The newest Crusade?

[Alessandra]

I've been reading this morning (oh noes!)....

About what, you may ask.

Well...

Apparently mistah Bush decided to call this Iraq invasion a 'crusade', and reports for Cheney included images from the war and biblical passages.

And now, this


In 2003 while lobbying leaders to put together the Coalition of the Willing, President Bush spoke to France's President Jacques Chirac. Bush wove a story about how the Biblical creatures Gog and Magog were at work in the Middle East and how they must be defeated.


Chirac is said to have been stupefied and disturbed by Bush's invocation of Biblical prophesy to justify the war in Iraq and "wondered how someone could be so superficial and fanatical in their beliefs".

In the same year he spoke to Chirac, Bush had reportedly said to the Palestinian foreign minister that he was on "a mission from God" in launching the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan and was receiving commands from the Lord.

There can be little doubt now that President Bush's reason for launching the war in Iraq was, for him, fundamentally religious. He was driven by his belief that the attack on Saddam's Iraq was the fulfilment of a Biblical prophesy in which he had been chosen to serve as the instrument of the Lord.

http://www.alternet.org/politics/140221/bush's_shocking_biblical_prophecy_emerges%3A_god_w ants_to_%22erase%22_mid-east_enemies_%22before_a_new_age_b

Invading Iraq because God said so?

I feel like I'm in a time loop here...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades


The Crusades were a series of religion-driven military campaigns waged by much of Latin Christian Europe against external and internal opponents. They were fought mainly against Muslims, though campaigns were also directed against pagan Slavs, Jews, Russian and Greek Orthodox Christians, Mongols, Cathars, Hussites, Waldensians, Old Prussians, and political enemies of the popes.[1] Crusaders took vows and were granted an indulgence for past sins.

The Crusades originally had the goal of recapturing Jerusalem and the Holy Land from Muslim rule and were launched in response to a call from the Eastern Orthodox Byzantine Empire for help against the expansion of the Muslim Seljuk Turks into Anatolia. The term is also used to describe contemporaneous and subsequent campaigns conducted through to the 16th century in territories outside the Levant[a] usually against pagans, heretics, and peoples under the ban of excommunication for a mixture of religious, economic, and political reasons. Rivalries among both Christian and Muslim powers led also to alliances between religious factions against their opponents, such as the Christian alliance with the Sultanate of Rum during the Fifth Crusade.
The only difference I see, is that most of the crusades of old were started because of a Pope.

Technically, the crusades ended with the Ninth crusades (1272)...so my question is...Are we on the tenth? <_<

Why did we have such a religious nutbag in office for so fucking long? What the fuck have we (re)started?
Will this ever end? :(

[boycotteverything]

In the same year he spoke to Chirac, Bush had reportedly said to the Palestinian foreign minister that he was on "a mission from God"I always figured he stole that line from the Blues Brothers. The problem with Dumbya is that he squandered a Yale education on Blackjack and blow. He never learned history. What a waste of protoplasm.

[skunk]

The best part of this story is Rumsfelds briefings to the decider marking this as an actual crusade for god...

Rumsfeld Crusade Memos (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/17/rumsfelds-crusade-memos_n_204353.html)

I'm trying to find the picture of it, give me a few minutes.

[Alessandra]

thanks skunk :)

[Alessandra]

yes, this is GQ but..

http://men.style.com/gq/features/landing?id=content_9217

and to see all the briefings ...

http://men.style.com/gq/features/topsecret

[skunk]

Here's a few different pictures...Sad we had such a retard in office.

I found them here (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/galleries/intel_it_on_the_mountain_rumsfelds_bush_briefings/intel_it_on_the_mountain_rumsfelds_bush_briefings. html#ph0)

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/05/18/gal_briefings_1.jpg

"Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?"

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/05/18/gal_briefings_10.jpg

"Commit to the LORD whatever you do, and your plans will succeed."

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/05/18/gal_briefings_11.jpg

"Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand."

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/05/18/gal_briefings_12.jpg

"Their arrows are sharp, all their bows are strung; their horses' hoofs seem like flint, their chariot wheels are like a whirlwind."



There's more...Check the link.

[boycotteverything]

The cover of one of Rummy's briefings to Dummy

http://bsalert.com/f-store/bush_memo4.jpg

[Alessandra]

Here's a few different pictures...Sad we had such a retard in office.

I found them here (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/galleries/intel_it_on_the_mountain_rumsfelds_bush_briefings/intel_it_on_the_mountain_rumsfelds_bush_briefings. html#ph0)

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/05/18/gal_briefings_1.jpg

"Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?"

It also says, in the image, the rest.

