The Meaning Of Life

[Ducky]

EVERYTHING...no matter how the question is asked, can be attributed to four little words:

To Push Around Molecules

That's basically it.

When you think about it, every substance around us, including ourselves, is made of tiny molecules.

Even our thoughts.

lolol

[pack3tg0st]

http://www.michaelmoore.com/_images/splash/livelong.jpg

Long story short... life just wants to keep on living... Its meaning is nothing more than reproduction...

now... what YOUR life means to YOU, is what its all really about... isn't it?

[mojo]

Hmmmm...meaning of life.....i know i am going to sound like a broken record...but thats never stopped me before soooo....

It's perspective, nothing more and nothing less.

Ask a kalahari bushman what the meaning of life is to him and it will be polar opposites to a wall street financier.

Life is the most beautiful of drugs, it's the yin and yang of all our experience, no matter the length of time we spend experiencing it.
From the miniscule second a damaged foetus exists up to the 100 years or so that the oldest of adults exist, it all has meaning and is all beautiful to the chaos of the void, which yearns for more than we can imagine.

Simply, the meaning of life is yours and yours alone.

[Ducky]

Life DOES mean MORE to me than what I stipulated in my OP, however I just broke it down to it's simplest form is all.

[mojo]

42

[Ducky]

42

Oh God...lolol

There's that number again. I forgot what it represented...no wait...was that the answer that the old computer gave in the movie: 'Hitch hikers guide to the galaxy'?

[boycotteverything]

Life is the most beautiful of drugsTrue enough- and the mood of God.

[Alessandra]

42, 23, and 93.

[GeneralStriker]

The number of the fool?


"Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin; and yet I say to you that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. Now if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will He not much more clothe you, O you of little faith?

The meaning of life? Look no further than that dude.

[Cogburn]

Meaning implies intent.

[Alessandra]

93:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/93_(Thelema)


The number 93 is of great significance in Thelema...

The central philosophy of Thelema is in the two phrases from Liber AL: "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law" and "Love is the law, love under will." The two primary terms in these statements are Will and Love, respectively. In the Greek language, they are Thelema (Will) and Agape (Love). Using the Greek technique of isopsephy, which applies a numerical value to letters, the letters of both of these words when added together equal 93:

Thelema = ??????
? (Theta) = 9 +
? (Epsilon) = 5 +
? (Lambda) = 30 +
? (Eta) = 8 +
? (Mu) = 40 +
? (Alpha) 1
= 93
Agapé = ?????
? (Alpha) 1 +
? (Gamma) 3 +
? (Alpha) 1 +
? (Pi) 80 +
? (Eta) 8
= 93

[GeneralStriker]

Meaning implies intent.ragtime

[theeindiee]

Life is art. Novelty for the mind to grow upon.

[GeneralStriker]

Well put.

[itma]

We are born,We die...how fucking simple is that ???

Itma

[Cogburn]

The purpose of the tree is the same as me.

[hp]

Quarks and gluons.

[GeneralStriker]

why there is an argument
about the nature of the god
among the gluons of my hemispheres..
and of the moist heat
on the knuckles of the hand
that
rolled
your
stocking
down...

[skunk]

Why does there have to be a point?

[hp]

Why does there have to be a point?

At least not from the human perspective. May be we are just a gear in a machine and there is to be no meaning for us. I suppose that could mean that the only meaning is that there is none.

The set of not in the set of all things.

[boycotteverything]

Life has meaning because we discern order in the universe. It's the Einstein dice problem.

[lala]

Is it eat drink and be merry :mrgreen: or just what ever right for you :smokin:

[boycotteverything]

Sure. Whatever regime you choose- and that's as good as any. It's order that allows for choice.

[rasobasi420]

Life DOES mean MORE to me than what I stipulated in my OP, however I just broke it down to it's simplest form is all.

No, you didn't. You broke it down to a relatively mid-level form. To break it down to it's simplest form, you'd get to atoms, and smaller. Maybe electrons and protons. Then smaller, quarks and gluons and such. Maybe even smaller, like strings......

