The Kennedy Assassinations: A Clandestine Operation.

[mojo]

Was the Kennedy's assasination's a plot between the CIA, Nazi war criminals and high ranking US government officials.
Were John and Robert Kennedy preparing to out the Nazi war criminals that US governments since the end of WW2 had turned a blind eye to?

Here are the members of The Warren Commission (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Commission).

Earl Warren, Chief Justice of the United States; supported McCloy's internment plans, McCloy being a known Nazi sympathizer.

Richard Russell, Jr., U.S. Senator from Georgia; a rascist.

John Sherman Cooper, U.S. Senator from Kentucky;

Hale Boggs, U.S. Representative from Louisiana; Boggs mysteriously disappeared years after the Warren Commission, he was thought to be the only dissenting voice against the lone gunman theory.

Gerald R. Ford, U.S. Representative from Michigan;

Allen W. Dulles, former Director of the Central Intelligence Agency; Allen Dulles who helped many Nazi's escape prosecution at the end of the second world war, including Richard Gehlen. Also sacked by kennedy as the head of the CIA.

John J. McCloy, former President of the World Bank. McCloy pardoned many Nazi war criminals and some say was even paid off to have Flick and Krupp released, both Nazi Germany industrialists who used russian civilians as slave labour during the war.

Enough playmakers on the commission to make sure the correct verdict was made. By correct i mean, "correct" for the CIA and the political powerbrokers who had a hand in the operation.

Some more interesting coincidences between antagonists and Kennedy's:

Otto von Bolschwing and his protege Helene van Damm. Von Bolschwing was bought into the US by Allen Dulles and his protege Van Damm eventually worked on Reagans staff.
Von Bolschwing was used by both Nixon and the older Bush to create a voter bloc for republican elections, particularly Nixon who blamed the Jewish vote for his loss to Kennedy.
Kennedy had once stated "You know i was elected by the jews" to Ben-Gurion.

Melvin Belli, a noted lawyer who's clients included Sirhan Sirhan, (Robert Kennedy's executioner) and Errol Flynn a noted Nazi sympathiser.
Belli also represented Jack Ruby (for free).
Melvin Belli was also the attorney for Emmy Goering, second wife of Herman Goering.
Belli also was a friend of the gangster Mickey Cohen who has been linked to both Kennedy assassinations and was also a good friend of Jack Ruby.
Cohen also supposedly secretly taped film stars having sex, Lana Turner and Marilyn Monroe being two of them.

Bolschwing and Alois Brunner were both members of Adolf Eichmann's enclave. All of whom were CIA operatives after the war.
They had good reason to see both the Kennedy's dead.

In fact only back in 1991 Edward Kennedy was still trying to get Alois Brunner extradited. Brunner is still living in Syria by all reports, selling arms.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... 070391.pdf (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/OSS/eich070391.pdf)

Both Sirhan and Oswald were confirmed communists, who better to take the fall for both assassinations and further push the cause of the cold war against Russia.
The Gehlen Organization was set up in its infancy by Dulles to undermine communism.
Wouldn't assassinating both Kennedy's achieve more than years of anti communist propaganda could. The CIA and their Nazi operatives were concerned at the rise of communism and the possibility that they would soon be outed by JFK.
Once Nixon , Reagan, Bush etc were in power the Nazi's within the US, specifically the intelligence community could once again sleep safe in the knowledge that they would not be sold out.

Many will say, but wasn't Joseph Kennedy a known Nazi sympathizer, the answer to that is yes he was, that however would mean nothing to a group of men hell bent on controlling the most powerful country on Earth through political clout, and clandestine machinations.
The rule of fascism is now so well entrenched in US politics, Intelligence and Technology and Industry that within the next 10 years we will have seen the rise of the new Third Reich, The USA.


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References:

http://foia.fbi.gov/foiaindex/belli.htm

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB150/index.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_P._Kennedy,_Sr.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Ke ... assination (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy_assassination)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eichmann

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... nntoc.html (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/Eichmanntoc.html)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alois_Brunner

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/Joh ... icans.html (http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/JohnJudge/GoodAmericans.html)

http://www.archives.gov/research/holoca ... 226-1.html (http://www.archives.gov/research/holocaust/finding-aid/military/rg-226-1.html)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mickey_Cohen

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/GoD.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex-Nazis

This thread of mine has a lot more information on Allen Dulles and Richard Gehlen.

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1327 (http://amkon.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1327)


mojo

[Foxtrot Oscar]

Strange as it is, I was thinking about starting a thread on this myself although I would have gone with...

JFK. Who do you think did it?

Mine would have been an ADD version. I prefer yours BTW.