Here I am Lord, Send me! - Isaiah 6:8

[skunk]

Thank you Jesus for allowing Fuhrer Bush to bring about your second coming and heaven on Earth. The New Jerusalem is finally here!

Get your rapture hats on, we're going to be flying around the sky naked and whisked up to heaven soon enough.

[boycotteverything]

pretty amazing that we had douchebags like that running the country

[Alessandra]

pretty amazing that we had douchebags like that running the country

Also, amazing that they were in office for two terms.... which means morons voted for him TWICE

[skunk]

Well in all fairness to this nation, he lost the 2000 election, but Gore was too much of a douche to ask for a recount in Florida. The Supreme Court appointed him decider, which is a blatant infraction of constitutional authority.

But we all know the constitution is just a "god damned piece of paper" that folks like Bush and Cheney need not worry about.

[GeneralStriker]

Well- if it's any consolation- history will record the idiot as the worst president to date. And that includes Harding and Tricky Dick- a couple of scumbags who are hard to beat.

[pack3tg0st]

Stupid constitution... always getting in the way of REAL progress... sigh...

[GeneralStriker]

Stupid constitution... always getting in the way of REAL progress... sigh...

In the end it's all about frontier justice...

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/img/2009/slideshow/clare/oswald.jpg

[Alessandra]

A "God" that calls for the blood of other people...isn't a god, IMO. Seriously? What kind of god says, "hey. Go kill your fellow humans. I made all of ya'll but I want you to go in there in my name and slaughter them like cows"

Seriously.

[Alessandra]

huh.


After reaching port, Richard the Lionheart promised to leave noncombatants unharmed if the city of Acre surrendered. The brutality of an outnumbered army in a hostile land could be seen again when the city surrendered and Richard proceeded to massacre everyone, despite his earlier promise. From the Frankish point of view, an oath made to a non-Christian was no oath at all.

Yet another case of

"Christians being dicks"

[Lexion]

A "God" that calls for the blood of other people...isn't a god, IMO. Seriously? What kind of god says, "hey. Go kill your fellow humans. I made all of ya'll but I want you to go in there in my name and slaughter them like cows"

Seriously.

Allah.

'Nuff said.

Regards,
Lex

[Alessandra]

A "God" that calls for the blood of other people...isn't a god, IMO. Seriously? What kind of god says, "hey. Go kill your fellow humans. I made all of ya'll but I want you to go in there in my name and slaughter them like cows"

Seriously.

Allah.

'Nuff said.

Regards,
Lex

Well Christians and Muslims have more in common than they think.

So does the Christian 'God'.

[pack3tg0st]

Allah.


Because of my severe addiction to sacrilege, I'm obligated by law to post this again:

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sorry... carry on...

[GeneralStriker]

I made all of ya'll but I want you to go in there in my name and slaughter them like cows"well if your god told you slaughter cows, why not people too?

[pack3tg0st]

http://www.notmytribe.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/ted-haggard.jpg

How's this for hypacracy?

sorry... x-tian bashing happens to be a favorite pastime of mine :P

not just xtians though... any supernatural religion will do...

[Bitchkoma]

edit: no bk u will not participate in threads in this side of the forum.

[Kacen]

I wouldn't call it a crusade simply because it's a war on two countries, not a war on Islam. If it was a war on Islam why would Bush be allied with the Saudis? Why would the regime we replaced Saddam's with in Iraq be Islamic as opposed to Saddam's secularism? Why would Bush support Kosovo Independence, AKA a bunch of filthy Albanian Muslims who butchered Orthodox Christian Serbians? I could go on and on. Iraq could have been a Christian country and it wouldn't have made a difference. Religion had little to do with it.

[theeindiee]

Yep.... white people.

[pack3tg0st]

Kacen...

Bush wasn't interested in Islam Vs. Christianity...

He thought he could bring about "end times" if he played his card right...

He wanted to get things prepped for the apocalypse...

He's a fucked up son of a bitch...

[Kacen]

Oh he is a fucked up son of a bitch, but I hate him for reasons that differ from the majority of people's reasons for hating Bush.

[boycotteverything]

Religion is a false flag when it comes to 'crusades.' The operable category has to do with a simple, "us versus them." The great Liberator of Europe, Dwight Eisenhower, entitled his own autobiography, "Crusade in Europe." There was nothing 'religious' about it. The foes were both purported 'Christians.' 'Crusade' is a paradigm rather than a holy war- having to do with opposing societal views of Good and Evil. Religion is incidental to the varying causes. The Bush problem has to do with the credulity of a weak mind; one that required the additive of religious avowal in order to better define the 'cause.' We make a huge mistake in arguing from the peculiar (particular) to the general (universal) in consideration of the 'crusade principle' with deference to Bushism. That Bush may have been under the spell of popular Christianity has no relevance to the new crusade. Pop Christianity was nothing more than a useful tool in the manipulation of a useful fool.