[boycotteverything]

and maybe even smaller than that- like the 'nothingness that lies coiled at the heart of being like a worm.' (feel free to google that quote and then get your asses over to the War thread.))

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

[offsite:3qviefsb]The universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding
In all of the directions it can whizz
As fast as it can go, at the speed of light, you know,
Twelve million miles a minute, and that's the fastest speed there is.
So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure,
How amazingly unlikely is your birth,
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth.

b]buqtdpuZxvkb][/offsite:3qviefsb]

[Foxtrot Oscar]

If life chooses to present me with a meaning I may except it, but then again I may not.

Just one thing and that's not "beans and bacon at every meal". Hold on that was in City Slickers... Great Movie!

Life is too short to ponder such a question, just shut up and get the fuck on with it!

That goes double for you BE.

Fox

[hp]

Life is too short to ponder such a question, just shut up and get the fuck on with it!

Spending life pondering the meaning of life just might be living in the circle of chasing one's own tail.

Living life is living the instant. If that's a meaning so be it.

[torbjon]

Define "life".

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

Define "life".

[offsite:2y6yf6vh]Oh, life is a glorious cycle of song,
A medley of extemporanea;
And love is a thing that can never go wrong;
And I am Marie of Romania.

Dorothy Parker (1893 - 1967)[/offsite:2y6yf6vh]

[torbjon]

Seriously, I've never heard an adequate definition of "life" that didn't include some inorganics, or preclude some organics... most definitions seem to be human-centric... which is pretty pathetic.

[boycotteverything]

i think we're using 'life' as shorthand for "the possibility of existence per se." or perhaps "the Dialectic of being and nothingness." ...or at least i am. hahaha

[Ducky]

I once was a girl who asked what 'was'
Should life give an answer to me
Prayer and Study eluded me such,
Noone could give me that much,
So I just let it go...'to be'

As I grew older and asked of life more
My eyes saw more than myself
My journey started when
My experiences began
Therefore leaving my child on a shelf

But life is much more than any person's dream
Of what is or will come to be
For the lives that we touch
When we didn't think it so much
Hidden childs from within WILL see.

[theeindiee]

Hey Ducky. You're a woman. Maybe you can talk some sense into my seemingly big stupid bitch drummer. I can't reason with her. She's drunk all the time and thinks I'm weird. So everything I say sounds wobbly, plus there's the filter of "everything he says is crazy and weird." If I wasn't a gentleman I'd pour that alcohol out all over her and push her out into the street and say "Ya wanna be here?!?"

I doubt even Buddha himself could reason with her. She'd probably stumble towards him and say "Get outta the way! You're weird!" while swigging a cup of bacardi and chasing it with a King Cobra.

Did you write that? It was good.

[Alessandra]

easy: get a new drummer.

[Ducky]

Hey Ducky. You're a woman. Maybe you can talk some sense into my seemingly big stupid bitch drummer. I can't reason with her. She's drunk all the time and thinks I'm weird. So everything I say sounds wobbly, plus there's the filter of "everything he says is crazy and weird." If I wasn't a gentleman I'd pour that alcohol out all over her and push her out into the street and say "Ya wanna be here?!?"

I doubt even Buddha himself could reason with her. She'd probably stumble towards him and say "Get outta the way! You're weird!" while swigging a cup of bacardi and chasing it with a King Cobra.

Did you write that? It was good.

Yes I wrote that above poem.

As far as trying to kick some iota of sense into people...

They're gonna do what they're gonna do babes.

Best to distant yerselves sometimes to gain different introspects.

Reminds me of the TV show: Supernatural...Angel Casteel said: "I've dragged you out of hell, and I can drag you back into it"

In other words:

Decide here and now where you WANT to be.

[boycotteverything]

easy: get a new drummer.i second that emotion.

[Ducky]

easy: get a new drummer.i second that emotion.

Where did you just poop in from and where did ya go?

