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What should be done about the Somali pirate problem ?
Blow them out of the water?
give them heaps of money?
do you have a particular interest in this ITMA,......do you have a nautical background? Amkon has done its bit regards the Somali pirates, apeci was sent over to synchronise their NAV systems, come to think of it, its been rather quiet there of late :twisted:
Such a pity the dunderhead ''techie'' stuffed up the board,I would have liked to have seen the discussion on the pirates.Personally I sympathise with their plight,once they were fishermen,until certain european and asian fishing fleets moved in and wiped out the fish stocks.
Itma
have you personal experience of these matters ITMA? :shock:
have you personal experience of these matters ITMA? :shock:
I certainly do Kiwi,I sailed with a somali called Bullaby,he loaned me some money so as I could go ashore for a shag !!
He wasnt a pirate,he lived in Liverpool,(goes into reminiscing mode)I paid him back at Greenwich,happy days !!
Hubba Hubba.........Itma
Bitchkoma
05-26-2009, 06:25 AM
piratical somalis.
Did you mean practical somalis?
Bullaby,...was he a red-star man?
Mungodave
05-26-2009, 09:56 AM
I'm lovin the big stick holding that shit for brains boat together.... looks like any second now....
tck tck.....
pack3tg0st
05-26-2009, 10:33 AM
apeci was sent over to synchronise their NAV systems, come to think of it, its been rather quiet there of late :twisted:
hehe,
The backup software to their nav system was corrupt... and they lost all their data...
Currently they're traveling the ocean, trying to find out where the hell Africa is... but every time they pull it up on their Nav... they see "Sorry, this topic does not exist".
lol
Sorry Apeci, nuttin' but love here man... just couldn't resist. :P
piratical somalis.
Did you mean practical somalis?
I think they could very well be called practical,far out at sea in a tin boat,hi-jacking super tankers,
Itma
Bullaby,...was he a red-star man?
Bullaby a red star man......More your black-arse man.LOL
itma
apeci was sent over to synchronise their NAV systems, come to think of it, its been rather quiet there of late :twisted:
hehe,
The backup software to their nav system was corrupt... and they lost all their data...
Currently they're traveling the ocean, trying to find out where the hell Africa is... but every time they pull it up on their Nav... they see "Sorry, this topic does not exist".
lol
Sorry Apeci, nuttin' but love here man... just couldn't resist. :P
he knows I love him to pac ( thats not tu-pac) .......in spite of the fact he see's other posters :(
Bullaby,...was he a red-star man?
Bullaby a red star man......More your black-arse man.LOL
itma
was the "Bay of Biscay" your ship?, or the referance to the bay itself? 8)
guinnessford
05-26-2009, 09:02 PM
I can identify with the "by all means necessary" survival ethic some of them may have, and maybe a way to stop the pirating would be to launch a humanitarian mission in Somalia...WTF did I just say????
Lexion
05-26-2009, 09:15 PM
Blackhawk Down ring any bells ?
I say we bomb their coast, up
to 200 miles inland.
Then land troops.
Fuck those assholes.
Nothing but tribal wars for 400
fucking years.
Another idea.
Wall those fuckers in, park Destroyers
off the coast. Noone in, noone out.
In 10 years, fly some drones over to
see what's left.
Fuck those assholes.
Parade OUR fucking dead airmen through
their streets ?
Fuck those assholes.
Regards,
Lex
skunk
05-26-2009, 09:38 PM
Sounds like a great idea lex. You could have been Bush's top foreign policy advisor.
May be a daily visit from an ac-130
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/31/AC-130A_pylon_turn.jpg/180px-AC-130A_pylon_turn.jpg
Lexion
05-26-2009, 09:49 PM
What the fuck is that supposed
to mean ?
Fuck those idiots.
We've pumped billions in there,
and for what ?
Better armed warlords ?
Fuck those assholes.
Mombasa, Kenya —- Somalia’s prime minister said Thursday that his government has identified many pirate leaders and would be willing to share that information with other countries, including the United States, to get the resources needed to go after them.
From Here (http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/printedition/2009/04/17/pirates0417.html)
They do not HAVE an effective government.
