View Full Version : DMCA Take-Down Notice: AboveTopSecret.com
JiveTurkey
05-16-2009, 02:51 PM
Attn: "Amkon.net" operators and HostGator service provider...
Pursuant to 17 USC 512(c)(3)(A), this communication serves as a statement that:
As CEO of The Above Network, LLC, I am an authorized agent for content posted to our online social content community, "AboveTopSecret.com", as authorized by members in our Terms & Conditions as they elect to join the community.
These exclusive rights are being violated by material available upon your site, without proper attribution or adherence to our clearly posted usage guidelines, at the following URL(s):
viewtopic.php?f=84&t=6603&start=80
first post by "homingpigeon"
second post by "cogburn"
third post by "cogburn"
forth post by "hominpigeon"
sixth post by "cogburn"
ninth post by "homingpigeon"
viewtopic.php?f=84&t=6603&start=60
second post by "pack3tg0st"
14th post by "pack3tg0st"
16th post by "hominpigeon"
viewtopic.php?f=84&t=6603&start=40
third post by "homingpigeon"
In fact, there is an inordinate amount of improperly attributed content from our domain, AboveTopSecret.com, throughout your "Amkon.net" web site, some of which is posted-by or commented on by those labeled as "administrators" or "moderators," so as to be impossible to list in one email.
The original content, along with clearly posted usage guidelines which you have ignored, was posted by contributors of our site, and entrusted to our stewardship.
I have a good faith belief that the use of this material in such a fashion is not authorized by the copyright holder, the copyright holder's agent, the law, or our clearly linked copyright and usage guidelines that accompany each and every piece of content on our domains;
Under penalty of perjury in a United States court of law, I state that the information contained in this notification is accurate, and that I am authorized to act on the behalf of the exclusive rights holder for the material in question;
I may be contacted by the following methods:
***REMOVED BY REQUEST***
I hereby request that you IMMEDIATELY REMOVE this and all material originating from the AboveTopSecret.com domain, or any other domain owned by The Above Network, LLC, from your website, and additionally inform you that edits to correct neglected attribution are not sufficient to satisfy our usage guidelines.
***REMOVED BY REQUEST***
**Phone number removed by Jasn. All other contact info included in the email is readily available at The Above Network website.
JiveTurkey
05-16-2009, 02:54 PM
My public response:
No.
Bill, get your panties out of a bunch and go run your business. This shit has been going on for a year now. Grow the fuck up.
Lexion
05-16-2009, 02:54 PM
WTF ?!?
guinnessford
05-16-2009, 02:55 PM
Tell him to prove its here....
I dont see anything
JiveTurkey
05-16-2009, 02:56 PM
WTF ?!?
It's Bill on another of his many personal vendettas against certain people.
No, I'm not referring to myself.
pack3tg0st
05-16-2009, 02:57 PM
LOL looks like we touched a nerve eh?
Jive's response deserves a smite...
guinnessford
05-16-2009, 02:58 PM
So what about when you search for these threads, and they come up on Google, that makes them public, dont it?
Jives respons deserves a blow-job from S-O
Lexion
05-16-2009, 02:58 PM
Fuck Bill.
See that Bill ?
FUCK YOU
Regards,
Lex
(Remember me?)
Bitchkoma
05-16-2009, 02:59 PM
I suppose it's just a matter of putting the link to whatever thread over there the "content" came from. That's how their CCommons license works, yes? And then we can merrily ignore this shit and frame that takedown notice for all to see how childish Mr Irvine can be.
guinnessford
05-16-2009, 02:59 PM
Fuck Bill.
See that Bill ?
FUCK YOU
Regards,
Lex
(Remember me?)
And a second FUCK YOU from me, too.
now go slick your hair back with the dollfuckers jizz, ya fat fuck.
Cogburn
05-16-2009, 03:00 PM
WOW...
They were watching us do all that WITD research last night?
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH
I didn't post their material. I posted material from archive.org.
FUCK OFF
SUE ME PERSONALLY AND I WILL OWN YOUR WEBSITE
PLEASE TRY IT
JiveTurkey
05-16-2009, 03:01 PM
LOL looks like we touched a nerve eh?
Jive's response deserves a smite...
It's not very hard to touch on one of Irvine's nerves.
He is, after all, the hulking infant.
guinnessford
05-16-2009, 03:01 PM
Thats what I kinda meant, Cog... I figured it wasnt linked directly from there.
JiveTurkey
05-16-2009, 03:03 PM
I suppose it's just a matter of putting the link to whatever thread over there the "content" came from. That's how their CCommons license works, yes? And then we can merrily ignore this shit and frame that takedown notice for all to see how childish Mr Irvine can be.
You would think that would be sufficient but...
and additionally inform you that edits to correct neglected attribution are not sufficient to satisfy our usage guidelines.
So, this really has NOTHING to do with proper "credit" and linkage being given.
pack3tg0st
05-16-2009, 03:03 PM
Jive... might want to back up the site to an off the net source... just in case the hosting company shits...
guinnessford
05-16-2009, 03:04 PM
Jive... might want to back up the site to an off the net source... just in case the hosting company shits...
Yeah, good thinkin Pack
Lexion
05-16-2009, 03:05 PM
Jive... might want to back up the site to an off the net source... just in case the hosting company shits...
QFT.
Shit might hit the fan.
JiveTurkey
05-16-2009, 03:07 PM
Jive... might want to back up the site to an off the net source... just in case the hosting company shits...
I will.
Perhaps we should collectively sue him and his ilk for repeated harassment and play his game a bit.
A YEAR..........seriously now. I had actually started to believe he FINALLY let this one go and had focused his attention on another forum that made him cry.
Shit like this is the real downside of the net.
pack3tg0st
05-16-2009, 03:07 PM
lol bill hates my guts methinks...
this stuff is 5 or 6 years old lol
were they even creative commons back then?
back to the archives... i'll check the T&C for the time period those were pulled from lol
Lexion
05-16-2009, 03:08 PM
Look at it like this.
We've done things that scare
them.
What we've done matters.
AmKon forever.
Regards,
Lex
Cogburn
05-16-2009, 03:08 PM
I just called and left Bill a voicemail saying that if he has a problem with my posts and wishes to take legal action he can take it up with me personally.
This kind of nonsense bullying pisses me off and if I have to spend a few hundred bucks to slap around ATS in public you can bet your ass I'll do it with bells on.
JiveTurkey
05-16-2009, 03:10 PM
backup in progress.
pack3tg0st
05-16-2009, 03:12 PM
I just called and left Bill a voicemail saying that if he has a problem with my posts and wishes to take legal action he can take it up with me personally.
This kind of nonsense bullying pisses me off and if I have to spend a few hundred bucks to slap around ATS in public you can bet your ass I'll do it with bells on.
you won't go it alone cog lol you know that :P
Cogburn
05-16-2009, 03:13 PM
Hey Jasn... if HostGator gives you shit .... send me an email.
pack3tg0st
05-16-2009, 03:14 PM
everyone should bookmark mojo's website... just in case our site goes down, we can still meet up there :P
I'll fuckin host AMKON my damn self if the host backs down... just gotta find everything (still unpacking).
I think its quite telling that he wants them removed... and not edited to comply with his "rules". Guess we're rocking the boat too much...
pack3tg0st
05-16-2009, 03:16 PM
Wonder if he's sweating our FOIA request for the paperwork from the investigation back in '03
Lexion
05-16-2009, 03:17 PM
I fucking hope so.
Bitchkoma
05-16-2009, 03:18 PM
So if the "offending material" isn't removed, what's the worst that could happen?
pack3tg0st
05-16-2009, 03:19 PM
In order to ensure that copyright owners do not wrongly insist on the removal of materials that actually do not infringe their copyrights, the safe harbor provisions require service providers to notify the subscribers if their materials have been removed and to provide them with an opportunity to send a written notice to the service provider stating that the material has been wrongly removed. [512(g)] If a subscriber provides a proper "counter-notice" claiming that the material does not infringe copyrights, the service provider must then promptly notify the claiming party of the individual's objection. [512(g)(2)] If the copyright owner does not bring a lawsuit in district court within 14 days, the service provider is then required to restore the material to its location on its network. [512(g)(2)(C)]
More useful info on DMCA here: http://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca512/faq.cgi#QID130
Cogburn
05-16-2009, 03:23 PM
Full info on this has been sent to RumorMillNews... a fellow ATS hating website.
Also...
http://www.ignorancedenied.com/showthread.php?p=50010#post50010
ATS may not escape this kind of shit in a vacuum.
pack3tg0st
05-16-2009, 03:24 PM
BTW... we're covered under "Fair Use" as far as I can tell:
Fair use is one of the most important, and least clear cut, limits to copyright. It permits some use of others' works even without approval. But when? Words like "fair" or "reasonable" cannot be precisely defined, but here are a few benchmarks.
Uses that advance public interests such as criticism, education or scholarship are favored -- particularly if little of another's work is copied. Uses that generate income or interfere with a copyright owner's income are not. Fairness also means crediting original artists or authors. (A teacher who copied, without credit, much of another's course materials was found to infringe.)
Commercial uses of another's work are also disfavored. For example, anyone who uses, without explicit permission, others' work to suggest that they endorse some commercial product is asking for trouble! Yet, not all commercial uses are forbidden. Most magazines and newspapers are operated for profit; that they are not automatically precluded from fair use has been made clear by the U.S. Supreme Court.
Written by a law firm actually: http://www.piercelaw.edu/thomasfield/ipbasics/copyright-on-the-internet.php
pack3tg0st
05-16-2009, 03:26 PM
LOL good call cog...
