Passing The Buck Or Admitting Defeat?

[Ducky]

Either way, men are proving that they are just as infalliable as their counterparts - women.

Men say women are wrong; Women say men are wrong.

Can two wrongs make a right, or have we basically omitted an important component from the equation from history's get go?

[offsite:69myfcsv]Women - why aren't you running the world yet? Frankly I'm disappointed in you. Men are still far too dominant for their own good, and consequently we've made a testosterone-sodden pig's ear of just about everything: politics, the economy, religion, the environment ... you name it, it's in a gigantic man-wrought mess. The world's been one big dick-swinging contest, and we've caught our collective glans in a nearby desk fan. By rights we should be squealing for your help, but we're not, because we're too damn stupid and too damn proud. We swagger convincingly, and that's about it. And swaggering's fine for scraping by in primitive times, but the world we've built is altogether more complex now. We've got stock exchanges and nuclear warheads. It's too easy to swagger your way into big trouble without even realising. Well, we've had our turn. It's time for the Rise of the Ladies...[/offsite:69myfcsv]

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[skunk]

I love when people say women/men will save the world. Both sexes are equally fucked.

[Alessandra]

I love when people say women/men will save the world. Both sexes are equally fucked.

I like how you gave it time to sink in, before you said we're all fucked. Did you ever stop to really think about it? Men really fucked things up, but you wont even bother giving women a try.

Wow.

[boycotteverything]

women are neither superior nor inferior to men, but in my view- a lot better to look at.

Compliments of Magritte:

http://www.artchive.com/artchive/m/magritte/magritte_mask.jpg

[skunk]

Are you serious chiiru? "Men" ruined this world? A group of men, maybe. Not "men" in general. That's equally as ridiculous as blaming Eve for your periods.

If women want a chance to fuck up the planet, by all means go ahead. Just don't expect sympathy when your PMSing and you start world war three.

[boycotteverything]

chubby dilettante dopers with unfortunate complexions will not start WWIII. just so you know...

[Ducky]

"Men" ruined this world? A group of men, maybe. Not "men" in general.

If women want a chance to fuck up the planet, by all means go ahead.

What I'm saying, is that, had men AND women been at the forefront (side-by-side) since recorded history, then there wouldn't be need to stick the finger of blame to one gender or another.

Equal opportunity to either fuck it all up, or be much better ahead than we are at present.

It's a time in history where one sex was deliberately held back (*insert whatever reason here*), that COULD have changed the face of this planet for the better. But we'll never know that, because it never happened (yet), and there's no real basis for comparison.

[Alessandra]

Are you serious chiiru? "Men" ruined this world? A group of men, maybe. Not "men" in general. That's equally as ridiculous as blaming Eve for your periods.

If women want a chance to fuck up the planet, by all means go ahead. Just don't expect sympathy when your PMSing and you start world war three.

Ruin was not my word. I said fucked up.

And some of the same men who fucked shit up, also were against free thinking women.

While now women have more of a chance against men, its still not completely fair, salary wise, etc. There is still the glass ceiling.

But its a sad day to see the first african american in office before the first woman in office. Not like the feat of electing an african american is bad, don't get me wrong. I'm not a racist. I'm just saying its kinda...wow.

No, I blame being a woman for having periods, btw.

What do you expect us women to fuck up worse than the male majority has? :lol:

edit: i ceeeent speeeel

[boycotteverything]

And some og the same men who fucked shit up, also were against free thinking women. every man had a mother

[boycotteverything]

...so- as for fucking up the world, the divine circle of estrous notwithstanding, there's plenty of blame to go around.

[Alessandra]

And some og the same men who fucked shit up, also were against free thinking women. every man had a mother
So blame the parenting? Nature vs Nurture? I highly doubt their mothers had anything to do with some of the basis of their beliefs.

[Ducky]

I put up a pretty good fight HERE (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread343753/pg1) regarding who should rule the world.

Take a look :mrgreen: If you dare...

[torbjon]

I put up a pretty good fight HERE (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread343753/pg1) regarding who should rule the world.

Take a look :mrgreen: If you dare...

can't / won't go to that site... however, I find the fact that you seem to believe that a certain class or type or group of people should "rule the world" to be a bit disturbing.

[mojo]

the point is moot ducky, we have always had different roles and responsibilities, there will never be true equality unless our race becomes androgynous. men are better at some things, women are better at others, we are symbiotic.
women own the blame for the perilous state of our species as much as men.

[boycotteverything]

women own the blame for the perilous state of our species as much as men.that statement is undeniable and ought end the argument. ...but it won't.


So blame the parenting? yep

[theeindiee]

I think ummmm nobody should rule the world. The world rules itself. Men and women are both very ego-centric right now. They are both equally ignorant of reality. Only YOU... can prevent forest fires.

[boycotteverything]

I think ummmm nobody should rule the world.Even chunky broads with pimples? I think you're being a bit short-sighted.

[pack3tg0st]

Glass ceilings are bullshit.

Quit complaining, start trying to affect change.

The only reason the status quo is the status quo is the simple fact that no one has came around with the balls to seriously challenge the institution.

Instead of complaining about how it is, join an activist group... find other like minded individuals... do SOMETHING to actually change the "policy" instead of just complaining about it.

I think you'll find both men and women are willing to challenge the male domination of society...

[boycotteverything]

Glass ceilings are bullshit.

Quit complaining, start trying to affect change.

The only reason the status quo is the status quo is the simple fact that no one has came around with the balls to seriously challenge the institution.

Instead of complaining about how it is, join an activist group... find other like minded individuals... do SOMETHING to actually change the "policy" instead of just complaining about it.

I think you'll find both men and women are willing to challenge the male domination of society...Good work, Pack. The fat, semi literate girls here should listen. But I'm sure they won't. They'd rather just get laid, smoke dope and feel sorry for themselves.

[pack3tg0st]

lol yah, complaining about everything has always kind of driven me nuts...

Instead of complaining, you have to be willing to throw yourself into the gears to stop the machine...

If you're not willing to do that, than you're just as guilty with your complacency as the people you're complaining about.

[theeindiee]

There's only so much activism can do if society isn't ready, though.

The best thing you can do is change YOUR mind...

People either will agree or they'll disagree. Oh well.

[boycotteverything]

sure. as i'm wont to say- we are complicit in our own captivity.

[pack3tg0st]

There's only so much activism can do if society isn't ready,

Activism is the first step really...

Bringing down a system by playing by the system's rules is very noble, and quite something to behold when it can be accomplished in such a manner...

If it can't be done by playing by the system's rules... maybe its time to play outside those rules...

[boycotteverything]

Activism is the simple matter of being yourself. And so what if society isn't ready? Society will never be ready for authenticity.

[pack3tg0st]

Society will never be ready for real change...

Real change is painful...

Instead, we'll vote for candidates who run on a platform of "change", all the while, really not wanting much change...