I think it would be quite fair to say that the Warren Commission was complete BS, much more damage limitation that anything else. A front for the sheep. Yes yes your gooberment takes this all very seriously and look we have all these fine upstanding gentlemen looking in to it all on your behalf.

Any thoughts on Jim Garrison (the dude Kevin Costner played in the film JFK). Did he really ever have any substantial evidence or was it all just a lot of guess work?

Did the MOB, Gov manage to stay one step ahead of him?

The film points towards Vietnam being part of the reason, but Mr. Garrison himself was involved in the making of the film. I can't help but be skeptical of someone who uses the truth to make money.

Was the continuation of the Vietnam war enough to have JFK shot for, or is this just another mirror that deflects a certain amount of the truth?

Fox

[mojo]

Strange as it is, I was thinking about starting a thread on this myself although I would have gone with...

JFK. Who do you think did it?

Mine would have been an ADD version. I prefer yours BTW.

I think it would be quite fair to say that the Warren Commission was complete BS, much more damage limitation that anything else. A front for the sheep. Yes yes your gooberment takes this all very seriously and look we have all these fine upstanding gentlemen looking in to it all on your behalf.

Any thoughts on Jim Garrison (the dude Kevin Costner played in the film JFK). Did he really ever have any substantial evidence or was it all just a lot of guess work?

Did the MOB, Gov manage to stay one step ahead of him?

The film points towards Vietnam being part of the reason, but Mr. Garrison himself was involved in the making of the film. I can't help but be skeptical of someone who uses the truth to make money.

Was the continuation of the Vietnam war enough to have JFK shot for, or is this just another mirror that deflects a certain amount of the truth?

Fox

Personally im nearly 100% certain that there was some involvement by the CIA, or specifically Allen Dulles.
I might look into the Vietnam angle, there is bound to be some CIA/Nazi operatives involved in that conflict, it could well be that there were numerous reasons for them getting rid of both the Kennedy's.
He (jfk) managed to piss off a whole lot of people in the 18 months leading up to his assassination.

i'll check out what i can find on Garrison.
if your really interested in this stuff i highly reccomend sifting through some of the foia files, especially the NSA archives and the FBI files.
i don't trust much of what the CIA released under foia, they would have lost or destroyed most of the juicy stuff i reckon.

[JiveTurkey]

Personally, I believe LBJ and his oil buddies were the most to blame for Kennedy's assassination.

LBJ made a career out of dirty means of obtaining power and "honor".

The information on Mac Wallace is very interesting and I believe he had a hand in the actually killing. Whether it be direct or indirect, it's still a bit strange given than a 14 point (sometimes disputed) print match was found in the 6th floor of the SBD. It's pretty well accepted that Mac Wallace did LBJ's dirty work from time to time.


Johnson definitely had something to gain and he hated the Kennedy brothers.



Jasn


Here's a bit of info on Wallace.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKwallaceM.htm

[Martian Exile]

The ultimate proof of a conspiracy IMO is the simple fact that the details of the report was sealed, and not to be opened till long after we are all dead. If Oswald acted alone, why seal the report?

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

True dat!

And let's not forget the complicity of the secret service:

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[Martian Exile]

Wellll, sheeat, as many times as we watched that film over and over in collage hist. class, we did not notice that.

[mojo]

The more i look into the recruitment of Nazi war criminals by both the US and Russian governments after WW2 the worse it looks.
No wonder both of these governments appear to becoming more and more like fascist regimes.
When you consider that they insinuated there way into every facet of the governments and industrial complex's they were recruited in to.
Intelligence, Federal and Local government, Science and Technology and Industrial corporations and the Media.
The list of known Nazi's i'm working on in positions in these area's is astounding, many of them recruited initially by Allen Dulles, who when sacked by Kennedy because of the Bay of Pigs fiasco and perhaps also because of his involvement in the Northwoods document and planning decided that Kennedy had to go.

[mojo]

Though the gemstone file and hunts deathbed confession suggest a different group of conspirators in the kennedy assassinations there are still a number of subjects mentioned in both of these theory's who coincidentally appear in the Nazi/Cia connection theory as well.
Not least of which is the fact that Onassis had connections during the war on both sides, none of his ships were ever sunk by either side during the whole of WW2!!
There is also a lot of evidence available pointing to Onassis's involvement in Vietnam and Laos and gambling in Cuba.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemstone_File