Drag this shit out in public! I like that :P
What about GLP, OMF, RU?
pack3tg0st
05-16-2009, 03:27 PM
Anyone with a huge set of testicles want to post this on open forum on ATS? lol
pack3tg0st
05-16-2009, 03:29 PM
would you look at that... two guests viewing this thread...
Hi Bill!
is that Mark with you?
Cogburn
05-16-2009, 03:29 PM
They could return my call... that'd be nice.
EDIT: Gee... and I just setup the whole "denystupid.com" URL...
Muhahahah
JiveTurkey
05-16-2009, 03:29 PM
Hey Jasn... if HostGator gives you shit .... send me an email.
Will do.
Lexion
05-16-2009, 03:30 PM
Hey Bill....
Cogburn
05-16-2009, 03:33 PM
Bill responds on iD....
http://www.ignorancedenied.com/showthread.php?p=50011#post50011
pack3tg0st
05-16-2009, 03:35 PM
In all fairness cog, you should edit out the contact info...
Keep it clean...
Let bill be the first to try and hit below the belt...
BTW: OMW to ID
Cogburn
05-16-2009, 03:35 PM
LOL... Jasn (or someone?) already hit the Digg button.
The damage was done before I posted that.
JiveTurkey
05-16-2009, 03:37 PM
LOL... Jasn already hit the Digg button.
The damage was done before I posted that.
The "digg" wasn't on me.
Wish it was.
Cogburn
05-16-2009, 03:38 PM
Hahah duly noted and post corrected.
They filter the referer so they can display the nasty message if a link comes from this site. But they want links. Complaining either way.
pack3tg0st
05-16-2009, 03:41 PM
still with the two guests...
one has to be bill I would think...
I suppose the other might be mark... or whomever...
just give it up and post already guys.... sheesh...
pack3tg0st
05-16-2009, 03:41 PM
They want the google statistic... More sites that link to them, the higher their google ranking.
Should the links be fixed. Guess that a no....
pack3tg0st
05-16-2009, 03:44 PM
The notice says that editing to fix them isn't enough...
he wants total removal...
so, probably not :P
I'm still unsure how this is going to work if we pulled those off of Archive.org...
Seems that should apply if the link is there.
Lexion
05-16-2009, 03:46 PM
If archived....public domain, yes ?
If archived....public domain, yes ?
Seems that should be archive's issue, not here.
skunk
05-16-2009, 03:50 PM
That is just about the funniest shit I've heard from that place. Go fuck Stephen Melzer in the asshole you piece of dog shit.
Bitchkoma
05-16-2009, 03:57 PM
Melzer might like that.
Cogburn
05-16-2009, 04:01 PM
Bill just called me...
First, he's a real human and a pretty affable guy.
Second, the required resolution would be nothing more than providing a complete links to the source material on ATS. Edit your posts and provide links to the existing material and it's over.
Third, Bill says this is a first point of discussion regarding such violations.
Fourth, Bill says your welcome to say any bullshit you want 'cause he's heard it all. :)
Lastly, Jasn... send Bill an email introducing yourself. The only reason he called me was because I seemed to be the fastest route of resolution to the issue. Given the crap that we throw at them it's not a bad idea.
Stand down the missiles. Resume DEFCON 6.
Lexion
05-16-2009, 04:03 PM
Shit.
Back to drinking beer and
looking at porn....
Oh well.
Regards,
Lex
Ima Nasshole
05-16-2009, 04:11 PM
I just witnessed my first geek fight, I'm feeling giddy in a very gay way.
JiveTurkey
05-16-2009, 04:32 PM
Bill just called me...
First, he's a real human and a pretty affable guy.
Second, the required resolution would be nothing more than providing a complete links to the source material on ATS. Edit your posts and provide links to the existing material and it's over.
Third, Bill says this is a first point of discussion regarding such violations.
Fourth, Bill says your welcome to say any bullshit you want 'cause he's heard it all. :)
Lastly, Jasn... send Bill an email introducing yourself. The only reason he called me was because I seemed to be the fastest route of resolution to the issue. Given the crap that we throw at them it's not a bad idea.
Stand down the missiles. Resume DEFCON 6.
I have talked to him many times in the past Cog. I tried reasonable for months and then just gave up.
I swear, it was like talking to a child. I would try to explain myself in regards to certain of my threads/posts/whatnot and he would, without fail, attempt to turn them around in an effort to make me look like I was being an asshole. Even going so far as to edit portions of my posts together in such a way it looked like I was saying shit that I was not saying.
I honestly thought this was over with and behind us. That's why I have made several comments in the last few months about getting away from ATS discussion and it's also one of the reasons I quit visiting RU.
I was actually shocked when I got that email this morning because I really wasn't expecting it. I figured they had all moved on by now to their next project.
It's ridiculous how they do this shit every time they take a notion to start some shit. They have done it to us and pretty much every other relatively active forum out there that deals with the same subject matter as them.
The staff/owners of ATS has made it business practice to do crap like this and also attempt to tear down anyone who leaves their site on any terms but their own.
I don't personally have a problem with Bill, Mark or any of the other guys that run ATS. I do, however, have a huge problem with shit like this email.
It's ridiculous.
They are running a business and that's fine by me. I am running a nonprofit online community. I have made it a point since I started this forum to NOT edit or delete ANY posts by members that were not blatant SPAM (I even let that go if it's a regular member that posts it and not some first timer or bot). I posted some simple guidelines when I started this forum and asked everyone to follow them (one of which being to give credit where credit is due through source linkage). If everyone does not choose to follow the guidelines, so be it.
I want this to be place where people CAN post at will without having to sit there and consider for 30 minutes whether or not their post will be edited/deleted before they submit the post.
I do not and will not make it habit to edit member posts unless they fall in the lines of being delete worthy based on the guidelines.
Had Bill come to me in a friendly way and said "Hey Jasn, we don't like this shit and we would like you to throw in some source links to accompany the following posts", I would have been more than happy to message said members and ask them to provide links.
Though, it would have done little good seeing as how they have that bitter little message that shows after every click through from here.
This is just another attempt by Bill at getting his way and controlling content that he does not personally have administrator access to.
I guess I just don't understand why they don't focus on their business and quit worrying about all of our little forums.
You'd think they had better shit to do than spend their days browsing every other conspiracy forum out there looking for some shit to stir.
Bill, get to work and stop letting little shit bother you. Or maybe you'd rather relinquish your status and control to Djarums. That guy gets his panties in a bunch just as easily but he is VERY open to rational discussion and is even willing to admit when he is wrong or when he simply misunderstood something.
This forum is NOT HERE for the sole purpose of discussing you and your forum. We may have lost some shit recently but we had almost 100,000 posts here and less than 1% of them had ANYTHING to do with ATS.
Stop making a damn stink about it every time you or your site are mentioned and quit letting these things hit you personally. It's not worth it and you are wasting your time. You guys made such a point of showing how small and insignificant this community was/is so let it be the little hole in the wall that you see it as being and stop letting posts by members here ruffle your feathers.
I thought this whole shit was dead 6 months ago.
J
EDIT TO ADD: Maybe I misunderstood but I got the distinct impression from Bill's initial email that simply editing the posts to provide links to the source was NOT sufficient in fixing this little issue. If I was mistaken by what he meant when he said
I hereby request that you IMMEDIATELY REMOVE this and all material originating from the AboveTopSecret.com domain, or any other domain owned by The Above Network, LLC, from your website, and additionally inform you that edits to correct neglected attribution are not sufficient to satisfy our usage guidelines.
then I apologize. But I really don't see what else that could mean.
pack3tg0st
05-16-2009, 04:40 PM
Cog said that he backpedaled a little bit when he let him know the material wasn't going to be deleted :P
Cogburn
05-16-2009, 04:43 PM
I'm not a mod or an admin or anything so I made it quite clear that I could not speak on behalf of AmKon.net.
The resolution was simply an agreement between he and I that he would agree was amicable once I made it clear the content would not disappear, even if from AmKon.
This is your sandbox but I didn't want the bullies to get carried away. If I stepped over the line I apologize.
pack3tg0st
05-16-2009, 04:59 PM
so... all this just leads me to believe we're getting close to something bill doesn't want in the open :P
maybe its time to check availability on a url... www.whispersinthedark.com.. (http://www.whispersinthedark.com..). post our findings when we're done... and link like 500 times to ATS...
We can manipulate google analytics as well :P
torbjon
05-16-2009, 06:22 PM
oh for fucks sake, I can't leave you kids alone for five minutes, can I?
They are never going to sue anyone for anything EVER. Ponder what happens when Subpoenas for data and documentation are issued. Ponder what happens when a judge (or better yet, a jury) Doesn't bow down and pay obeisance to them. "there's no such thing as bad press"... except a court case. EVERYBODY loses in a court case...
If they ever go to court over something, the only thing that will do is re-enforce the notion that they really do have something to hide. "Protecting" their membership Won't be what's on peoples mind... remember, they're just Assholes, not Stupid. Throwing their weight around is just theatrics for the mindless Moonies who follow them. It's their H-Bomb. "We got it, We got it, We Could, We Could... you Better or we Will..." But does anyone ever really Drop the thing?
They do this from time to time... it's a pleasant little diversion from something else, a little game to run up some posts and waste time... but mostly it's just a head count. A tally to see who is who and where are they, where do they stand, how can we Use them, etc.
Honestly, you all need to get outta the house and go the theater more often...
which is what I'm gonna do right now
laters
twj
pack3tg0st
05-16-2009, 07:26 PM
Torb... bill wanted that thread to go away... that much was obvious...
We're covered under fair use... but to placate him a bit, we did add links to the posts/threads in question... only instead of using their URL, we used their IP :P
That means, we're within the law... but STILL not giving them web statistics :P
dancing around the letter of the law, and not the spirit :P
apeci
05-16-2009, 07:34 PM
This one's for you, Bill.
http://www.sondrak.com/archive/fat-ass-l.jpg
Seems like Bill's a pussy. . . .
