Tracking IPs and other spying

[boycotteverything]

It's well known that the dark side routinely tracks IPs and otherwise spies on and violates the privacy its members and guests. Does Amkon also do this? And if so- why?

[Chorlton]

Come on ! they cant even do maintenance without fucking the entire thing up for 2 days

INCOMIIIIIIIIIIIING

[boycotteverything]

I'm just curious because I consider it to be a highly unethical and invasive practice. I recall the time when Kate banned Shawnna at Wyzwerlde for doing exactly this during the Richard Kennett episode. But Kate is a principled and ethical administrator and Shawnna was not. Are there others like Kate on the tubes?

[mojo]

yep i regularly check IP's. I can't ever recall checking your's though, your not important enough.

There's numerous reasons for checking IP's, if you don't know i'm not going to bother explaining it to you.

[pack3tg0st]

Everywhere tracks IPs BE...

I think the bigger issue is what do people do with those IP logs...

And do they tell their membership that they don't track IPs?

Every email you have ever sent has your IP address on it...

Cookies track better than IP's though...

[GeneralStriker]

OK. Then what's the big issue with ATS doing it?

[pack3tg0st]

The big issue is that they say they don't when they really do IMHO...

But, the average user out there who is also conspiracy minded doesn't like the idea of leaving fingerprints... which is probably why most people freak out over there...

if your worried about it... get behind a proxy or two...

But, I don't hide here on Amkon... don't think I have have proxied over here... I ain't skurred!

[GeneralStriker]

I always use a proxie. The main reason is that i can't log on to many websites (including Google and Amkon) without one.

[mojo]

OK. Then what's the big issue with ATS doing it?

i dont have an issue with them doing, only have an issue with them lying about it, i thought that was obvious.

[torbjon]

BE: (et al):

Just out of curiosity, have you ever tracked your own IP?

here's mine:

98.109.249.73

have fun with it.

[Heike]

I'm not sure how valuable IP tracking really is these days. I may have a static IP here at work, not sure, but at home I get a dynamic IP from Dish every time I restart or turn off my computer. Of course they have a "range," but with several thousand customers it's a pretty big range. I know my bank can't deal with it .. every time I log into online banking I have to answer the challenge question because it doesn't "recognize" me by my IP.

The things that annoy ME are keyloggers, spyware, 3rd party cookies, adware, "toolbars," etc.

And the BIG BIGGIE at ATS is the reading of private u2us. They claim that they don't read u2us unless they get a complaint, but how many witnesses do we have to prove that that isn't true, and/or that Bill is not the only one who can read them? A bunch, I think.

Another issue is the tracking of member activities on other sites. That one still has me scratching my head when I think about it. Sort of like Amazon.com closing your account for shopping at eBay, or eHarmony trashing your account because they caught you on onlinebootycall.com, or myspace deciding that its members aren't allowed to have facebook or twitter accounts. Who the FUCK do they think they are? It's a website, not some kind of exclusive country club where you can get kicked out for unseemly behavior. As far as I'm concerned, no website has the right to have any concerns about what I say or do on any other site, with one possible exception - if, for example, I joined GLP and started telling lies about Amkon, I'd expect that y'all might have something to say about it. And even then, what kind of unpardonable hubris is it to try to control someone's actions on other sites after you've banned them from your site?

[pack3tg0st]

BE: (et al):

Just out of curiosity, have you ever tracked your own IP?

here's mine:

98.109.249.73

have fun with it.

Confidence in your firewall. nice!

Want a list of open ports on your comp? lol

[GeneralStriker]

i really don't give a shit about your IP. but i do care about spying in general whether it's copped to or not.

[mojo]

i really don't give a shit about your IP. but i do care about spying in general whether it's copped to or not.


haha...well bad luck coz as long as im able to do it im going to keep checking IP's for bots, or spammers, or socks from other places that want to cause shit.
don't like it, tough shit.

[GeneralStriker]

yeah- well, it may be tough shit but it's still subject to abuse. amkon needs to have a clearly stated policy in this regard.

[pack3tg0st]

If it makes you feel any better GS, I PM'd Jasn asking for the IP address of our "insider" in that ATS thread... he told me that he couldn't give it to me... but if I had an IP, he'd compare and give yes/no...

I couldn't get the IP address outta them for shit...

It sucked... but made me feel good about their privacy policy at the same time...

damn ethics... always getting in the way of unethical behavior on my part :P

[GeneralStriker]

jasn did the right thing. he may be a useless tard (and ugly)- but he's ethical and honest to the max. that's why we're here.

