can and do of course argue, for example on Fox News, with people who have impossible theories about no planes at all hitting the WTC or absurd tales about energy beam weapons in orbit bringing down the twin towers and Building 7 -- but that is part of the pre-planned disinformation obstruction of justice psy-op the perpetrators are using.

I suspect the target of the crash was French and an opponent of the Sarkozy, the very close supporter of the agendas of both the Bush and Obama presidencies in international financial matters and middle east and war on terror policies.

The victims of this murder were from 32 countries. 61 were French, 58 were Brazilian and 26 were Germans. No Israelis were aboard or American Jews were aboard. Sarkozy's French Environment Minister, Jean-Louis Borloo, has declared officially that hijacking has been ruled out. How in the name of Allah could they possible have done that in the light of the facts I have relayed to you which are certainly known to them?

One more point: The international killers crashed the Air France plane in part because they were secure in the knowledge that the Sarkozy government, like the Bush government in 2001, would do all that was necessary to keep the truth from being told. The black boxes will never be produced -- I haven't been following the news for since the day of the crash, but I feel that is a safe prediction.

Please share this!

Death by airplane has been the preferred method of eliminating individuals without drawing suspicion to the specific background and connections of an "isolated victim." We can't let them continue to get away with it.

Dick Eastman
Yakima, Washington
Every man is responsible to every other man.[/offsite:51mewhwv]

skunk
06-05-2009, 09:47 PM
On a related note:

Dov S. Zakheim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dov_S._Zakheim)

[offsite:33q76gr7]In a document called "Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century" published by The American Enterprise's "Project for a New American Century"(1), System Planning Corporation (SPC) International executive, Dov Zakheim, called for "some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor" being necessary to foster the frame of mind needed for the American public to support a war in the Middle East that would politically and culturally reshape the region. A respected and established voice in the intelligence community, his views were eagerly accepted, and Dov went from his position at Systems Planning Corporation to become the Comptroller of the Pentagon in May 2001. (2) Perhaps not so coincidentally, it was an SPC subsidiary, TRIDATA CORPORATION, that oversaw the investigation after the terrorist attack on the World Trade Center in 1993.

SPC, according to their official website, specializes in many areas of defense technology production and manufacture, including a system developed by their Radar Physics Group called the Flight Termination System, or FTS.(3) This is a system used to destroy target drones (craft that would be fired on by test aircraft or weaponry) in the event of malfunction or "misses". This highly sophisticated war-game technology allows the control of several 'drones' from a remote location, on varying frequencies, and has a range of several hundred miles. This technology can be used on many different types of aircraft, including large passenger jets.


....



EDITORIAL RESPONSE TO READERS' COMMENTS: In response to some of our readers who have questioned our premise that it was Rabbi Dov Zakheim who 'called for' the Pearl Harbor type of incident, we here at Conspiracy News Net acknowledge that the PNAC document was written by the likes of William Kristol and Donald Kagan, and therefore as the real brains behind the agenda they are the ones calling for it in a literal sense. However, we do stand by our assertion that the Rabbi called for it as well, insofar that he signed his name onto this document. If he signed it he agrees with it and therefore he is calling for it.

Some of you have argued that we are singling out Rabbi Zakheim because he is Jewish, implying that we are pushing some sort of twisted anti-semetic agenda while noting that he is not the only one who signed the PNAC document and therefore wondering why our article is about him and not the others. We do not mean to imply that the Rabbi acted alone, our article simply points out that Rabbi Zakheim had access to things like structural integrity, blueprints and any number of important facets of information about the WTC through his work with TRIDATA CORPORATION in the investgation of the bombing of the WTC in 1993. That he had access to REMOTE CONTROL Technology through his work at System Planning Corporation (SPC). That he had access to BOEING AIRCRAFT through a lease deal HE BROKERED while working at the Pentagon. And finally that he was part of a group of politically radical Straussian Neo-Conservatives, who, through their association with PNAC, called for restructuring of the Middle East, noting that a Pearl Harbor type of event MAY BE NEEDED to foster the frame of mind required for the American public to accept such a radical foreign policy agenda. In light of all this information we here at Conspiracy News Net stand by our statement that Mr. Zakheim not only called for the slamming of the WTC Towers on 9-11, but he activily took part in their demolition by providing the logistics necessary for such an attack to occur.[/offsite:33q76gr7]

skunk
06-05-2009, 10:00 PM
This is the PDF file in wikipedia that is cited with Dov being part of SPC. Note the familiar faces...Wolfowitz, Kristol, Kagan, Scooter Libby, etc.

Gotta love the neocon scum. They love to run in rat packs.

PNAC: Rebuilding America's Defenses (http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf)


[offsite:3dagtwfg]PROJECT PARTICIPANTS

Roger Barnett
U.S. Naval War College

Alvin Bernstein
National Defense University

Stephen Cambone
National Defense University

Eliot Cohen
Nitze School of Advanced International Studies,
Johns Hopkins University

Devon Gaffney Cross
Donors' Forum for International Affairs

Thomas Donnelly
Project for the New American Century

David Epstein
Office of Secretary of Defense,
Net Assessment

David Fautua
Lt. Col., U.S. Army

Dan Goure
Center for Strategic and International Studies

Donald Kagan
Yale University

Fred Kagan
U. S. Military Academy at West Point

Robert Kagan
Carnegie Endowment for International Peace

Robert Killebrew
Col., USA (Ret.)