[attachment=0:1ncojhuo]061%20special%20Thing%20Pussy%20big.jpg[/attachment:1ncojhuo]
JiveTurkey
05-16-2009, 07:52 PM
Seems like Bill's a pussy. . . .
[attachment=0:1lbz0m20]061%20special%20Thing%20Pussy%20big.jpg[/attachment:1lbz0m20]
You are a dirty, dirty girl. And that's okay.
[inmg=left:2l62vwad]http://tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:gOv794OR-p8DEM:http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii215/Katieluvr01/eraser-2.jpg[/inmg:2l62vwad]
FAIL
.
pack3tg0st
05-16-2009, 08:01 PM
lol does S.O. realize he inadvertently created MORE traffic to the WITD thread? LOL
He should like the traffic, it's his life blood.
pack3tg0st
05-16-2009, 08:03 PM
yah... but its traffic to OUR witd thread lol
If I remember right, we hadn't even had 200 hits on the WITD thread yet... and now... we're about 350 lol
Seems like Bill's a pussy. . . .
[attachment=0:3sztec4r]061%20special%20Thing%20Pussy%20big.jpg[/attachment:3sztec4r]
You are a dirty, dirty girl. And that's okay.
O I hope you didn't get the wrong end of the cat. . . .:D. . . ATS is a paper tiger . . . .meow
pack3tg0st
05-16-2009, 08:06 PM
I prefer to think of them as the Wizard of Oz...
Smoke and mirrors seem bad ass... until everyone realizes its really a lonely feeble old man behind the curtain
He isn't in Kansas anymore.
Iv set some traps for the pussy's in the car park out side ats head-quarters. . . :D. . .
[attachment=0:3n7ah5g5]Paper_tiger_trap.JPG[/attachment:3n7ah5g5]
pack3tg0st
05-16-2009, 08:27 PM
so Jasn was saying that this was a personal vendetta against specific members here, not so much amkon in general...
any ideas who it is?
Lexion
05-16-2009, 08:52 PM
You.
pack3tg0st
05-16-2009, 08:53 PM
LOL doubt it was me...
he might hate my guts... but not bad enough to follow my ass around...
JiveTurkey
05-16-2009, 09:01 PM
so Jasn was saying that this was a personal vendetta against specific members here, not so much amkon in general...
any ideas who it is?
It's not just specific members here. They do this crap at several forums.
I guess what it really comes down to is Bill's inability to maintain control over former members of ATS once they have banned and publicly slandered them without allowing them to retort publicly at ATS.
Most of the hostility and such shit that has appeared at other conspiracy sites could have easily been avoided had Bill, Mark and the rest of the clique not banned people and made it a point to insult/attack/whatever them on ATS. That kind of shit is viewed by most as a slap in the face and ATS is very fond of continuing to slap the same face over and over again so long as they can keep them from retorting where the members of ATS can readily see the retort in the context of the "argument".
It's much easier to make someone look like they are at fault when you can drive them away to "whine" while covering up the initial conversation so as to make the person bitching look like they just got pissy and ran away. Hell, they even go so far as to secretly ban people (by restricting any ability to post or send private messages) and leaving their account active to claim that said person was never banned and that they are just talking shit elsewhere and they are afraid to continue posting in the thread that was the original source of the problem.
He is currently building levels of membership based on the amount of donated content. It is encouraging members to create threads for the sake of thread flags. That should be an interesting experiment in chasing of members as threads get canned.
JiveTurkey
05-16-2009, 09:22 PM
Oh, and just for the record.
I have politely asked several times that any content I posted to ATS that I was no longer able to respond to be removed with special attention paid to those threads in which I was viciously (and publicly) slandered by administrators at AboveTopSecret.com.
As was their right, they totally ignored my requests.
All I'm asking is for the same level of respect when it comes to AmKon.
Bill, this site does NOT belong to you. This site doesn't even belong to me. It belongs to the people that log on here everyday and keep the content updated and the conversations flowing.
I respect the immense time people devote to this forum and I will NOT throw that time away.
With very little exception, the members here are free to discuss OPENLY anything they wish. The way it should be.
Hell, they have even been allowed to repeatedly harass and insult me in public anytime they choose....here or at any other site.
Who am I to take that ability away from them?
pack3tg0st
05-16-2009, 09:25 PM
Hey Jasn,
If ya spend a few bucks and get incorporated, than the site belongs to itself... and no one could personally sue you...
I just mention it in passing...
Ima Nasshole
05-16-2009, 09:28 PM
Yeah! What Jive said!
This is my site bitch!
JiveTurkey
05-16-2009, 09:30 PM
Hey Jasn,
If ya spend a few bucks and get incorporated, than the site belongs to itself... and no one could personally sue you...
I just mention it in passing...
I might look into that at some point.
I fear no lawsuit, nothing would be accomplished by it. It would be a waste of time and money on their end. Money means dick to me. In fact, I have an immense distaste for money.
If only it weren't so damned necessary.
If they succeed in shutting the site down, I'll just start another.
Honestly, I just don't get it. You'd think they had far more to do with their day running the "biggest and best conspiracy site out there".
Oh well. Screw it.
pack3tg0st
05-16-2009, 09:38 PM
hehe I think we just re-opened a can of worms that bill didn't want re-opened... I think he hoped we'd cower and delete the content :P
anyway, sorry my thread brought unwanted attention :P
But it does tell me we might be on the right track... and should probably look into things further...
I'm looking for an old copy of XMB 1.6 right now... I'm gonna put it up live on a site... and we'll see if we can exploit it in the manner that Bill says...
JiveTurkey
05-16-2009, 09:44 PM
No worries pack3t. Bill's issues are his own.
theeindiee
05-16-2009, 09:56 PM
holy shit that's like.... the most retarded thing EVER. ATS can suck it, man. People leave because it sucks. Not because of other sites shit talking. I was a dual member, still am.... just haven't been back there in a while because it really really SUCKS talking about the same old shit and being strongarmed into an expressive box.
Any help we can give... I'll sign something. "Yes to what he said." because I'm a blind sheeple.
shit Jason,.....the good ship AmKon has sure taken a few heavy salvo's! .....been occupied elsewhere lately but have been kept up to speed via the effervescent miss Lala,.....and contrary to popular thought , she was not the girl stuck to seat 38 on flight 05
pack3tg0st
05-16-2009, 10:38 PM
the fact that they even pay attention to us should be somewhat of an honor...
If we weren't a threat... why worry about us...
I guess we're a legit threat...
JiveTurkey
05-16-2009, 10:41 PM
Threat or no threat, this shit is ridiculous.
Bill made reference to his number being in the public post, that number was removed.
He made reference to proper credit/linkage being given in the threads in question. It was done.
That still isn't enough.
Only total deletion will do I suppose. Though, he has not said that.
Cog, what was the agreement you two reached?
Snow Crash
05-16-2009, 10:47 PM
Fuck Bill.
Sequel to Kill Bill?
JiveTurkey
05-16-2009, 10:52 PM
All contact information removed from original post at the REQUEST of hostgator.
Lexion
05-16-2009, 10:54 PM
Ummm......
pack3tg0st
05-16-2009, 11:02 PM
is this still going on behind the scenes Jive?
is he flipping out still or something?
Cogburn
05-16-2009, 11:03 PM
Threat or no threat, this shit is ridiculous.
Bill made reference to his number being in the public post, that number was removed.
He made reference to proper credit/linkage being given in the threads in question. It was done.
That still isn't enough.
Only total deletion will do I suppose. Though, he has not said that.
Cog, what was the agreement you two reached?I removed Bill's number from my post at iD right after I got off the phone with him as a response to his personal request on the phone.
But the links are still not enough? Interesting.
The specific agreement was that we would edit our posts and would provide direct linkages to the articles on ATS as they existed currently. We are using the Web Archive posts to illustrate how ATS modifies their content. We have done so, however via IP and not domain name.
We complied with both the letter and the spirit of the conversation Bill and I had this morning.
If he wanted something more specific perhaps he should have mentioned it at the time. I'd have been happy to have discussed it and to pass it on here.
Honestly I didn't think that requiring a linkback was all that outrageous a request.
If they are still making noise, Bill did not deal with me in good faith.
That would be... unfortunate.
I'm a fan of being proactive. :)
Oblivion
05-16-2009, 11:04 PM
Bill, this site does NOT belong to you. This site doesn't even belong to me. It belongs to the people that log on here everyday and keep the content updated and the conversations flowing.
I respect the immense time people devote to this forum and I will NOT throw that time away.
woooooo!!!!!!
take that bitch trio
With very little exception, the members here are free to discuss OPENLY anything they wish. The way it should be.
Hell, they have even been allowed to repeatedly harass and insult me in public anytime they choose....here or at any other site.
Who am I to take that ability away from them?
you fuckin tell em, turkey biscuit! well said man.
keep up the good fight brother.
turn the smileys on damnit.. hows a dude supposed to pay someone out without using funny images and drama queen smileys? :(
---------------
pack3tg0st
05-16-2009, 11:07 PM
Its beginning to sound like only the deletion of the thread will do...
This is a subject bill doesn't want out there I guess... there's a reason he's deleted all of WITD old posts...
which is the reason we're bringing them back up... we're trying to piece together "why".
We're covered by Free Use... we've complied with his "demands" so far...
Fuck it...
Backing up this thread in case Jasn has to do somethign he doesn't want...
In which case, I will then host it on a machine at my residence... or cog can host it... or both... doesn't matter.
Edit to add: I have the WITD thread backed up to txt file... so our work will not be lost... if need be, we'll go as public as possible with everything... I'm guessing thats what this is about... more about the thread than about the reasons they're pretending to be angry...
