My brief highly speculative prediction of the near-future.

[apeci]

Obama selects Clinton as VP. Obama provides the public persuasion while Clinton provides the political clout.

Bush bombs nuclear targets in Iran.

Iran bombs Allied installations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Ground invasion of Iran begins. Tehran falls in less than a month. Occupation proceeds.

Angered by Bush's continued imperialism, the public elects Obama/Clinton.

To encourage cooperation with US foreign policy, Obama/Clinton mirror EU legislation. National carbon tax imposed. National healthcare imposed.

Restructuring of Middle East commences with UN support followed by steady withdrawal of US troops.

Several Supreme Court Justices are progressively replaced with Obama/Clinton confederates.

DC handgun ban is again appealed (I expect the current bad to be overturned). Court declares ban constitutional.

Obama/Clinton, utilizing the many new powers made available to the Executive by Bush Jr., institute wide ranging initiatives to reduce state sovereignty and impose even more Federal mandates.

National handgun ban passed into law. National semi-automatic rifle ban passed into law.

Montana, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine and possibly others secede.

National state of emergency declared.

The Federal Government successfully forces Montana back into the Union. New England remains sovereign (wishful thinking on my part).

Following the brief civil war the US Constitution is amended effectively nullifying the 10th Amendment and solidifying absolute Federal authority to force state cooperation with Federal mandate.

2012, John Ellis Bush is "elected" President.

The United States, Mexico, and Canada successfully form the North American Union. New England remains sovereign. (can you tell I plan on moving to New England?)

Anything beyond this would just be the crazed conspiratorial speculations of some guy on the Internet...

[the titan]

Anything beyond this would just be the crazed conspiratorial speculations of some guy on the Internet...



Good thing you stopped there! :lol:

[mojo]

You missed the bit where Obama is assassinated and Hillary takes over the reins.
It will be a lone gunmen, probably a muslim scapegoat unlike Oswald the communist scapegoat.

[Slim]

apeci

Allow me to make a suggestion. I grew up spending my summers in the Ogunquit/Kennebunkport area where the view off of the Marginal Way is superb!
But if you move to ME., just remember not to call pop, "pop"... it's "soda" (and milkshakes are frappes). Also brush up on your French.

Interesting predictions. Will comment later on some of them. Thanks for sharing!

[apeci]

New Hampshire, actually. The secessionist movement in Vermont and NH is steadily gaining momentum and I think there is sufficient sentiment in Maine to split with them if only for the sake of practicality.


You missed the bit where Obama is assassinated and Hillary takes over the reins.
It will be a lone gunmen, probably a muslim scapegoat unlike Oswald the communist scapegoat.
I do not think Obama is one of "them" so if he is to fall this would make sense.

[gunner]

apeci

Allow me to make a suggestion. I grew up spending my summers in the Ogunquit/Kennebunkport area where the view off of the Marginal Way is superb!
But if you move to ME., just remember not to call pop, "pop"... it's "soda" (and milkshakes are frappes). Also brush up on your French.

Interesting predictions. Will comment later on some of them. Thanks for sharing!

What the hell, out west it was soda, then back here in indiana it is pop. I must just be stuck right smack in the middle of the sea of tard out here. I call it soda and people look at me like I have a tit growing out of my forehead, which by the way would be pretty cool.

[gunner]

Back on topic, I think something along those lines is going to happen, if you pay attention, you can kind of see it coming. I think we are just going to keep going back and forth from one mess to the other, all the while some slick politician will keep telling us the same thing and we will keep falling for it.

I dont think the handgun ban will happen, I honestly think we are teetering on the straw that is going to break the camels back, just waiting for the right thing to make it happen. Further gun control is one of those things that people might not put up with, but then again if american idol is really good they might.

[Slim]

What's really funny is in that part of ME, they stuff like "Let's go out and "potty" -- in other words, "party" sounds like like "potty" because of the accent in that state. I always got a kick out of that one. lol.

