Disclosure Day!

[Cogburn]

Ok.... where's my aliens?

http://paradigmresearchgroup.org/main.html

[Ducky]

What a coinky dink :D

Was checking around for different goodies and was reading this before I refreshed the board index page:

[offsite:3fki8fum]Dr. Greer has provided briefings for the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency, the Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, the Director of Intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and many members of Congress, among others. For the most part, these senior leaders have been systematically denied access to projects connected to the UFO subject.

Dr. Greer states, “These projects have been managed illegally for over 50 years and as such constitute a grave threat to our US national security. The central reason for the secrecy is directly connected to the corrupting influence of special interests in the oil, energy, and financial sectors, since the Disclosure of the sciences related to UFO energy and propulsion systems would quickly end our addiction to oil and coal. This secrecy, aside from being illegal, has denied humanity wondrous new sources of energy generation that would rapidly solve the environmental and energy crises. In this sense, the reason for the secrecy is simple: old fashioned greed and lust for power...”[/offsite:3fki8fum]

http://www.disclosureproject.org/PressReleaseMay312009.htm

[Alessandra]

explain to me why this website is so important. Cuz I have no idea what the fucks going on

[Cogburn]

That's it? That's all we get?

Are these pictures of moths some kind of inside joke?

http://www.disclosureproject.org/PressReleaseMay302009_files/image004.jpghttp://www.disclosureproject.org/PressReleaseMay302009_files/image002.jpg

Here's your disclosure: ET doesn't come here.

[Alessandra]

not to them, at least.

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

Here's your disclosure: ET doesn't come here.

Already here...look in his eyes:

s]ueUOTImKp0ks]

Or maybe Mars...

[Watcher-In-The-Shadows]

Here's a crazy thought, the government really doesn't know anymore than we do?
Alot more information most likely but I am not sure they have anymore of a clue than we do.
And no government that's high on it's power is going to admit that.

[boycotteverything]

Well that's real possibility- and neither a new nor a crazy thought.
And no government that's high on it's power is going to admit that.

And therein may lie the real reason for the cover-up of evidence. But I think they may know more than you think they know.

[hp]

My opinion...If this high end tech for energy really existed, it would be in use now by the military and someone would know and have spilled the beans. People could be prevented from access by the use of national security mumbo jumbo. The navy would have ET powered ships, not nuclear.

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

But, hp, the fatcats are still raking in the bank using the old tech.

Why spill the beans and upset the status quo?

[hp]

So your take is they have it but don't use it?

[Watcher-In-The-Shadows]

And therein may lie the real reason for the cover-up of evidence. But I think they may know more than you think they know.

I meant that in the context that they aren't going admit there is a "badder dog" on the block.
Especially when they know they can't touch them.

[Watcher-In-The-Shadows]

My opinion...If this high end tech for energy really existed, it would be in use now by the military and someone would know and have spilled the beans. People could be prevented from access by the use of national security mumbo jumbo. The navy would have ET powered ships, not nuclear.


I agree. Also in reverse engineering you must be able to at least grasp a little the operating principle of the technology you are attempting to back engineer. It would be rather like Leonardo DaVinci trying to back engineer a modern PC. *Meaning, he was a genus and ahead of his time, but, the tech would be beyond him to a large extent.*

[theeindiee]

I think aliens are boring now. They should have first contact with carpet salesmen. I think they'd get along well.

[Watcher-In-The-Shadows]

They told me they found you boring. :P

[theeindiee]

They probably did. Haha that's why they stopped visiting me about two years ago.

[Watcher-In-The-Shadows]

:lol:

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

So your take is they have it but don't use it?

Like John's fond of pointing out:

"The lie is different at every level."

Why would those in control of such theoretically advanced tech feel any need to share it with the unwashed?

What of the sightings of black triangular craft?

Alien or homegrown with alien assistance?

I wouldn't sell Leonardo da Vinci short...with a crash course in computer science...