Somali Govt. Website :
Yeah (http://www.somali-gov.info/)
Give me a fucking break.
Regards,
Lex
skunk
05-26-2009, 09:50 PM
And why is that lex?
Lexion
05-26-2009, 09:52 PM
Because they can't think beyond
the barrel of a gun ?
You tell me ?
No, tell us ALL, why we should
support those assholes.
Enlighten us all.
Thanks,
Lex
guinnessford
05-26-2009, 09:58 PM
Somalia will be like Isreal forever.
Nobody will be happy, always taking another inch from someone else.
Its not anti Isreal to point out that theyve never been happy with what they have, Palestinians arent either.
Somali's should be left for dead.
I like the wall thing, maybe set soldiers along the top to have target practice on all the warlords that are left.
One chance, children under the age of 16 can leave to be re-educated in another area... shot if still resistant.
I have no happy thoughts EVER when I think of that shithole.
Being drug by armed men and kids, torn limb from limb... they live that way, let em-wall em in,Lex.
Im with you.
skunk
05-26-2009, 10:00 PM
I don't support their behavior. However, I do like to understand why people do the things they do rather than automatically condemning them as "terrorists" or "insurgents" or "bad" people.
My original interest in CT actually stems from learning about alternative histories or what most people don't know.
What is not commonly known, is that the US has been fighting a proxy war in Somalia under the guise of the "war on terror." We have paid Ethiopian mercenaries to invade Somalia, for reasons unknown (to combat Muslim extremists?), and now the Somalis decide to fight back by taking oil tankers hostage and are labeled "terrorists".
The story below I posted a few months/year back, but I guess it was lost in the great apeci.
Bush's rampage in Somalia (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9608)
The Crisis in Somalia: US-NATO Plans to Control the Indian Ocean (http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13470)
Atrocity Unlimited: US Seeks to Turn Somalia into Global Free-Fire Zone (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=11375)
Ethiopia /USA/ Somali Pirates’ Cover-up (http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13217)
[offsite:23as8u15]ASMARA, Eritrea -- One of the best kept secrets in the international media these days is the link between the USA, Ethiopia and the Somali pirates. First, a little reliable background from someone on the ground in the Horn of Africa.
The Somali pirates operate out of the Ethiopian and USA created enclaves in Somalia calling themselves Somaliland and Puntland. These Ethiopian and USA backed warlord controlled territories have for many years hosted Ethiopian military bases, which have been greatly expanded recently by the addition of thousands of Ethiopian troops who were driven out of southern and central Somali by the Somali resistance to the Ethiopian invasion.
After securing their ransom for the hijacked ships the Somali pirates head directly to their local safe havens, in this case, the Ethiopian military bases, where they make a sizeable contribution to the retirement accounts of the Ethiopian regime headed by Meles Zenawi.
Of course, the international naval forces who are patrolling the Horn of Africa know all too well what is going on for they have at their disposal all sorts of high tech observation platforms, ranging from satellites to unmanned drones with high resolution video cameras that report back in real time.
The French commandos started to pursue the Somali pirates into their lairs last year until the pirates got the word that for the right amount of cash they were more than welcome in the Ethiopian military bases in their local neighborhoods. Ethiopia being the western, mainly USA, Cop on the Beat in East Africa put these bases off limits to the frustrated navies of the world, who are no doubt growling in anger to their USA counterparts about why this is all going on.
Now that the pirates have started attacking USA flagged shipping, something that was until now off limits, it remains to be seen what the Obama administration will do. One thing we in the Horn of Africa have learned all too well, when it comes to Ethiopia, don’t expect anything resembling accurate coverage by the media, especially those who operate under the cloak of “freedom of the press.”[/offsite:23as8u15]
skunk
05-26-2009, 10:01 PM
A related story (its kind of long, sorry, but its important to read so I posted it in its entirety):
America's Hidden War in Somalia (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=11165)
[offsite:16msgpny]BERBERA, Somalia - To glimpse America's secret war in Africa, you must bang with a rock on the iron gate of the prison in this remote port in northern Somalia. A sleepy guard will yank open a rusty deadbolt. Then, you ask to speak to an inmate named Mohamed Ali Isse.
