ChadAndrewAmKon
06-08-2008, 05:11 PM
More & more people will wake up, and read the truth about CIA-Forums & the Counter-Intelligence Project (COINTELPRO), which has been active at many websites, such as AboveTopSecret.com & GodLikeProductions.com (All of them reserve the "right" to modify your messages & read the private ones, as long as you're posting information on their wicked government-owned websites).
Now the people, who serve the public at great forums like this one, and SOTT.net are being attacked, every few weeks. However, the owner(s) of SOTT.net have been attacked more often than many other webmasters, who own anti-conspiracy forums. The owner(s) of SOTT.net have actually been sued by "federal" agents, who manage some of the most infamous online message-boards (such as AboveTopSecret.com). Of course, those agents will most likely find favor with the government-ordained judge, who will be (or has been) selected to rule over the following case discussed at this forum-thread (and other online message boards):
- ATS Suing Signs Of The Times - TruthSeekers (http://truthseekers.invisionzone.com/index.php?showtopic=1676&st=10&start=10)
- Abovetopsecret.com EXPOSED!!! (http://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com/2006/03/abovetopsecretcom-exposed.html)
- ANTI COINTELPRO AND DISINFORMATION (http://anti-cointelpro.blogspot.com)
I suggest you consider visiting the truthseeker's page, and Laura Knight Jadczyks articles, before reading the others in that list of sites.
º Truthseekers Forum-site (http://truthseekers.invisionzone.com/index.php?s=228ca45ce1f66946767de4eaa9fab96f&showtopic=1676&st=0)
º http://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com/2006/03/abovetopsecretcom-exposed.html#links (http://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com)
http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/editor...etcomPsyops.php
This is an image of an email that Bill Ryan of Project SERPO sent to me claiming that it had been sent to him by "friends" who were on the list of recipients. When I published it, I blacked out the name of the sender because I wasn't at all sure that a respectable attorney with a reputable law firm would actually be doing what this email suggests he is doing: creating disinformation to propagate via abovetopsecret.com. But now I can tell you who wrote that email because his involvement with ATS is now on the record: it was Wayne Jaeschke of Morrison & Foerster LLP in McLean VA.
Gee, isn't that right down the road from the CIA?
In short, this high-end corporate attorney is VERY thick in the whole Abovetopsecret gang activity. Funny, QFG only ever had ONE attorney member and he only lasted about a week.
Readers, if you want to know the deep, dark, nitty gritty details behind this abovetopsecret.com cointelpro operation, you will not want to miss a single one of my blog posts on that subject:
Even common folks are waking up, like "Vomeggido" (former-participant at ATS). Read what that person wrote about ATS after he or she watched a video posted by an ATS/CIA-shill at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roWAyPba89A
Vomeggido's response to that video:
ATS is a very clever COINTELPRO/Disnfo website which uses truth evidence and information to lure truth seekers into a web of deception and using decades old Russian psycho babble, which is extremely effective in turning a truther into a disinfo agent without them realizing it.
They hide in plain and use truths to bait their hooks. I believe they are government black ops corralling the confused into organized groups for a one-way tick to the Rex-84 Express.
ATS is no one's friend.
Open Minds Forum (http://www.OpenMindsForum.com):
http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/inde ... age=2#3050 (http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=362&page=2#3050)
Lucianarchy (http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=lucianarchy) quoted a trustworthy-informant, who revealed the following information:
I did a trace route on http://www.abovetopsecret.com/, the Node Name is listed and maintained by the government. IP Address
213.206.128
213.206.129
213.206.130
Node Name
Gov-bb21-lan-14
Gov-bb22-lan-15
Gov-bb23-lan-16
Location
Langley, Virginia
MS
60
Network Used
whois.nic.mil (for military network information)
It was difficult to get the IP Address, It was spoofed and looped over 9 times. Anyway Langley, Virginia is where the CIA headquarters is. I?m more than concerned.
Most of the subjects & administrators at GodLikeProductions.com used to be reasonable until the ownership of that website was given over Federal-agents, as well.
