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Good question!......hold on, maybe not......can the 70's be considered as having a counter-culture?
can the 70's be considered as having a counter-culture?
counter culture of the 70's was bogans.
what did the 70's accomplish....they introduced ac/dc to the world, what more do you need?
they introduced ac/dc to the world, what more do you need ?
ear-plugs? :)
JiveTurkey
05-25-2009, 12:09 AM
can the 70's be considered as having a counter-culture?
counter culture of the 70's was bogans.
what did the 70's accomplish....they introduced ac/dc to the world, what more do you need?
And introduced Bon Scott to life at the bottom of a bottle. Such a shame.
JAAIIIIILLLLLLLLLBREAK
JiveTurkey
05-25-2009, 12:09 AM
they introduced ac/dc to the world, what more do you need ?
ear-plugs? :)
blasphemy!
And introduced Bon Scott to life at the bottom of a bottle. Such a shame.
JAAIIIIILLLLLLLLLBREAK
and so legends are born, and maybe he wouldnt have wanted it any other way, who knows.
Cogburn
05-25-2009, 01:15 AM
Swingers Clubs
Leisure Suits
Sha-na-na
Herpes
Sanford and Son
Me :)
JiveTurkey
05-25-2009, 01:39 AM
Me :)
And my argument for why the 70s sucked is born.
haha
:twisted:
Watcher-In-The-Shadows
05-25-2009, 02:19 AM
What exactly is a counter-culter anyway? :lol:
Just playing KIWI.
You forgot Heroine abuse skyrocketing cog.
boycotteverything
05-25-2009, 02:21 AM
Watergate and its fallout defines the 70s to me. The visceral distrust of government being the most significant consequence. That, combined with the ongoing, cloying dubunk of the Warren Commission Report, allowed conspiracy theory to gain traction in American culture. Logically extended, unfortunately, it ultimately also gave rise to class of non-critical thinkers whom we suffer to this very day. The Illuminati and NWO bullshitters owe their existence to these important trends of the 70s. The essential venality and self-serving nature of politics in general was exposed in that decade as in no other- a trend just a bit more significant than the advent of 'leisure suits' and 'swingers clubs.'
Cogburn
05-25-2009, 03:01 AM
Good point.
The Illuminatus! Trilogy
I happen to be reading that again right now for the 1,000th time. It was starting to become dated around 1990 and has been all but forgotten since 2001, but what a fantastic novel when I found it in 1992.
torbjon
05-25-2009, 03:25 AM
The bulk of those brain washed fuckheads born in the fifties procreated and had their brats in the seventies.... not sure that constitutes an "accomplishment" but it's one of the things that went down then.
Swingers Clubs
Leisure Suits
Sha-na-na
Herpes
Sanford and Son
Me :)
you forgot to mention Tom Wolf and Carl Sagan sharing the same tailor Cog,,...that was a biggie for me :shock:
I would of bet Mojo's monthly Disabillity grant that this topic would be ignored, ,.....that would have allowed me to do another one for the 80's, then the 90's.......IMO nothing of any great note happened in any of the decades following the 60's within the boundries of what took place there, and that was to be my long-winded point, the 60's are still inspiration for a lot of "alernatives" around today,.......they were the first to tell "the man"...."go fuck yourself" in a big way!......the mood was changing to the end of the 50's, but it was the 60's that took the ball and ran, I was a kid in the 60,s, so I was not even really "there" as such, but even today, although its been successfully pointed out nothing materially was gained for the better from the era, IMO it stands alone, for better or worse, the revolution of revelation :smokin:
JiveTurkey
05-25-2009, 03:45 AM
Swingers Clubs
Leisure Suits
Sha-na-na
Herpes
Sanford and Son
Me :)
you forgot to mention Tom Wolf and Carl Sagan sharing the same tailor Cog,,...that was a biggie for me :shock:
I would of bet Mojo's monthly Disabillity grant that this topic would be ignored, ,.....that would have allowed me to do another one for the 80's, then the 90's.......IMO nothing of any great note happened in any of the decades following the 60's within the boundries of what took place there, and that was to be my long-winded point, the 60's are still inspiration for a lot of "alernatives" around today,.......they were the first to tell "the man"...."go fuck yourself" in a big way!......the mood was changing to the end of the 50's, but it was the 60's that took the ball and ran, I was a kid in the 60,s, so I was not even really "there" as such, but even today, although its been successfully pointed out nothing materially was gained for the better from the era, IMO it stands alone, for better or worse, the revolution of revelation :smokin:
The 60s.