Isse, 36, is a convicted murderer and jihadist. He is known among his fellow prisoners, with grudging awe, as "The Man with the American Thing in His Leg."
That "thing" is a stainless steel surgical pin screwed into his bullet-shattered femur, courtesy, he says, of the U.S. Navy. How it got there — or more to the point, how Isse ended up in this crumbling, stone-walled hellhole at the uttermost end of the Earth—is a story that the U.S. government probably would prefer to remain untold.
That's because Isse and his fancy surgery scars offer what little tangible evidence exists of a bare-knuckled war that has been waged silently, over the past five years, with the sole aim of preventing anarchic Somalia from becoming the world's next Afghanistan.
It is a standoff war in which the Pentagon lobs million-dollar cruise missiles into a famine-haunted African wasteland the size of Texas, hoping to kill lone terror suspects who might be dozing in candlelit huts. (The raids' success or failure is almost impossible to verify.)
It is a covert war in which the CIA has recruited gangs of unsavory warlords to hunt down and kidnap Islamic militants and—according to Isse and civil rights activists—secretly imprison them offshore, aboard U.S. warships.
Mostly, though, it is a policy time bomb that will be inherited by the incoming Obama administration: a little-known front in the global war on terrorism that Washington appears to be losing, if it hasn't already been lost.
"Somalia is one of the great unrecognized U.S. policy failures since 9/11," said Ken Menkhaus, a leading Somalia scholar at Davidson College in North Carolina. "By any rational metric, what we've ended up with there today is the opposite of what we wanted."
What the Bush administration wanted, when it tacitly backed Ethiopia's invasion of Somalia in late 2006, was clear enough: to help a close African ally in the war on terror crush the Islamic Courts Union, or ICU. The Taliban-like movement emerged from the ashes of more than 15 years of anarchy and lawlessness in Africa's most infamous failed state, Somalia.
At first, the invasion seemed an easy victory. By early 2007, the ICU had been routed, a pro-Western transitional government installed, and hundreds of Islamic militants in Somalia either captured or killed.
But over the last 18 months, Somalia's Islamists—now more radical than ever—have regrouped and roared back.
On a single day last month, they flexed their muscles by killing nearly 30 people in a spate of bloody car-bomb attacks that recalled the darkest days of Iraq. And their brutal militia, the Shabab or "Youth," today controls much of the destitute nation, a shattered but strategic country that overlooks the vital oil-shipping lanes of the Gulf of Aden.
Even worse, in recent days Shabab's fighters have moved to within miles of the Somalian capital of Mogadishu, threatening to topple the weak interim government supported by the U.S. and Ethiopia.
At the same time, according to the UN, the explosion of violence is inflaming what probably is the worst humanitarian tragedy in the world.
In the midst of a killing drought, more than 700,000 city dwellers have been driven out of bullet-scarred Mogadishu by the recent clashes between the Islamist rebels and the interim government.
The U.S. role in Somalia's current agonies has not always been clear. But back in the Berbera prison, Isse, who is both a villain and a victim in this immense panorama of suffering, offered a keyhole view that extended all the way back to Washington.
Wrapped in a faded sarong, scowling in the blistering-hot prison yard, the jihadist at first refused to meet foreign visitors—a loathed American in particular. But after some cajoling, he agreed to tell his story through a fellow inmate: a surreal but credible tale of illicit abduction by the CIA, secret helicopter rides and a journey through an African gulag that lifts the curtain, albeit only briefly, on an American invisible war.
"Your government gets away with a lot here," said the warden, Hassan Mohamed Ibrahim, striding about his antique facility with a pistol tucked in the back of his pants. "In Iraq, the world is watching. In Afghanistan, the world is watching. In Somalia, nobody is watching."
From ashes of 'Black Hawk Down'
In truth, merely watching in Mogadishu these days is apt to get you killed.
Somalia's hapless capital has long been considered the Dodge City of Africa—a seaside metropolis sundered by clan fighting ever since the nation's central government collapsed in 1991. That feral reputation was cemented in 1993, when chanting mobs dragged the bodies of U.S. Army Rangers through the streets in a disastrous UN peacekeeping mission chronicled in the book and movie "Black Hawk Down."