º http://anti-cointelpro.blogspot.com/2006/04/godlikeproductions-is-psy-ops.html
Also review: Open Minds Forum - Letter from John about recent events at ATS (http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=johnlear&action=display&thread=1632&page=1)
The Administrator of Exopolitics.org.uk (http://Exopolitics.org.uk) revealed similar information, as I mentioned on this forum before:
The British tabloids are having a field day with the chance to make lots of bad word-play on the UFO phenomena with this latest interest from Mr R - but it's worth using the coverage as a cultural thermometer as there are significant changes in tone and acceptance of exopolitical issues generally. Gone in the last few years are the references to 'little green men' and the direct correlation of anyone demonstrating an interest with kooks and weirdos. *ATS is an intelligence agency PR/disinformation site.
At the US conference 34-year-old Robbie revealed he had retreated into paranormal investigation to fill a void in his life and escape the pressures of fame. He explains: I have spent so much time looking at pictures on websites like Above Top Secret* and reading conspiracy theories that I want to go and meet these people.
I want to do something other than sit in my bed watching the news at half past ten, I want to go out and do something. Robbie tells of his belief that UFOs are there all the time but only show themselves on Earth when they make mistakes and their protective shields come off
More information about the COINTELPRO operation at AboveTopSecret.com can be found at:
http://www.realityuncovered.com/forum/v ... .php?t=170 (http://www.realityuncovered.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=170)
The subject discussed on that page: "Dr. Webre / ICIS - ATS is COINTELPRO?" (http://www.realityuncovered.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=170)
Subject: A VERY DISTURBING MOFO, ATS & 9/11 Article
http://realcostofwar.blogspot.com/
Thursday, March 23, 2006 Attack proves ATS is Cointelpro!!!
Sincethere really is no copyright law which prohibits the type of
commentary [and] analysis of any article which was done by Joe Quinn of
an article [at] Above Top Secret, it appears that the 'gloves have come
off' and the' [Above] Top Secret boys' are now playing 'hardball' in the
attempt toquash the Truth about the issues involved. These issues are
what is [True] about the events of 911! It is now very obvious they want
the Lies [to] remain dominant in the public's eves.
ATS has engaged the [services] of one of the country's largest law firms
(maybe even one of the entire world's largest) in their attempt to
prohibit the Truth from [being] disseminated to any who are interested
in hearing it. This is NOTabout 'copyright', but about attacking the
Truth.
Below is an article by Laura Knight Jadczyk which explains all this
in much more detail:
Abovetopsecret.com EXPOSED!!!
Someof you may have noticed that signs of the times was down for
awhile [today]. This was due to the actions of the website
abovetopsecret.com.As I have speculated, they were given the task to
run cointelpro on Joe Quinn's article:
Evidence That a Frozen Fish Didn't Impact the Pentagon on 9/11 - and
Neither Did a Boeing 757
which was an analysis of the "catherder" article on
abovetopsecret [which] essentially was support for the Bush Neocons
conspiracy theory about the events of September 11.
As anyone who is familiar with copyright law knows, this is perfectly
legal under standard copyright law.
However, abovetopsecret.com, like Bush and the Neocons, make up
their own laws. As I have chronicled on this blog, their urgent
demands that [we] remove this article because it was a violation of
their "creative [commons]" copyright was absurd and simply evidence of
their position as [an] active cointelpro/psy-ops propagator on the
internet. It isn't [copyrights] they are concerned about, it is google
bombing and running [psy-ops]. And now, they have proven it.
Here is the letter we [received] from our server people after being
notified by about a hundred people via email that the signs of the
times site was down:
Information about the CIA's involvement in managing ATS & some sites like it can also be in a forum, titled: "CIA Forums: from Lunatic Fringe & Conspiracy Theories to Christians, Russians & Science (http://forums.armageddononline.org/cia_forums_lunatic-t10352.html)":
http://forums.armageddononline.org/cia_ ... 10352.html (http://forums.armageddononline.org/cia_forums_lunatic-t10352.html)
I don't understand why the CIA is burning Matt Marriott's articles. After all there is really nobody searching for the truth in End Times... Till Armageddon, no Truth, no Shalom...