William Kristol
The Weekly Standard

Mark Lagon
Senate Foreign Relations Committee

James Lasswell
GAMA Corporation

I. Lewis Libby
Dechert Price & Rhoads

Robert Martinage
Center for Strategic and Budgetary
Assessment

Phil Meilinger
U.S. Naval War College

Mackubin Owens
U.S. Naval War College

Steve Rosen
Harvard University

Gary Schmitt
Project for the New American Century

Abram Shulsky
The RAND Corporation

Michael Vickers
Center for Strategic and Budgetary
Assessment

Barry Watts
Northrop Grumman Corporation

Paul Wolfowitz
Nitze School of Advanced International
Studies, Johns Hopkins University

Dov Zakheim
System Planning Corporation

The above list of individuals participated in at least one project meeting or contributed a paper for
discussion. The report is a product solely of the Project for the New American Century and does not
necessarily represent the views of the project participants or their affiliated institutions.[/offsite:3dagtwfg]

Cogburn
06-05-2009, 10:31 PM
Passenger list. It's incomplete so far, but it's growing daily. Given that it's all foreign entities, no FOIA for you.

AirFrance will be releasing the complete manifest once all families have been contacted.

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/air-france-flight-447-passenger-list

Eirch Heine - President of Admistration Council of ThyssenKrupp-Companhia Siderurgica do Atlantico(CSA)
Gianni Zortea - Mayor, Canal San Bovo - Italy
Marcelo Parente - Chief of Staff of Rio de Janeiro Mayor
Pedro Luiz de Orleans e Braganca - Prince - Descendant of Don Pedro II Brazilian Emperor 1822-1831

Lot of probably targets in there.

hp
06-05-2009, 10:32 PM
May be we a seeing the report of a flaw in the airbus software. Given some out of range or near out of range input the system cannot cope with them.

skunk
06-05-2009, 10:43 PM
The author of the article claims it was a hit on Sarkozy's enemies, but who knows. My girlfriend seems to think it was one of those chartered airliners with high profile people (and no hit).

Considering its an Air France flight from Rio to Paris, its not exactly going to be filled with the urban poor...

Cogburn
06-05-2009, 10:55 PM
Pedro Luiz de Orleans e Braganca was a Hapsburg.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_II_of_Brazil#Ancestry

Delicious.

skunk
06-05-2009, 11:05 PM
There's now an unofficial website dedicated to the lives lost on flight 447.

Unofficial Air France 447 Passenger List (http://www.airfrance447.com/06/02/unofficial-air-france-447-passenger-list/)

[offsite:9xm75p1h]* Eirch Heine - President of the Administration Council of ThyseenKrupp-Companhia Siderugica do Atlantico(CSA)
* Luis Roberto Anastacio - President of Michelin South America
* Antonio Guerios - IT Director, Michelin
* Christin Pieraerts - Michelin Employee
* Dr. Roberto Correa Chem - Plastic Surgeon, Director of Skin Bank and Chief of Plastic Surgery Service of Porto Alegre Hospital
* Vera Chem, Wife of Dr. Chem
* Leticia Chem, Daughter of Dr. Chem, International Roaming Manager of OI Phone company
* Deise Possamai
* Marcelo Parente - Chief of Staff of Rio de Janeiro Mayor
* Leonardo Veloso Dardengo - Oceanographer
* Pedro Luiz de Orleans e Braganca, Prince, Descendant of Don Pedro II, Brazilian Emperor 1822-1831
* Rino Zandonai - Director of Trentini Nel Mondo Onlus Association, Italy
* Giambattista Lenzi - Regional Conselor of the Trentino Alto Adige, Italy
* Gianni Zortea - Mayor, Canal San Bovo, Italy
* Silvio Barbato - Conductor, Rio Municipal Theater
* Aisling Butler, 26, Doctor
* Brad Clemes, 49 - Canadian from Guelph, Ontario; Coca-Cola executive
* Arthur Coakley, 61; British, Structural Engineer for PDMS
* Jane Deasy, 27; Irish; Doctor
* Michael Harris, 60: American from Lafayette, Louisiana; Geologist
* Anne Harris; American, Wife of Michael Harris
* Zoran Markovic, 45; Croatian, from Kosteji, Croatia; Sailor
* Eithne Walls, 29; Irish; Doctor
* Alexander Bjoroy, 11; British
* Xiao Xang, 35, Chinese Scientist
* Ku Hak-rim, 39; Korean, Head of Shipping Company
* Hatem Zrelli, 30; French-Tunisian, Control Agent for Carrefoure
* Audrey Zrelli, 27; Wife of Hatem Zrelli
* Sana Zrelli, 3; Daughter of Audrey and Hatem Zrelli
* Jassem Zrelli, 1; Son of Audrey and Hatem Zrelli
* Kartsten Moholt, 58 - Company director
* Karsten Aleksander Moholt, 35 - Company director (son of Karsten Moholt).
* Christiane Zeuthen, 47- Shock and Trauma Therapist[/offsite:9xm75p1h]

Ducky
06-05-2009, 11:09 PM
That's a LOT of reading for a Friday nite!

