Tunguska: Old Story, New Physical Evidence?

[Cogburn]

[offsite:2u2e8hvu]Russian Scientist: UFO collided with Tunguska Meteorite to save Earth
Tuesday, 26 May 2009

[inmg=left:2u2e8hvu]http://macedoniaonline.eu/images/crystals.jpg[/inmg:2u2e8hvu]Aliens downed Tunguska meteorite to protect our planet from devastation, stated Russian scientist Yuriy Lavbin about the 100 year old mystery surrounding the massive Siberian explosion. He showed 10 quartz crystals that he found at the place of the meteorite’s crash. Several of the crystals have holes in between, so they can be united in a chain.

- What could this chain serve for? Besides, some crystals have strange drawings on them. We don’t have any technologies that can print such kind of drawings on crystals. We also found ferrum silicate that can not be produced anywhere, except in space”, - the scientist stated.

The meteorite’s crash took place a long time ago, in the summer of 1908. An enormous volcanic ball rushed over the sky with terrifying wallop and thunder-like sound. All the citizens were frightened to death and scared to move out of their houses. A flight of a “flamy alien” ended up in an hour in the deserted taiga area. In a matter of seconds an explosive wave spread for 40 kilometers, devastating everything living around.

It was not until many years later that a Siberian scientist set up an expedition to the place of the meteorite’s crash. They searched carefully through the river banks and found unusual quartz boards. Mr. Lavbin states that such solid stones do not exist on our planet Earth. He told of an experiment that was done on the crystals: scientists tried to put some of the same drawing that were on the stones initially with a sophisticated laser machine.

How surprised they were to realize that the laser (that usually cuts metal objects into pieces) managed to put just some faint stripes, barely visible. The stones, have an entire system of different lines and circles on them. Scientists suppose that the stones used to be a part of the navigational system of a spaceship. All stones united form a map, which they could have used to cruise through the Universe.

In 1908, the UFO is thought to have hit the meteorite that weighed over 1 billion tones. If the meteorite fell down on Earth, all the people would have been dead, extinct. Scientists believe the aliens had interfered and put their lives on the line to make sure there isn't a direct impact with Earth.

A strange portrait of an extraterrestrial person on one of the stones proves this hypothesis - concluded Mr Lavbin.[/offsite:2u2e8hvu]
[imgs=600:2u2e8hvu]http://macedoniaonline.eu/images/crystals.jpg[/imgs:2u2e8hvu]

[Lexion]

Yeah........

Is this from Rense ?

Yeah........

Lex

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

[offsite:6lb5aquj]Classify this under new of the weird. A Russian scientist claims that aliens downed the Tunguska meteorite 101 years ago to protect our planet from devastation. Yuri Lavbin says he found unusual quartz crystals at the site of the massive Siberian explosion. Ten crystals have holes in them, placed so the stones can be united in a chain, and other have drawings on them. “We don’t have any technologies that can print such kind of drawings on crystals,” said Lavbin. “We also found ferrum silicate that can not be produced anywhere, except in space.”

OK, just a few holes in this story, too.

The Tunguska Event was a powerful explosion that occurred in an uninhabited and desolate area near the Tunguska River in Russia, on June 30, 1908. Although the cause of the explosion is the subject of debate, it is commonly believed to have been caused by the explosion of a large meteoroid or comet fragment, occurring the in Earth’s atmosphere about 5–10 kilometers (3–6 miles) high. The blast flattened an estimated 60 million trees over 2,150 square kilometers, but no crater or “smoking gun” meteorite has ever been found. Different studies have yielded varying estimates of the object’s size, but there is general agreement that it was a few tens of meters across.

A couple of expeditions have gone to the remote site of the crash. Lavbin says that one expedition located the unusual crystals.

While I’m not a chemist, I couldn’t find any information on “ferrum silicate.” Seemingly, it doesn’t exist.

One small, nondescript photo accompanied Lavbin’s claims, published by the Macedonian International News Agency.