Sorry -- will get back on topic.

[apeci]

I dont think the handgun ban will happen, I honestly think we are teetering on the straw that is going to break the camels back, just waiting for the right thing to make it happen. Further gun control is one of those things that people might not put up with, but then again if american idol is really good they might.
I'm really just taking what I'm fairly certain are some of the "their" top goals and speculating on how they might reach them. Disarmament is without doubt a very high priority. In order to legally bring about the NAU the states must be in compliance as the Constitution has to be abandoned. As they are unlikely to agree of their own free will, the choice must be made for them. The only way to do this would be through the elimination of the 10th Amendment and further amendment to the Constitution. The last time such a extensive step was taken to strip the states of their sovereignty was after the American Civil War, so I believe another civil war is required to convince the People to permit the desired steps. Since the right to bear arms is such a sensitive issue among free men, the federal denial of such a right would be the perfect catalyst to trigger a war. After the war is concluded and federal authority is made absolute, the consent of the states will no longer be needed and the NAU can move forward.

[Slim]

Obama selects Clinton as VP. Obama provides the public persuasion while Clinton provides the political clout.
I can't see that Obama really has much of a choice in this matter though it's abundantly clear that he's not happy about it.


Bush bombs nuclear targets in Iran.
I can't see this happening at all because if he did that, McCain wouldn't even have a prayer at winning the election.



Angered by Bush's continued imperialism, the public elects Obama/Clinton.
Obama's already on the slate to win this election. No question about that regardless that the media is clearly on the side of McCain. duh


To encourage cooperation with US foreign policy, Obama/Clinton mirror EU legislation. National carbon tax imposed. National healthcare imposed.
Unless the economy falters significantly from where it is now where the middle class becomes even more under-insured than where they are now, the National healthcare proposition will NOT move forward because most Americans don't give a hoot about the minority who are uninsured.


Restructuring of Middle East commences with UN support followed by steady withdrawal of US troops.
The UN is a joke.


Several Supreme Court Justices are progressively replaced with Obama/Clinton confederates.
Yep.


DC handgun ban is again appealed (I expect the current bad to be overturned). Court declares ban constitutional.
This will NEVER happen. PS -- just read you most recent post on this... need to think about this one. Good points!

[apeci]

I can't see this happening at all because if he did that, McCain wouldn't even have a prayer at winning the election.
I believe that would be the point. The next moves will require a socialist administration.


Unless the economy falters significantly from where it is now where the middle class becomes even more under-insured than where they are now, the National healthcare proposition will NOT move forward because most Americans don't give a hoot about the minority who are uninsured.
Although the war on the middle class is taking its toll and inflation, over regulation, and the growth of corporacratic cartels is making care and insurance costs prohibitive for an increasing number of Americans, in the end this may not even matter. It would simply be a political maneuver to solicit empathy from other nations, particularly those of Europe, to garner support for ME restructuring efforts. However I do think nationalized healthcare is another priority on its own as a matter of control.


The UN is a joke.
It could just be Britain or someone else. Some force, likely European, would be needed to take over the majority role of management in restructuring to permit the return of US forces where they will be needed for the coming events.

[Slim]

apeci
Ok, let me think about what you are saying. I'm just your avg. Am. who is more informed than most because most American's don't keep up on national issues nor do they even know the name of their congressman or woman who's representing their district. I know this because I've campaigned for those who are running for such positions including those running as state reps or senators for the state I live in. In fact, as shocking as this may sound, most people out there do not even know the name of the mayor of their own town!! I'm not kidding but it's true!

But here's what I'm trying to say here. Things are really super messed up now not only on a national level but also world wide. Things need to be done now on an immediate level to buffer the damage and the repercussions of this administrations fuck-ups before we can even start to erase the board and start off with a clean slate whereby implementing some sound policies to make sure that what's going on now, will never happen again. Sure, I'm speaking in general terms here but I'm convinced, at this point, we don't even have a clue in terms of how bad things really are -- and this is very frightening for people like me who at least have had the courage to delve a little deeper for information out there that's on the net yet, as a result of this, are finding themselves in a total state of panic.