[Watcher-In-The-Shadows]

I wasn't selling him short.
He like all of the great genius's of the past were a product of their time *a superior product but a product none the less*
.
Rather like we are ALL a product of our time.
And who was teaching computer science back then?

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

Why, the modern IT guy that dropped in his lap with the modern PC...

[Watcher-In-The-Shadows]

You're assuming much.
The IT guy need not be living, need not help him, need not be able to communicate with him, need not want to communicate with him and the list goes on.
Pick one. :P

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

But what if he was there and wanted to help for shits and giggles?

[Watcher-In-The-Shadows]

Then there is the possibilities the advanced concepts that entail the making of such things as microprocessors he might not ever be able to grasp his frame of reference being completely different *ideas on the operating principles of the universe etc*. Then there are the tools for making said processors and circutry and etc.

[Watcher-In-The-Shadows]

Then the bigger question, why would he want to?
To shift out of the analogy just a little, they are VASTLY more advanced than us and more than few levels science wise than us.
We can't even really ger very far off our little rock.

That and handing out advanced tech to people that haven't attained it yet is rather like handing a nuke to a tribe of vikings.

[Watcher-In-The-Shadows]

Then there is the problem of communication.
Especially communicate well enough to relay VERY advanced concepts that are 1000s of years if not more beyond him.

I mean, how often do you discuss quantum mechanics with a chimpanzee?
And why would you even bother?

[Lexion]

Every year we get spoon-fed
the line "Disclosure is near".

And, every year, it doesn't
happen.

But, it sells books and lec-
tures.

To buy into the hype is sad,
and honestly; unforgivable.

Regards,
Lex

[MrPenny]

I don't get it.....if a small group, or one man or woman, controlled a technology that provided stupidly cheap power.....wouldn't that entity be in a position to be "Emperor of the World?"

[skunk]

Some people don't like to share.

[theeindiee]

I'm rather dull bladed, I guess... but I would think communication would be easy with all forms of life if there was one universally understood principle. Math, physics, and most other sciences.... ehhh it's too convoluted. I'll bet it would be very easy to understand it all without all of that midway rifting between two beings exchanging information.

If you believe in the fractal model of existence, then potentially we all have the same amount of ability for informational awareness. It's just a matter of activation of that potential awareness.

The assumption that we are any less able to be aware than a crystalline-brained Andromedan comes from an assumption that we are only made aware through the evolution of brain matter. So far, scientists really haven't proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that this is the case. I would bet my bottom dollar that they will find that to be quite the opposite of truth. Continued Consciousness of individuals who have ceased brain function for periods of time, but who have still been stunningly cognizant of the scenes happening around them, seems to prove that the mind, and even the personality and the memories of the individual, do not lie solely in the brain... but that the brain is simply an attuned antenna which recieves the mind and the personality and the memories from an "external" source.

So... it is possible that these beings COULD communicate with us very advanced concepts, and we COULD understand these concepts... as long as our brains are attuned to recieve them. It is my strong belief that the brain can be attuned to recieve any and all bandwidths of universal information... and if I am at all close to correct, the argument of humans not being advanced enough to understand certain things flies right out the window.

Ciurcumstancial evidence in the form of Eastern Yogis who seem to be able to master the control of matter through will alone seems to point in the direction that a human being is most definitely capable of grasping universal awareness... which most likely would be what is required to communicate to these supposed beings effectively. All other constricted forms of communication would result in an incomplete understanding of incomplete bits of universal information. It is probable that even the smallest of our cells, and even the most insignificant of our fellow Earthly organisms, have a more complete understanding of this universal awareness than we do.

Which.... would make us feel a bit salty, now wouldn't it?

[Cogburn]

Illumination is little more than reminding yourself of all you have forgotten and placing it in proper perspective.

13,700,000,000 years after the big bang the descendants of hydrogen remain isolated in needless ignorance of their own design because they have forgotten their connection to the ground beneath their feet and the nuclear furnace above their heads.

Delineation is the first illusion.

[Alessandra]

They probably did. Haha that's why they stopped visiting me about two years ago.
I can think of a few other reasons why they'd stop visiting, but I'll just keep my mouth shut.