One controversial aspect of the Gemstone File is its portrayal of Onassis as the main force behind the election of John F. Kennedy as President, and subsequently, Kennedy's assassination in 1963. According to Bruce Roberts' Gemstone papers, Lee Harvey Oswald was a participant in the JFK assassination plan. He was linked to the CIA, and to Mafia connections in New Orleans. However, the role he was destined to play in the assassination was as the patsy. The Gemstone File names Jimmy Fratianno, Johnny Roselli, and Eugene Brading as the real shooters.
When Robert F. Kennedy decided to run for the Presidency, Aristotle Onassis ordered that he be assassinated. A hypnotized Sirhan Sirhan was allegedly set up to be the ostensible shooter. His wild shots peppered the room, but none of them hit Kennedy. According to the documents, the real shooter was Thane Cesar, a security guard at General Motors, which was secretly owned by Onassis, who was "lent" for the occasion to act as Robert Kennedy's bodyguard. Cesar was walking right behind Kennedy as they entered the Pantry area. While Sirhan Sirhan's shots flew around the room, Cesar lifted a small palm gun and shot Kennedy behind the ear. "The Second Gun," a documentary by Ted Chirach, covers this scenario.
Roberts' Gemstone papers also detail the involvement of Joseph P. Kennedy with the Mafia, and with Onassis. John F. Kennedy and Robert F. Kennedy attempted to break away from Onassis and the Mafia, and the CIA, and that is the basic reason they were shot.


This is also worth a read, The gemstone files skeleton key.

http://www.elsewhere.org/education/para101/gemstone.txt

Howard Hunt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._Howard_Hunt


Hunt, along with Liddy, engineered the first Watergate burglary. In the ensuing Watergate Scandal, Hunt was convicted of burglary, conspiracy, and wiretapping, eventually serving 33 months in prison. In 2007 his son released audio tape of Hunt naming President Lyndon B. Johnson and others as the orchestrators of the John F. Kennedy assassination.[1]



After the Bay of Pigs, Hunt became a personal assistant to Allen Dulles


While i think LBJ was the received the ultimate reward from JFK's assassination, i believe that he too was also "under orders", to be honest i don't think he was smart enough to have planned and executed the whole thing himself. :)

[mojo]

Strange as it is, I was thinking about starting a thread on this myself although I would have gone with...

JFK. Who do you think did it?

Mine would have been an ADD version. I prefer yours BTW.

I think it would be quite fair to say that the Warren Commission was complete BS, much more damage limitation that anything else. A front for the sheep. Yes yes your gooberment takes this all very seriously and look we have all these fine upstanding gentlemen looking in to it all on your behalf.

Any thoughts on Jim Garrison (the dude Kevin Costner played in the film JFK). Did he really ever have any substantial evidence or was it all just a lot of guess work?

Did the MOB, Gov manage to stay one step ahead of him?

The film points towards Vietnam being part of the reason, but Mr. Garrison himself was involved in the making of the film. I can't help but be skeptical of someone who uses the truth to make money.

Was the continuation of the Vietnam war enough to have JFK shot for, or is this just another mirror that deflects a certain amount of the truth?

Fox

i dont think the garrison evidence can be completely ignored, david ferrie was involved in a cia backed anti cuban protest group, had cia contacts and was ripe for the picking.
if dulles was in anyway involved ferrie and his associates seem like perfectly reasonable patsies.

[boycotteverything]

It was pulled off by the CIA and the mob. That's where Garrison's investigation leads. Straight to Carlos Marcello. A careful listening to the Watergate tapes also points to this. The 'Cubans' involved in the Watergate break-in were involved as was their leader- Howard Hunt. Allen and John Foster Dulles? Hard to believe that they wouldn't have known. I believe that Nixon knew the whole story and took it to his grave.

[mojo]

dulles was the man for sure, but the involvement of some of gehlens cohorts is not as well documented imo.
gehlen was dulles go to man for all of his highly clandestine operations both abroad and within the US.
gehlen was a master strategist, lies within lies within lies.

[Chorlton]

I think it was a bloke called Lee Harvey Oswald.
The simplest answers are usually the correct ones, but dont let me spoil another conspiracy theory

[boycotteverything]

Hard to ignore the Dulles brothers. They were central to American foreign policy for years. But Gehlen? That's a bridge too far for me.

[Chorlton]

Were in Holland now ?

[boycotteverything]

I think it was a bloke called Lee Harvey Oswald.
The simplest answers are usually the correct ones, but dont let me spoil another conspiracy theorySure- Father Occam should never be left out of the discussion. On the other hand, the 'lone gunman' is not a 'simple' theory as any research into Oswald's history, politics and his writings well establish. The CIA/Mob association seems simpler to me.

[Chorlton]

Has anyone asked my mate John Lear

[boycotteverything]

john pins it on HAARP.

[mojo]

I think it was a bloke called Lee Harvey Oswald.
The simplest answers are usually the correct ones, but dont let me spoil another conspiracy theory

perfectly reasonable....but in this instance there is circumstantial evidence pointing to other influences, unlike a soul catcher.