[pack3tg0st]

Yah, I know he did the right thing lol

Still woulda been fun though lol

damn ethics.

[GeneralStriker]

There's a certain modicum of 'implied' trust on any site. But that implication is not enough. The policy needs to be stated and applied to anyone who has been given admin rights. It goes further than privacy. The violation of privacy is just one of many abuses of which an unprincipled administrator can avail themselves. I recall an incident when an admin here took it upon himself to delete posts and change a poster's screen name with impunity- and with the tacit support of fellow admins. Amkon ethics? To me, that betrays a 'good ol' boy' mob mentality worthy of ATS. That it should be condoned- without rebuke- doesn't speak well of the operative ethics here.

[hp]

ATS logs the IP with each post and can turn on server logs whenever they feel like snooping.
I'll bet there is a filter for u2u posts to watch for URLs, including email addresses, and sends a message to management when one is detected.
We know they filter the referrer and display the warning message.
Most likely a 'waiting to ban list' for mods to watch.
Speaking of mods, if you like to suck up and kiss and don't mind having you spine removed, you can get that special position. Pay is the respect of a bunch of sheep.

[mojo]

yeah- well, it may be tough shit but it's still subject to abuse. amkon needs to have a clearly stated policy in this regard.

what like a rule or something.


hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah....... .

[hp]

Great new concept - no rules for the members but tight rules for the mods.

[GeneralStriker]

what like a rule or something.precisely

[GeneralStriker]

Great new concept - no rules for the members but tight rules for the mods.Isn't that the Spirit of '76? Sign me up.

[mojo]

There's a certain modicum of 'implied' trust on any site. But that implication is not enough. The policy needs to be stated and applied to anyone who has been given admin rights. It goes further than privacy.

fuck off, you are such a fucking crybaby when it suits you, yet when caught doing something outside of the bounds of the stated policy's of this site you carry on like a headless fucking chook, and now you want a policy to protect your IP. your a fuckwit and there will be a policy put in place because of your whinging over my dead body.



I recall an incident when an admin here took it upon himself to delete posts and change a poster's screen name with impunity- and with the tacit support of fellow admins. Amkon ethics? To me, that betrays a 'good ol' boy' mob mentality worthy of ATS. That it should be condoned- without rebuke- doesn't speak well of the operative ethics here.

ohhh, lets start recalling incidents where people have ignored policy's shall we, and also ignored genuine polite communication about infractions of said policy's or even (shudder) lied about their involvement in any infractions.

smoke em if ya got em.

[mojo]

what like a rule or something.precisely

go look at your left hands avatar you moron.


you know the one, with the dog carrying the "no rules" sign.

LOL...douche.

[hp]

smoke em if ya got em

Thanks, I'm on 5.

Can't have it both ways or at least that's how I see it. Pick a side.

[GeneralStriker]

ohhh, lets start recalling incidents where people have ignored policy's shall we, and also ignored genuine polite communication about infractions of said policy's or even (shudder) lied about their involvement in any infractions.Any questions? The 'good ol' boy network in action. And exactly- when have I lied? It's a hell of a lot easier to make accusations than to substantiate them. Protect your sycophants as you will. But be sure to include yourself among them.

[GeneralStriker]

go look at your left hands avatar you moron.


you know the one, with the dog carrying the "no rules" sign.No rules does not imply 'no principles.' You moron.

[GeneralStriker]

I've never expected that a 9th grader would know the distinction.

[pack3tg0st]

But when principals are written into policy... they become Rules...

[GeneralStriker]

Then let's have a policy.

[GeneralStriker]

But when principals are written into policy... they become Rules...Oh- and by the way- we're referring to 'principles,' not 'principals.' Therein lies the conundrum.

[hp]

So, is this how freedom meets it's death...Hope not...

[pack3tg0st]

Policy = rules...

Rules are bad...

No rules IMHO...

[pack3tg0st]

But when principals are written into policy... they become Rules...Oh- and by the way- we're referring to 'principles,' not 'principals.' Therein lies the conundrum.

Grammar errors or no, the intent of the post still stands.

http://marcvz.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/grammar-nazi.jpg

[mojo]

haha...fuck you and your policy's.

and i'm no man's sycophant, whether you believe that or not is moot.

you forget one very important point, no one with an ounce of intelligence cares what you think.

:lol:

but this sure is fun.

[GeneralStriker]

So, is this how freedom meets it's death...Hope not...This is how freedom always meets its death. We both know that.

[mojo]

Ghey!

[GeneralStriker]

you forget one very important point, no one with an ounce of intelligence cares what you think.Sure. I agree. But those with more than an ounce- do. I'm not appealing to the ouncers.