[skunk]

Too much :pound: :pound: :pound: :pound: :pound: ?

[boycotteverything]

I find this bit of recent 'disclosure' from Mike Salla to be interesting (compliments of Chorlton)-




Greg Bishop next spoke and explained his research on Paul Bennewitz, a deceased (2003) electronics expert who was the first to claim that an extraterrestrial undergound base existed at Dulce. He explained how Bennewitz had captured physical evidence of UFOs near Kirtland Air Force Base and connected this to claims of an underground base at the Archuleta Mesa. Bishop explained how in his book on Bennewitz’s claims, Project Beta, that he doubted the existence of an underground base. He had concluded that Bennewitz was side tracked by a disinformation campaign to get him to look away from evidence of events at Kirtland. Bishop revealed, however, how after the 2005 publication of his book that a number of insiders had confided to him that an undergound base does exist at Dulce. Together with the discovery of a vent to an underground facility, this led to him now changing his position and doubting his former skepticism.



I'll have to check Greg's blog for confirmation. Bishop is not known for flights of fancy. But if what Salla said is true it may be worth taking a second look at Dulce. Of course some will virulently disagree. But what the hell...

Is proof attainable?


Together with the discovery of a vent to an underground facility,

Pump a 50 gallon drum of CS gas down that pipe and let's see whom it rousts. That's all.

I'll have to check Greg's blog for confirmation of Mike's statement. Bishop is not known for flights of fancy. But if what Salla said is true it may be worth taking a second look at Dulce- or at least breaking out the barrel of gas... Bill Byrnes- are you reading this?

Greg's blog- http://www.ufomystic.com/

Source: http://www.hoaxmasters.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=104

[Cogburn]

Dulce? It's been nearly 20 years since the first Dulce rumors and there's less facts to support a secret base there than Montauk, NY or Groom Lake.

For the thousands of folks that have scoured the Dulce area, one guy finds what he thinks is a vent, doesn't at least make photograph or a video of it and that one single account is supposed to be evidence.

Dulce is bullshit, Bennewitz was a loon, and Bishop was trying to sell books.

Hoaxmasters, indeed.

[boycotteverything]

Well I disagree. Paul was more than a loon. Greg is a truth seeker. 'Dulce' may be bullshit but it's still worth exploring.
thousands of folks...have scoured the Dulce area. Support that please. I'm aware of a handful at best; not 'thousands.' Best to let your brain fall out than overstate your position. I consider it an open issue. Chorlton (and apparently you) diverge with Greg and others on this issue. It's OK to disagree but less relevant to dismiss out of whole cloth.

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

In the pantheon of strange, truth routinely trumps fiction.

But truth is the enemy, for those who lust to power.

:wink:

[Cogburn]

Well I disagree. Paul was more than a loon. Greg is a truth seeker. 'Dulce' may be bullshit but it's still worth exploring.
thousands of folks...have scoured the Dulce area. Support that please. I'm aware of a handful at best; not 'thousands.' Best to let your brain fall out than overstate your position. I consider it an open issue. Chorlton (and apparently you) diverge with Greg and others on this issue. It's OK to disagree but less relevant to dismiss out of whole cloth.
Ever been there? The town has built a tourist enterprise from all the conspiracy theorists that come through there looking for secret bases. You couldn't support such an economy without hundreds if not thousands of people coming through the town every year.

Since every single mention of Dulce has originated from bullshit, why consider it open at all?

[boycotteverything]

why consider it open at all?Only until I hear from Greg- out of respect for him. Yes I've been there many times. I used to live in NM- still own property there.

[Ima Nasshole]

There's some here for ya! (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,524617,00.html)

[Cogburn]

I see... so you're aware of the fact that Dulce is a CT tourist trap, and more so every year, and yet weren't able to connect that to the number of people passing through the community looking for the secret base.

You're not much of an investigator. Stick to worn out post-modernist platitudes, it's more your speed.