I take it you didn't have yer aneurysm? hmmphh

I also take it that you read my poem and didn't give it two shits either way eh?

Typical.

[theeindiee]

I think I'm just gunna become a street prophet instead.

[boycotteverything]

I once was a girl who asked what 'was'
Should life give an answer to me
Prayer and Study eluded me such,
Noone could give me that much,
So I just let it go...'to be'

As I grew older and asked of life more
My eyes saw more than myself
My journey started when
My experiences began
Therefore leaving my child on a shelf

But life is much more than any person's dream
Of what is or will come to be
For the lives that we touch
When we didn't think it so much
Hidden childs from within WILL see.

I also take it that you read my poem and didn't give it two shits either way eh?

I did and I do. I love your little poem. It's a heartfelt plaint in the void. Nicely conceived and well done. Thanks for it.

[mojo]

i don't think there is any meaning really, at least nothing we might recognize as the "meaning".
i think torb nailed it, our arrogance makes us believe there must be some meaning to our existence, truth is we are nothing, or if anything at all just a mote caught in the machinery.

[guinnessford]

Make babies, collect toys, and provide a place to keep them.

Like Carlin said, you need a bigger house, to have more "stuff"

And when you get more stuff....

[boycotteverything]

i don't think there is any meaning really, at least nothing we might recognize as the "meaning".
i think torb nailed it, our arrogance makes us believe there must be some meaning to our existence, truth is we are nothing, or if anything at all just a mote caught in the machinery.I don't think the origin of the illusion of meaning is necessarily a function of arrogance as much as our conscious perception of order. that order subsumes reality is undeniable. e=mc2 is universally true. that's what Einstein meant when he said that 'God doesn't play dice.' but i understand where 'arrogance' comes in. thrown into the world, naked and alone, and given nothing but a sense of order, the mind tends to arrange 'meaning' on the basis of all that we can really know for sure- ego, or 'i am.' cogito ergo sum, said Descartes- but then what? big problem. Sartre had a decent solution- that lacking a given essence we create ourselves and our meaning 'for ourselves' by existence. but even he had to admit that in the end it amounts to a leap of bad faith and that we're left with the condition that Mojo identified. so are we fucked? maybe- but at least we have the possibility of enquiry: blah blah wank wank- philosophy. ...and maybe in the end that's what it all means.

[Ducky]

I love your little poem. It's a heartfelt plaint in the void. Nicely conceived and well done. Thanks for it.

Thankyou

[boycotteverything]

you'rewelcome

[theeindiee]

Life and consciousness seems to be meaning. If there was no meaning, it would just be a void of no-thing-ness... most likely. If you just base your life on the assumption that meaning is meaningless, it is absolutely Permissable to be a destructive and sadistic fucker. And maybe it IS permissable to be that way, because even sadistic fuckers contrive meaning from their deeds. But in the end, they'll be the ones we gather up, stick in a giant rocket, and launch straight into the sun because they're hording resources, lying and cheating and torturing and raping and killing, and generally fucking our planet up....and that MEANS that good people get agitated by evil, and you can pretend these polar opposites don't exist... but then I guess you'd feel more comfortable in a void of no-thing-ness where you don't exist at all.

[boycotteverything]

read my prior posts. that ground has been covered. it's better to elevate the discussion than to masturbate.


mojo wrote:
[quote:2wic35xe]i don't think there is any meaning really, at least nothing we might recognize as the "meaning".
i think torb nailed it, our arrogance makes us believe there must be some meaning to our existence, truth is we are nothing, or if anything at all just a mote caught in the machinery.[/quote:2wic35xe]
I don't think the origin of the illusion of meaning is necessarily a function of arrogance as much as our conscious perception of order. that order subsumes reality is undeniable. e=mc2 is universally true. that's what Einstein meant when he said that 'God doesn't play dice.' but i understand where 'arrogance' comes in. thrown into the world, naked and alone, and given nothing but a sense of order, the mind tends to arrange 'meaning' on the basis of all that we can really know for sure- ego, or 'i am.' cogito ergo sum, said Descartes- but then what? big problem. Sartre had a decent solution- that lacking a given essence we create ourselves and our meaning 'for ourselves' by existence. but even he had to admit that in the end it amounts to a leap of bad faith and that we're left with the condition that Mojo identified. so are we fucked? maybe- but at least we have the possibility of enquiry: blah blah wank wank- philosophy. ...and maybe in the end that's what it all means.