What a shame.
The decade socialism really began to take hold.
:P
/thread derailment.
torbjon
05-25-2009, 03:50 AM
The seventies was a "spin off" generation...
Spin offs can be cool though...
Operation Intercept went down in '69, making it much harder to get foreign drugs. Shortly thereafter, the Northern California Cartel got its act together and good ol' American Green Bud started to hit the scene in a big way.... that's a nice spin off product.... unless you all actually LIKE that seedy brown bug infested crap that tastes like dirt... or that oh so chemically ripened South East Asian crap that makes you spit out three eyed kids with no toes?
What exactly is a counter-culter anyway? :lol:
Just playing KIWI.
You forgot Heroine abuse skyrocketing cog.
aaaaah...just twigged Wraith, Title edit complete-------beep
are you a late 70's or early 80's Jasn?
torbjon
05-25-2009, 04:13 AM
um, we were TOLD that heroine use increased during the (pick a decade) so we could go to war with (pick a heroine producing country) but honestly? How many junkies do you know? The junkies I grew up with either died out or cleaned up their act... I never noticed heroine getting "easier" to get... it actually got Harder to get for while there...
The 60s.
What a shame.
The decade socialism really began to take hold.
the socialism, or more correctly, the perverted version we are stuck with today, was not the intention of those calling for fair-play and equality back then,..alas its what we got :?
Mungodave
05-25-2009, 06:43 AM
Bon died of an overdose, precipitated by alcohol.
Yes I can and no I wont.
And as to the OP another answer is me.
And to that there is no debunking.
Mungo
boycotteverything
05-25-2009, 09:29 AM
The 60s.
What a shame.
The decade socialism really began to take hold.
Chk chk boom, young fella. Read on...
Actually Socialism took a firm hold in the 30's. The program of Norman Thomas had been adopted lock, stock and barrel by mid decade. Legislated in the first hundred days of FDR's first term, it was called "The New Deal" and it was in fact a new world order in America. It was brought about in reaction to the venality and abject corruption of the laissez faire babel of the prior decade- the decade of Harding, Coolidge, and Hoover- that had resulted in a total breakdown of the Capitalist, cum Robber Barron, paradigm- the breakdown that gave us The Great Depression. Socialist programs developed or conceived in that decade that are still held sacrosanct today include Social Security, AFDC, FDIC, Medicare, progressive taxation, expansion of human rights, integration, Unemployment Insurance, Equal Opportunity, progressive labor law, national service, minimum wage... ad infinitum.
For a wonderful and short pop history of the era that gave birth to socialist America I recommend this book, written by a very smart Harvard professor in 1932: http://xroads.virginia.edu/~HYPER/Allen/Cover.html Read it and perhaps (though doubtfully) you'll finally understand that history did not begin in the year of your birth. (But be sure to get there before Apeci tweaks that website)
The 60s.
What a shame.
The decade socialism really began to take hold.
Chk chk boom, young fella. Read on...
Actually Socialism took a firm hold in the 30's. The program of Norman Thomas had been adopted lock, stock and barrel by mid decade. Legislated in the first hundred days of FDR's first term, it was called "The New Deal" and it was in fact a new world order in America. It was brought about in reaction to the venality and abject corruption of the laissez faire babel of the prior decade- the decade of Harding, Coolidge, and Hoover- that had resulted in a total breakdown of the Capitalist, cum Robber Barron, paradigm- the breakdown that gave us The Great Depression. Socialist programs developed or conceived in that decade that are still held sacrosanct today include Social Security, AFDC, FDIC, Medicare, progressive taxation, expansion of human rights, integration, Unemployment Insurance, Equal Opportunity, progressive labor law, national service, minimum wage... ad infinitum.
For a wonderful and short pop history of the era that gave birth to socialist America I recommend this book, written by a very smart Harvard professor in 1932: http://xroads.virginia.edu/~HYPER/Allen/Cover.html Read it and perhaps (though doubtfully) you'll finally understand that history did not begin in the year of your birth. (But be sure to get there before Apeci tweaks that website)
will I'll be fucked, Ive searched high and low but cant find the condescension anywhere?????....2 plain vanilla cup-cakesto my mate BE :smokin:
Cogburn
05-25-2009, 07:08 PM
The 60s.
What a shame.