LOL Ima... that article is more "People on the Internet are Idiots" and not so much "There is no UFO Coverup".

Here's an example.

The video below was "debunked" by explaining the motion of the objects as ice crystals in the foreground influence by the firing of the maneuvering thrusters. Objects in question are around 0:25-0:35.
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However no explanation is provided as to why if the maneuvering thrusters were fired that no movement is apparent in the video. Do we have a recording of the space shuttle defying the laws of physics or is it more likely that the movement of those objects were caused by something else?

Occam's razor is sharper than folks give it credit.

[Ducky]

Watch the flash at 20 sec.

The whole sky lights up and a fraction of a second later 2 ufos dart skyward.

e]oufEpzbnkRge]

[Watcher-In-The-Shadows]

Indiee, that is assuming you or my belief is correct.
Also it's assume that we'd *or they would* be able to access that "antenna" regardless of tech level.

I still question why would a alien race think equipping us with advanced tech a good idea.
We are too violent and too xenophobic *amongst other things* for that to be a good idea.

[boycotteverything]

why would a alien race think equipping us with advanced tech a good idea.
We are too violent and too xenophobic *amongst other things* for that to be a good idea.I'd agree based on anthropomorphic principles. But it's a mistake to consider any possible aliens as conforming to our ways of thinking. If they're alien they're necessarily inscrutable. Who can know what a 'good idea' might be for them? Or even if they have 'ideas' in a human sense.

[hp]

Who can know what a 'good idea' might be for them? Or even if they have 'ideas' in a human sense.

I have always considered this an important point. So many spout theories and evidence from a human point of view. This seems so obvious but it is picked up by so few it seems.

[century]

Well that's real possibility- and neither a new nor a crazy thought.
And no government that's high on it's power is going to admit that.

And therein may lie the real reason for the cover-up of evidence. But I think they may know more than you think they know.



s]E5-yW3hb8Scs]



Some more sketches :mrgreen:

[pack3tg0st]

Ducle is bullshit cent...

I discovered that while I was researching SERPO...

maybe when I'm done with the SERPO research, I'll compile what I discovered on Dulce for ya, and hand that over to further your research if you like.

[pack3tg0st]

lol is this avatar scaring people?

No one has really talked to me since I put it on here LOL

Maybe I shoudl re-think this hehehe

[century]

Here is a couple good one's

Bill Hamilton/Phil Schnieder



[google:14b9tviv]-3368255661994550316&[/google:14b9tviv]

[google:14b9tviv]7407759694768365624&[/google:14b9tviv]

[Watcher-In-The-Shadows]

Who can know what a 'good idea' might be for them? Or even if they have 'ideas' in a human sense.

I have always considered this an important point. So many spout theories and evidence from a human point of view. This seems so obvious but it is picked up by so few it seems.

Not the point. Giving a violent xenophobic race advanced weaponry will only get one attacked and that is not in any advanced race's best interests.

[Cogburn]

Not the point. Giving a violent xenophobic race advanced weaponry will only get one attacked and that is not in any advanced race's best interests.
You mean like putting razors on the feet of chicken for cock fights?

[boycotteverything]

Who can know what a 'good idea' might be for them? Or even if they have 'ideas' in a human sense.

I have always considered this an important point. So many spout theories and evidence from a human point of view. This seems so obvious but it is picked up by so few it seems.

Not the point. Giving a violent xenophobic race advanced weaponry will only get one attacked and that is not in any advanced race's best interests.Not the point? hahahah You just illustrated the point. So you claim to know what those 'advanced races' might consider their 'interests' to be? You're a pretty smart fella! (from a human point of view, of course...)

[boycotteverything]

Ducle is bullshit cent...

I discovered that while I was researching SERPO...

maybe when I'm done with the SERPO research, I'll compile what I discovered on Dulce for ya, and hand that over to further your research if you like.Dulce may or may not be bullshit. Consider everything/ believe nothing. Dulce and Serpo have been debunked 50,000 times. You're neither the first nor the last to call bullshit. You're re-plowing plowed ground and adding nothing new to the dialogue. The point is that the experiment continues and you've now simply managed to add your own balls to the 'collection.' We need to be very careful in applying a period to an uncompleted sentence. When you're "done with the Serpo research," Serpo will still not be done. Hubris is not a river in Egypt.