CIA Lunatic Fringe & Conspiracy Theories
----- godlikeproductions.com: April 5, 2007: The CIA deleted almost ALL glp threads by Matt Marriott, some of them two years old, exposing the BIG LIES planted by the illuminati, propagated by their mass media and by their "forums" in all their packages, i.e. also in the "Lunatic Fringe" & "Conspiracy Theories" package.
Before GLP was 99.9 pct illuminati disinfo and 0.01 pct Truth, some of which is still found in Google cache:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...attmarriott%22
Results 1 - 10 of about 2,850 from godlikeproductions.com for "mattmarriott"
2860 still in cache. They will now be deleted from Google index.
You will no more find Truth at glp. For that you must use the End Times couple, i.e. GOOGLE MattMarriott [subject]
BTW, the CIA left one thread to proudly claim their deeds:
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bb...ssageid=368576
Now they can propagate that there was no Jewish Holocaust without being disturbed.
--- AboveTopSecret.com: For a comparison with another CIA forum packaged differently but designed for a similar public: ats banned Matt Marriott 2005, after less than one year. On the other hand they did not delete most of his threads...
--- glp vs. ats note
[quote:3ngfvsi2]Originally Posted by Someone
GLP is a strange place. The last time I typed 'spyware', it was replaced by the software with 'flowers'.
They will also replace "abovetopsecret.com" with "hairybalz.com". CIA playing not CIA. Does "CIA arrests Alex Jones" and "Ernest Zundel jailed" ring a bell?
CIA Christians & Russians
---- ChristianForums.com: April 8, 2007: CIA deleted ALL articles by MattMarriott, the Illuminati End Times Prophet, some three years old.For a comparison with other "burning the truth" cerimonies: ChristianForums.com deleted only the posts by Matt Marriott (which includes the original post of each thread) but left the rest of the posts in each thread.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...m+MattMarriott Since "MattMarriott" is no more in the page, google will soon no more return these: Results 1 - 10 of about 91 from christianforums.com for MattMarriott
ChristianForums.com: an interesting approach to break the End Times Formula: 1 + 1 = 2 or in other words to break the Search for Truth in End Times Formula, i.e.
GOOGLE MATTMARRIOTT [subject].
A different break approach at pravda forums, one of the "russian news" sites operated by the CIA: they made the articles avalaible only to registered users... Google is not a registered user, so soon all articles were deleted from Google index.
CIA SCIENCE
---- sciforums.com
Originally Posted by CIA
Obtain your own forum, Magpie!!!
Yes, that is part of the sciforums.com approach: one third of articles deleted, some closed and the rest assigned to this special kind of own forum:
http://www.sciforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=92
----- bautforum.com: Talking about "Science", Stellar Parallax, the correct Answer to the greatest "science" hoax, was found, in this thread from bautforum.com, one of the CIA sites set-up for "serious discussion of "science" BIG LIES that will not be allowed to be questioned in the mass media.
http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=54012
Bautforum.com is for the NASA big lies what talkorigins.com is for the big lie Evolution Theory. Again a particular approach: despite claim of the "moderator" who closed the thread, they did not give Matt Marriott the chance to answer the issues that were raised, once they were asked to reopen the thread.
NO CIA Armageddon... yet!
At least there is no CIA armageddon yet! As of today, my article is even sticky on Armageddononline.org., thanks to moderator shortround, who seems to particularly enjoy my writings. Thank you.
http://www.armageddononline.org/foru...ad.php?t=10343[/quote:3ngfvsi2]
Another highly-respected group of people at SOTT.net (http://SOTT.net) had this to share with the general-public:
Topic: "COINTELPRO and Disinformation "
I'll use this to archive my findings on ATS, it's as good a place as any, and I think we can all agree things are not as they seem at that site.