Yet if Mogadishu was once merely a perilous destination for outsiders, visiting today is suicidal.
For the first time in local memory, the airport—the city's frail lifeline to the world—is regularly closed by insurgent mortar attacks despite a small and jittery contingent of African Union peacekeepers.
Foreign workers who once toiled quietly for years in Somalia have been evacuated. A U.S. missile strike in May killed the Shabab commander, Aden Hashi Ayro, enraging Islamist militants who have since vowed to kidnap and kill any outsider found in the country.
The upshot: Most of Somalia today is closed to the world.
It wasn't supposed to turn out this way when Washington provided satellite intelligence to the invading Ethiopians two years ago.
The homegrown Islamic radicals who controlled most of central and southern Somalia in mid-2006 certainly were no angels. They shuttered Mogadishu's cinemas, demanded that Somali men grow beards and, according to the U.S. State Department, provided refuge to some 30 local and international jihadists associated with Al Qaeda.
But the Islamic Courts Union's turbaned militiamen had actually defeated Somalia's hated warlords. And their enforcement of Islamic religious laws, while unpopular among many Somalis, made Mogadishu safe to walk in for the first time in a generation.
"It's not just that people miss those days," said a Somali humanitarian worker who, for safety reasons, asked to be identified only as Hassan. "They resent the Ethiopians and Americans tearing it all up, using Somalia as their battlefield against global terrorism. It's like the Cold War all over again. Somalis aren't in control."
When the Islamic movement arose, Isse, the terrorist jailed in Berbera, was a pharmacy owner from the isolated town of Buro in Somaliland, a parched northern enclave that declared independence from Somalia in the early 1990s.
Radicalized by U.S. military involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan, he is serving a life sentence for organizing the killings of four foreign aid workers in late 2003 and early 2004. Two of his victims were elderly British teachers. A dour, bearded man with bullet scars puckering his neck and leg, Isse still maintains his innocence.
Much of Isse's account of his capture and imprisonment was independently corroborated by Western intelligence analysts, Somali security officials and court records in Somaliland, where the wounded jihadist was tried and jailed for murdering the aid workers. Those sources say Isse was snatched by the U.S. after fleeing to the safe house of a notorious Islamist militant in Mogadishu.
How that operation unfolded on a hot June night in 2004 reveals the extent of American clandestine involvement in Somalia's chaotic affairs—and how such anti-terrorism efforts appear to have backfired.
Interrogation aboard ship
"I captured Isse for the Americans," said Mohamed Afrah Qanyare. "The Americans contracted us to do certain things, and we did them. Isse put up resistance so we shot him. But he survived."
A scar-faced warlord in a business suit, Qanyare is a member of Somalia's weak transitional government. Today he divides his days between lawless Mogadishu and luxury hotels in Nairobi.
But four years ago, his militia helped form the kernel of a CIA-created mercenary force called the Alliance for the Restoration of Peace and Counter-Terrorism in Somalia. The unit cobbled together some of the world's most violent, wily and unreliable clan militias—including gangs that had attacked U.S. forces in the early 1990s—to confront a rising tide of Islamic militancy in Somalia's anarchic capital.
The Somalis on the CIA payroll engaged in a grim tit-for-tat exchange of kidnappings and assassinations with extremists. And Isse was one of their catches.
He was wounded in a CIA-ordered raid on his Mogadishu safe house in June 2004, according to Qanyare and Matt Bryden, one of the world's leading scholars of the Somali insurgency who has access to intelligence regarding it. They say Isse was then loaded aboard a U.S. military helicopter summoned by satellite phone and was flown, bleeding, to an offshore U.S. vessel.
"He saw white people in uniforms working on his body," said Isse's Somali defense lawyer, Bashir Hussein Abdi, describing how Isse was rushed into a ship-board operating room. "He felt the ship moving. He thought he was dreaming."
Navy doctors spliced a steel rod into Isse's bullet-shattered leg, according to Abdi. Every day for about a month afterward, Isse's court depositions assert, plainclothes U.S. agents grilled the bedridden Somali at sea about Al Qaeda's presence.