I'm the mother of a 21 yr. old son and quite frankly, as a mother, if you can imagine, I'm scared to death that the draft will be re-instated again. And I'm telling you right now, there's no way in hell I'm going to allow my son to be drafted for a war that Bush started.. no way. Sorry for my rambling but I hope you understand my concerns about these issues...

[1972]

Nothing that you have stated is that far from what could happen.
Well except for two things; at least from my point of view.

1:) Hand gun ban? Yeah, umm, they may TRY to do that at some point but it will never happen.
EVER. By never happen, I mean, if they try to enforce it, well, lets just say that Mose would be jealous from all of our rivers being turned to blood.

2.) There would be a shit load more states leaving the union than just the few that you listed.
I think that most of the original 13 would be a given. Well, Jersey can stay but the rest, yeah, I am almost positive that the north east and a lot of the south would at least attempt something. We also need to include Texas and a lot of the mid-west. I think that there are more guns in citizens hands than in the Feds.

Then again, this is all speculation on my part. Though, I won't be handing over anything, unless it is a spent cartridge.

[apeci]

We can at least count on a renewed national "assault rifle" ban which I expect will be expanded to include all semi-automatic rifles regardless of appearance. They may not take it as far as a national handgun ban, but I don't doubt the eventual upholding of the DC ban. With that precedent set the 2nd Amendment would be effectively dead. I doubt Montana would be alone in their threats of secession should this come about. But Obama and Clinton both support an outright ban. "Keeping handguns out of the hands of criminals" they say. Is it even possible? Probably not. But it wouldn't be the first impossible venture the Federal Government embarked upon, now would it?



apeci
Sorry for my rambling but I hope you understand my concerns about these issues...
Of course. This is just a general conspiracy theory. Simply my first contribution to the board. One would have to be a supporter of these events to not be concerned about their possibility. However I think it is a mistake to lay this all on Bush. I believe this has been in the queue for some time now. The restructuring of the Middle East was inevitable so long as the oil kept flowing. The securing of resources is one of the most common motivations for conquest throughout all of human history. Whether through hegemony or empire, the expansion of influence requires resources. And as is likewise reflected in history, the spread of tyranny can always be counted on whenever a few are allowed an excess of power. The Constitution was a good idea, but unfortunately it has failed to prevent the not uncommon deterioration of a republic.

[1972]

Our form of gorvernment wasn't intended to be permenant.
It is this living organism that keeps evolving and growing.
But we have let it get outside of the petri dish. WE, the so-called people.
Screw the branches of government. We were to be the checks and balances.
Complacent and apathetic; we care little for the goings on in our country, let alone the world.
When in fact we should care a lot about both.

Swin to the other side or do we get eaten by the sharks?
I am no prognosticator.

[vckums]

Dammit, none of you predicted I'd win the lotto. You suck.

On a serious note, I dont think the ban would happen. I'm with 1972, I am not gonna hand over anything I own.

[1972]

Dammit, none of you predicted I'd win the lotto. You suck.

On a serious note, I dont think the ban would happen. I'm with 1972, I am not gonna hand over anything I own.

Gives us your brownies!!!

[Foxtrot Oscar]

You haven't mentioned China at all in your view of the future, that would be a big mistake.

All the while you are bickering over your guns and invading (colonizing) the ME, China and India to some extent will be buying up your companies and relocating your jobs.

While America gets stupider the next generations of super powers are getting smarter and right now they're giving you an almighty economic rim job.

Forget the ME... The major concern will be the economy.

And they won't take your guns.

Fox

[vckums]

hey how'd you know I haz brownies. And we can't derail here. So move along.