JiveTurkey
05-16-2009, 11:28 PM
Threat or no threat, this shit is ridiculous.
Bill made reference to his number being in the public post, that number was removed.
He made reference to proper credit/linkage being given in the threads in question. It was done.
That still isn't enough.
Only total deletion will do I suppose. Though, he has not said that.
Cog, what was the agreement you two reached?I removed Bill's number from my post at iD right after I got off the phone with him as a response to his personal request on the phone.
But the links are still not enough? Interesting.
The specific agreement was that we would edit our posts and would provide direct linkages to the articles on ATS as they existed currently. We are using the Web Archive posts to illustrate how ATS modifies their content. We have done so, however via IP and not domain name.
We complied with both the letter and the spirit of the conversation Bill and I had this morning.
If he wanted something more specific perhaps he should have mentioned it at the time. I'd have been happy to have discussed it and to pass it on here.
Honestly I didn't think that requiring a linkback was all that outrageous a request.
If they are still making noise, Bill did not deal with me in good faith.
That would be... unfortunate.
I'm a fan of being proactive. :)
What has already been done is apparently not enough. Yes, it's still going on.
Pretty much what he's saying now is "Attribution has not been provided according to our clearly stated content usage guidelines. And I shall accept this indication of yours as refusal to do so."
Actually, that's exactly what he just said about 6 seconds ago.
pack3tg0st
05-16-2009, 11:36 PM
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/2.5/
That is the link to their CC license...
hope it helps...
what does he say he wants now?
JiveTurkey
05-16-2009, 11:43 PM
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/2.5/
That is the link to their CC license...
hope it helps...
what does he say he wants now?
I asked. He provided no answer but the same shit.
I have asked for specifics and have received none yet.
In response to the ticket that he submitted with hostgator, a member of the hostgator staff sent me an email with a link to the initial post and asking me to remove the contact information.
Even hostgator can't figure out what the hell he's talking about.
pack3tg0st
05-16-2009, 11:49 PM
lol isn't that pretty standard though?
He's aiming for complete removal of the thread IMHO... which, I'll understand if you're forced to do...
but we do have it backed up... and it won't "disappear into the night".
JiveTurkey
05-16-2009, 11:54 PM
lol isn't that pretty standard though?
He's aiming for complete removal of the thread IMHO... which, I'll understand if you're forced to do...
but we do have it backed up... and it won't "disappear into the night".
I don't think that will happen, though I could be wrong.
The hostgator rep seemed to not see the big deal either and I FULLY complied with their requested resolution.
pack3tg0st
05-16-2009, 11:57 PM
nice!!!!
u rule jasn...
looks like I might need to shell out a few bucks in the "donate" bin again... LOL
I really didn't mean to bring down a shit storm...
JiveTurkey
05-17-2009, 12:11 AM
Here is the most recent message from bill. I informed him that I would be posting it for clarity purposes.
Did any you discern the following from that initial email that is posted on pg1 OR Bill's replies over at ID (in the exchange with Cogburn).
Bill Irvine
to me
show details 10:52 PM (12 minutes ago)
Reply
Follow up message
"Cogburn" is not your employee, nor does he represent you, and at no time did I assume such in the conversation.
Each post on ATS contains a copyright & usage link, here's an example:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/cc.php?tid=230887&pid=2569133&page=1
You know it.
Your members know it.
Proper attribution is simple, and clearly defined.
The guidelines do not allow an IP to used in the link, it calls for domain name.
The guidelines call for authorship attribution for each post, from what I see, that's not happening.
The guidelines call for including the title of the thread, that appears not to be happening.
My only guess as to what he's referring when he mentions Cogburn being my employee (or not). I suppose that is in response to my earlier telling him that I had not talked to Cogburn about the "compromise" he and Cogburn reached.
The rest, I couldn't dig it out of the initial argument with a shovel and a shit ton of free time.
pack3tg0st
05-17-2009, 12:27 AM
is it really worth bill's time?
are those few links really goign to help him out that much lol
Here's a rope bill...
show me how to piss up it.
The legal page says basically
name of the website user
the name of the website
link to the content thread
Policy on a page (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/cc.php?tid=461780&pid=6258288&page=1) which is a bit different.
member name
"a member of AboveTopSecret.com"
title of the message thread
full link URL to the post
neither says the link must ahve the domain name instead of IP.
guinnessford
05-17-2009, 12:43 AM
To me it seems like hes pulling at straws, knowing full well we aint a group of snatches, that will knuckle under his weak threats.
Unlike his minions over there, you show a backbone, and now he dont know hat to do.
Fat-ass, explain CLEARLY AND IN ENGLSH WHAT YOU WANT.
Little hints, and not asking will get you jack-shit.....
I took a look and all my posst except two had the thread title. Fixed those. They had the user.
A link. IP in a url is a valid link.
Guess I'll check one more time...
Anything else I'll do based on advice from the board leadership here.
Bitchkoma
05-17-2009, 01:53 AM
This is harassment. Legal harassment, but harassment nonetheless.
here we go again.
i still have there original emails from over a year ago when springer threatened to get their "lavin" onto us, i guess he's a lawyer or some such.
if all of the posts being used can also be found using google cache or the wayback machine then there should be no need to attribute anything back to ats.
and it seems odd to me that links from here dont go straight to the ats post, they are referred to bill's lirttle warning page first, so in effect we cant directly link to the attributed posts even thouggh they want us too because of their referrel from links from here. lol.
i'd really like to test out their creative commons thing myse;lf to be honest, i have a lot of original material i posted on ats that i'd like to have removed, perhaps its time i spoke to my attorney.
Cogburn
05-17-2009, 01:56 AM
Unfortunately for Bill's argument, we complied w/ the CC for each and every post we used as a reference in our research. Given the sheer number of posts, it would be impossible to adhere to the strict letter of the CC as ATS has adopted it.
Creative Commons does not give you carte blanche to dictate how your material is being discussed, only how it is used and properly referenced.
If they want that level of control over material then they should adopt a more appropriate content license and enforcement policy.
This is a tempest in a teapot. What a silly argument.
guinnessford
05-17-2009, 01:59 AM
come to chat people... funny shit going on...
Hagakure
05-17-2009, 03:59 AM
I haven't seen any website links from that site on here, yet, so what the fuck is this crap?
All I hear from AmKon users so far is ATS, it's stupid. Is there some kind of post-war or something?
pack3tg0st
05-17-2009, 04:08 AM
Its my research into Whispersinthedark Haga...
It struck a nerve...
Hagakure
05-17-2009, 05:11 AM
Its my research into Whispersinthedark Haga...
It struck a nerve...
WTF, over?
Whispers in the dark?
That was you whisperin in my ear last night, fuckwad?
I need to change my Goddamn locks, again.
C'mere motherfucker.
I'm gettin my handguns, hold on.
I think this is his problem. . . . .
[attachment=0:1se9bsdj]gfon490l.jpg[/attachment:1se9bsdj]
Hagakure
05-17-2009, 08:00 AM
I think this is his problem. . . . .
I love it.
Reminds me of several assholes I know who don't know how to handle leadership like I do.
GWAR : Fucking an Animal
w]aWoAXXbzFBg&hl=en&fs=1w]
GWAR : Saddam a Go-Go
w]MEXVhp7rkLA&hl=en&fs=1w]
Ducky
05-17-2009, 12:10 PM
WOW...
I take a break for one day, and look what crops up?!?!
Never a dull moment.
*looking for toothpicks & tape for my eyes, and caffeine pills to stay awake so I don't miss anything in the future*
pack3tg0st
05-17-2009, 12:12 PM
lol
yah... S.O. is a prick
Well Ducky, are you surprised. I suspect not...
pack3tg0st
05-17-2009, 01:27 PM
over 700 views for this thread lol
guess I should stop clicking "refresh" every few mins eh? LOL
apeci
05-17-2009, 01:32 PM
Wow... I'm even a Bronze level member over there...
woot (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single/6313599.html)
300 flags...Unless a user whine and sucks up...
pack3tg0st
05-17-2009, 01:38 PM
are links to ATS not working over here now?
did we get shut out?
I dont' even get a 404, just a white screen
apeci
05-17-2009, 01:40 PM
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand deleted.
apeci
05-17-2009, 01:44 PM
Posted a cpl more... one even in RATS
I know this was all winding down, but it's still really fun to poke the big clumsy slow giant with a pointy stick.
apeci
05-17-2009, 01:45 PM
And the RATS one deleted.... gee, I wonder who's watching this thread.
pack3tg0st
05-17-2009, 01:48 PM
how many of our 18 guests are ATS staffers lol
yah, we might have struck a lil bit of a nerve...
apeci
05-17-2009, 01:49 PM
Whoop! Banned. FINALLY. Shit, and I lasted over a year since I left.
apeci
05-17-2009, 01:54 PM
Hiiiiilarious.
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e354/apcphoto/banned.jpg
Ducky
05-17-2009, 01:55 PM
Well Ducky, are you surprised. I suspect not...
There's no doubt in my mind that people are scoping out our site left and right 24/7, and all anybody has to do is google their own site name (nick-names et al) and see what pops up within the confinds of ours. That's a given.
What I'm trying to figure out, is WHAT exactly is the infraction we supposedly incurred? From my understanding, it seems like a minor technicality blown out of proportion, that can be easily rectifiied by either giving proper credit to said links or deleting them altogether. Or...is there more to this than meets the eye me thinks.
Clancy lowered the boom on us (no biggie), and we have to decide whether we'll comply with 'the law'; albeit kicking and screaming, or find a loophole to all of this. That way, we can wave the 'loophole' around in front of anybody's face, should they decide to come after us again with the same shit.
Then, as others have stated already in this thread, we shouldn't get our panties in a knot over this.