[hp]

why would a alien race think equipping us with advanced tech a good idea.
We are too violent and too xenophobic *amongst other things* for that to be a good idea.I'd agree based on anthropomorphic principles. But it's a mistake to consider any possible aliens as conforming to our ways of thinking. If they're alien they're necessarily inscrutable. Who can know what a 'good idea' might be for them? Or even if they have 'ideas' in a human sense.

They could have equipped us with false advanced technology. We could be developing our own demise or something for their benefit at a future time. A trojan alien or such.

[boycotteverything]

hahahahahah!!!! Now yer thinking!!! SMITE!

[pack3tg0st]

Dulce may or may not be bullshit. Consider everything/ believe nothing.

Dulce is bullshit.


Dulce and Serpo have been debunked 50,000 times. You're neither the first nor the last to call bullshit. You're re-plowing plowed ground and adding nothing new to the dialogue.

We've already added to the dialoge with SERPO... As far as I can tell, we're the first to say that the CIA was never involved... all researchers up to this point have thought SERPO was real, or they've thought that it was a CIA deal...

I may be wrong, but I haven't ran across anything similar to the picture we're painting yet...


The point is that the experiment continues and you've now simply managed to add your own balls to the 'collection.' We need to be very careful in applying a period to an uncompleted sentence. When you're "done with the Serpo research," Serpo will still not be done. Hubris is not a river in Egypt.[/quote]

SERPO can continue onward for the rest of time for all I care... I'm interested in beginnings of the story... Once an idea gets famous, no matter how stupid or idiotic, there will always be a fraction that refuses to believe its false...

SERPO is not a CIA op...

Pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitate.

[boycotteverything]

we're the first to say that the CIA was never involvedand with that nonsense I suppose you'll be signing off now? And actually the first to deny CIA involvement was Dr. Richard Kennett- a most reliable source, don't ya think? Collections are on the house.

[pack3tg0st]

Yah, but I try to use non-Intelligence related sources to verify if Intelligence was involved...

Would Kennett... former Assistant National Intelligence Officer really tell us if the CIA was involved?

[boycotteverything]

Would Kennett... former Assistant National Intelligence Officer really tell us if the CIA was involved?That all depends on whether your socks are green.


Then there was the very strange business of the metallic voice on the audiotape. Among the few intelligible words it pronounced were two or three together which Kennett recognized as the code name of a very closely held government project. The project had nothing to do with psychic research, and neither it nor its code name was known to Crane or Russo or the others at Livermore. It was as if whoever or whatever had produced the code name on the tape had known that Kennett would soon arrive on the scene and had saved this special shiver down the spine just for him.

Kennett, going by the book, reported the code name incident to the security people at the CIA, muting the outlandish details only slightly. The security people filed it away, and wondered if Dr. Kennett might be getting a little too close to his subject matter.

[pack3tg0st]

Yah but that quote is from his "psychic" research stuff...

That is another investigation for another day lol

[boycotteverything]

it's all the same study. that's the point.

[skunk]

Packet, your avatar scares me.

[boycotteverything]

Packet, your avatar scares me.I thought you were into soul catchers...

[century]

Canadian defence minister



1]xuEUmnEVJQk1]

[century]

Dulce may or may not be bullshit. Consider everything/ believe nothing.

Dulce is bullshit.


Dulce and Serpo have been debunked 50,000 times. You're neither the first nor the last to call bullshit. You're re-plowing plowed ground and adding nothing new to the dialogue.

We've already added to the dialoge with SERPO... As far as I can tell, we're the first to say that the CIA was never involved... all researchers up to this point have thought SERPO was real, or they've thought that it was a CIA deal...

I may be wrong, but I haven't ran across anything similar to the picture we're painting yet...


