Federal Law Doesn’t Trump State Medical Cannabis Laws

[skunk]

Game Over: Federal Law Doesn’t Trump State Medical Marijuana Laws (http://blog.mpp.org/medical-marijuana/game-over-federal-law-doesnt-trump-state-medical-marijuana-laws/05182009/)

California’s medical marijuana laws just received their latest legal vindication today - this time at the nation’s highest court. The U.S. Supreme Court announced that it will not be hearing a case lodged by the counties of San Diego and San Bernardino aimed at gutting California’s medical marijuana law (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,520525,00.html). The two counties claimed that the federal law banning all marijuana trumped the state’s medical marijuana law.

The challenge was initially filed in 2006 at the San Diego County superior court after the counties had refused to implement the state-mandated medical marijuana identification card program. The superior court judge sided with patients and state law and strongly denied the counties’ claim. Last year, a state appeals court also ruled against the counties, and the state Supreme Court refused to hear their appeal.

The protracted legal battle has been a popular excuse among California officials trying to shirk their legal obligation to uphold the state’s medical marijuana laws. Now that the U.S. Supreme Court has decided against hearing the case, officials in San Diego, San Bernardino, and seven other counties not following the law have nowhere to go but to obey the will of the voters who overwhelmingly support medical marijuana laws.

Beyond California, the message should now be clear that hiding behind federal law is no longer a legitimate position to take when considering state-level medical marijuana laws.

[GeneralStriker]

Long live self medication.

[apeci]

I'll celebrate when the federal raids actually cease.

[GeneralStriker]

Celebrate? All rightttttt! Break out the medicine cabinet and fire up the bong!

[apeci]

Too late, but it's hangover medication.

[GeneralStriker]

"The day is still young and full of morning promise. And while sobriety is over-rated, there will be time to overcome it." Boycotteverything

[Alessandra]

Break out the medicine cabinet and fire up the bong!


Done and done.

Oh, wait.

[pack3tg0st]

Bout fuckin' time the Fed gov't realizes what powers they're supposed to have according to the constitution...

The way its SUPPOSED to work, is that local politics should affect you more than national politics...

Unfortunately, the Fed Gov't seems to think that they should have dominion over all...

Get the fuck back within the bounds of the constitution fuckheads!

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

I'll celebrate when the federal raids actually cease.

QFT!

Won't see me registering anytime soon...

[skunk]

I believe this is going to end up forcing congress' hand in the not-so-distant future to reschedule cannabis (and hopefully all other biologically-derived substances) from schedule 1 to something similar to alcohol and tobacco.

You'd think adults would be able to choose what to put in their own bodies, especially if it does no to little harm. We seem to have no problem getting shit faced on the weekends or smoking formaldehyde/cyanide laced cigarettes, but as soon as a medicinal/recreational herb comes long with many benefits we can't use it.

Fucking profiteers.

[Cogburn]

I'll celebrate when the federal raids actually cease.

QFT!

Won't see me registering anytime soon...
Doesn't work like that.

Not one single patient has ever been raided in their home by federal agents for use and/or possession within state guidelines... only clubs and growers have been busted.

Since the complete decriminalization bill was submitted to committee in the state congress all DEA actions in the state have ceased. They are not going to go back to raiding dispensaries until that bill is dead or public sentiment at this point might just generate a referendum.... and a state that completely decriminalized would change the nature of the debate forever.

Folks like to dog on Cali for their political system, but it's so chaotic it scares the shit out of TPTB.

It could easily be argued that this is one of the last free places in America.

[Cogburn]

I'd also add that if you are a pot smoker in Cali and still buying from a dealer.... you're a part of the problem.

Get legal and it will be legal.

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

Fucking profiteers.

Damn straight.

So long as there's more money for the fat cats and enforcers in keeping it schedule one, it'll remain as such.

I want to believe as you do, but my cynical side suggests events will transpire against change for the better...



Doesn't work like that.


Perhaps not, but I'd rather grow my own and self-medicate anonymously, thanks.

[apeci]

Not one single patient has ever been raided in their home by federal agents for use and/or possession within state guidelines... only clubs and growers have been busted.
Except of course the patients who grow in their home or the patients in the clinics.