The decade socialism really began to take hold.
the socialism, or more correctly, the perverted version we are stuck with today, was not the intention of those calling for fair-play and equality back then,..alas its what we got :?
Social consciousness, not "socialism", is the "yin" to the "yang" of capitalism or corporatism. It is what allows for a society that has prospered under the latter two regimes to express it's compassion for the broken and the lazy.
That's not to say one should endorse or incentivize laziness... it simply means that a minimum level of subsistence should be provided. This could possibly be in the form of compulsory agricultural education, free basic farm equipment, and the use free of a government owned plot of land for farming.
Freedom within a system that is derived from authoritarian control systems will always have limitations.
In the 60s they thought such non-authoritarian control systems could exist.
In the 70s they all grew up and realized how utterly non-sustainable that was and then went back to the status quo since, at that point, they were all out of ideas.
The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent full of doubt.
- Russell, Bertrand
Lexion
05-25-2009, 07:46 PM
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JiveTurkey
05-25-2009, 08:04 PM
In the 60s they thought such non-authoritarian control systems could exist.
In the 70s they all grew up and realized how utterly non-sustainable that was and then went back to the status quo since, at that point, they were all out of ideas.
In the 80s, they realized how yummy money (and cocaine) really were. Proceeded to forget their ideals of the 60s in favor of the ideals of the 80s.
In the 90s, the children they managed to work into their lives (and who were raised with the beliefs that they could "do no wrong" and that they were somehow special) grew into young adults that were weak, lazy and worshiped money and technology. They began their own search for the latest cause to get behind in the hopes of getting the attention they never received from their ex-hippy turned yuppy parents and to affirm for themselves that they somehow mattered.
In the 2000s, those kids are now adults and they are still looking for a cause to get behind and for some sign that they exist. They are now raising the kids they managed to get knocked up with in single parent homes and putting their own need for happiness ahead of the child they created.
Cogburn
05-25-2009, 08:10 PM
In the 2000s, those kids are now adults and they are still looking for a cause to get behind and for some sign that they exist. They are now raising the kids they managed to get knocked up with in single parent homes and putting their own need for happiness ahead of the child they created.
I can't help but take issue with this last characterization, being that you had me until there. Too young for the first Gulf War... too old for the second.
There's always exceptions to the rule, sure, but I can't believe that for as many people that I know that made choices similar to myself that you're oversimplifying to the point of perverting the truth.
On these very forums you have both myself and Eyeforalie, who made some errors in judgment but then rose to the additional, if unexpected, responsibilities.
I'd say the 2000s are more classified by those who are able to face the consequences of their decisions and those who do not.
Hell... I might even concede that it's more those who realize their actions have consequences and those who do not.
JiveTurkey
05-25-2009, 08:17 PM
In the 2000s, those kids are now adults and they are still looking for a cause to get behind and for some sign that they exist. They are now raising the kids they managed to get knocked up with in single parent homes and putting their own need for happiness ahead of the child they created.
I can't help but take issue with this last characterization, being that you had me until there. Too young for the first Gulf War... too old for the second.
There's always exceptions to the rule, sure, but I can't believe that for as many people that I know that made choices similar to myself that you're oversimplifying to the point of perverting the truth.
On these very forums you have both myself and Eyeforalie, who made some errors in judgment but then rose to the additional, if unexpected, responsibilities.
I'd say the 2000s are more classified by those who are able to face the consequences of their decisions and those who do not.
Hell... I might even concede that it's more those who realize their actions have consequences and those who do not.
Oh, it's definitely oversimplified. I was talking in the sense that this has more become "the rule" and people like us (I'm one as well) are the exception. Though, I had a great childhood and my parents were the best I could hope for....maybe that has something to do with why some of us realize the concept of consequences and repercussions. Or maybe I was just lucky.
Cogburn
05-25-2009, 08:22 PM
In the 2000s, those kids are now adults and they are still looking for a cause to get behind and for some sign that they exist. They are now raising the kids they managed to get knocked up with in single parent homes and putting their own need for happiness ahead of the child they created.
I can't help but take issue with this last characterization, being that you had me until there. Too young for the first Gulf War... too old for the second.
There's always exceptions to the rule, sure, but I can't believe that for as many people that I know that made choices similar to myself that you're oversimplifying to the point of perverting the truth.
On these very forums you have both myself and Eyeforalie, who made some errors in judgment but then rose to the additional, if unexpected, responsibilities.