The CIA has never publicly acknowledged its operations in Somalia. Agency spokesman George Little declined to comment on Isse's case.
For years, human-rights organizations attempted to expose the rumored detention and interrogation of terror suspects aboard U.S. warships to avoid media and legal scrutiny. In June, the British civil rights group Reprieve contended that as many as 17 U.S. warships may have doubled as "floating prisons" since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.
Calling such claims "misleading," the Pentagon has insisted that U.S. ships have served only as transit stops for terror suspects being shuttled to permanent detention camps such as the one in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
But Tribune reporting on Isse indicates strongly that a U.S. warship was used for interrogation at least once off the lawless coast of Somalia.
The U.S. Navy conceded Isse had stayed aboard one of its vessels. In a terse statement, Lt. Nathan Christensen, a spokesman for the Bahrain-based 5th Fleet that patrols the Gulf of Aden, said only that the Navy was "not able to confirm dates" of Isse's imprisonment.
For reasons that remain unclear, he was later flown to Camp Lemonier, a U.S. military base in the African state of Djibouti, Somali intelligence sources say, and from there to a clandestine prison in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia.
Isse and his lawyer allege he was detained there for six weeks and tortured by Ethiopian military intelligence with electric shocks.
Ethiopia's Ministry of Foreign Affairs and office of prime minister did not respond to queries about Isse's allegations.
However, security officials in neighboring Somaliland did confirm that they collected Isse from the Ethiopian police at a dusty border crossing in late 2004. "The Man with the American Thing in His Leg" was interrogated again. After a local trial, he was locked in the ancient Berbera prison.
"It doesn't matter if he is guilty or innocent," said Abdi, the defense lawyer. "Countries like Ethiopia and America use terrorism to justify this treatment. This is not justice. It is a crime in itself."
Tales of CIA "snatch and grab" operations against terror suspects abroad aren't new, of course. President George W. Bush finally confirmed two years ago the existence of an international program that "renditioned" terrorism suspects to a network of "black site" prisons in Eastern Europe, Iraq and Afghanistan.
As for the CIA's anti-terror mercenaries in Mogadishu, they may have kidnapped a dozen or more wanted Islamists for the Americans, intelligence experts say. But their excesses ended up swelling the ranks of their enemy, the Islamic Courts Union militias.
"It was a stupid idea," said Bryden, the security analyst who has written extensively on Somalia's Islamist insurgency. "It actually strengthened the hand of the Islamists and helped trigger the crisis we're in today."
In the sweltering Berbera prison, Exhibit A in Washington's phantom war in Somalia had finished his afternoon prayers. He clapped his sandals together, then limped off to his cell without a word.
A sinking nation
The future of Somalia and its 8 million people is totally unscripted. This unbearable lack of certainty, of a way forward, accommodates little hope.
Ethiopian and U.S. actions have eroded Somalis' hidebound allegiance to their clans, once a firewall against Al Qaeda's global ideology, says Bryden. Somalia's 2 million-strong diaspora is of greatest concern. Angry young men, foreign passports in hand, could be lured back to the reopened Shabab training camps, where instructors occasionally use photocopied portraits of Bush as rifle targets.
Some envision no Somalia at all.
With about $8 billion in humanitarian aid fire-hosed into the smoking ruins of Somalia since the early 1990s—the U.S. will donate roughly $200 million this year alone—a growing chorus of policymakers is advocating that the failed state be allowed to fail, to break up into autonomous zones or fiefdoms, such as Isse's home of Somaliland.
But there is another possible future for Somalia. To see it, you must go to Bosaso, a port 300 miles east of Isse's cell.
Bosaso is an escape hatch from Somalia. Thousands of people swarm through the town's scruffy waterfront every year, seeking passage across the Gulf of Aden to the Middle East. Dressed in rags, they sleep by the hundreds in dirt alleys and empty lots. Stranded women and girls are forced into prostitution.
"You can see why we still need America's help," said Abdinur Jama, the coast guard commander for Puntland, the semiautonomous state encompassing Bosaso. "We need training and equipment to stop this."