I don't know when the decrim bill was filed. I do know the feds launched raids in February after the Obama stated they would stop.

I don't dog on California... just San Francisco.

[pack3tg0st]

Folks like to dog on Cali for their political system, but it's so chaotic it scares the shit out of TPTB.

It could easily be argued that this is one of the last free places in America.

Lived there for 3 years man...

I get kicked out of a concert for sparking up a Marlboro, even though the guy next to me has a joint...

Last free place in America my ass...

you're free as long as you are comfortably within their extremely liberal standards...

Its illegal to smoke in public in many places there...

I hated California.

[Lexion]

It could easily be argued that this is one of the last free places in America.

And so broke, they can't pay attention.

They're talking of cutting welfare.

How will the dope smokers buy their
shit, when the free checks stop
rolling in ?

Free....yeah.

Regards,
Lex

[Cogburn]

The talk of no police and no firefighters didn't scare us so now they are whipping up the fears of the lowest educated portion of the population.

Don't believe the hype.

[Lexion]

The talk of no police and no firefighters didn't scare us so now they are whipping up the fears of the lowest educated portion of the population.

Don't believe the hype.


You call reality "hype" ?

Cog, I thought so much better of you.

California, in a way is a microcosm of
the U.S.

On it's own, it's the eighth largest
economy in the world.

And, it's fucking BROKE.

You call that "hype" ?

I call it a premonition of the U.S.
in a couple years. At best.

Regards,
Lex

[Lexion]

Hype (http://www.wtop.com/?nid=104&sid=1323006)

Jesus man....

You call that "hype" ?

I guess I need to start smoking
weed again, to really understand
how a state going broke is "hype".

Fuck that.

I prefer understanding reality.

Regards,
Lex

[pack3tg0st]

Lex...

The United States is Bankrupt.

Fiscally, Morally and politically...

Duck and cover, we're fuckin' fucked...

We haven't even begun to feel the effects of last fall's stock market "slump" yet...

This is the last growing season before we start to feel it...

Start growing.

[GeneralStriker]

Good advice. My garden's in. 4000 square feet this year. You're right on this.

[Cogburn]

[offsite=http://www.sacbee.com/ourregion/story/1879764.html:1iic40c4]Schwarzenegger promised to make severe reductions in education, health care and law enforcement.
"Every department, every agency, every board needs to essentially be on the table for consolidation, downsizing and, in some cases, elimination," said Assemblyman Sam Blakeslee of San Luis Obispo, who will become Assembly GOP leader June 1.

"Unfortunately, all the choices are bad now," said Senate Republican leader Dennis Hollingsworth of Murrieta.

Steinberg, D-Sacramento, said Republicans should quit talking abstractly and submit a specific list of cuts.[/offsite:1iic40c4]
Oh really? Cutting education, law enforcement and public services?

What the fuck else is the state government responsible for?

The state wanted to borrow money from cities and counties to balance the budget... you know what we said?

[attachment=0:1iic40c4]Flaming finger.jpg[/attachment:1iic40c4]

Gray Davis totally fucked this state and we were on the way out, but we weren't above water just yet. Arnold had this shit under control until the credit freeze up and we couldn't continue the game of musical chairs. Nearly every bastard that was in Sacramento that backed Davis is gone now.

So what's that mean? No state run schools for delinquents and no state highway patrol. Some bloated public service programs have to cut the fat.

This is the system screaming because it's got financial diarrhea... this is not Mad Max.

I don't have the confidence the rest of the country has the infrastructure or political processes to withstand the storm that California is currently enduring.

[Lexion]

So, you retract your "hype"
statement ?

Curious,
Lex

[pack3tg0st]

Good advice. My garden's in. 4000 square feet this year. You're right on this.

Thats friggan HUGE man! lol good on ya :P

We're growing some stuff here... but for the most part, I'm banking on my knowledge of history to keep us going.

I know how to do shit that society forgot how to do decades ago...

Meanwhile, I'm still working on our "root cellar" for this summer... Gonna stock it good and full, and start canning like a mofo...

[Cogburn]

So, you retract your "hype"
statement ?

Curious,
Lex
Not at all. Saying the state is doomed or that vital services are going to be cut is fucking ludicrous, fearmongering hype.