[mojo]

It's a hell of a lot easier to make accusations than to substantiate them

lol, well there's some truth.

a little pearl from grandad springs to mind about stones and glass houses.

[mojo]

you forget one very important point, no one with an ounce of intelligence cares what you think.Sure. I agree. But those with more than an ounce- do. I'm not appealing to the ouncers.

haha, you can appeal all you fucking like.

fill up the void in your miserable existence with plaintive cries into the void for all i care.

[GeneralStriker]

please don't steal my words. they're dysfunctional coming from lessor lights.

[pack3tg0st]

food fight?

[mojo]

Please Be Advised That There Are NEW RULES And Regulations Implemented To Ensure The Safety And Privacy Of The Members Of AmKon.

Dress Code:
You are advised to come to AmKon dressed according to your salary.

Sick Days:
We will no longer accept a doctor's statement as proof of sickness, if you miss more than one day posting we may rescind all your priviledges.

Personal Days:
Each employee will receive 104 personal days a year. They are called Saturdays & Sundays. You are expected to post twice as often on these days.

Bereavement Leave:
This is no excuse for missing posting on AmKon. There is nothing you can do for dead friends or relatives. Every effort should be made to have non-AmKon members attend the funeral arrangements in your place. In rare cases where AmKon member involvement is necessary, the funeral should be scheduled in the late afternoon. We will be glad to allow you to post through your lunch hour and subsequently leave one hour early.

Bathroom Breaks:
Entirely too much time is being spent in the toilet. There is now a strict three-minute time limit in the toilet. At the end of three minutes, an alarm will sound, the toilet paper roll will retract, the stall door will open, and a picture will be taken. After your second offense, your picture will be posted on the AmKon member photo's thread under the 'Chronic Offenders' category. Anyone caught smiling in the picture will be sectioned under AmKon's mental health policy.

Lunch Break:
* Skinny people get 30 minutes for lunch, as they need to eat more, so
that they can look healthy.
* Normal size people get 15 minutes for lunch to get a balanced meal to
maintain their average figure.
* Chubby people get 5 minutes for lunch, because that's all the time
needed to drink a Slim-Fast.

Thank you for your loyalty to our site. We are here to provide a positive posting experience. Therefore, all questions, comments, concerns, complaints, frustrations, irritations, aggravations, insinuations, allegations, accusations, contemplations, consternation and input should be directed elsewhere.

Ohhh and sub clause 7 (b) shall henceforth state that AmKon staff will no longer look at any of our members IP addresses while our members are watching.

Oh...and sub clause 9 (a) we promise not to infringe on anyone elses freedoms by posting material that someone might find offensive, in fact we promise to have respect for others rights and not act as though "freedom of speech" means we can be complete fuckwits just because we want to get a reaction.

[hp]

Where the radio button where I select 'Agree' to these terms so that I don't get banned.

[mojo]

Where the radio button where I select 'Agree' to these terms so that I don't get banned.

just PM your IP to me so that i can cross check it against the ones we have logged, once ive ascertained your location i will make a note in our admin thread that you have agreed to our terms and are a suitable supplicant.

[hp]

One question to clarify a point that may arise in the near future.

Will freedom of religion and/or belief in a supreme being be allowed by members

or

Will we be required to Worship the Seal or the Supreme Dark overlord

[mojo]

ohh...definately the seal...you will have to convert.

[hp]

I suppose an interesting research project might be to search posts to discover if someone's manic period is the first half of the month or the second.

Just shows one can't really please any one any time.

[skunk]

We track every post and IP that logs into amkon and the data is compiled into a text document. That file is sent to our friends at the NSA on a bi-weekly basis in exchange for tickets to Hannah Montana concerts.

[hp]

And you don't share the tickets...Mod perk?

[Heike]

just PM your IP to me

But I don't KNOW my IP. And besides that, it keeps changing!!!

http://talkingheadtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/ht_shock_060727_ssv.jpg

[hp]

Sign me up with 74.54.143.82.

[Ducky]

Hey Heike? I tweaked yer pic a bit. lololol :mrgreen:

Here's the new mascot for all the whiners:

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff284/CanuckyDucky/crybaby1.jpg

[GeneralStriker]

Is this really so funny? Is privacy really so inconsequential? Is Mod abuse simply a matter of course? Deny Intelligence. And shit on suffering children while you're at it. I expected no more from Duck. But you, Heike?

[Heike]

Cheese Whiz, I was only joking.

Now I'm REALLY going to sulk.

[GeneralStriker]

I should hope so...

[Ducky]

Cheese Whiz, I was only joking.