This isn’t the first time a UFO has been claimed to associated with the Tunguska event. Another report from 2004 said a scientific expedition to the site found blocks of an extraterrestrial technical device, and one 50-kilogram piece of the stone was brought to the city of Krasnoyarsk to be studied and analyzed. No subsequent reports or analysis could be located during an internet search.

Other claims of exploding alien spaceships or alien weapons detonating to “save the Earth from an imminent threat” appear to originate from a science fiction story “A Visitor From Outer Space” written by Soviet engineer Alexander Kazantsev in 1946, in which a nuclear-powered Martian spaceship, seeking fresh water from a lake blew up in mid-air. This story was was said to be inspired by Kazantsev’s visit to Hiroshima in late 1945.

Many events in Kazantsev’s tale were subsequently confused with the actual occurrences at Tunguska. A “reveal-all” book was published in 1976 (The Fire Came By) but was written by two television drama critics — so much for a scientific background. In 1998 the television series The Secret KGB UFO Files was broadcast on Turner Network Television, and referred to the Tunguska event as “the Russian Roswell” and claimed that crashed UFO debris had been recovered from the site.

However, not one proponent of the Tunguska/UFO hypothesis have ever been able to provide any significant evidence for their claims.

Lavbin says the stones, when put together form a map, and might be part of a navigational system of a spaceship.

But Lavbin says what proves his hypothesis is a strange portrait of a strange person on one of the stones.

Hmm, strange looking person on a stone….sounds like….pareidolia.

Scientist Claims UFO Collided with Tunguska Meteorite to Save Earth (http://www.universetoday.com/2009/05/26/scientist-claims-ufo-collided-with-tunguska-meteorite-to-save-earth/)[/offsite:6lb5aquj]

[Cogburn]

Shit... forgot the link to the original story...

Not Rense... Russian news service....

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/6868/56/1/0/

[JiveTurkey]

You mean you didn't pull this story from "the most content plagiarized site on the net"?

:)

[Cogburn]

You mean you didn't pull this story from "the most content plagiarized site on the net"?

:)
LOL I just checked to see if they had it up... 100,000 members and they only nabbed the story 2.5 hours before we did.

... and they couldn't even source the original article from Macedonia Online, only the UT reprint.

ATS is an information failure.

[Lexion]

So.....

Rocks-on-a-rope is how
aliens navigate ?

Yeah.....

Interesting Cog, but total
BS IMO.

Regards,
Lex

[JiveTurkey]

You mean you didn't pull this story from "the most content plagiarized site on the net"?

:)
LOL I just checked to see if they had it up... 100,000 members and they only nabbed the story 2.5 hours before we did.

... and they couldn't even source the original article from Macedonia Online, only the UT reprint.

ATS is an information failure.


I was actually referring to Rense haha. But I'm sure Bill has made the same claim at some point.

Now that I have double checked, they are also the most format plagiarized site on the web as well. No wonder so many conspiracy sites have such a shitty layout.

haha

[hp]

Lavbin says the stones, when put together form a map, and might be part of a navigational system of a spaceship.

Ok I see what's going on now.

So an alien Fred Flintstone is flying around and throws his giant rock space map out and it takes a course toward Earth. Another alien ship becomes aware of this situation which will destroy Earth. This ship (UFO) swoops down and blow up the map and save Earth. Hooray.

[Cogburn]

So.....

Rocks-on-a-rope is how
aliens navigate ?

Yeah.....

Interesting Cog, but total
BS IMO.

Regards,
Lex
There's absolutely nothing online in regards to these artifacts beyond the original wire release from MO... I can't even find anything in Russian.

No, I don't speak Russian... the guy in the office next to mine is a Russian citizen and a professional skeptic. :)

[Ducky]

I don't know about this one.

I find it strange, that there was hardly any evidence after this explosion, and yet somehow, these rocks escaped the blast with little or no wear and tear.

Supposing an alien craft was involved, where's the evidence of this craft?