Note there's no specifics in there anywhere... in fact... the specifics of these silly claims are exactly the arguing point of the moment. Arnold's camp refuses to be nailed down to hard facts.

Why? To scare the shit out of the rest of the country to put pressure on the Fed to provide a bailout. Period.

It's not Cali's fault that Gray Davis and Ken Lay are criminals. We recalled that fucker when his complicity came to light; that's how Arnold got his job in the first place.

The duplicity of bailing out GM and AIG but allowing the 8th largest economy in the world to tumble into depression, potentially bringing the rest of the country with it, is simply awe inspiring. Oh... but we can't print any more bailout money. The well has run dry. History should record the monumental error in judgment portrayed in the selection of recipients of bailout money. Notice how no one says "too big to fail" anymore.

What you seem to be arguing is that TPTB in California are going to allow the state to degrade to a point of uncontrolled anarchy.

Reread the Grapes of Wrath. We've been here before. It's not pretty but it's not the end of the world.

[Lexion]

Cog,

Let's ressurect this thread in
a year, and see what exactly
is hype.

Fair enough ?

Lex

[Cogburn]

You seen those maps of a split United States with California, Oregon, Washington, Colorado, Nevada and Arizona forming a new common political structure?

Don't be laughing too hard just yet.

Overlay those states with the states that have legalized medicinal marijuana and reaffirmed 10th amendment rights. Next overlay on top of that food production, industrial manufacturing capacity, available land, available resource, oil production, oil refinement capacity, and tourist income on a state-by-state basis.

Now start asking yourself who really needs who.

[Lexion]

This would make a great
live debate.

Regards,
Lex

[GeneralStriker]

You seen those maps of a split United States with California, Oregon, Washington, Colorado, Nevada and Arizona forming a new common political structure?

Don't be laughing too hard just yet.

Overlay those states with the states that have legalized medicinal marijuana and reaffirmed 10th amendment rights. Next overlay on top of that food production, industrial manufacturing capacity, available land, available resource, oil production, oil refinement capacity, and tourist income on a state-by-state basis.

Now start asking yourself who really needs who.Overlay them with Spanish culture and you have... Aztlan. And don't forget to include Texas and New Mexico.

[GeneralStriker]

This would make a great
live debate.

Regards,
LexIt may develop into the greatest live debate in the history of the republic.

[Lexion]

This would make a great
live debate.

Regards,
LexIt may develop into the greatest live debate in the history of the republic.

I'm game.

In Cog's court, now.

Regards,
Lex

[pack3tg0st]

Why? To scare the shit out of the rest of the country to put pressure on the Fed to provide a bailout. Period.

Don't be so sure about that man... My state of Michigan is recieving bailout funds... and they just announced that they will be having to cut the budget on critical programs already... including law enforcement and medical support...

The states really are broker than dog shit man... this isn't a "Game" to get more money... at least for our state...

[Cogburn]

You seen those maps of a split United States with California, Oregon, Washington, Colorado, Nevada and Arizona forming a new common political structure?

Don't be laughing too hard just yet.

Overlay those states with the states that have legalized medicinal marijuana and reaffirmed 10th amendment rights. Next overlay on top of that food production, industrial manufacturing capacity, available land, available resource, oil production, oil refinement capacity, and tourist income on a state-by-state basis.

Now start asking yourself who really needs who.Overlay them with Spanish culture and you have... Aztlan. And don't forget to include Texas and New Mexico.
I've been a minority my entire life in one venue or another.

Being a white in California doesn't phase me.

Certainly puts an end to the immigration debate.

"Fuck off, Lou Dobbs... It's not your border anymore."


Don't be so sure about that man... My state of Michigan is recieving bailout funds... and they just announced that they will be having to cut the budget on critical programs already... including law enforcement and medical support...

The states really are broker than dog shit man... this isn't a "Game" to get more money... at least for our state...Michigan isn't California. If you take away auto manufacturing from Michigan, what's left?

You already got your bailout and it went to GM.

[pack3tg0st]

Michigan isn't California. If you take away auto manufacturing from Michigan, what's left?

You already got your bailout and it went to GM.

Actually, Michigan has much more than Auto manufacturing man... We got a lil bit of everything...