The point is that the experiment continues and you've now simply managed to add your own balls to the 'collection.' We need to be very careful in applying a period to an uncompleted sentence. When you're "done with the Serpo research," Serpo will still not be done. Hubris is not a river in Egypt.[/quote:35nz2zxx]

SERPO can continue onward for the rest of time for all I care... I'm interested in beginnings of the story... Once an idea gets famous, no matter how stupid or idiotic, there will always be a fraction that refuses to believe its false...

SERPO is not a CIA op...

Pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitate.






From RU's Discussion Board - Q & A's of Bill Ryan - Project Camelot

http://www.realityuncovered.com/forum/vi....0cda0aa5b7486 6 526044204cf


ryguy wrote:
Quote:
Bill - in response to the following:
Quote serponaut wrote: ("8/ Do you background check your present and future interviewees for past or present credibility issues?")

Bill Ryan Response to serponaut Quote:
As best we can, given that we’re not insiders with access to confidential databases, etc.

Ryguy wrote:
I believe what serponaut was referring to was doing background checks on interviewees for past or present credibility issues based on public databases - not confidential databases.

Criminal history, claimed educational credentials, contact information, etc... are all available in the public domain (if you know where to look and who to ask), and there is no access required to confidential databases. I believe Serponaut's question is - do you intend to verify your interviewees credibility with such "checks"?

If your response was that you and Kerry don't know how to do such searches or investigations - as I've stated before, the investigative team at RU would be more than happy to assist you with any such research - for the sake of maintaining credibility and integrity of Project Camelot. We do share the common goal of wanting to encourage true disclosure - the last thing we want to see is the credibility of Project Camelot harmed by a failure to perform due diligence.

-Ry



Yes, we'd be happy to accept a hand from anyone regarding establishing claimants' bona fides. It's quite probable that that there'll be an attempt to infiltrate us by a claimant with a fascinating story who is actually an agent trying to spread disinfo, or to discredit us by subsequently admitting the hoax.

We see that possibility as a genuine threat, just as there are probably agents who post on this and other boards (...you really think that this isn't likely?!). There were 21 agents in attendance at Laughlin alone. The whole UFO field is heavily infiltrated... it's naive to believe otherwise.

We're grateful for your offer of asistance. We've received other offers too - the more the merrier. It would be very illogical for us to turn those down, given our intentions to establish Camelot at the highest level of credibility.

Best, Bill

http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=jakereason

[century]

Re: Main Project Camelot Discussion
« Reply #61 on Aug 3, 2006, 3:23am »

From EaglesDisobey.org Discussion Board - Q & A's of Bill Ryan - Project Camelot

http://eaglesdisobey.org/Forums/viewtopi..../start=600.html


kiwicocky wrote:
Quote:
Bill Ryan said (somewhere, I copied it from RU): Quote: "One of the things I've learned in the last nine months is that there's absolutely no substitute for meeting people face to face; one can't do good research by e-mail and by Googling search terms - it's just not possible. Recent experience has shown graphically how mixed up and tangled things can get, as misunderstanding and confusion piles upon misunderstanding and confusion, errors become facts as they're copied around the net, and the real facts are totally buried.

For instance, already on another forum there were speculative links being made concerning Camelot and real estate, MLM, scientology, Landmark, management training, and goodness knows what else. That was just in a couple of days. Those wild guesses are then picked up on and copied around, and that's how the facts get totally blurred.
[quote:1oaxc9i0]
That gives me no faith in the internet as a research tool. One has to meet people, look them in the eye, and spend time with them to make a sound judgment. Not many of those posting on forums, and keen to persuade us of their every opinion, have met anyone who is active in the UFO community, let alone whistleblowers claiming access to privileged information. It's an interesting phenomenon. In the old days it used to be called gossip, and is just as reliable.")

And in Bill's initial post to all forums: Quote: ("If anyone’s upset because we’re presenting information, then they have a problem that’s not mine. We live in the information age. We need more information, not less. After the information, comes the debate.