[1972]

Take our company's and their greedy CEO's with them.
We can rebuild from the ashes.
Think it impossible?
That will only make me want it even more.
Economy's crumble and are born again.

It wouldn't be the first times.
And as for getting dumber, well, I can't argue there.
But that isn't 100% accurate either.
You can't make those sweeping generalizations Fox and then run away . . .

[Foxtrot Oscar]

Not running anywhere.

And... Yes I can and I just did.

Fox

[apeci]

If China takes Walmart China's economy will collapse. :D

I also didn't talk about Australia, but they weren't really my focus either. Any real issues with Asia are probably closer to a decade away whereas I wanted to keep my speculation more on the horizon.

Indeed a major concern is the economy. Therefore they want to get the Middle East wrapped up ASAP. But they're not finished yet. It may take a real war economy, something this country hasn't seen in over half a century, but if they think they can do it I have no doubt they will try. If the US leaves the region with Iran as the dominant power I will be very surprised. Maybe Israel takes them out. Maybe someone else. I just see their submission being too integral to ignore.

[Bitchkoma]

I don't think anything is gonna happen to Iran. Talk about something happening to Iran has been around since for as long as I can remember posting on CT forums.

And talk about doing something to Iran has been around since they first struck oil in the ME, and of all places, Iran. The world wars were because of this. Germany wanted to build a rail line to transport teh krude.

[Slim]

apeci

However I think it is a mistake to lay this all on Bush. I believe this has been in the queue for some time now. The restructuring of the Middle East was inevitable so long as the oil kept flowing. The securing of resources is one of the most common motivations for conquest throughout all of human history. Whether through hegemony or empire, the expansion of influence requires resources. And as is likewise reflected in history, the spread of tyranny can always be counted on whenever a few are allowed an excess of power. The Constitution was a good idea, but unfortunately it has failed to prevent the not uncommon deterioration of a republic.

But one cannot deny that Bush, moreso than any other administration has pursued the restructuring of the Middle East more aggressively than any other administration in office before that. And I cannot help but wonder if 9/11 would have even occurred if Gore instead of Bush had won the election. Of course, there's no way of knowing that for sure but it goes without saying that Bush's winning of that election certainly amped up the "urgency factor" for Bin Laden and company to attack America as soon as possible, if not sooner; of this we know for a fact.

But if Gore had won the election instead, we already know that he would have aggressively initiated programs for the search for alternative forms of energy. But in any case, we certainly would not have gone to war with Iraq had 9/11 occurred while he was in office where instead he would have focused all attention on capturing Bin Laden and searched for those terrorists cells located world-wide.

But let's go back to the root of the problem and that is America's addiction to fossil fuel's. It's like the way a smoker will not give up cigarettes even though the longer he smokes, the more damage he's doing to his body -- yet, he keeps on smoking because he wants to avoid those withdrawal symptoms at all costs; so he keeps on doing it all the way to the END.

It's the same kind of thing that's going on with America's addiction to fossil fuels. Because we are not willing to subject ourselves to those hardships (withdrawal symptoms) we would be facing without oil, we instead have chosen to die a slow death while, in the mean time, leaving a wake a dead bodies due to ongoing wars in the ME over the source of our addiction including the continuation of the pollution of our planet, Global Warming and the list goes on and on and on ... all the way to the END.

The insanity of it all! It's all about immediate gratification at the expense of ending the world as we know it just to maintain our current way of life -- not to mention the current status quo!

But I'm afraid nothing can be done about any of this until America bottom's out. In short, the day "our day of reckoning" arrives -- it will be too late. :(

[apeci]

Without doubt the attacks on September 11th would have happened no matter who was elected President in 2000. We are merely witnessing the unavoidable consequences of history. The only way to avoid the attacks would have been to not have allied with Saudi Arabia to defend Kuwait in the Iraqi invasion of 1991. As well as not installing permanent installations in Arabia subsequently. Or not having a hand in the formation of the State of Israel. Or even the British not invading to secure the oil flow during the second world war, permitting an expansion of US influence in the region. Bombings under Clinton, Contra, the list goes on. Just as the Left uses the changing climate as an excuse to force socialist reform, the Right uses terrorism as justification for fascist reform. Bush is simply the man for the job.