My policy is this: C.Y.A.
apeci
05-17-2009, 01:55 PM
Oh, now I'm site banned. Awesome. It's about time!!
I wonder if I lost my Bronze level or whatever. :D
Ducky
05-17-2009, 01:59 PM
Oh, now I'm site banned. Awesome. It's about time!!
I wonder if I lost my Bronze level or whatever. :D
Bronze level? Is this some new 'treats' they've been giving out lately?
pack3tg0st
05-17-2009, 02:01 PM
lol welcome to the club ape...
at least I can still browse there for research purposes... I haven't been IP banned...
Ducky
05-17-2009, 02:03 PM
Being that our site got Katrina'd I'm assuming that any WITD threads are also wiped out?
There goes ANY evidence; therefor NO infractions eh?
Ima Nasshole
05-17-2009, 02:06 PM
Hey Ape, if you still want to go apeshit on ats you can use my old logon, PM me and I'll give you the PW
pack3tg0st
05-17-2009, 02:07 PM
Being that our site got Katrina'd I'm assuming that any WITD threads are also wiped out?
There goes ANY evidence; therefor NO infractions eh?
Most of them were already deleted...
The shit storm didn't start until we went to the archives and found the original posts... and re-posted them in our research thread :P
apeci
05-17-2009, 02:10 PM
I dunno Ducky... some more of their gay ass pats on the back to encourage more revenue generating posts or some shit.
I've already registered a new account to check... they haven't stripped my Bronze status but I am indeed banned. Seriously I expected to be banned last year after I changed my avatar to something seizure inducing, ran my points 35000 into the negative, and left. :)
pack3tg0st
05-17-2009, 02:15 PM
I expected to be banned last year after I changed my avatar to something seizure inducing, ran my points 35000 into the negative, and left.
LOL that's fuckin' funny man!
I didn't know you could even go that far negative lol
oooh do I get a little "bronze" or anything on my profile?
is it retroactive? LOL
apeci
05-17-2009, 02:20 PM
I discovered if you split your purchase across ATS and BTS it would equally deduct from both regardless. Since I had about 60,000 ATS points, I kept purchasing shit over and over again until I was like 35k ATS and -35k BTS. Then I got yelled at for having an all black background, but having insufficient combined points I was unable to purchase a new one... a mod had to make me like -34k so I could be compliant with T&C. :D
pack3tg0st
05-17-2009, 02:23 PM
Epic lol
thats friggan awesome Ape lol
apeci
05-17-2009, 02:27 PM
[inmg=left:3bm692zj]http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e354/apcphoto/apcban.jpg[/inmg:3bm692zj]
They apparently corrected my points at some point, but here's what I set it to...
I got many messages after screaming about my background causing migraines... :D
Joies
05-17-2009, 02:29 PM
That background is ridiculous lol
Ducky
05-17-2009, 02:33 PM
holy crap
What's up with the striped blue/red thingy?
Aye yi yi...that's hard on the eyes.
Lexion
05-17-2009, 02:35 PM
I just had a seizure.
pack3tg0st
05-17-2009, 02:37 PM
no lex... thats called an orgasm...
now quit staring at Joies avatar...
Royal
05-17-2009, 02:52 PM
3 Possibilities:
1) Above Top Secret must be viewing Amkon as a very close competitor to be exerting energy to make these accusations. I'm sure that this type of ordeal will continue to other CT forums.
2) Owners of Amkon and ATS are in cahoots with each other to bring drama and attention to increase site awareness and bring in more money. (Like 2pac and Biggy).
3) ATS is that lame.
pack3tg0st
05-17-2009, 02:58 PM
4) Bill's ego is so gigantic that he can't stand not having control over the entire internet, and therefore has to throw his weight around a little bit every now and again to reassure himself that his website is still valid in the grand scheme of things...
pack3tg0st
05-17-2009, 03:00 PM
I'm willing to bet that one of you math people out there could compare growth in internet connectivity worldwide... and growth (or stagnation as it looks) of bill's website...
I'm almost positive that even though bill's numbers are increasing (slightly), that you will find he's losing overall market share.
Cogburn
05-17-2009, 03:03 PM
I'm kinda leaning somewhere between 3 & 4.
This is one of those "Internet is serious business" episodes.
Sometimes it's a good idea to unplug for a while and understand such things do not exist in a vacuum.
You read that, fellas?
Ducky
05-17-2009, 03:15 PM
1) Above Top Secret must be viewing Amkon as a very close competitor to be exerting energy to make these accusations. I'm sure that this type of ordeal will continue to other CT forums.
First of all, we have to define 'competitor'. We're relatively new to the scene (over a year). And what are they and we both vieing for? "the truth', 'new members' 'status'. All or none of the above and then some.
I would suppose 'anything that comes into conflict with others' is a more generalized statement if anything, but apply applied.
2) Owners of Amkon and ATS are in cahoots with each other to bring drama and attention to increase site awareness and bring in more money. (Like 2pac and Biggy)
"in cahoots with each other"
yeah...I can see that. It's well known that many so-called be-grudging dissidents before/after joining the site would see it as such. All we have to do is google 'key words' and we'll happen upon a some x-mods that will pervay their sediments.
"A quashed and seemingly atrophied (astro-fried...lololol) Utopia". Oh well.
Lexion
05-17-2009, 03:19 PM
that will pervay their sediments.
What ?
Ducky
05-17-2009, 03:23 PM
that will pervay their sediments.
What ?
In other words...these ex-pats either make their own site (claiming their discourse), or quietly slip into the folds of another site and state the low-down about AlwaysTakingSides. Pretty sad.
Ducky
05-17-2009, 04:00 PM
It never amazes me, as to how many guests like to linger about (enthralled pehaps) as to the goings ons with this site.
Yes, I notice the minute details too. Don't kid yourselves.
Lexion
05-17-2009, 04:02 PM
Don't kid yourselves.
Is that code for "masturbate" ?
Curious,
Lex
2) Owners of Amkon and ATS are in cahoots with each other to bring drama and attention to increase site awareness and bring in more money. (Like 2pac and Biggy).
lol, thats us alright.
me and bill going out for a beer later, then after that im going to springers, we are sharing dollies.
hahahaha......so when does the money start rolling in?
Ducky
05-17-2009, 09:14 PM
2) Owners of Amkon and ATS are in cahoots with each other to bring drama and attention to increase site awareness and bring in more money. (Like 2pac and Biggy).
lol, thats us alright.
me and bill going out for a beer later, then after that im going to springers, we are sharing dollies.
hahahaha......so when does the money start rolling in?
Ewwwwwwwww. it just gets fuckin weirder and weirder. Never mind the goddam pron. fuckin hell?!?!?!lolololol
Royal
05-18-2009, 04:24 AM
2) Owners of Amkon and ATS are in cahoots with each other to bring drama and attention to increase site awareness and bring in more money. (Like 2pac and Biggy).
lol, thats us alright.
me and bill going out for a beer later, then after that im going to springers, we are sharing dollies.
hahahaha......so when does the money start rolling in?
haha mojo. I was only mentioning the possibilities. Kind of like possibility 5:
THe whole Amkon maintenance issue was related to this DMCA notice. A big broom has sweeped and deleted a lot of information from the Amkon archives in order to foil ATS's pursuit for litigation.
Message for Bill. . .
[attachment=0:3houqyqx]l_nosey-little-t-shirt.jpg[/attachment:3houqyqx]
Watcher-In-The-Shadows
05-18-2009, 05:11 AM
haha mojo. I was only mentioning the possibilities. Kind of like possibility 5:
THe whole Amkon maintenance issue was related to this DMCA notice. A big broom has sweeped and deleted a lot of information from the Amkon archives in order to foil ATS's pursuit for litigation.
Would be a damned convient to have an "accident" that just happens to wipe out the material in question.
It would allow one to back down without in fact seeming to have backed down.
Not saying that is what happend but just commenting.
haha mojo. I was only mentioning the possibilities. Kind of like possibility 5:
THe whole Amkon maintenance issue was related to this DMCA notice. A big broom has sweeped and deleted a lot of information from the Amkon archives in order to foil ATS's pursuit for litigation.
im not that smart......really. lol.
jasn is too stoned.
fox is too unstable.
BK is too busy downloading pron.
skunk is also too wasted.
and apeci wouldnt contemplate hurting his baby.
perhaps bill still is in contact with the witd script kiddies and got them to hack us?
:lol:
pack3tg0st
05-18-2009, 10:31 AM
[imgs=:3obkdzqp]http://softall.com.ua/uploads/photos/2007/12/21/fuck_you_bill_9_32_20071.jpg[/imgs:3obkdzqp]
perhaps bill still is in contact with the witd script kiddies and got them to hack us?
The true life conspiracy unfold...
While Apeci is on the phone with tech guys the FBI, bought off with Bill's google adsense funds, uses Bill's hackers to send mind control frequencies over the phone into his brain. The result is a bad backup file that appears good and we know the rest.
pack3tg0st
05-18-2009, 11:29 AM
HP: Its so much simpler than that!!!
Obviously S.O. has naked pictures of Apeci... Which he then sent to john lear.
John, getting over excited at having to wank over these pictures, accidentally misplaced Bob Lazar's element 115... thus pissing off the Reticulans, as they now had to mine additional disks to give away... well, while the Reticulans were en route to drop off more 115 to Lazar, they accidentally came to close to one of the secret space stations in orbit, leaving the secret astronaut corp no choice but to scramble space marines with laser cannons around the peremiter...
The reticulans, still pissed off didn't want to deal with these space marines, and contacted the indigenous peoples living on the moon... leading them to fire their secret cannons and blast the station out of the sky... (the missed shots formed crop circles on earth...) Since the space station's batteries store human souls for fuel, collected via the moon "soul collectors", they became unstable as the secret space station began to burn upon re-entry...