Now I'm REALLY going to sulk.

Don't be silly dawling.
I wan't poking fun at you :D

[Heike]

Is this really so funny? Is privacy really so inconsequential. Is Mod abuse simply a matter of course? Deny Intelligence.

You want a mod to be Johnny on the spot when a bot is posting gucci handbag adverts or pron, but you don't want a mod to be able to see your ip address? You can't have it both ways.

I bet if someone hacked your account and posted really nice, kind, mushy stuff while pretending to be you, you'd be GRATEFUL if the Mod could prove it wasn't you by looking at the IP.

Get a grip dude.. every web site tracks your IP and sets cookies. There's only one way to avoid that .. stay off the internet!

[mojo]

Is this really so funny? Is privacy really so inconsequential? Is Mod abuse simply a matter of course? Deny Intelligence. And shit on suffering children while you're at it. I expected no more from Duck. But you, Heike?

fuck yeah its funny...its as funny as all the threads you gleefully derail of others with no interest or respect for their time, effort or thought.

mod abuse!

lol, if you ask nicely maybe kacen will share his meds with you.

haha, your a fucking goldmine of hypocrisy.

[GeneralStriker]

Is it relevant that Duck needed to fake her own banning from ATS in order to join this club? But Heike- we believe that you know the pain...

[mojo]

Is it relevant that Duck needed to fake her own banning from ATS in order to join this club? But Heike- we believe that you know the pain...

does it really matter how anyone finds there way here, only that they do.


once again...your slip is showing...time to change your panties.

[GeneralStriker]

I never assumed that Kacen was on some sort of meds- but rather that he had a point of view. Shit in the members as you will. It seems to have become the Amkon way for you.

[GeneralStriker]

...Unworthy of an administrator.

[hp]

This site, like most phpbbs, is about as far down the scale as one can go as far as privacy issues. IPs are available with every internet transmission and here an email is also entered. Pretty minimal. If this is too much then one should walk away from the internet

[GeneralStriker]

Don't we dare to be different?

[Ducky]

This site, like most phpbbs, is about as far down the scale as one can go as far as privacy issues. IPs are available with every internet transmission and here an email is also entered. Pretty minimal. If this is too much then one should walk away from the internet

Here! Here!

I happen to like roughing it. It's like camping, and it goes with the quaint cabin scenery on our home page.

[Lexion]

I happen to like roughing it.

Bareback ?

Regards,
Lex

[Heike]

And shit on suffering children while you're at it. I expected no more from Duck. But you, Heike?

Et tu, Heike? Oh .. I feel so guilty now... :oops: :cry:
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NOT.

That kid's probably 30 by now and will most likely never know that I used the picture of her that someone posted on talkingheadtv. Shit on suffering children my big, white, orange peeled ass. I work at a place that HELPS children, but I guess you conveniently forgot that.

That's like not wanting any government agency or authority to have your street address and then complaining when you call 911 and they can't find your house. Two sides of the same coin.

[mojo]

...Unworthy of an administrator.

haha, so im unworthy in your eye's....fucking excellent, i've done something right at least.

[Heike]

Shit on the members as you will. It seems to have become the Amkon way for you.

[offsite:1eoun2ck][center:1eoun2ck]Shit - A Reality Tale[/center:1eoun2ck]

A little bird was flying south for the winter. It was so cold; the bird froze up and fell to the ground in a large field. While it was lying there, a cow came by and dropped some dung on it. As the frozen bird lay there in the pile of cow dung, it began to realize how warm it was. The dung was actually thawing him out! He lay there all warm and happy, and soon began to sing for joy.

A passing cat heard the bird singing and came to investigate. Following the sound, the cat discovered the bird under the pile of cow dung, and promptly dug him out and ate him!

The morals of this story are:

* Not everyone who drops shit on you is your enemy.
* Not everyone who gets you out of shit is your friend.
* And when you're in deep shit, keep your mouth shut![/offsite:1eoun2ck]
http://www.arunjain.com/jokes/Shit_-_A_Bird_Story.htm

[GeneralStriker]

That's like not wanting any government agency or authority to have your street address and then complaining when you call 911really? so this is a government agency? no difference? and so that kid's 30 by now- did you feel her pain? or not? pain is never funny. but stupidity is.

[GeneralStriker]

Bottom line. Spying is OK because:

1. Everyone does it.
2. Governments do it.
3. Springer does it.

Have I missed anything?

