PSYCHOlogy

[JiveTurkey]

Am I the only one that views modern psychology as a fucking plague upon the human race??


What exactly has contributed to us as a society? Other than providing convenient excuses for those who are incapable of accepting responsibility for their own actions, fuck ups and decisions that have lead them to their present position in life.

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against "talk therapy" (for lack of a better name). I feel that discussing one's problems and actually confronting them can be a great thing and it's not something that is always easily done with someone you are close to.

However, this whole philosophy of 'take this pill' and "your father didn't show you enough attention and that's why you have slept with half of St. Louis and you are addicted to methamphetamine" is fucking disgusting. What exactly does this shit accomplish other than letting people believe that they aren't solely responsible for their own actions????

Most of us already have a natural desire to lay our faults off on others, do we really need a "doctor" to help us feel okay about doing so???

Would we not be much better off if we learned to accept our fuck ups as our own and use this acceptance to prevent us from making the same mistakes over and over and over again?

Perhaps I am wrong, but it seems to me that most modern psychology practices are almost totally counterproductive to us as a society.

How can we ever hope to grow and learn if we are encouraged to pass the blame off on everyone but ourselves and/or keep eating happy pills like candy until we simply do not give a shit anymore???


Of course, I know this isn't always the case. As in all situations, I know there are psychologists out there who don't fit this mold. However, I happen to feel that these doctors are definitely the exception more than the rule.

As a whole, I cannot see a good outcome from this current antidepressants and more therapy craze. If anything, it seems more of a temporary solution with harmful long term consequences.


J

[Foxtrot Oscar]

I don't know one person over here or back home (Jolly old England) that has had ongoing therapy, never knew anyone on antis either... Although my mates mum could have used some, cos she was barking mad howling at the moon crazy as a loon.

I thing it really is partly to do with the lack of support systems people have these days, everyone is just to busy with their own shit to give a crap about yours!

Also it dose seem to be a mainly American thing. Not that Big Farmer has your country by the balls or anything, much!

So come on Jasn you closet queen, wass up? Tell uncle Fox all about it, here come and sit on my finger, errr I mean lap!

Fox

[JiveTurkey]

I don't know one person over here or back home (Jolly old England) that has had ongoing therapy, never knew anyone on antis either... Although my mates mum could have used some, cos she was barking mad howling at the moon crazy as a loon.

I thing it really is partly to do with the lack of support systems people have these days, everyone is just to busy with their own shit to give a crap about yours!

Also it dose seem to be a mainly American thing. Not that Big Farmer has your country by the balls or anything, much!

So come on Jasn you closet queen, wass up? Tell uncle Fox all about it, here come and sit on my finger, errr I mean lap!

Fox


I'm guessing it's mainly an American thing as well. Citizens of other countries still seem to have a bit of a backbone to them.



I have already told you fucker........the flattery and sexual innuendos don't work. I just don't swing that way.

Sorry whore.

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

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[anarch]

GOD DAMN JASN CONSPIRACY BUMP!!!!

[Infinite`Eternal`Forever]

Psychology's ill.

[theeindiee]

You slept with half of St. Louis? The Illinois half or the Missouri half?

[theeindiee]

Actually, I do agree with you. I'm pursuing an associate's of science and probably higher, in psychology... simply because if anyone's gunna revolutionize psychology and turn it into a legitimate field of study... it should be someone who's batshit insane.

[anarch]

Psychology started of great but here in the last 50 years or so things went very wrong. The study of human behavior has been given a back seat to the study of human manipulation.

I see people buying pills for disease that don't exist. It may sound bat shit insane but if you know the protocols that go into voting a disease or disorder into existence you might understand.

If a person is an asshole well then he is no longer an asshole but BI-polar and he needs these pills. IS your child bored? NO hes not bored he's ADHD and he needs these pills. And so the list goes on and on, Last time I checked Believing in conspiracies was on the fast track to being a psychological disorder, no doubt we'll have a pill for it in the next year or two.

And when the industry is not trying to push a pill its testing the limits on social manipulation.......

What started as just the act of paying attention to some on to see what would happen has mutated into an industry of mental manipulation for profit...what ever happened to helping Anna O?

[Infinite`Eternal`Forever]

Psychology started of great but here in the last 50 years or so things went very wrong. The study of human behavior has been given a back seat to the study of human manipulation.

I see people buying pills for disease that don't exist. It may sound bat shit insane but if you know the protocols that go into voting a disease or disorder into existence you might understand.