The article stated that:

[offsite:37yyfsr5]such solid stones do not exist on our planet Earth.[/offsite:37yyfsr5]

Why would an alien race record anything about themselves on simple crystal/stone materials? I'm inclined to believe the Dropa stones more than this one. Then again, we've all seen stranger things.

Reminds me of the 911 terrorist passports/papers. Everything else melted in the rubble, but what should survive the whole ordeal unscathed...the passports :P

[Lexion]

Oh come on.

Rocks as navigation ?

Cog...you oughta know
better.

Big grin, here.

Regards,
Lex

[Cogburn]

All things being equal, don't forget it is 100 years after the event as well. No telling what has degraded in that time.

The UT article brings up a good point... WTF is "ferrum silicate"? If the term is used and examined within context, it suggests that it's a silicon crystalline structure with the gaps in the molecular structure filled with atoms of iron. This is analogous as to how carbon atoms are infused into iron bars to make steel.


Oh come on.

Rocks as navigation ?

Cog...you oughta know
better.

Big grin, here.

Regards,
Lex

Meh, see above... I don't post everything I come across, only the ones that are truly bizarre but still have a faint ring of truth.

What do you think a circuit board is?

Silicon and ferrous metal...

[Lexion]

I knew you were gonna bring
that up.

But those are fucking rocks.

Not circuit boards.

You been surfing Wingmakers
again ?

:P

Kinda sad my post about them
got lost in the Apeci Event.

Regards,
Lex

[KIWI]

a most unusal meteor, it changed course during the descent :shock:

[Cogburn]

I knew you were gonna bring
that up.

But those are fucking rocks.

Not circuit boards.

You been surfing Wingmakers
again ?

:P

Kinda sad my post about them
got lost in the Apeci Event.

Regards,
Lex
What would a circuit board look like after being exposed to tundra weather for 100 years?

[Lexion]

What would a circuit board look like after being exposed to tundra weather for 100 years?

Umm...dust ?

C'mon...you're reaching.

Regards,
Lex

[Cogburn]

It's not a matter of reaching. It's a matter of simply being honest in the appraisal of the facts as have so far been presented.

I'm not saying it's a processor for a UFO... in fact, I haven't said anything beyond clarifying what a "ferrum silicate" was.

It's noteworthy because, if true, it is in the hands of scientists.

There's nothing saying that whatever caused the Tunguska explosion couldn't have fused iron and quartz in the manner described, however the engravings are what set it into the "World of the WTF!?!".

Under high pressures (>400 kbar), quartz turns to a near-liquid state while at the same time generating light and electricity. (http://www.springerlink.com/content/p166138055l88560/fulltext.pdf?page=1)

Where is that link from?

Zhurnal Prikladnoi Spektroskopii, Vol. 11, No. 5, pp. 928-932, November, 1969

[Lexion]

Tunguska was an atmospheric
comet explosion.

It's one of the first UFO events
I ever looked into.

There was zero to be found, on
the ground.

A few expeditions have been
there and found nothing.

All of a sudden these rocks pop
up ?

C'mon.

After 100 years ?

I ain't gonna buy that loaf.

Sorry,
Lex

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

Where is that link from?



www.springerlink.com?! (http://www.springerlink.com?!)?

anything with the term "springer" included is immediately suspect... :mrgreen:

[pack3tg0st]

wow...

"Red alert! Metorite inbound! We MUST save these people!!!!

Quick! reverse the polarity of the inertial dampers, I need more power to the antigraviton thrusters!

And for FUCK'S SAKE someone hand me our navigation rock!"

[Lexion]

wow...

"Red alert! Metorite inbound! We MUST save these people!!!!

Quick! reverse the polarity of the inertial dampers, I need more power to the antigraviton thrusters!

And for FUCK'S SAKE someone hand me our navigation rock!"

OMFG....

Beautiful....that is funny shit.

Thanks,
Lex

[Cogburn]

Tunguska was an atmospheric
comet explosion.

It's one of the first UFO events
I ever looked into.

There was zero to be found, on
the ground.