Our "bailout" didn't go to GM... GM is a private enterprise...

I could likewise say that California got its bailout already... it went to Freddie and Fannie...

California led the charge for this real estate collapse...

[GeneralStriker]

Michigan is the most beautiful place on earth. It will always have that.

[pack3tg0st]

Michigan is the most beautiful place on earth. It will always have that.

I thought so too man... Than I lived in alaska for a few years...

Its tough to beat Alaska...

Michigan is friggan beautiful though...

[Cogburn]

Michigan isn't California. If you take away auto manufacturing from Michigan, what's left?

You already got your bailout and it went to GM.

Actually, Michigan has much more than Auto manufacturing man... We got a lil bit of everything...

Our "bailout" didn't go to GM... GM is a private enterprise...

I could likewise say that California got its bailout already... it went to Freddie and Fannie...

California led the charge for this real estate collapse...
California is #2 in auto manufacturing according to 2002 statistics, 2nd to Michigan. California is #2 in oil production and refining capacity, 2nd to Texas. California is #1 in hybrid automobile production.

Arguing Fannie and Freddie is a tougher case for you to argue than you might think. A 30% failure might sound scary because it equates to around 500,000 homes... but when was the last time the economy of Michigan saw 1,500,000 in home sales in a single year?

Percentages are misleading outside proper perspective.

EdIT: I'm stoned and my numbers are all made up... but you can look up the exact figures and I'm pretty sure my point still stands. :)

[pack3tg0st]

California led the bubble man... who in their right mind pays 750,000+ for a 1,500 sq/ft house on less than an acre of land...

California has always been famous for living outside their means... and for the most part, the rest of the country thinks california is full of "fake" people... (not accusing anyone of anything, just saying what the non-california opinion is... so please, put the pitchforks away :P)

Thats the point I was trying to make with the housing bubble collapse... when people pay 750k for a house that was purchased 30 years ago for 75k... well... something's not right...

Side note: The 750k house is for real. My father in law purchased it for around 70-80k back in the 70's... and when we sold it after he passed away, it went for 750k...

My parents bought a house back in the 70's here in michigan for about 85k... and it was last appraised at 175k... That is slow, steady, healthy equity growth... not 100x its origional value mate...

My stuff might not make sense either cog... i'm on Whiskey and my wisdom teeth pain killers right now lol kinda spacey.

[torbjon]

"...who in their right mind pays 750,000+ for a 1,500 sq/ft house on less than an acre of land... "

Um, NYC people? Only without the land... and it's a six story walk up... and that's considered a real deal... Oh, and if there is a view of anything other than a brick wall 18 inches away from your window then the going rate is twice that.

[Cogburn]

"...who in their right mind pays 750,000+ for a 1,500 sq/ft house on less than an acre of land... "

Um, NYC people? Only without the land... and it's a six story walk up... and that's considered a real deal... Oh, and if there is a view of anything other than a brick wall 18 inches away from your window then the going rate is twice that.
Smite.

[pack3tg0st]

"...who in their right mind pays 750,000+ for a 1,500 sq/ft house on less than an acre of land... "

Um, NYC people? Only without the land... and it's a six story walk up... and that's considered a real deal... Oh, and if there is a view of anything other than a brick wall 18 inches away from your window then the going rate is twice that.

I've also heard that Florida was pretty bad too... But I didn't spend enough time in NYC and Florida to be able to speak on those areas :P

[torbjon]

I am Smitten
I'm the Real Thing
Have you seen her come around?
My crush, with eyeliner...
http://www.torbtown.com/nola/nola_4_5/thumbnola_017.jpg

[Cogburn]

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l115/Gothrin/FMA/hughes8rc.png

You're so cute. :)

[torbjon]

I'm butt ugly, she's the cute one:
http://www.torbtown.com/nola/nola_4_5/thumbnola_078.jpg

Pack, all states have at least Some overpriced real estate... California and Florida have a lot of "desirable" real estate... so perhaps more than their fair share of overpriced crap... you know what blew me away? Land prices in Alaska of all places. The one thing they have in Abundance is underpopulated land, and yet a slummy little half acre of swamp with a shack on it cost me a quarter million bucks (twice what the family farm in California cost us, and that was a Nice house with some usable land)

no one thing caused the bubble to grow and pop... unless it's US, the individuals, who let it grow and pop...