If a person is an asshole well then he is no longer an asshole but BI-polar and he needs these pills. IS your child bored? NO hes not bored he's ADHD and he needs these pills. And so the list goes on and on, Last time I checked Believing in conspiracies was on the fast track to being a psychological disorder, no doubt we'll have a pill for it in the next year or two.

And when the industry is not trying to push a pill its testing the limits on social manipulation.......

What started as just the act of paying attention to some on to see what would happen has mutated into an industry of mental manipulation for profit...what ever happened to helping Anna O?

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CO. FUCKING. SIGN.

[Cogburn]

Psychology started of great but here in the last 50 years or so things went very wrong. The study of human behavior has been given a back seat to the study of human manipulation.

I see people buying pills for disease that don't exist. It may sound bat shit insane but if you know the protocols that go into voting a disease or disorder into existence you might understand.

If a person is an asshole well then he is no longer an asshole but BI-polar and he needs these pills. IS your child bored? NO hes not bored he's ADHD and he needs these pills. And so the list goes on and on, Last time I checked Believing in conspiracies was on the fast track to being a psychological disorder, no doubt we'll have a pill for it in the next year or two.

And when the industry is not trying to push a pill its testing the limits on social manipulation.......

What started as just the act of paying attention to some on to see what would happen has mutated into an industry of mental manipulation for profit...what ever happened to helping Anna O?

You make the same mistake Jasn makes in his OP.

The problem isn't psychology, the problem being discussed is with psychoanalysis and psychiatry.

[anarch]

The problem isn't psychology, the problem being discussed is with psychoanalysis and psychiatry.

Says the new psychologist grad.

News flash for you. The problem is. Does it matter who we blame? Shall we spend time point fingers avoiding the issue or just grow up and accept the fact that their is an issue. A problem.

The problem being shrinks prescribing pills for bogus disorders and other fun loving mental manipulators joining factions with in the media to engage in social control.

[Cogburn]

Says the new psychologist grad.

News flash for you. The problem is. Does it matter who we blame? Shall we spend time point fingers avoiding the issue or just grow up and accept the fact that their is an issue. A problem.

The problem being shrinks prescribing pills for bogus disorders and other fun loving mental manipulators joining factions with in the media to engage in social control.
It is the pairing with psychology and medicine that is at issue here, especially given everyone keeps mentioning pill popping.

Psychology is morally neutral, as are all sciences. Psychotherapy, psychoanalysis and psychiatry are the active, medical implementations of psychology that you have a problem with. For my part, I consider psychoanalysts and psychiatrists something akin to witchdoctors. Clinical psychology (psychotherapy) typically involves no medicine, simply the application of the methods of psychology to the example of the individual to determine the cause of stress.

Yes, it always matters that you blame the right people.

[anarch]

Yes, it always matters that you blame the right people.

I blame you.

[eris]

There was a interesting piece on NPR about the effects of American Psychology being exported to other countries. From what I remember, it focused on the fact that American culture heavily influences the study of disorders, and instead of helping people in other cultures, it can make them sicker because it introduces ideas not grounded in the culture itself.

Here's a link to the interview: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=122490928&ft=1&f=5

[Cogburn]

I blame you.

So does that bitch above me.

[anarch]

HA!!!

[Royal]

Modern psychology is able to define what kind of fuck up you are...

[Oblivion]

You make the same mistake Jasn makes in his OP.

The problem isn't psychology, the problem being discussed is with psychoanalysis and psychiatry.


i have to agree here.

psychiatry is more about drugs.

psychology is more about helping people understand their responses or behaviours, and how to help them overcome it.

a gym instructor is there for your physical well being + physical training.
a psychologist is there to help you with mental training and well being. not everyone was born with ballz of steel.

ive known a few who suffered depression for one reason or another (generally excess stress from work) and were helped through the tough times by a psychologist.

i thought they were bullshit too until i seen the end result and how my mates were helped

[mojo]

Believing in conspiracies was on the fast track to being a psychological disorder, no doubt we'll have a pill for it in the next year or two.



we already do. mdma. :)

[Gunter]

we already do. mdma. :)
The problem in a nutshell? One guy's sanity is another guy's psychosis. Psychological pathology has always been and always will be a measure of deviation from the 'norm.' But in fact conformity to 'accepted' paradigm is a pathology in itself. That's the very reason that, during Soviet times, anyone who rejected Marxist altruism was confined to a mental institution. Who were the inmates and who were the keepers? The cure was always the same: coerced acceptance of the prevailing Borg. As in all things- look for the log in your eye.