This instability led to a "soul explosion"... One of these souls got stuck in the internet data stream, and thus corrupted the backup copy in transmission.
Fuck, do I have to explain everything to you guys? sheesh...
erm... I don't have photographs of this, but saw a sketch from a sketch from a photograph I've never seen... but the souls also corrupted video/photographic equipment, and the sketches are all blurry and out of focus...
the creative commons thing is interesting, im going to get a friend to look it over for me.
i'd like to know how it works with an entity (forum/website) that earns income from "user generated content".
if a person's original content, lets say a short story, is posted on a website that earns income from all of their users posts does that fall under "fair use"?
and wouldn't the person that posted their original content be entitled to remuneration?
its actually quite interesting, the different jurisdictions also complicates the issue i would assume.
Yeah, I saw it.
It was pretty good considering it was a 'sketch from a sketch from a photograph I've never seen... but the souls also corrupted video/photographic equipment, and the sketches are all blurry and out of focus'
pack3tg0st
05-18-2009, 11:37 AM
just waiting for deaman to come in, and defend that post for me... tooth and nail
hehe
I think they are cover, at least in recent times. The posters is giving them the right to use the material by posting it.
Now as far as the linking I suppose it would be an argument about protecting those posts and giving credit to the original author. Material displayed on the internet doesn't automatically lose it copyright and protection. It helps it in a sense, claiming ownership. The only work around would be if the author gave permission here.
pack3tg0st
05-18-2009, 12:03 PM
The thing I don't understand is why its not possible to withdraw consent/permissions....
Based on the original agreement. But if not funds are involved, seems like a change might be possible.
pack3tg0st
05-18-2009, 12:09 PM
Now, with the changes in T&C... wouldn't it stand to reason that the T&C I agreed to would be the one they must adhere by?
Not whatever version of the T&C they put out that week to suit their interests?
pack3tg0st
05-18-2009, 12:12 PM
I have a good faith belief that the use of this material in such a fashion is not authorized by the copyright holder, the copyright holder's agent, the law, or our clearly linked copyright and usage guidelines that accompany each and every piece of content on our domains;
Under penalty of perjury in a United States court of law, I state that the information contained in this notification is accurate, and that I am authorized to act on the behalf of the exclusive rights holder for the material in question;
Now, by Copyright holder do they mean the user? or the above network? And "exclusive rights holder" has to be inaccurate, as their T&C states that its a non-exclusive rights agreement... meaning, both ATS and the member have rights to that material...
WTF?
thats what i dont understand, i'll have to get some advice i guess.
pack3tg0st
05-18-2009, 12:19 PM
This is even dumber lol
9)Term of These Agreed Upon Conditions By joining the website(s) governed under these Terms And Conditions, you agree to honor these rules for so long as your account status remains active, and for 18 months after the termination of any account privileges due to violation of these conditions or other guidelines.
In other words... if you get banned for not following rules... you're expected to honor the rules for even LONGER... when we're not watching lol
seems asinine. But, they're trying to keep the rights to your work..
to me, that would mean that after 18 months, you can have them delete your posts...
I'm making some legal calls to see about rescinding the agreement, which it is typically the right of the individual to do so... we'll see...
Copyright holder do they mean the user? - the user who posted
"exclusive rights holder" - generally the original owner (unless transferred)
pack3tg0st
05-18-2009, 12:21 PM
Holy shit, that means that if you can prove you didn't break the rules, and they banned you... They are in violation of the T&C... which gives you legal recourse for having your posts removed from their site...
I guess bill never did figure out that the T&C puts them in an agreement as well...
pack3tg0st
05-18-2009, 12:26 PM
"exclusive rights holder" - generally the original owner (unless transferred)
But its a non-exclusive rights agreement... both have rights to the work, unless rights have been waived... That line on the form is untruthful... He perjured himself...
So the original poster can waive copyright? and bill can't do shit about it?
The owners of The Above Network, LLC reserve the right to eliminate or edit any content deemed inappropriate for the discussion boards, news network or any affiliated sites.
The member doesn't get input. Instead of changing the post it should be deleted, if you are a picky with words member. They could in fact rewrite posts to imply a different meaning.
pack3tg0st
05-18-2009, 12:32 PM
Which, I'm sure they've done before.
"exclusive rights holder" - generally the original owner (unless transferred)
But its a non-exclusive rights agreement... both have rights to the work, unless rights have been waived... That line on the form is untruthful... He perjured himself...
So the original poster can waive copyright? and bill can't do shit about it?
i also understood the non-exclusive rights to mean they would be unable to profit from your work without your consent. now if your work is even a small part of the total of the posts it is still a part of the "user generated" content that earns them income.
i was never good at law, apart from breaking the odd one or two. :)
book on intellectual copyright.
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=HUgMHX1dJpQC&pg=PA170&lpg=PA170&dq=copyright+ownership+on+the+internet&source=bl&ots=KMsOkO8ACN&sig=DP2Z42XBZNISAK1LXUbec0-LGCI&hl=en&ei=MHwRSv2CH5S6tAPG25TnAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8#PPA171,M1
it would make for an interesting case.
how it pertains to posting original material on a site like ats which presumes that its posters understand and have read their creative commons.
im sure it could be argued that their copyright agrrement is not explained or directly shown to members upon registration.
in fact the first i knew of their creative commons was when another member who i discussed writing with (she is a published author) explained that the work i was posting was now shared with ats.
i guess ignorance is no excuse under law, but still i'm sure there's a hole in there somewhere.
Wiki...
[offsite=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright:2rffmzsx]Several exclusive rights typically attach to the holder of a copyright:
* to produce copies or reproductions of the work and to sell those copies (mechanical rights; including, sometimes, electronic copies: distribution rights)
* to import or export the work
* to create derivative works (works that adapt the original work)
* to perform or display the work publicly (performance rights)
* to sell or assign these rights to others
* to transmit or display by radio or video (broadcasting rights)
The phrase “exclusive right,” in this context, means that only the copyright holder has a legal power to secure relief from a court against certain, statutorily defined uses by others without the copyright holder's authorization. The copyright holder is free to exercise those rights, unless doing so would violate rights of others. Copyright is sometimes called a “negative right” or "exclusionary right," as it serves to prohibit or exclude other people (e.g., readers, viewers, or listeners, and primarily publishers and would-be publishers) from doing something they would otherwise be able to do, rather than permitting people (e.g., authors) to do something they would otherwise be unable to do. In this way it is similar to the unregistered design right in English law and European law. The rights of the copyright holder also permit him/her to not use or exploit their copyright, for some or all of the term.[/offsite:2rffmzsx]
pack3tg0st
05-18-2009, 12:39 PM
Here's a question for the legal saavy ppl out there... (I don't wanna pay hundreds to call the lawyer and ask him this shit lol)
When filing a lawsuit, is the lawsuit filed in the petitioner's state, or would it be filed in the state the LLC was formed in...
I'm thinking petitioner, but there seriously has to be a better way to look at legal history than that lol
On a side note:
Wouldn't using the "quote" feature in a thread be against the Creative commons?
im sure it could be argued that their copyright agrrement is not explained or directly shown to members upon registration.
That may be a loop hole for the member to exploit.
I believe it is where the action occurs but you do see contacts / agreements where the jurisdiction is stated.
pack3tg0st
05-18-2009, 12:47 PM
perhaps we should move this behind the scenes lol
Those two guests have been watching for a while (hi bill!)
im sure it could be argued that their copyright agrrement is not explained or directly shown to members upon registration.
That may be a loop hole for the member to exploit.
that was my initial thought, but im not well versed in legal mumbo jumbo.
whats interesting is whether you would have to attribute content that is from a banned member or a member who hasn't been active for months or years.
many of the witd posts are by banned members.
and you've seen what they do to banned member profiles now, no matter how prolific or good a posters work is if they are perma banned their profile states that they are a "Null Contributor" and " This one is no more".
that to me sounds like they have ex-communicated the member and their works....hence the term null.
it might be a good idea to get some screen shots of those profiles and ban dates of some of those posts and members.
perhaps we should move this behind the scenes lol
Those two guests have been watching for a while (hi bill!)
its merely a discussion on law and copyright....they can get fucked. they dont own "free speech", at least i didnt see it covered under their CC.
the more i think about, their use of the term "Null Contributor" in my mind means that the believe that the banned member did not contribute to their site, therefore that person could reasonably ask for their posts to be removed.
imagine the mess if hundreds of banned members suddenly started asking for their "null" content to be removed. :D
pack3tg0st
05-18-2009, 12:56 PM
I'm on contact with a few of those banned members... I wonder if I got them to waive copyright, if bill would have a leg to stand on...
IF WITD was a hacker like bill said, than its possible he circumnavigated the "agreement", and never agreed to it...
Wouldn't that mean bill has no rights to the work?
pack3tg0st
05-18-2009, 12:57 PM
I don't know if you can legally compel them to remove your posts... I think we can compel them to notify us of any usage statistics and republication (quotes, their monthly thread reports etc.)
In some jurisdictions, royalties are covered in statute, and may not be waived... I did find that... so if any of us are located in those jurisdiction, bill owes you money :P
I don't know if you can legally compel them to remove your posts...
i think you could make a good legal argument that they are publically, in open fora, refering to you as a "null contributor", therefore your content must be of "null" value to the site, full copyright ownership would then be yours for your content imo.
Start a new thread elsewhere.
pack3tg0st
05-18-2009, 01:15 PM
done!
Sorry Bill... nothing more to watch...
Cogburn
05-18-2009, 01:15 PM
Hmmm... you'd have to take a look at the agreement under which the material was originally posted, I would think.