[pack3tg0st]

Alaska still has the "Homestead" law in effect... so I guess its where you want your land lol

anyway, Since we're on the topic of daughters... I was scared when I first found out our second was gonna be a girl...

but ya get over it really fast :P

Little Girls are epic!

[Cogburn]

It doesn't last long before it morphs into... something else.

Mine's in black. :)
o]SuulXFIk4uwo]

[pack3tg0st]

oh damn cog... yours is getting close to that age I'm dreading lol

Thats why I stockpile firearms :P

[Cogburn]

It's not so bad if you prep them right.

"Dad, some boys called me a 'slut'."

"Are you a slut?"

"What is a slut?"

"Talk to your mother."

(an hour passes)

"I'm not a slut. No way."

"Then the next time you see them you break their nose and tell them that's what happens to people that say nasty things about a lady."

Three years of tae kwon do and a year of aikido and I don't have to worry about much but the details.

[skunk]

Cog,

Let's ressurect this thread in
a year, and see what exactly
is hype.

Fair enough ?

Lex

Resurrected a little bit over a year later.

Anything change?

[Lexion]

Not that I'm aware of.

[Cogburn]

You mean other than Prop 19?

[Lexion]

I'm still trying to understand how
they avoid the U.A. issue.

[BE2]

miss the jar

[Lexion]

Piss off.

Serious subject.

[BE2]

wanna but some clean piss?

[Cogburn]

I'm still trying to understand how
they avoid the U.A. issue.

There's no avoidance. The only people who need to be piss tested in CA right now are federal and state government contractors, and even then its only those whose insurance or federal law requires it.

Raytheon employees are piss tested, the worker at the DMV window is not.

I was shocked to find out just how much piss testing was done without legal requirement in the midwest. I'd wager it's upwards of 75%.

[BE2]

that's cuz they figured out how to extract THC from piss and sell it to the Chinese.

[Cogburn]

Of a sort...

LabCorp is the #1 UA lab in the nation... with 28,000 employees (https://www.labcorp.com/wps/portal/!ut/p/c1/04_SB8K8xLLM9MSSzPy8xBz9CP0os_hACzO_QCM_IwMLo1ALAy Nj1yBnQxNfAwNfA_1wkA7cKgyMIfIGOICjgb6fR35uqn5Bdnaa o6OiIgDmRNwt/dl2/d1/L2dJQSEvUUt3QS9ZQnB3LzZfVUU0UzFJOTMwOEFLRTBJT0U4VV Q1VTMwMjU!/) and an annual revenue of $4,700,000,000 (http://phx.corporate-ir.net/External.File?item=UGFyZW50SUQ9Mzc4NTF8Q2hpbGRJRD0 tMXxUeXBlPTM=&t=1).

There's a lot of money in urine.

[Lexion]

If you have a CDL, you are tested
every 2 years.

If you have an accident at work,
you are tested.

How are these things avoided ?

[Cogburn]

If you have a CDL, you are tested
every 2 years.

If you have an accident at work,
you are tested.

How are these things avoided ?

Again, avoid what?

Your BAL is tested if you have an accident at work. There's no difference. The question is only if the extent of the chemical in your system indicates ingestion prior to the incident.

Nothing changes.

[Lexion]

If you get high Sat., it's still in
your system Wed.

Something has got to change.

[Cogburn]

If you get high Sat., it's still in
your system Wed.

Something has got to change.

"In your system" means that it has been metabolized into other chemicals. It is those chemicals which are tested for when you get UA'd.

The concentration of metabolites indicates how recently you last smoked, which is what is measured.

See Diane Schuler for more information.

[BE2]

See Diane Schuler for more information. but be a better driver.

[Ima Nasshole]

It's not so bad if you prep them right.

"Then the next time you see them you break their nose and tell them that's what happens to people that say nasty things about a lady."



So you're raising her as a conservative? Nice!!!

[Ima Nasshole]

I'm still trying to understand how
they avoid the U.A. issue.

When you go in with the jar, shit in the fucker... that's how you get around it.

[BE2]

i vote for that. the other alternative is to work for yourself instead of all these government jobs.