I'd say the 2000s are more classified by those who are able to face the consequences of their decisions and those who do not.
Hell... I might even concede that it's more those who realize their actions have consequences and those who do not.
Oh, it's definitely oversimplified. I was talking in the sense that this has more become "the rule" and people like us (I'm one as well) are the exception. Though, I had a great childhood and my parents were the best I could hope for....maybe that has something to do with why some of us realize the concept of consequences and repercussions. Or maybe I was just lucky.
So many of us to be so "lucky" isn't luck.
All that needs to happen is for us to continue to acknowledge that there are millions of us out there and maybe once we make a final tally we might find that we are indeed the majority.
Perhaps the only reason we think the opposite is true is because they never publish statistics on the number of reconstructed families, only the incomplete ones.
JiveTurkey
05-25-2009, 09:39 PM
Perhaps.
I just base my judgements on what I see around me. Everywhere I have been in my adult life has been suffering from the same problems. Maybe it's not as bad as it seems to me.
Cogburn
05-25-2009, 09:43 PM
Perhaps.
I just base my judgements on what I see around me. Everywhere I have been in my adult life has been suffering from the same problems. Maybe it's not as bad as it seems to me.
Finding problems is always easier than finding the things that work.
When it works it's invisible by nature.
:smokin:
GeneralStriker
05-25-2009, 09:45 PM
Maybe it's not as bad as it seems to me.It is neither good nor bad. It just is.
here's a tounge in cheek looking at two old mates from the 70's,.....one wont let go
k]_ghaNlqT4I4k]
Foxtrot Oscar
05-26-2009, 12:29 AM
And there it is.
You can keep being a tit, or you can move on.
Or are we forced to move on and only the tits are the true?
Again we come to yet another problem though. Fake tits. Far too many of those out there, pretending to be real true tits, but when you get right down to it they're fake.
At the end of the day the only thing that is true is that it's all about tits.
Fox
Cogburn
05-26-2009, 03:08 AM
I like how you just summed up all of life as an interpretation of Rule 31.
Tits, or GTFO.
Perhaps.
I just base my judgements on what I see around me. Everywhere I have been in my adult life has been suffering from the same problems. Maybe it's not as bad as it seems to me.
its fuckin worse if anything Jason,....
Absolute power has no necessity to lie, it may be silent-while responsible goverments obliged to speak, not only disguise the truth, but lie with effrontery......Napolean Bonaparte
From the introduction to "The seventies" by Shelton Waldrep.
The seventies have now become a key part of the equation of our millenial anxiety-the place to look for the answer to the question: Who have we become at the century's end? Whether in "high" art or in mass culture the seventies were a time when the use of technology and self-referential popular culture began to evidence the full postmodern effect of the rise of late capitalism. The clue to our own present seems mysteriously locked somewhere in that slippery decade.
.....snip......
To study the seventies now is to work on what we are trying to remember as much as what we are trying to forget.
.....snip....
Specifically, the seventies valued internal contradiction in the artistic forms that it produced. This complexity not only created a richer popular culture than some might imagine, but it also provided an opportunity for a working out of social and aesthetic problems that were left over from various other previous decades.
I love the seventies, the music, the art, the fashion.......because memory of that time for my generation is stronger and more poignant, just as the 60's would be for those older than me, and likewise the 80's and 90's for younger generations, the question is moot due to the changes in perspective of each generation.
Each decade has it's own value and influence on the culture experiencing it at the time, and as an enduring footnote no decade imo has anymore or less influence.
boycotteverything
05-26-2009, 03:21 PM
true, that
boycotteverything
05-26-2009, 04:15 PM
I'll never credit the animus of one generation towards another. In the end we're all just looking for a meaningful way to dispose of our 70 years. It does occur to me, however, that there is a certain dysfunctional attribute in the marginalization of preceding generations. It's Freudian in nature and based in resentment. And as Freud pointed out, such proactive marginalization of one's progenitors is singularly unhelpful, defensive, and essentially in bad faith. It's always a hell of lot easier to place blame on one's mother than to face the responsibility for one's own failings. Such a cop-out is in evidence right here on these 60s and 70s threads. I would cite Wrat and Cogburn as the chief offenders- but the Dear Leader must also be held to account. Seize the moment and bury the blame-- if you have the strength.
Cogburn
05-26-2009, 05:48 PM
Animus, at least in these threads, was borne from the seeming incredulity with which you guys took our perfectly valid criticism of the 60s.