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

Allah.


Because of my severe addiction to sacrilege, I'm obligated by law to post this again:

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sorry... carry on...

Who are those dumbfucks running in the wrong direction?

[boycotteverything]

Religion is a false flag when it comes to 'crusades.' The operable category has to do with a simple, "us versus them." The great Liberator of Europe, Dwight Eisenhower, entitled his own autobiography, "Crusade in Europe." There was nothing 'religious' about it. The foes were both purported 'Christians.' 'Crusade' is a paradigm rather than a holy war- having to do with opposing societal views of Good and Evil. Religion is incidental to the varying causes. The Bush problem has to do with the credulity of a weak mind; one that required the additive of religious avowal in order to better define the 'cause.' We make a huge mistake in arguing from the peculiar (particular) to the general (universal) in consideration of the 'crusade principle' with deference to Bushism. That Bush may have been under the spell of popular Christianity has no relevance to the new crusade. Pop Christianity was nothing more than a useful tool in the manipulation of a useful fool.

[Ducky]

Who are those dumbfucks running in the wrong direction?

They lost their place in the conga line and had to ran back to start up again. lolol

[boycotteverything]

Religion is a false flag when it comes to 'crusades.' The operable category has to do with a simple, "us versus them." The great Liberator of Europe, Dwight Eisenhower, entitled his own autobiography, "Crusade in Europe." There was nothing 'religious' about it. The foes were both purported 'Christians.' 'Crusade' is a paradigm rather than a holy war- having to do with opposing societal views of Good and Evil. Religion is incidental to the varying causes. The Bush problem has to do with the credulity of a weak mind; one that required the additive of religious avowal in order to better define the 'cause.' We make a huge mistake in arguing from the peculiar (particular) to the general (universal) in consideration of the 'crusade principle' with deference to Bushism. That Bush may have been under the spell of popular Christianity has no relevance to the new crusade. Pop Christianity was nothing more than a useful tool in the manipulation of a useful fool.

[Kacen]

How the hell do you triple post, exactly?

And anyway, the -original- crusades were for religious reasons.

[boycotteverything]

I would have expected a dialogue to ensue from this. But morons like Ducky see fit to spit out stupid and irrelevant retorts- read: snorts. so I re-post.

[boycotteverything]

the -original- crusades were for religious reasons.only for the Dumbistas of the times.

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

That Bush may have been under the spell of popular Christianity has no relevance to the new crusade. Pop Christianity was nothing more than a useful tool in the manipulation of a useful fool.

Bush, the self-serving idiot, was simply a tool used to manipulate the self-righteous fools of the Christian right into backing the play of the MIC.

No religious crusade here save for the worshipers of rapacious self-enrichment and unchecked power.

[boycotteverything]

it's good to agree

[guinnessford]

Allah.


Because of my severe addiction to sacrilege, I'm obligated by law to post this again:

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sorry... carry on...


Fuckin classic, Pack!

We're goin to hell... you for postin and me for pissin myself!

Lex, I think most muslims have said that a true muslim is peaceful, and Allah doesnt want them to kill, its a few angry men that have misinterpreted the Quran.

I may be wrong, I have been alot lately...

[skunk]

guinness, christianity is meant to be a religion of peace as well, but look how twisted it has become.

[guinnessford]

True.

And its mostly people that mis-read things, too.

I hear what youre saying, and by no means am I trying to defend ANY religion.

[skunk]

Its an important point to make that Islam is meant to be a religion of peace as well. People like to twist religion to suit their agendas, even if it may be the antithesis of the religion.

[guinnessford]

I think all religions are based on peace, its the twisted fuckers that shape words and exploit weknesses for evil thoughts and actions that start giving them a black eye.

[Alessandra]

but how did it all come down like this? ;_;

[skunk]

I don't know Alessandra (what the fuck?).

[boycotteverything]

I think all religions are based on peacethat could use a bit of re-thinking. religions are based on conquest.

[pack3tg0st]

I think all religions are based on peacethat could use a bit of re-thinking. religions are based on conquest.

I vote for fear and superstition...

Without mankind's fear of death and desire to feel "important", religion has no reason to exist...

BUT, we're getting close to philosophy again... Philosophy can't happen until after the second cup of coffee...

[boycotteverything]

I vote for fear and superstition... fear and superstition as useful tools, however. And bye the way- Philosophy is the breakfast of champions!