[mojo]

...Unworthy of an administrator.

ive got an idea...why dont you send a letter to your congressman (or in this case a pm to jasn would do the trick), tell him all your grievances against me, he'll sack me if he thinks its warranted, its no biggie, im sure i'll recover from the humiliation of losing a highly payed position on a website that stops me from spending valuable time tossing off into a tissue on the bathroom floor.

hehe....uhhhh gotta love crapulence, it really is an underrated pastime.

[mojo]

Have I missed anything?

shit yeah...you've missed a whole heap of stuff.

[Heike]

Yes, stupidity is funny. Especially when it's you.

The admins can't ban bots and spammers and solve problems unless they can see IPs.

Here's your sign.

And by the way, the English phrase "that's like" usually precedes an analogy. You should probably look that up since you obviously don't understand what one is.

And anyway, when did you become psychic? I figure that kid is having one hell of a fine temper tantrum over not getting her way, not that she's in pain. :roll:

[mojo]

And anyway, when did you become psychic? I figure that kid is having one hell of a fine temper tantrum over not getting her way, not that she's in pain. :roll:

lol, BE is the knight in shining armour coming to all of your rescue, show him the respect he deserves you malcontents.

[GeneralStriker]

Bottom line. Spying is OK because:

1. Everyone does it.
2. Governments do it.
3. Springer does it.

Have I missed anything?

[mojo]

Have I missed anything?

shit yeah..heaps of stuff.

[GeneralStriker]

Oh--- that you're fighting off the intertube terroristas. sorry. i forgot.

[mojo]

you missed where i hide the IP logs.

Hint: it starts with camel toe.

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[Lexion]

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Please.

[mojo]

another life ruined.

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[Heike]

lol, BE is the knight in shining armour coming to all of your rescue, show him the respect he deserves you malcontents.

I AM showing him the respect he deserves.

:P

[mojo]

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Please.

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:D

[Ducky]

[attachment=0:ph8hzaof]fireexit.jpg[/attachment:ph8hzaof]

LMAOOOOOOO

"Let me out! Let me out!
"Let me in! Let me in!

:lol:

[guinnessford]

My thouht is that I have trust in Mojo, and other mods here.
If I had malicious intent, I would be proxied or socked up, but dont wish to pissed anyone off.
As far as the other shithole, the point that they lie about the tracking is enuff to negate ANY trust whatsoever.
Anyone here tracking an IP is doing so for legitimate purposes, (I beleive) and most likely wouldnt do the things they would over there.
Being that their motive for 99.9 % of anything they do is cash, advertising, or other profit based objectives, the things they do they need to lie about tracking your IP.
Mojo, Apeci, and any other person here capable of tracking your IP isnt looking to do that crap.
Like we had said before, B.E., we're a tight crew here, even when we dont always get along, we treat each other pretty well.
Moral to my ramble: Amkon may track, but it aint the same as what they, and most others do.

[Cogburn]

I don't let my IP show up in posts and whatnot to keep it out of Google cache.

However if you use the internet, your IP gets out there. There's no danger in having your IP show up on websites... not even malicious ones.

Get over yourself.

[mojo]

hell GF even if we were spying on folk and lying and generally behaving like other places, theres a simple fucking solution. leave.

Its the fucking internet for christsake, its not important in the scheme of things, except for belligerent old cocksuckers who like nothing more than to stir up shit to make themselves feel big.

[skunk]

Is this really so funny? Is privacy really so inconsequential? Is Mod abuse simply a matter of course? Deny Intelligence. And shit on suffering children while you're at it. I expected no more from Duck. But you, Heike?

Mod abuse? Now what the hell are you on about?


Is it relevant that Duck needed to fake her own banning from ATS in order to join this club?

To the best of my knowledge ducky never faked anything.


I never assumed that Kacen was on some sort of meds- but rather that he had a point of view. Shit in the members as you will. It seems to have become the Amkon way for you.

You bet your ass kacen is on meds. He's said right here on amkon he's medicated. Right after a crazy post of his ie the gore spamming or something else to that extent he'll apologize for running out of his pills.


...Unworthy of an administrator.

Thank fucking god the decision of who is worthy of being admin isn't up to you. The AmKon demi-god Jasn is the only one we answer to here.


Don't we dare to be different?

Are you fucking kidding me with this shit? This is amkon.


Bottom line. Spying is OK because:

1. Everyone does it.
2. Governments do it.
3. Springer does it.

Have I missed anything?

Who the hell is spying on you? You've said so yourself you're behind a proxy, so what do you have to worry about anyway? The real problem in this case happens to be google (or what you call "the borg" right?) tracking everything on the internet. Not to mention NSA data mining or the pure fact we're accessing web pages being filtered through IARPA and DARPA.