[mojo]

that aint a log its a forest.

[GeneralStriker]

hahahaha yep. And the forest is the pseudo-science of Psychology. That 'science' is all about Brave New World solutions. Soma. But as the Savage is wont to say, "Resistance is not futile." Thanks to our dear leader for broaching this subject.
Perhaps I am wrong, but it seems to me that most modern psychology practices are almost totally counterproductive to us as a society.

How can we ever hope to grow and learn if we are encouraged to pass the blame off on everyone but ourselves and/or keep eating happy pills like candy until we simply do not give a shit anymore???

[Infinite`Eternal`Forever]

There was a interesting piece on NPR about the effects of American Psychology being exported to other countries. From what I remember, it focused on the fact that American culture heavily influences the study of disorders, and instead of helping people in other cultures, it can make them sicker because it introduces ideas not grounded in the culture itself.

Here's a link to the interview: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=122490928&ft=1&f=5

Whoa..she actually posted something. It lives, it lives!!!11!!!!1!

[theeindiee]

Well death can cure all, so no worries.

[Infinite`Eternal`Forever]

All I have to say is that cognitive psychology is underrated. Psychoanalysis, the theory, and practice is getting played out, and has bordered on gimmicky.

[Cogburn]

It's not underrated so much as underestimated as to the power it wields in modern society. Those that decry the science of psychology require it for their favorite petri dish conspiracies to operate.

Psychoanalysis is pure nonsense. Earlier in the thread I compared it to witch doctors, however that insults witch doctors more than psychoanalysts.

Psychoanalysis has about as much factual basis as Harry Potter.

[Infinite`Eternal`Forever]

Psychoanalysis is pure nonsense.

Ehhh despite my previous comment there ARE some things I like about it. I'd say what's pure nonsense though is that wack ass libido theory. Lame.

[Cogburn]

Given that is the entire core of Freudian psychoanalysis, that puts the whole shittin' deal in the "wack ass" category.

Psychoanalysis is the worst voo doo because it has such a high degree of acceptance. Anna Freud really did the most to push psychoanalysis as a true science, much more than Sigmund ever did.

Every single attempt to validate psychoanalysis has failed. All of them. It's influence is being removed from the DSM this year, with whole new reclassifications of behaviors that have nothing to do with some ephemeral vision of "normal".

Psychoanalysis is little else but Scientology without evil Lord Xenu.

[theeindiee]

Psycho Bitches

[WhispersInTheDark]

Soma is a cross between prozac and respiradone.

There is good science and bad science. There is no value free science. Advertising, propaganda, mispractice of psychiatry or clinical psychology - bad science. Building database about the human brain and human behaviour - good science.

WITD - no science, just fraud. Watch the amigo dickheads. ;)

[GeneralStriker]

"..there is always soma, delicious soma, half a gramme for a half-holiday, a gramme for a week-end, two grammes for a trip to the gorgeous East, ...Aldous Huxley, Brave New World, 1932. Read it. There's nothing new under the sun.

[GeneralStriker]

Given that is the entire core of Freudian psychoanalysis, that puts the whole shittin' deal in the "wack ass" category.

Psychoanalysis is the worst voo doo because it has such a high degree of acceptance. Anna Freud really did the most to push psychoanalysis as a true science, much more than Sigmund ever did.

Every single attempt to validate psychoanalysis has failed. All of them. It's influence is being removed from the DSM this year, with whole new reclassifications of behaviors that have nothing to do with some ephemeral vision of "normal".

Psychoanalysis is little else but Scientology without evil Lord Xenu.
The chubby Mason smiles knowingly and he chuckles, eyes atwinkled- as he lights his pipe, farts silently and prepares to pontificate... . "Psychoanalysis is little else but Scientology without evil Lord Xenu," says he through a confidence of bluish smoke...

[skunk]

Aw, that's a nice way of saying you agree with him. Aren't they cute?

[GeneralStriker]

...and that's a nice way of demonstrating that cracker high-schoolers can't read.

[skunk]

...and that's a nice way of demonstrating that cracker high-schoolers can't read.

Now you hate white people? Good for you!

[GeneralStriker]

well yeah- i've always been suspect of white people.

[skunk]

Have you looked in the mirror lately? I suppose the self-hate would explain quite a bit.

[GeneralStriker]

sure i have. i'm a mud and proud of it.