[pack3tg0st]

lol philosophy is fascinating, but it annoys the shit out of me at the same time...

I like to think of things in terms of logic... and where's the logic in a field where there are no right or wrong answers...

I'm fukkin tired man... I might need to invest in an espresso machine instead of a coffee pot... fuck...

[Alessandra]

I don't know why we had to go mainstream religion, instead of just being spiritual. Isn't that enough?

[mojo]

i wish you fucking schizo's would pick a fucking name and stick with it.
fucking schizo's and sockpuppets, its almost enough to make a man forget where he.......hello?

[skunk]

Did the monkey wake up on the wrong side of the bush this morning?

[Foxtrot Oscar]

I don't know why we had to go mainstream religion, instead of just being spiritual. Isn't that enough?

I don't know why people have to change their name more often than their knickers, but they just fooking well do it... Don't they!

Fox

:?

[Alessandra]

hey! At least I dont have a sock on here, and I don't start that much trouble *eyes BE*

[mojo]

Philosophy is the breakfast of champions!


blah blah blah wank wank wank....philosophy

real men dont eat quiche, they solve the worlds problems over a keg of beer.

[Alessandra]

Philosophy is the breakfast of champions!


blah blah blah wank wank wank....philosophy

real men dont eat quiche, they solve the worlds problems over a keg of beer.

real people smoke a bong and completely forget why they were fighting to begin with.

[mojo]

Philosophy is the breakfast of champions!


blah blah blah wank wank wank....philosophy

real men dont eat quiche, they solve the worlds problems over a keg of beer.

real people smoke a bong and completely forget why they were fighting to begin with.

real people dont continually change their fucking names and confuse pissed monkey's.







:D

[Alessandra]

geez, you're still pissed about that?
I changed it for several reasons, none of which I will make public.

[Foxtrot Oscar]

and foxes!

Fox

[Alessandra]

and foxes!

Fox

lolwut

[Alessandra]

And anyway, the -original- crusades were for religious reasons.

Here I have to pop in my 2 cents.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandrian_Crusade


The brief Alexandrian Crusade occurred in October of 1365 and was led by Peter I of Cyprus against Alexandria. Almost completely devoid of religious impetus, it differs from the more prominent Crusades in that it seems to have been motivated entirely by economic interests.


Jo van Steenbergen, citing Peter Edbury, argues that the crusade was primarily an economic quest. Peter wanted to end the primacy of Alexandria as a port in the Eastern Mediterranean in the hope that Famagusta would then benefit from the redirected trade. Religious concerns, then, were secondary.


So, not all of them were religious!

[Cogburn]

geez, you're still pissed about that?
I changed it for several reasons, none of which I will make public.
Gigiddy gigiddy.

[boycotteverything]

you'll always be chii to me

[Alessandra]

damn you all!!

@cogburn: giggitygiggity goo, allright!

Anyway back on topic

[Alessandra]

Look what I found on Wiki... Just perousing the Crusades articles...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_Crusade


The Tenth Crusade is a rhetorical device that builds an analogy between the U.S.-led War on Terrorism and the historical Crusades.


The word crusade was used by US President George W. Bush first on the day of the September 11, 2001 attacks, quoted below, and on the national day of mourning which honored the death of the 3,000 victims of the attacks. He said that "this crusade, this war on terrorism is the Muslims' fault.". The use of this figure of speech was criticized in Europe, and Arabic speaking countries.




Alexander Cockburn, "The Tenth Crusade," Counterpunch, September 7, 2002.
"Islamic fanatics flew those planes a year ago and here we are with a terrifying alliance of Judaeo-Christian fanatics, conjoined in their dreams of the recovery of the Holy Lands of the West Bank, Judaea and Samaria. War on Terror? It's back to the late thirteenth century, picking up where Prince Edward left off with his ninth crusade after St Louis had died in Tunis with the word Jerusalem on his lips."


US President George W. Bush, from a rally for the troops in Alaska, February 16, 2002.
"I want to tell you something, we've got no better friends than Canada. (Applause.) They stand with us in this incredibly important crusade to defend freedom, this campaign to do what is right for our children and our grandchildren."

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v145/gir_the_hobbit/CrusadeTen.jpg

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

geez, you're still pissed about that?
I changed it for several reasons, none of which I will make public.

I think she just wanted to be higher up on the member's list... :mrgreen:

[Cogburn]

http://www.alessandraambrosio.com/popup.php?src=http://www.alessandraambrosio.com/admin/file_download.php?id=1051&w=600&h=600

*purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr*

[Alessandra]

... thanks for fucking derailing my thread.

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

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[Alessandra]

where did you get that last image, Goos? I rofl'd.