Get a fucking clue.


Bottom line. Spying is OK because:

1. Everyone does it.
2. Governments do it.
3. Springer does it.

Have I missed anything?

Now you're starting to sound like a broken record- again. Please get some new material and at least try to make unique posts every once in a while. The whole "quote yourself to prove a point" is getting old.


Oh--- that you're fighting off the intertube terroristas. sorry. i forgot.

Are you describing yourself or spam/porn bots? Have I ever told you how nice beads in your hair would look? How about a gucci purse?

[skunk]

Oh by the way, you're a whiny little bitch.

[Cogburn]

Is it relevant that Duck needed to fake her own banning from ATS in order to join this club?

To the best of my knowledge ducky never faked anything.


Gigiddy gigiddy.

[pack3tg0st]

Here's the skinny BE:

If you want anonymity on the internet, you have to do it yourself.

When you send an email, your IP is in the header, when you log into a site, your IP is logged with the host... hell, its even possible that DNS servers could record your IP address... that means any time you type www.amkon.net (http://www.amkon.net), the DNS server could log your IP while it found the IP address of the AMKON...

Yah, the entire internet revolves around IP... (quite fitting, since IP stands for Internet Protocol).

Spying would be if Amkon put a cookie on your computer that reported back to the Mods every so often... and any half intelligent person with a halfway decent firewall would catch that...

Amkon doesn't spy... BUT, IP numbers are logged... without logging IP numbers, it would be IMPOSSIBLE to perma-ban people...

Your reaction to the fact that IP addresses are logged just screams of someone who doesn't fully understand how the internet works... But, if you're worried about it... proxy up... if your worried about other people, teach them how to proxy up... simple fuckin' solution.

The issue most people have with ATS logging IP's, is that they lie and say they don't. They lie constantly about it...

You asked about IP's here, and you got the fuckin' truth... and you're pissed about it?

Fuck, next time just lie to him Mojo...

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/2/26518/875694-nerd_rage_super.jpg

[hp]

Spying would be if Amkon put a cookie on your computer that reported back to the Mods every so often... and any half intelligent person with a halfway decent firewall would catch that...

Cookies that match a resource are automatically sent (if enabled) every time the browser connects to that resource. A standard firewall doesn't care because cookies are just an HTTP header.

Now these so called cookies walls are a different story...

[pack3tg0st]

LOL well yah, Mine is sent to prompt every time... so its a diff story with me...

but you're right... I just took my situation for granted...

[guinnessford]

hell GF even if we were spying on folk and lying and generally behaving like other places, theres a simple fucking solution. leave.

Its the fucking internet for christsake, its not important in the scheme of things, except for belligerent old cocksuckers who like nothing more than to stir up shit to make themselves feel big.


True, very true.

I have faith in you guys, you're in a position of "power" because you're trusted.

I think maybe B.E.'s concern is maybe a little more fear laced than anything else, and then felt a little poked after.

I dont know, just what my thought is.

We all know B.E. is a smart guy, and sometimes gets pissed, and pisses others off.

Im not defending any side here, just stating what my thoughts are, and being its of the general thought of it being fairly "free" here, I guess he can also say what he feels.

I get along with everyone here, and have never had the slightest feeling of having to take extra security measures, B.E., maybe you are taking it a little hard?

Is there anything that maybe brought this up for you to post it?

Find someone logging you, or otherwise messing with you?

Or is it a question in general?

[mojo]

hell GF even if we were spying on folk and lying and generally behaving like other places, theres a simple fucking solution. leave.

Its the fucking internet for christsake, its not important in the scheme of things, except for belligerent old cocksuckers who like nothing more than to stir up shit to make themselves feel big.


True, very true.

I have faith in you guys, you're in a position of "power" because you're trusted.

hell i dont even think its that complicated.
when amkon first began it was jasn and a dozen or so of his friends from ats who wanted to keep in touch, lol, jasn made us all mods or admins at various stages of our early existence.
sure since then the place has grown pretty quickly, a couple of admins have left never to return, a couple are still admins or mods but are very rarely here anymore, for instance, steve-o still has admin status as does corey, i think vamp queen might still have mod status. but basically what you have left since those heady days of old are a few of us, myself, skunk, apeci, bitchkoma, foxtrot and jasn who pretty much spend a fair amount of time here trying our best to make this a site that all of our members can be proud of.
im pretty sure this place has grown beyond jasn's initial expectations, it sure has in mine.
ive never been on the staff of a website before, and i probably wouldnt ever do it anywhere else either except my own pissy little site.
i do it because jasn asked me to and he's a pretty damn good friend and the fact that i really do like 99.9% of the people here.
if jasn asked me to give it away tomorrow i would and there wouldnt be any hard feelings at all, because i know he pretty much feels the same way about this place and its members that i do.
that being said, this place feels like an adopted child to me, someone like BE who is trying to push buttons and get a rise out of people to make himself feel big will never influence the way i conduct myself or influence the way i care for this site.
basically he can kiss my hairy white ass.