[Ducky]

Here Indee...

Little prizey for ya.

I've always loved this song. Meaningful to me. Listen to the words carefully.

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[boycotteverything]

fuck youtube. just say what you mean and mean what you say.

[Ducky]

fuck youtube. just say what you mean and mean what you say.

But....did you REALLY listen to the song and SEE the intertwining historical goodies played throughout BE?

Honestly. Listen to it JUST ONCE, then...tell me it's a crappy vid. k?

[boycotteverything]

fuck youtube. it's a borrowed answer.

[Ducky]

fuck youtube. it's a borrowed answer.

We won't always have the right answers to everything. Nobody does. Not you BE or me, or anyone on this board.

It's always best to use our own words when we can. For those days when words elude us, it's not a crying shame to quote someone else. I'm not saying to do it all the time; as it can be a bad habit to fall into, but there's nothing wrong with it all the same.

[boycotteverything]

it can be a bad habit to fall into,three chairs for captain spaulding!!

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

[offsite:3lpwhk8g]One cannot conceive anything so strange and so implausible that it has not already been said by one philosopher or another.

Rene Descartes (1596 - 1650)[/offsite:3lpwhk8g]

[theeindiee]

read my prior posts. that ground has been covered. it's better to elevate the discussion than to masturbate.


mojo wrote:
[quote:33ox7s8h]i don't think there is any meaning really, at least nothing we might recognize as the "meaning".
i think torb nailed it, our arrogance makes us believe there must be some meaning to our existence, truth is we are nothing, or if anything at all just a mote caught in the machinery.
I don't think the origin of the illusion of meaning is necessarily a function of arrogance as much as our conscious perception of order. that order subsumes reality is undeniable. e=mc2 is universally true. that's what Einstein meant when he said that 'God doesn't play dice.' but i understand where 'arrogance' comes in. thrown into the world, naked and alone, and given nothing but a sense of order, the mind tends to arrange 'meaning' on the basis of all that we can really know for sure- ego, or 'i am.' cogito ergo sum, said Descartes- but then what? big problem. Sartre had a decent solution- that lacking a given essence we create ourselves and our meaning 'for ourselves' by existence. but even he had to admit that in the end it amounts to a leap of bad faith and that we're left with the condition that Mojo identified. so are we fucked? maybe- but at least we have the possibility of enquiry: blah blah wank wank- philosophy. ...and maybe in the end that's what it all means.[/quote:33ox7s8h]

Okay, so basically we are saying the same thing... I think. You're saying it in a way which is confusing. I'm saying it in a way which is for the non-intellectuals, such as me. The problem with Descartes and Satre and all of those guys is that.... they talk like they are speaking a completely different language than a normal human being, and maybe that's why most people don't even bother with them because they seem like pompous pricks talking that way. Lowly non-intellectuals can just fuck off, apparently. And if you wanna talk about masturbation of words... blah blah blah ergo the conceptualization of the depravity of the super-ego in non-consequencial neopaleolithical blah blah blah conundrum of the cerebellum and the anterior right proboscism onkey yada yada yada intellectual wankery....

Mainly this: Descartes and Sartre can go fuck their cousins because they sound like assholes.

Politely,
indy

[boycotteverything]

One cannot conceive anything so strange and so implausible that it has not already been said by one philosopher or another....except for St. Groucho.

[boycotteverything]

Descartes and Sartre can go fuck their cousins because they sound like assholes.Oh my fucking god! So very well put.

I take it all back- you are a qualified farm hand after all!