Roosevelt said war over oil in the Middle East was inevitable. A State Department memo under his administration referred to ME oil as "a stupendous source of strategic power, and one of the greatest material prizes in world history." Even if Gore, Science forbid, had won in 2000, this country would still be suckling at the tit of the Jawa. Nuclear energy is the only option to generate enough electricity to even begin to make a cost-effective conversion to electric vehicles as hydrogen requires a massive infrastructure that simply doesn't exist yet. Ethanol is purely political. Gore and his ilk are opposed to new fission reactors. As auto manufacturers today begin rolling out true EVs, expect electric prices to rise. Practical fusion requires helium-3. We're going back to the Moon to obtain some of this wonderful resource, but there's still a question of if technology will be ready for it. Don't even think about vacuum energy any time soon. Oil, I'm afraid, is going to be this country's lifeline for some time to come. My only concern is how many freedoms will they attempt to strip us of because of it.

[Slim]

Unfortunately it's a lifeline that leads directly to the end of the republic -- and perhaps even to the end of the habitability of our very own planet!

Anyway, from the information you've provided for us here, it sounds like, at the present time, Nuclear energy is the only feasible way out of this mess but strangely enough, there's not much being said about it by the PTB who are in support of this option. Why is that?

Is it because it would wreak havoc on the existing energy infrastructure that supports the current status quo? If this is so, are there those out there who have the resources and capabilities to start up a global campaign to educate the public on the feasibility of this option? An option that will not only curtail the rush for oil via wars but may also save our planet?

It would seem to me that "time is of the essence" on this very important issue yet I'm not even seeing any kind of ongoing public discussion that's trying to get such an information campaign off and running and into the minds of the general public!!

This is very unfortunate!

[apeci]

The only thing I can suggest is independent removal of ones self from the system. Personally, I walk to work. :)



I don't think anything is gonna happen to Iran. Talk about something happening to Iran has been around since for as long as I can remember posting on CT forums.

18 June 2008


Congressional approval before attacking Iran is no longer required (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9393)

Representative Ron Paul says House Speaker Nancy Pelosi removed a section from a bill passed by Congress which would have barred the U.S. from going to war with Iran without a congressional vote, claiming she did so at the behest of the leadership of Israel and AIPAC.

...

“She [Pelosi] removed it deliberately,” Paul says. “And then, the astounding thing is, when asked why, she said the leadership in Israel asked her to. That was in the newspaper, that was in 'The Washington Post,' that she was asked by AIPAC and others not to do that."
Probability is high that Iran will fall.

[Bitchkoma]

Fucking AIPAC. Why do you folks stand for that sort of thing? You're not a sovereign country so long as you take orders from another.

[Slim]

apeci,
Just some immediate thoughts that ran through my mind after reading your last post.

"If we can't make the sun stand still, then we shall make it run"!

It's sort of like being at the wheel of a car and when all of the sudden, seeing another car driving toward you where you find yourself at the brink of a head on collision - where instead of turning the wheel to drive off the road, you say "Oh, what the hell" and floor the gas pedal instead! BANG!

What the hell is going on around here? So the speaker of the house has the right to remove whatever sections of bills she wants to without any kind of public accountability at all???

Hey! Let's bring on Armageddon shall we?? It sure looks like we're going to war with Iran now... and sure, Iran will fall but not without the sacrifice of thousands and thousands of lives!

I need to research more on this!! Amazing information!

[mojo]

Anything beyond this would just be the crazed conspiratorial speculations of some guy on the Internet...

[Lexion]

Necro Bump....

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