I think maybe B.E.'s concern is maybe a little more fear laced than anything else, and then felt a little poked after.

haha, BE's concern is that he isn't getting enough attention or he wants to cause shit to inflate his wrinkly ego.


We all know B.E. is a smart guy, and sometimes gets pissed, and pisses others off.

your certainly entitled to believe that if you want.


Im not defending any side here, just stating what my thoughts are, and being its of the general thought of it being fairly "free" here, I guess he can also say what he feels.

sure....no posts are being editied, or IP's logged, say anything you like within the already stated policy's of the site. ie no gratuitious pron or gore.
fuck man you can call me anything under the sun and it wont affect your status here in the slightest, which is why this latest round of whinging from BE is so fucking funny.

the only thing that pisses me off is that some people actually buy BE's holier than thou bullshit and pretence that his motives are purely altruistic.

i see them for what they really are.

[pack3tg0st]

hehe... I can't wait to hear about the 0.1% he really doesn't like :P

[Chorlton]

I dont really give a fuck

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Bitchkoma]

semen?

[mojo]

semen?

[attachment=0:2lppyx9o]semen.jpg[/attachment:2lppyx9o]

[mojo]

hehe... I can't wait to hear about the 0.1% he really doesn't like :P

the .1% are spammers or bots or socks.


I dont really give a fuck

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

neither could i most of the time mate, except when my friends integrity is under question, and then i'll stand the fuck up.

[lala]

O Dear . . . .suggestion . . . :)
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[mojo]

O Dear . . . .suggestion . . . :)
[attachment=0:3nytrphq]Complaint.jpg[/attachment:3nytrphq]

haha, that looks like one of those vibrating eggs i stuck up my ass last week.



(jim jeffries...my hero).

[Heike]

OMFG BK.. What the HELL is that in your avatar?

[Bitchkoma]

It skirts the boundaries of whatever rules we might have.

[pack3tg0st]

Chix with guns are fuckin' hot...

[Heike]

Chix with guns are fuckin' hot...

Really?

http://images.townnews.com/rapidcityjournal.com/content/articles/2008/01/08/news/local/doc4783b76797a82057584758_thumb.jpg

http://radio.weblogs.com/0127719/radioStationPictures/images/2004/02/03/granny%20gun.jpg

[Ducky]

Lmaooooooooooooooooo

:lol:

He'll re-think that defintion now eh Heike? Oh Jeese...

[Lexion]

[attachment=0:3ka54o6w]girls_with_guns_14.jpg[/attachment:3ka54o6w]

Much better.

Regards,
Lex

[Heike]

What do you mean, better? If she tries to get off a shot like that, she's either going to shoot her own foot or have the bullet ricochet off the ground and hit an innocent bystander. Geez.

What are you thinking??

Wait, never mind.. looking at THAT picture, you aren't thinking at all.

Men. :roll:

[Ducky]

Holy moly!

Look how fast we put this puppy to bed eh?


http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff284/CanuckyDucky/threadderailed.jpg

[Heike]

Well, it isn't like it was a SERIOUS thread to start with.

[Ducky]

Well, it isn't like it was a SERIOUS thread to start with.

You got that right.

Well mabey I should re-phrase this...

What started out to be a 'somewhat' serious concern (though I have my doubts with that) had turned out to be quite the fiasco.

It's one thing, to take 'said topic' to open-season grounds here in the threads (with the hopes of finding legit answers et al), but it's an entirely different episode, when the same individual starts going on goddam tangents and bringing up other shit that has absolutely NOTHING to do with what they brought up.

When it gets to that stage, and they start pulling straws to try to gain headway in the subject, there's DEFINATELY something wrong at that point.

I saw a very smart individual go off the fucking deep end in here. And because this person couldn't get their way, they resorted to PETTY CHILDLIKE behaviors, in order to gain some sort of 'I don't know what the fuck', and then stomped off because it was a bit too much for them.

This very same person (who in the beginning of signing up) decried about Freedom of Speech, but totally did a flip-flp in the last while. I saw so much arse-kissing and double-speak, coupled with silent inuendos and fucking putrid on the side comments akin to "atta boy's" that made me sick.