Dapper in camouflage and a Yankees cap, Jama was a rarity in Somalia, an optimist. While Bosaso's teenagers shook their fists at high-flying U.S. jets on routine patrols—"Go to hell!" they chanted—Jama still spoke well of international engagement in Somalia.
On a morning when he offered to take visitors on a coast patrol, it did not seem kind to tell him what a U.S. military think tank at West Point had concluded about Somalia last year: that, in some respects, failed states were admirable places to combat Al Qaeda, because the absence of local sovereignty permitted "relatively unrestricted Western counterterrorism efforts."
After all, Jama's decrepit patrol boat was sinking.
A crew member scrambled to stanch a yard-high geyser of seawater that spurted through the cracked hull. Jama screwed his cap on tighter and peered professionally at land that, despite Washington's best-laid plans, has turned far more desperate than Afghanistan.
"Can you swim?" Jama asked. But it hardly seemed to matter. Back on dry land, in Somalia, an entire country was drowning.[/offsite:16msgpny]
guinnessford
05-26-2009, 10:05 PM
How about Clintons rage in Somalia?
Damn, I wish some of those posts were around, I like your work Skunk, usually put good shit together.
Lexion
05-26-2009, 10:16 PM
From the inception of independence, the Somali government supported the concept of self-determination for the people of the Somali-inhabited areas of Ethiopia (the Ogaden section), Kenya (most of the northeastern region), and French Somaliland (now the Republic of Djibouti), including the right to be united within a greater Somalia. Numerous border clashes occurred between Somalia and Ethiopia, and between Somalia and Kenya. Soviet influence in Somalia grew after Moscow agreed in 1962 to provide substantial military aid.
In 1988, both the Ethiopian and Somalian governments, faced by growing internal resistance, pledged to respect their border. By 1990, the Somali regime was losing control. Armed resistance from the Somali Salvation Democratic Front (SSDF), the Somali Democratic Alliance (SDA), the Somali Democratic Movement (SDM), the Somali National Movement (SNM), the Somali Patriot Movement (SPM), and the United Somali Congress (USC) were turning the Somali territory into a death trap. Government forces were no less ruthless. Each was led by a clan leader or local warlord. Donor nations threatened to cut off aid unless the atrocities were ended.
Mogadishu became a war zone. In early October 1993, 18 US Army Rangers were killed and 75 were wounded in a firefight.
Sidenote--I knew some of those guys.
Hence, my hatred. Yeah, it's personal.
The United States completed its withdrawal of troops in March 1995, after which Mogadishu again disintegrated into chaos.
Because the factional splits were not based on ideological, religious, or issue differences, but instead were quests for power and riches, there was little hope for the restoration of a central government, and by the year 2000 the country was split into four pieces—Somaliland to the north, Puntland to the northeast, South Mogadishu controlled by Hussein Muhamad Aideed and North Mogadishu dominated by Ali Mahdi. Islamic courts took on the task of establishing law and order.
From Here (http://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/Africa/Somalia-HISTORY.html)
Fuck those assholes.
Regards,
Lex
skunk
05-26-2009, 10:23 PM
The United States completed its withdrawal of troops in March 1995, after which Mogadishu again disintegrated into chaos.
That is a drastic underestimation of the situation.
Sidenote--I knew some of those guys.
Hence, my hatred. Yeah, it's personal.
Lex, you would be the first to cross the street to help any poor fucka in need, including Somalian children, women etc.......your posts are all emotion based, emotion is fine but has no place in the decision making process, we have all lost good friends along the way......your violent blind reaction is exactly whats required from the gutless arse-holes that manipulate and control our world...score 1 for the "enemy"
and in the words of the Mohandas.......
"an eye for an eye will ultimately lead to a planet inhabited by the blind".........................grass-hopper 8)
Oh, and Skunky is onto it :shock:
Lexion
05-26-2009, 10:50 PM
Kiwi,
Yes, I'll give anything I have to
help someone.
To a point.
When they stop trying, I stop
giving.
Yes, there are innocents there.
But, there are more terrorists
there than innocents, now.
Sorry, I can't buy into helping
them, anymore.
Just my opinion,
Lex
Yes, there are innocents there.