The point of ATS wanting everyone to generate content for Above Networks, LLC to then own, control and profit from takes a slightly difference license than would be required by a place like AmKon... or may be even the old ATS.
If the original were poorly constructed and latter changes were made, there's a possibility that a subsequent change in the copyright policy may have reverted ownership to the original license holders.
Our research has shown that Bill's entire career has been built upon taking major brands and building brand loyalty through online communities. He simply turned his online brand marketing experience towards ATS. If you take a look at Bill's resume it makes perfect sense. Bill's designed the whole deal to be a self-perpetuating content generator and not to be a conspiracy research website.
People who got to ATS for truth or serious research should just close the browser window and keep looking for another site.
pack3tg0st
05-18-2009, 01:20 PM
this sentence, from email correspondence says alot:
Some people involved with ATS such as Crakeur are much more interested in the pure UGC model we're trying to develop than the content of ATS.
Cogburn
05-18-2009, 01:23 PM
this sentence, from email correspondence says alot:
Some people involved with ATS such as Crakeur are much more interested in the pure UGC model we're trying to develop than the content of ATS.
I'd be more interested in a list of the Above Network, LLC partners that are interested in the content.
Why do I suspect that a list such as that would contain zero names....
pack3tg0st
05-18-2009, 01:41 PM
Simon might still be...
I think he's got some sort of non-interference agreement though...
GeneralStriker
05-18-2009, 01:48 PM
Just ignore the bums. They haven't a leg to stand upon- given that the first scene of Act 1 of any litigation drama is something called 'Discovery.' That's a can of worms that Dyspeptic Ubertard will never open. He may be a tard but he's not stupid.
pack3tg0st
05-18-2009, 01:55 PM
its still fun to raise his blood pressure lol
do you have any idea how much time we made him waste on us the last few days lol
GeneralStriker
05-18-2009, 02:21 PM
all time is a waste of itself. but what the hell- we've all got time to kill...
pack3tg0st
05-18-2009, 02:25 PM
As an insomniac, I've got more time to kill than most LOL
I imagine Bill doesn't have quite the "flexible schedule" that I do...
Not to mention i don't think he's really been sleeping much lol
GeneralStriker
05-18-2009, 02:29 PM
this wears on Bill less than you think
Bitchkoma
05-18-2009, 02:47 PM
Coz he's Iblis himself. Frakker needs no sleep.
pack3tg0st
05-18-2009, 02:51 PM
this wears on Bill less than you think
hehe he's continuously monitoring our forums here... or was after the DMCA thing...
he's made adjustments to ATS as a result of our fuckin' with him...
I think this has got his goat more than usual for some reason...
Cogburn
05-18-2009, 03:59 PM
Well I'm still annoyed about my name being dragged into things so I'm going to be appropriately annoying in return.
We have proof that the stated aims of ATS are not the true aims of Above Networks, LLC.
As a consumer I feel it is my right to inform the public of such duplicity. This is no different than highlighting any other corporate hypocrisy in America and has been repeatedly protected under the First Amendment.
There comes a time where information moves from DCMA and Creative Commons and into the realm of protected speech.
I think we're just about to cross that line.
GeneralStriker
05-18-2009, 05:53 PM
my name being dragged into things
First off- you gratuitously insinuated yourself in this thing. You were not 'dragged.' No-one either asked you to do it, nor does anyone besides yourself give a rats ass what you do.
As a consumer I feel it is my right to inform the public of such duplicity.Knock yourself out. You won't be the first nor the last to make that obvious observation.
Cogburn
05-18-2009, 05:54 PM
Umm... gee... I will... thanks...
I found his song :D
[attachment=0:2ma2k6wz]BadBoyBill.jpg[/attachment:2ma2k6wz]
apeci
05-18-2009, 07:23 PM
Do not even attempt to draw a comparison. That would be a total insult to booty house.
[offsite:14ct0z2k]§ 107. Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use
How Current is This? Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include—
(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
(2) the nature of the copyrighted work;
(3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
(4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.
The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors.[/offsite:14ct0z2k]
1. research/non-profit.
2. internet posts, general chit chat.
3. minimal.
4. none.
done deal....stick your dcma....and if you continue harassing us i'll start filing my own fucking paperwork.
jerk.
guinnessford
05-20-2009, 01:01 AM
[quote]my name being dragged into things
First off- you gratuitously insinuated yourself in this thing. You were not 'dragged.' No-one either asked you to do it, nor does anyone besides yourself give a rats ass what you do.
As a consumer I feel it is my right to inform the public of such duplicity.Knock yourself out. You won't be the first nor the last to make that obvious observation.[/quote:3sxb5h4t]
Actually. BE.... The take down notice specifically named Cogburn in it.
So it wasnt of anyones doing but septics.
I defend anything ANYONE here does, and especially to that shithole.
If you were named in the notice, Im damn sure youd be a little upthight about it too.
Fuck it, go get em Cog, I got your back.
Cogburn
05-20-2009, 01:07 AM
Heh.. it's a group effort. I just got to stand up and scream for a minute because someone called on me. :)
pack3tg0st
05-20-2009, 01:18 AM
lol I was listed too... but not NEARLY as many times as Cog or HP lol
He must just like you guys
pack3tg0st
05-20-2009, 01:18 AM
BTW Bill... we know you're watching...
Slick little change to the T&C yesterday...
Plan on announcing it to your membership? or just hoping it goes unnoticed?
Edit: You could just open a dialog here ya know... we don't bite... In fact, perhaps we would be a little more keen on being friendly if your message wasn't a "legal notification".
Cogburn
05-20-2009, 01:47 AM
LOL and drive clicks to our insignificant corner of the net by actually responding here?
Surely you jest.
pack3tg0st
05-20-2009, 01:50 AM
well hell, We sure as hell can't "chat" in his corner... most of us are banned for bullshit reasons...
Must suck to have pissed off some intelligent motherfuckers with a lame notice...
I still think he shoulda just talked about it or something, instead of just slapping with a notice...
Besides, I'd love for him to visit and tell us what that FOIA request is going to yeild...
Cogburn
07-14-2009, 12:04 AM
We do not forgive.
We do not forget.
Karma is a bitch.
Bump for great justice.
pack3tg0st
07-14-2009, 12:12 AM
Necrothread!
lol yah, I just caught up to GLP's thread on the whole thing...
Bill really has lost his marbles methinks...
Cogburn
07-14-2009, 12:14 AM
How many posts do you have on ATS prior to May 18th, 2009?
I've got a few hundred.
What a fun blizzard of near meaningless paper that would be...
Let's see how busy I am at work tomorrow.
pack3tg0st
07-14-2009, 12:16 AM
Me? I was banned in Feb...
so all of my material over there is revokable...
Probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 2000 posts
Bitchkoma
07-14-2009, 12:45 AM
I was banned mid-Apr 2008 I think. Don't remember exactly how many posts I had, but I think it was over 2k. Look for Beachcoma.
How many posts do you have on ATS prior to May 18th, 2009?
close to 3000 i think.
Pandora's box.
I wonder how much content on ATS does not conform with their "creative commons" license and their publically asserted position as "good internet citizens".
Instead of acting like bully's and issuing DMCA notices to small sites and communities you'd think that the first thing a "good internet citizen" would do would be to contact the site/adminstrators in question first and ask nicely for the misuse, either inadvertent or deliberate to be altered, fixed or removed.
Anyway, i inadvertently posted a thread on ATS last year that was originally posted here at Amkon, so i have asked Bill nicely to fix (by attaching a link to the original post) or remove the offending thread.
Having looked back through a number of my posts since you served our site with a DMCA notice i realised that a thread i posted back in March 2008 was posted here at AmKon before it was posted at ATS.
The Bible: A Deliberate Fraud. (http://amkon.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=759), by mojo.
The title of the thread at ATS is different but the content is exactly the same.
The Greatest Conspiracy Ever Perpetrated: My Interpretation. (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread344092/pg1), by mojo4sale.
My thread on AmKon was posted on Wed March 12 2008. The thread on ATS was posted 25/3/08, 13 days later.
There is no link back in the ATS post to the original article or attribution to my AmKon username as author.
Could you kindly add the link back to the original article at AmKon or remove the article from your forum.
Although this was inadvertent on my part as the author at the time and was not noticed by your staff either, that under your "creative commons" license and the recent DMCA notices sent to both AmKon and to GLP and to follow up posts by yourself asserting your intention to be "good internet citizens" that you as the instigator of these legal notices would ensure that you are also complying with your own copyright T&C.
Thanks.
m4s.
skunk
07-14-2009, 11:40 AM
Hahahahahahahahaha. Flag and a star.
Thanks Bill.
That wasn't so hard was it, no need to resort to bullying tactics when a simple cordial email/u2u is all thats required. :)
A member of the forum staff, SkepticOverlord, has deleted your thread, The Greatest Conspiracy Ever Perpetrated: My Interpretation..
There might be numerous reasons for this action that range from a gross Terms & Conditions violation to something as simple as the existence of another thread on the same or very similar topic. If you don't feel this was a good decision by our staff, you can simply reply to this U2U for more explanation, or file a complaint where all of our staff can review your comments. In the event we find merit to restore your thread, be assured that it has been preserved and can be returned to public view at any time.
For additional information from SkepticOverlord, simply respond to this U2U.
A form letter generated by the delete action. Nice personal touch.
boycotteverything
07-15-2009, 01:48 AM
man- what a douchebag. in fact, he gives douchebags a bad name.
[inmg=:30071338]http://jamesrenner.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/douchebag.jpg[/inmg:30071338]
haha.
funny thing is that was probably one of the best threads i posted at ats, and if it hadn't been for ats bullying other sites with DMCA notices it would still be there.
pack3tg0st
07-15-2009, 02:00 AM
lol Awesome mojo!
