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Watcher-In-The-Shadows
05-13-2009, 06:01 PM
Interesting. Enjoy.

She's still a pin-up after 35,000 years
Exaggerated Venus-like figurine found in cave in Germany
[offsite=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30727293/:6ehc61gd]By Jennifer Viegas

updated 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
An ivory figurine with prominent breasts and buttocks and other exaggerated sexual characteristics is the world's oldest known depiction of a woman, and likely that of any human being, according to research published in this week's issue of the journal Nature.

Named the Venus of Hohle Fels after the cave in southwestern Germany where it was recently excavated, the object dates to at least 35,000 to 40,000 years ago, based on more than 30 radiocarbon measurements conducted at the site.

Although tiny — just over 2 inches long — the intentionally headless figurine is remarkably detailed, with pronounced genitalia visible between open legs.

"As one male colleague remarked, nothing has changed in 40,000 years," Nicholas Conard, who reported the find and led the project, told Discovery News. "It is the oldest example of figurative art in any class, making it all the more surprising that the figurine presents such a powerful, sexually aggressive image," added Conard, a paleoanthropologist at the University of Tubingen.

Conard and his team recovered the artifact in six pieces at the cave site, where the scientists had previously found miniature statues of a horse, diving waterfowl and a human-like lion with male sexual features. The bones of various animals, including cave bears, deer, rhinos and horses, were also excavated.

The scientists attribute all of these finds, including the ancient Venus, to one of the earliest human populations in Europe — the Aurignacian culture — suggesting that figurative art is a European phenomenon that arose before Neanderthals went extinct, when modern humans may have been evolving more complex linguistic, representational skills.

Conard said there are striking similarities between the Hohle Fels figurine and other "Venuses" that appeared 5,000 years later in the Gravettian period, so there may have been a shared cultural tradition.

"All place an emphasis on sexual attributes and lack emphasis on the legs, arms, face and head, made all the more noticeable in this case because a carefully carved, polished ring — suggesting that the figurine was once suspended as a pendant — exists in place of a head," he said.

The carver, who painstakingly shaped the object out of a mammoth tusk, included fingers on the hands and even a navel. Deeply incised horizontal lines, which Conard thinks might have represented clothing or straps, were cut over the bulging abdomen.

Paul Mellars, a University of Cambridge archaeologist who is currently at Stony Brook University's Turkana Basin Institute, wrote a commentary about the Venus that appears in the same issue of Nature.

Mellars told Discovery News that he fully agrees with Conard's analysis of the object, which he described as "remarkable" and "an archaeological discovery of considerable significance."
"It's at least as old as the world's oldest cave art," Mellars said, adding that viewers "can't avoid being struck by its very sexually explicit depiction of a woman. The breasts really jump out at you."

"I assume it was a guy who carved it, perhaps representing his girlfriend," he added. "Paleolithic Playboy? We just don't know how it was used at this point, but the object's size meant it fit well in someone's hand."

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Lexion
05-13-2009, 06:02 PM
Sketch, or it didn't happen.

Watcher-In-The-Shadows
05-13-2009, 06:03 PM
Do I look like Lear?
:lol:
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Looks almost like a chicken to me.

lala
05-13-2009, 06:19 PM
Cool find there amazing looking things. . . make one wonder if women were thought of as gods.. . . . :mrgreen:

Watcher-In-The-Shadows
05-13-2009, 06:31 PM
Wouldn't that make them goddesses?
:lol:

In all honesty my thoughts it was most likely a fertility thing.
They said they think it was worn as a medalian err whatever.

lala
05-13-2009, 07:01 PM
I put that up for as bite :) . . . . Years ago I remember being given a small craved frog made out of stone that was ment to be a fertility symbol. . . . .I never wore it though it would turn me into a mass breeder. . . . lol :)

theeindiee
05-13-2009, 07:03 PM
Nice boobs!

Watcher-In-The-Shadows
05-13-2009, 07:04 PM
We don't need little Kiwis!!!!
hehehe
Just playing.

lala
05-13-2009, 08:34 PM
We don't need little Kiwis!!!!
hehehe
Just playing.

Funny you should say that, my kids were born in austrailia. . . . so they are aussie. . . . .and very proud to be. . . . I'm only first generation kiwi as both my parents are pom's . . . :)

pack3tg0st
05-13-2009, 08:38 PM
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Mom?

Lexion
05-13-2009, 08:39 PM
Look at those lips !!!


Lex

Cogburn
05-13-2009, 10:47 PM
Makes me think about who carved that.

This was a leisure time activity as it was not a functional item.

This was not the first time this person worked with ivory as the article mentions a pretty sizable collection of other figures found at the site.

Was this a hunter occupying down-time or a commercial artisan?

The article mentions the horizontal lines as a representation of clothing. Crafted clothes 35,000 years ago? That's quite the departure from the common depiction of paleolithic man rooting around in the mud wearing a bearskin.

Remember the Golden Rule of Archeology: finding ONE means that only one was preserved, it doesn't mean it was the only one that existed.

According to Wikipedia the Aurignacian lasted for six thousand years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurignacian

If you start counting at Jesus, our civilization is 1/3 the age of theirs at this time. If you start counting when the Pyramids were built, we are currently as old as they were when their civilization disappeared.

The history you were taught in school is not reality.

pack3tg0st
05-13-2009, 10:50 PM
Makes me think about who carved that.

Thats why I love history... When I see historical buildings or artifacts, and learn the history I feel a connection... and my overactive imagination can piece together a lot of information and form a vivid picture in my mind...


The history you were taught in school is not reality.

Smite

Lexion
05-13-2009, 11:34 PM
This was a leisure time activity as it was not a functional item.

Leisure Time (http://www.netvids.co.uk/adult-movie-studio/71.htm)

Warning, it's porn.

Regards,
Lex

Bitchkoma
05-13-2009, 11:46 PM
The article mentions the horizontal lines as a representation of clothing. Crafted clothes 35,000 years ago? That's quite the departure from the common depiction of paleolithic man rooting around in the mud wearing a bearskin.


I have no proof for it, but it is my believe that all of this has happened before, and it will happen again. In other words, we probably reached civilization tens and thousands of years ago, but kept falling. I'm thinking the last big fall was 75,000 years ago, probably not really our fault back then.

Foxtrot Oscar
05-13-2009, 11:50 PM
I reckon it was one of BK's relatives...

It could easily be a naked penguin.

Fox

Cogburn
05-14-2009, 03:03 AM
The article mentions the horizontal lines as a representation of clothing. Crafted clothes 35,000 years ago? That's quite the departure from the common depiction of paleolithic man rooting around in the mud wearing a bearskin.


I have no proof for it, but it is my believe that all of this has happened before, and it will happen again. In other words, we probably reached civilization tens and thousands of years ago, but kept falling. I'm thinking the last big fall was 75,000 years ago, probably not really our fault back then.
No spam from the Hybrid Twitter feed this time?

Bitchkoma
05-14-2009, 03:22 AM
Eh, hybrids long dead by 75K BC. Toba disapproves.