A few expeditions have been
there and found nothing.

All of a sudden these rocks pop
up ?

C'mon.

After 100 years ?

I ain't gonna buy that loaf.

Sorry,
Lex
ROFL now you're just pretending to be dumb.

What you are saying is that just because 3 groups of people went there in 100 years and poked around that no new physical evidence to be discovered?

Holy shit... stop digging in the Holy Land... We've found it all....

[Lexion]

Rocks.

Navigational rocks.

Ok.

They found the Tunguska
Holy Grail.

Now, where does the map
lead ?

Regards,
Lex

[pack3tg0st]

Now, where does the map
lead ?


Dulce...

Just ask John.

[Lexion]

I kinda thought it lead to
Serponia, or Seinu.

Meh.

Maybe into the Tunguska
swamp.

You know...where the comet
had the air-burst, 100 years
ago ?

Fuck Tom-Tom.

They had Rok-Rok.

Regards,
Lex

[Ducky]

Fuck Tom-Tom.

They had Rok-Rok.

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO

:lol:

My stomach hurts....lolol

[pack3tg0st]

http://tech2.in.com/media/images/img_2113_stone-age-scroll-mouse.jpg

[Lexion]

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa20/Lexion07/Land_of_the_Lost_1974_-_The_Marshal.jpg

[KIWI]

HARMONIC 695 (the UFO and anti-gravity)

B.L Cathie
P.N Temm

....it completely ignored all the ground rules laid down for the entry of an object into the Earths atmosphere; it ignored the laws of physics completely. First of all, it approached from a southerly direction and, when it reached a lattitude of about 58 degrees, it suddenly decided to alter course; it veered off to the east for 20 miles or so, where-upon it changed direction yet again, executing a sharp turn to the west-north-west, just before the impact.....

[Lexion]

The story is 100 years old.

Information from that time is
unreliable at best, hoaxed at
worst.

How do they KNOW what it
did ?

How do WE know ?

We don't.

Taking hear-say as fact is a
slippery slope.

All we know is something had an
air-burst over Tunguska.

Nothing tangible or proven has
ever been recovered.

And after 100 years, I doubt there
ever will be.

Regards,
Lex

[Cogburn]

HARMONIC 695 (the UFO and anti-gravity)

B.L Cathie
P.N Temm

....it completely ignored all the ground rules laid down for the entry of an object into the Earths atmosphere; it ignored the laws of physics completely. First of all, it approached from a southerly direction and, when it reached a lattitude of about 58 degrees, it suddenly decided to alter course; it veered off to the east for 20 miles or so, where-upon it changed direction yet again, executing a sharp turn to the west-north-west, just before the impact.....
Smite for someone actually reading a book.

[KIWI]

HARMONIC 695 (the UFO and anti-gravity)

B.L Cathie
P.N Temm

....it completely ignored all the ground rules laid down for the entry of an object into the Earths atmosphere; it ignored the laws of physics completely. First of all, it approached from a southerly direction and, when it reached a lattitude of about 58 degrees, it suddenly decided to alter course; it veered off to the east for 20 miles or so, where-upon it changed direction yet again, executing a sharp turn to the west-north-west, just before the impact.....
Smite for someone actually reading a book.

bit out-dated I guess Cog, actually reading the different observations and opinions, dont know if this is available in an i-doc format but another great read on the subject is ..."The Tungus Event" Rupert Furneaux......brown thing made of paper with strange symbols all over it......... :roll:

[KIWI]

Taking hear-say as fact is a
slippery slope.


fair enough Lex...I'll dig out the report details.......the quote below may seem non-applicable to this thread, but I will post anyway as it serves (for me) a gentle reminder, for all things connected to these fields of research..... :)


To condemn a thing thus, dogmatically, as false and impossible, is to assume the distinction of knowing the bounds and limits of Gods will, and the power of our mother nature....it is dangerous and presumptuos, besides the absurd temerity that it implies, to disdain what we do not comprehend.

Michel de Montaigne, "measuring the true and false"