Cogburn
06-05-2009, 11:45 PM
Hmmm...

Giovanni Battista Lenzi (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.regione.taa.it/archivi/consiglio_regionale/consiglieri/dettaglio_consiglieri.asp%3Fconsigliere1%3D1936)
Leonardo Veloso Dardengo (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://lattes.cnpq.br/6817792855778602&ei=ZdIpSsakH4LcMOP65d4J&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DLeonardo%2BVeloso%2BDardengo%2B-447%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26rlz%3D1C1GGLS_enUS322 US322%26sa%3DG)
Hatem Zrelli (http://fr-fr.facebook.com/people-index/Hatem%20Zrelli)

Nothing really juicy yet... well... besides the death (assassination?) of the heir to the throne of Brazil and Mexico...

GhostOfCaptSpaulding
06-06-2009, 03:54 AM
Fuck!

[offsite:17eavzyb]The reason lightning doesn't strike twice in the same place is that the same place isn't there the second time.
Willie Tyler[/offsite:17eavzyb]

theeindiee
06-06-2009, 04:07 PM
Now THAT is an interesting passenger manifest!!! I'll bet that any plane that packed full of royals and officialdom would go down like a mountain of lead, basaed upon the weight of sheer arrogance alone!

GhostOfCaptSpaulding
06-06-2009, 04:13 PM
The thing is, wouldn't a remote controller need to be within a certain range to effect control?

In the middle of the Atlantic, during a heavy storm?

theeindiee
06-06-2009, 04:16 PM
If someone was really creative, they could get a remote to work almost anywhere.

I'm not creative like that. I want to be, though. I have vowed to become an evil genius in order to save the world.

GhostOfCaptSpaulding
06-06-2009, 04:19 PM
The world will save itself.

It'll do fine without us... :mrgreen:

skunk
06-06-2009, 08:15 PM
goos: satellites.

GhostOfCaptSpaulding
06-06-2009, 08:37 PM
...yeah I know, and directed energy weapons and remote viewing and secret space stations and soul catchers...wait...

Satellites?

hmmm...

pack3tg0st
06-06-2009, 08:42 PM
AM radio waves can travel halfway around the world if the atmospheric conditions are right...

Satalite is viable too... think XM/Sirius and the GPS network... those are in "constant broadcast mode"...

Timer works...

but a bomb wouldn't register as electrical error would it?

Sabotage maybe... but I don't know if a bomb would give much time for an error report transmission...automated or no...

hp
06-06-2009, 10:02 PM
Software failure do to input problems. Air speed monitors seem to be to starting point.

pack3tg0st
06-06-2009, 10:15 PM
I don't know.. I"m just not seeing a conspiracy here...

maybe my tin foil hat isn't on tight enough or something...

hp
06-06-2009, 10:19 PM
I think the plane ended up in conditions that it could not cope with and ended up destroyed. How many of us know what computers can do when things go wrong. The Airbus version of the blue screen of death.

pack3tg0st
06-06-2009, 10:21 PM
lol

http://bagelofeverything.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/abort-retry-fail.jpg

hp
06-06-2009, 10:28 PM
Aw, crap, they told us to never respond with the F key...

So these people claim copyright to a NASA picture after adding text.

pack3tg0st
06-06-2009, 10:40 PM
I guess so lol

lame.

Bill... DCMA their ass!

hp
06-06-2009, 11:07 PM
Time to start another conspiracy.

An update disk for the Airbus flight control software was infected with a virus. It is rumored that one of the factors to active is trans oceanic flights when the date is the 1st or 17th.

Cogburn
06-07-2009, 01:54 AM
Those are embedded systems.

A virus for flight control software?

That's not net-nerds...

hp
06-07-2009, 10:19 AM
The software can still be changed...it upgradable.

hp
06-07-2009, 10:22 AM
The captain has informed us, that due to a flaw in the original flight control system, flushing the toilet in flight will crash the plane. The flight attendants will be distributing cups for your convenience.

pack3tg0st
06-07-2009, 11:39 AM
possibly in bad taste:

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guinnessford
06-07-2009, 02:47 PM
Any possibility they may be trying to set people in S.A. politics, that way we have an "arm" closer to Chavez?

Taking some of those people out with a crash, and inserting some select few into the gov. down there?

Cogburn
06-07-2009, 03:14 PM
It was mostly low level functionaries within national politics... mayors and what not.

Not to mention this plane was from Brazil and not Venezuela.

guinnessford
06-10-2009, 12:24 AM
True, but still neighbors.

Maybe Im rechin a little far, but maybe??