BTW... look at what we did tonight...
First and foremost... our "most users online" record...
PWNT
boycotteverything
07-15-2009, 02:06 AM
well you can subtract one. i'm going to bed.
Bitchkoma
07-15-2009, 02:35 AM
Hey I'm to Lazy to send Bill asking him to take down my threads. I authorize Mojo to act as my agent to get the following threads by me (Beachcoma) removed:
Aircraft contrails contributing to global warming?
atsdomain/forum/thread304907/pg1
Pond Scum and The Future
atsdomain/forum/thread198590/pg1
The only two threads I really care about and put a whole lot of effort in researching.
warrenb
10-27-2009, 01:08 PM
Bill Irvine, Chief Executive Officer: Previously CEO of Visionary Media, Inc., a developer and publisher of innovative interactive story books on CD-ROM for children in the early 1990's, Bill most recent experience has been as the general manager of the interactive/digital department for two advertising agencies, The Wolf Group and Cossette Communications. He has long been an advocate of the "wisdom of crowds" and the "user in charge" philosophy of collaborative online efforts. His experience in managing user-generated content environments extends as far back as the highly popular Computer Arts Forum on the Compuserve Information Service.
Mark Allin, Chief Operating Officer: The pure-play entrepreneur on the team, Allin previously developed, launched, staffed, and managed a self-sustaining direct response marketing group for a national mortgage lender that earned $15 million in annual revenue. Mark has long been involved in business start-ups, television programming, and online ventures. Mark brings his business operations expertise and experience in entertainment ventures into the management mix. Allin played in integral role in working the deal that secured our first round of equity investment based on their plan for building a business around the User-Generated Content Ecosystem model.
Simon Gray, Founder and Chief Properties Officer: Having originally founded AboveTopSecret.com in 1997, and being involved in "user generated content" for over ten years, Simon is steeped in the culture of online communities and message boards as he painstakingly grew his brain-child from a modest collection of content to a phenomenon with global reach. Simon brings his awareness of the culture and knack for knowing a viable community focus. As the we prove our "Content Ecosystem" concept, Simon will begin the task of identifying new content areas to apply the business model.
Stephen Melzer, Chief Financial Officer: A successful partner in a midtown Manhattan accounting firm, Stephen is a veteran of packaging angel and first-round venture investment initiatives of varying magnitudes. As we grow into multiple channels of distribution, Stephen's diverse background in the finances of publishing and entertainment will play a key role.
Jeff Lombardy, Director of Sales: A highly successful sales professional with massive rolodex across several industries, Jeff is spearheading our effort into direct sales of advertising inventory across all properties, online and offline.
Aee-tee-ess is nothing more than a profit generating machine. Its all about marketing and eyeballs.
Funny that they would send you a DMCA considering 80% of their members post content that is plagiarized from other sources in the first place.
IMHo too frikkin funny and pretty ballsy of them to think they can claim to own others property and content.
Cogburn
10-27-2009, 01:32 PM
Yet another who swallowed the red pill.
We can be asshats, but we're the smartest fucking asshats in the conspiracy community... because we actually think about other things than conspiracy.
Good to have you on board.
warrenb
10-27-2009, 02:26 PM
Yet another who swallowed the red pill.
We can be asshats, but we're the smartest fucking asshats in the conspiracy community... because we actually think about other things than conspiracy.
Good to have you on board.
thank you!
I will strive to be the best asshat I can be
;)
Eyeforalie
10-27-2009, 02:50 PM
I thought we we supposed to take all the pills?
b]o7eViKPSkZUb]
Lexion
10-27-2009, 03:29 PM
Wow, someone else woke
the fuck up.
Slowly but surely....
boycotteverything
10-27-2009, 03:55 PM
Yet another who swallowed the red pill.
We can be asshats, but we're the smartest fucking asshats in the conspiracy community... because we actually think about other things than conspiracy.
Good to have you on board.
thank you!
I will strive to be the best asshat I can be
;)ass far as asshattery here is concerned you've got some tough fucking competition. the very next poster in this thread will prove that contention, i'm sure.
skunk
10-27-2009, 04:51 PM
No I won't.
Oh shit, I just did.
i've run out of red pills, i'm onto beige ones now.
skunk
10-27-2009, 10:40 PM
You might like marinol if you can get your hands on some. Liquid THC, in a pill.
Cogburn
10-27-2009, 10:43 PM
I think I've still got some Terrorin around here somewhere...
Infinite`Eternal`Forever
12-13-2009, 06:50 PM
ATS sucks..
(except for asala :D)
Lexion
12-13-2009, 06:59 PM
Access Denied sucks, too.
If you're a Mod.
If you're Admin, she has your
child.
anarch
12-13-2009, 09:08 PM
7 months... Thats all its been? Wow...SPAAAATA
Infinite`Eternal`Forever
12-14-2009, 12:30 AM
Access Denied sucks, too.
If you're a Mod.
If you're Admin, she has your
child.
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa86/etothedouble/24b0xhe.gif
RoadKill
12-15-2009, 08:24 PM
**Phone number removed by Jasn. All other contact info included in the email is readily available at The Above Network website.
Attn: "Amkon.net" operators and HostGator service provider...
Pursuant to 17 USC 512(c)(3)(A), this communication serves as a statement that:
As CEO of The Above Network, LLC, I am an authorized agent for content posted to our online social content community, "AboveTopSecret.com", as authorized by members in our Terms & Conditions as they elect to join the community.
These exclusive rights are being violated by material available upon your site, without proper attribution or adherence to our clearly posted usage guidelines, at the following URL(s):
viewtopic.php?f=84&t=6603&start=80
first post by "homingpigeon"
second post by "cogburn"
third post by "cogburn"
forth post by "hominpigeon"
sixth post by "cogburn"
ninth post by "homingpigeon"
viewtopic.php?f=84&t=6603&start=60
second post by "pack3tg0st"
14th post by "pack3tg0st"
16th post by "hominpigeon"
viewtopic.php?f=84&t=6603&start=40
third post by "homingpigeon"
In fact, there is an inordinate amount of improperly attributed content from our domain, AboveTopSecret.com, throughout your "Amkon.net" web site, some of which is posted-by or commented on by those labeled as "administrators" or "moderators," so as to be impossible to list in one email.
The original content, along with clearly posted usage guidelines which you have ignored, was posted by contributors of our site, and entrusted to our stewardship.
I have a good faith belief that the use of this material in such a fashion is not authorized by the copyright holder, the copyright holder's agent, the law, or our clearly linked copyright and usage guidelines that accompany each and every piece of content on our domains;
Under penalty of perjury in a United States court of law, I state that the information contained in this notification is accurate, and that I am authorized to act on the behalf of the exclusive rights holder for the material in question;
I may be contacted by the following methods:
***REMOVED BY REQUEST***
I hereby request that you IMMEDIATELY REMOVE this and all material originating from the AboveTopSecret.com domain, or any other domain owned by The Above Network, LLC, from your website, and additionally inform you that edits to correct neglected attribution are not sufficient to satisfy our usage guidelines.
Lexion
12-15-2009, 08:27 PM
Attn: "Amkon.net" operators and HostGator service provider...
Pursuant to 17 USC 512(c)(3)(A), this communication serves as a statement that:
As CEO of The Above Network, LLC, I am an authorized agent for content posted to our online social content community, "AboveTopSecret.com", as authorized by members in our Terms & Conditions as they elect to join the community.
These exclusive rights are being violated by material available upon your site, without proper attribution or adherence to our clearly posted usage guidelines, at the following URL(s):
viewtopic.php?f=84&t=6603&start=80
first post by "homingpigeon"
second post by "cogburn"
third post by "cogburn"
forth post by "hominpigeon"
sixth post by "cogburn"
ninth post by "homingpigeon"
viewtopic.php?f=84&t=6603&start=60
second post by "pack3tg0st"
14th post by "pack3tg0st"
16th post by "hominpigeon"
viewtopic.php?f=84&t=6603&start=40
third post by "homingpigeon"
In fact, there is an inordinate amount of improperly attributed content from our domain, AboveTopSecret.com, throughout your "Amkon.net" web site, some of which is posted-by or commented on by those labeled as "administrators" or "moderators," so as to be impossible to list in one email.
The original content, along with clearly posted usage guidelines which you have ignored, was posted by contributors of our site, and entrusted to our stewardship.
I have a good faith belief that the use of this material in such a fashion is not authorized by the copyright holder, the copyright holder's agent, the law, or our clearly linked copyright and usage guidelines that accompany each and every piece of content on our domains;
Under penalty of perjury in a United States court of law, I state that the information contained in this notification is accurate, and that I am authorized to act on the behalf of the exclusive rights holder for the material in question;
I may be contacted by the following methods:
***REMOVED BY REQUEST***
I hereby request that you IMMEDIATELY REMOVE this and all material originating from the AboveTopSecret.com domain, or any other domain owned by The Above Network, LLC, from your website, and additionally inform you that edits to correct neglected attribution are not sufficient to satisfy our usage guidelines.
And, who are you ?
And, why should we care ?
Jackinthebox
12-15-2009, 08:37 PM
Fuck Bill, fuck ATS. Suck my mother fuckin grundle crumble.
Alessandra
12-15-2009, 08:47 PM
And, who are you ?
And, why should we care ?
Two simple sentences full of awesomeness.
Ex-fucking-actly
Lexion
12-15-2009, 09:22 PM
Two simple sentences full of awesomeness.
Ex-fucking-actly
Thanks.
Lord knows, I try.
Some one is thinking they are saving stuff from deletion or just trying to get crap flying around here, my take.
Lexion
12-15-2009, 09:28 PM
Trying to start shit.
Established, STFU is an off-shoot
of ATS.
More proof.