Like a for-lorned, ousted, goddamn chimpanzee vieing for favor, and scratching the ticks out of the newcomers, in order to gain favor with the rest of the group.

That's what I saw.
*********************

I agree with Mojo. Not because I'm kissing ass. Fuck that. Mojo knows where he and I stand, and I'm my own person. I respect his position (pretty sure he respects mine!), and know that he's not going to fuck me up the ass in any way shape or form, that's contrary to who and what I am on this forum or anywhere. The Trust factor. Gotta luv it.

[hp]

Not a serious thread. That's an opinion, yours. One person's serious might be anothers trash.

I really see the point you (two) are making with that statement but Ducky's point of the flip flop shows me that it is a serious thread. That's what I saw in it also an said it my own way. We are seeing an interesting part of someone's thinking in this thread.

But then in the big picture of things...see previous two posts.

[pack3tg0st]

Ducky:

Hope you don't mean me in any of your poast... If ya did, perhaps I should explain myself lol

[Ducky]

Not a serious thread. That's an opinion, yours. One person's serious might be anothers trash.

I really see the point you (two) are making with that statement but Ducky's point of the flip flop shows me that it is a serious thread. That's what I saw in it also an said it my own way. We are seeing an interesting part of someone's thinking in this thread.

But then in the big picture of things...see previous two posts.

HP? Don't get me wrong here or anything.

I give credit when it's due. Period.

I'll say for BE's credit, that he is a smart man, has a 1/2 decent sense of humor, and brings to the boards - topics that us folks wouldn't normally see or bring up.

But then, so do the rest of us.

Yet, decrying 'FOUL' at every turn when he doesn't get his way, is synonamous with a beligerent and obstinent toddler that wants that chocolate bar in the checkout isles.
*********************
To change up on the subject here...

I really hope that Chorl decides to come back.

To me, he was an 'in your face' person (tell it like it is...but proper), and he had quite a few ounces of couth.

I guess that means much to me (as well as other members?), that we can have serious discussions in here without totally fucking demeaning the next poor soul who comes to add their 2 cents.

Humor is humor, and there's much to be said for over-bearing hubris.

[Ducky]

Ducky:

Hope you don't mean me in any of your poast... If ya did, perhaps I should explain myself lol

No babes...

I would have the decency of telling you RIGHT TO YOUR FACE in here.

No worries.

[pack3tg0st]

hehe cool!

yah, this thread is the closest I've come to losing it in a while... Just drives me nuts when people argue about things they don't understand lol

actually... scratch that... the Deaman McD's thread... that one was brutal...

[Ducky]

hehe cool!

yah, this thread is the closest I've come to losing it in a while... Just drives me nuts when people argue about things they don't understand lol

actually... scratch that... the Deaman McD's thread... that one was brutal...

BTW? What happened to your avvy?

It's not showing up at my end.

[guinnessford]

Ok, I will take note of everyones thoughts and feelings here.

Youve all known each other longer than I have, so you know B.E. better than I do.

Sure, I was prolly wrong, and I want to reiterate that I wasnt trying to stick up for any side at all.

The thought just popped in my head that maybe it was innoculous, the op, but again, was probably wrong.

Kinda figured he's like me, and sometimes if I ask a question, not being malicious and catch a smack, ill change my tune, but Ill take your word for it.

Yeah the .01% is bots, and the trolls that visit from across the way.... still hold alotta contempt for them fuckers!

[Lexion]

Some decent porn from those
bots.

To quote a famous cartoon :

v]wSEeKHEC_uAv]

[pack3tg0st]

Hrm... I dunno... I didn't know it wasn't around anymore lol It still shows up on mine... but perhaps that temp internet files...

I might have to re-upload it eh?

[hp]

pack, I see your avy

[guinnessford]

I see it too

[mojo]

wasnt having a go at you gf, merely at the position that BE takes to suit his own agenda, one day he's all over us for wanting to put a couple of rules in for 2 new forums, (research and debate) and the next day wanting to implement rules to stop us from doing our job and keeping the board in a useable condition for everyone to be able to enjoy the site without nike spam ads, chinese crack whore pron or ats socks.
bloody ridiculous the whole thing IMO, but youyr certainly entitled to believe otherwise.
at least you dont go running off with your skirt up around your ears.

a couple of old dudes around here need to grow the fuck up and borrow some balls.

fuck ive sent emails to just about everyone here, including BE, he has my IP if he wants it.

[guinnessford]

I know you werent goin at me, but youre prolly not used to people changing their minds, and admitting they may be wrong, either.

Like i said, you know him better than me.

Ive been wrong before, and prolly now too!