That’s not Camelot’s job to judge or preside over, any more than it is that of Rense, Pippin, Noory or any other information platform. And besides, Camelot is about a lot more than the interviews.")

kiwicocky wrote:
The following are my observations and comments on your posts, if you're reading Bill, no need to respond unless you wish to.

I disagree re the ability to do good research by e-mail and Google, we here, for example, have made contact with any number and all manner of people who have helped us in our research of DB. Look at what RU have achieved, and so quickly, by the same means.


RU may not be correct in their claims or assumptions. I've said publicly, previously, that their "findings" are premature and a product of simplistic thinking. There's information they don't know, and they seem to believe they have it all. This is not personal against Ryan and Steve, whom I respect.


kiwicocky wrote:
Quote:
You obviously wish to distance Camelot from your earlier interests - I would suggest this is going to be difficult, as more and more people realise it's not only the message that is important, but also the background and motivations of the messenger.


And, after all the questions I've answered, you think our motivations are...?

I believe I did a pretty good job with the Serpo site. I presented 100% of the information without spin or editing, even when I didn't want to post something, because the quality of the information was so poor.

My intention was to get the information, verbatim and intact, to a wider audience, and that's what happened. I was never an advocate of the story. I was an advocate of the suspension of disbelief and to consider that an exchange program might have happened. Many serious researchers do believe this is a possibility.

I've already published my own personal conclusion: that it was disinformation (implanted fiction upon a basis of fact) mixed with natural compounded errors (relayed information, memory over 25 years, elderly sources, errors in audio transcripts, etc)... but there was a core of truth to it all. Many insiders agree.


kiwicocky wrote:
Quote:
I'm not specifying you alone in this comment - the ufology field appears to be littered with people whose credibility hasn't stood up to scrutiny, or who have ideas of forming cults and what-not, so the yardstick is applied to all.

Since late 2003, using the internet, I've had no problem making 'sound judgement' of the evidence presented - in collaboration with many others. Yes, we've done this largely without personally meeting any ufers, or whistleblowers - I really don't think it would make any difference to my view.


How do you know? Meeting someone face to face can change everything. It's essential context. E-mails are a poor substitute. The phone is a little better.


kiwicocky wrote:
Quote:
It is an interesting phenomenon - we have a link to a blog here which pretty much sums it up: "Internet Killed the Alien Star" by Douglas Kern.

I can see why you'd be inclined to liken it to gossip - however we're not trying to persuade you of our opinions, I see it more as interested observers and truthseekers discussing information amongst ourselves. So far I've found it reliable too in the main.


With the best will in the world, the internet is riddled with compounded errors of fact, as people copy and paste whatever they find in Google to their sites.

When I was researching the tribute information on http://projectcamelot.org/tributes.html, I was staggered by the inaccuracies that had crept into reports written by well-meaning people who just hadn't bothered (or had the time) to check what they were posting.

I cleaned it all up as best I could, and it was an illuminating experience. Some readers here might have experienced the same when researching something technical.


kiwicocky wrote:
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You (and all the ufers and whistleblowers) put the info out there and we'll discern it - our way.

It's not us that are making any claims now is it?

As far as Burisch info is concerned, we here have had volumes of info and debate already, I'd say we're fairly well decided, bar a few loose ends. Do you really expect us to sit back and say nothing?


No, not at all. But what has Camelot got to do with that info and debate? All we've done is provided more information, on the record, to be dissected if you wish. If you find major smoking-gun inconsistencies resulting from listening to our video, you may come to thank us for helping to facilitate that. I think it's interesting that we should come to be criticized for posting a high quality video packed with data.


kiwicocky wrote:
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I really don't see the need for yet another 'information platform' that some will view as entertainment, others derision, and (the ones I'm concerned for) some fear.

However it's your credibility, reputation and bank balance at stake isn't it?


Yes for the first two. The bank balance remark sounded a little cheap, unless you intended it (as you may have) by observing that by working full-time on Camelot we're both foregoing other more lucrative money-earning opportunities elsewhere - which is quite true.

Best, Bill



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