It'd be easy to dispose the sentiment as generational angst as opposed to specific revulsion at those facts which you presented.
... but as this thread has shown, those of us on these forums from latter generations seem to be able to take the criticism with a bit more style than seemingly the former... or we'd have 5 or 6 new affiliate logos at the footer of the page.
30 years from know, when some fucktard on whatever will pass for the internet in that age criticizes the failures of GenX, the least I intend to be able to say is that I, personally, acted as closely as humanly possible to bring about the manifestation of my personal beliefs for as long as I was physically able. Can you say the same?
Unfortunately I was here towards the end of your generation, but without a Ouija board you may not be around to participate in the conversation when the tables are turned.
There's no blame. There's only pragmatic realization of the failures of those who have come before. They serve as a warning to those that come after.
Sorry it just happens to be a period of time in which you participated.
The thing I don't get is what have we done for the world as a group . . . Fuck all . . . we barely take care of our own . . . as far as human well being goes . . . we now have a high margin of greed, I want it all . . . and millions in complete poverty . . . so we have grow in greed, but lost our way on resect for our fellow man . . . so it make me wonder what have we really learnt . . . :)
Sorry it happens to be period's of time in which we all have participated in . . . not one know period . . . unless you got the date!
We are the makers of our life . . . no other bastard . . . take responsablity. . . . :smokin:
boycotteverything
05-26-2009, 06:32 PM
We are the makers of our life . . . no other bastard . . . take responsibility. . . .Amen to that, Sister.
boycotteverything
05-26-2009, 06:35 PM
There's only pragmatic realization of the failures of those who have come before. Pull up a couch and tell us about your mother...
GhostOfCaptSpaulding
05-26-2009, 06:47 PM
We are the makers of our life
[offsite:b27n95kn]See the world as your self.
Have faith in the way things are.
Love the world as your self;
then you can care for all things.
Tao Te Ching (http://academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/core9/phalsall/texts/taote-v3.html)[/offsite:b27n95kn]
[offsite:b27n95kn]...no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.
Desiderata (http://www.fleurdelis.com/desiderata.htm)[/offsite:b27n95kn]
It annoys the fusk out of me when I hear......" its our fault, we let it happen, we did nothing about it" fuck off!!!!!
I sure had no part in the system I was born into, the dog was up and running when I arrived, as it was for everyone else,the power-base in control of the game have had a strangle hold over us from the beggining, ......so if its "our" fault, what were we expected to have done to change anything?,........for most people to survive meant to STFU and play along or you and your family will starve to death, so it was/is our fault!!.....how fuckin insulting :pound:
Cogburn
05-26-2009, 08:27 PM
There's only pragmatic realization of the failures of those who have come before. Pull up a couch and tell us about your mother...
I could ask my mom to join the forums and discuss her participation in the failures of her generation if you want, though there's no guarantee that she will.
We could just skip the silliness and talk about your personal contributions to the failures of your generation if you'd like.
There's only pragmatic realization of the failures of those who have come before. Pull up a couch and tell us about your mother...
I could ask my mom to join the forums and discuss her participation in the failures of her generation if you want, though there's no guarantee that she will.
We could just skip the silliness and talk about your personal contributions to the failures of your generation if you'd like.
:lol: :lol: :lol: on so many levels :lol: :lol: :lol: . . .
I'll never credit the animus of one generation towards another. In the end we're all just looking for a meaningful way to dispose of our 70 years. It does occur to me, however, that there is a certain dysfunctional attribute in the marginalization of preceding generations. It's Freudian in nature and based in resentment. And as Freud pointed out, such proactive marginalization of one's progenitors is singularly unhelpful, defensive, and essentially in bad faith. It's always a hell of lot easier to place blame on one's mother than to face the responsibility for one's own failings. Such a cop-out is in evidence right here on these 60s and 70s threads. I would cite Wrat and Cogburn as the chief offenders- but the Dear Leader must also be held to account. Seize the moment and bury the blame-- if you have the strength.
following that reasoning any criticism of any subject by anyone is a misogynous attack on their mother.
say nothing, never criticise your elders, tow the party line, deny deny deny (ignorance).
anyone following the 2 threads so far will have come to the astounding conclusion that the world we live in is an illusion, that in reality we live in a Utopia borne of the 60's.
you dont belong on CT forums you should be participating in MSM forums.