But, there are more terrorists
there than innocents, now.
dont know about that mate, I would think the innocents would run into the millions, the a-holes, hundreds, but the old addage "its the squeaky wheel that gets the oil" apply's here, through the usual channels, media, govt reports etc, the perception of the problem can be whatever the "spooks" want it to be :(
Lexion
05-26-2009, 11:04 PM
How long to you oil the wheel ?
When all the coin goes to the
WarLords, I say we stop giving.
Obviously a hot topic, one which
we can't agree on at this time.
I respect all views.
I just ask, the same in kind.
Regards,
Lex
pack3tg0st
05-26-2009, 11:05 PM
I respect all views.
Even Deaman's?
Lexion
05-26-2009, 11:08 PM
I respect all views.
Even Deaman's?
Low blow.
Yeah...even though they are idiotic.
Hell, I respect JL.
Regards,
Lex
pack3tg0st
05-26-2009, 11:15 PM
I can respect any view that comes from earnest thought and self-reflection...
John's stuff might be way out there... but the amount of thought he's put into it is amazing...
Deaman... doesn't... as far as I can tell... (being nice here, so cut me slack :D)
guinnessford
05-26-2009, 11:20 PM
Speaking of non thinkers, where have Dea and Kacen been?
pack3tg0st
05-26-2009, 11:24 PM
Kacen has been around...
haven't seen Dea since apeci 09 though...
wonder if he thinks he banned lol
or if Ape did us a favor :P
Lexion
05-26-2009, 11:25 PM
Kacen is active.
Deaman isn't.
JL is posting on OM.
Regards,
Lex
How long to you oil the wheel ?
When all the coin goes to the
WarLords, I say we stop giving.
Obviously a hot topic, one which
we can't agree on at this time.
I respect all views.
I just ask, the same in kind.
Regards,
Lex
fuck the wheel mate , and the oiling there-of,....the point is that if you bleat and scream, you will recieve the attention, if all we get shown is the situation of the "screamer", it is a small step to believing that that is the situation of all parties involved, the manipulation of our thought processes is the key, and it has been employed sucessfully by the clowns in charge for a long time now, very subtle, and very wrong, but it works perfectly,....the tail can wag the dog :(
GhostOfCaptSpaulding
05-26-2009, 11:28 PM
JL is posting on OM.
Help me out here Lex, I've been away for awhile, WTF is OM?
guinnessford
05-26-2009, 11:31 PM
We should rule the world.
We are all smarter and more civil than the ass-clowns that are doing it now.
Lexion
05-26-2009, 11:32 PM
Open Minds.
Fun place.
Regards,
Lex
This theory of running the world that those who control the US and are backed by the politicians keep embarked on is doing so well that we are going broke and the country is basically gone to hell in a hand basket. Guess if one has enough influence or money it doesn't matter. The average guy is screwed. How much longer?
guinnessford
05-26-2009, 11:51 PM
End of summer....
We're sorry, the answer we were looking for was 2012.
guinnessford
05-27-2009, 12:10 AM
Eh, Im not a subscriber in that one.
Maybe something will hapen but I dont beleive its planet x, or anything like that.
Maybe itll be a earthly awakening or something, but nothing deadly/scary/alien/plague/nibiru/blah blah.
Snow Crash
05-27-2009, 12:15 AM
We should rule the world.
We are all smarter and more civil than the ass-clowns that are doing it now.
Sounds like an ace plan. Can I be in charge of space exploration/colonisation and updating the tech tree to technology we should have started using a century ago? Oh, and before I get into that, can I help dismantle the banking system by any means necessary, including feeding THEM their respective balls? If they have any?
Just kidding with ya, GF. We'll do the meltdown ourselves.
We should rule the world.
We are all smarter and more civil than the ass-clowns that are doing it now.
GF for Prez!!!!!!!!!
:hail:
Bullaby,...was he a red-star man?
Bullaby a red star man......More your black-arse man.LOL
itma
was the "Bay of Biscay" your ship?, or the referance to the bay itself? 8)
Nah..Just some old cockroach carrier I found on the net. LOL
ha ha .... I think I found a way to sort out the problem, infiltrate those poor misguided masses with some western educated youth forums,.....you know the sort of thing, lead by example!
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