Recently, ATS claimed David Icke would be joining them to form an 'official' David Icke forum.
Now on Davids own site he states:
"Just a quick one. I have had a number of emails recently asking if various website forum contributors using the name 'David Icke' are me. The answer is no in every case. I don't communicate that way so anyone using the name David Icke in forums etc. are definitely not me
all the best,
David "
ATS did not inform members of this and in fact never had direct confirmation from David that an 'official' forum would be in place.
Only after the above quote had been posted on ATS, did Septic overlord say:
"We negotiated the "David Icke" forum through his technology consultant and webmaster.
They first approach us asking for advice and possible collaboration in redesigning their website.
We had an effective agreement to bring David to ATS for a unique opportunity to interact directly with him. But as the days, weeks, and months wore on with no input from David, we first disabled the forum, and recently removed it.
Given this performance and lack of communication, I doubt we'll be open to considering this again.
Sorry folks. It could have been interesting. "
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread203268/pg1
To me, this says they did not have the deceny to talk with David before making a public announcement, and did not have the decency to inform their members.
I (like many others) will be keeping a close eye on these monkeys.
Apparently Laura Knight Jadczyk helped start an anti-cointelpro movement against the owners of AboveTopSecret.com (along with other CIA-Forums) by writing about them at a few of her own webpages:
• AboveTopSecret - Newest COINTEL Soap Opera! (http://blueibisthoughts.blogspot.com/2006/01/abovetopsecret-newest-cointel-soap_16.html)
• Laura Knight Jadczyk: AboveTopSecret.com COINTELPRO Update 2 (http://anti-cointelpro.blogspot.com/2006/05/laura-knight-jadczyk-abovetopsecretcom_07.html)
Many people have responded to her blog, such as the member called, "Mog". Mog is a member of SOTT.net (Laura Knight Jadczyk manages that website):
Laura,
I came across you blog and wound my way here.
Here is my story with ats.
About 6 weeks ago I submitted a news article to atsnn about the pentagon. It cast the pentagon in a negative light. Two days later I recieved a mysterious phone call from the delorazine clinic in the pentagon. It was a supposedly wrong number. Yea ok.
Now I always thought something was fishy abouot ats. After reading your blog I decided to run a test. This is what happened.
I posted this thread -
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EXPOSE THE AGENTS!
I have been a member here for a little bit. One thing that I find is many high level poeple here actually do not support alternative theories. They use ridicule, "give me proof", and name calling to cut down many here who are asking legitamate questions.
I ran across a very interesting article about ATS. If you like this site, but have a nagging feeling something is not right then please read this article. I do believe this site is run by government associates. In this thread I would like to invite you to post quotes and other information about members who you think are government associates. Lets get to the bottom of this eh? There are many legitamate topics and members here. But from my experience there are also some poeple with questionable agendas. This thread is for uncovering and showing who is a suspected agent. Please don't ridicule me or try to prove me wrong. This thread is not for that. You have your own threads for that. I am hoping the moderators will uphold ATS standards on this one. Lets see.
----------------------------
As you can imagine I was instantly attacked. The post was moved to the trash bin in about 4 minutes of posting.
Instantly 5 moderaters jumped on me. Including skeptic overloard.
My forum was trashed, then moved to a differnt catagory. I edited it to remove it, but skeptic overloard kept putting it back up. I had to edit it 6 times for him to finally leave it be. So instread he just ran a quote of my post in his post.
They didnt uphold their own rules, they posted off topic, and attacked my post, which is not what they are supposed to do.
You are right on the money about ats.
I am very scared for my saftey right now. I dont know, its fun to poke a tiger, but
How much traking software is on my computer now? They already have my phone number so what can I expect next? Anyone?
Keep up the good work Laura. Very impressive. I would like to get more information about other real forums.
A toolmaker from Michigan
Now my signature is being attacked and I am placed on global ignore. I will never go back to that site again.
View my trashed thread here.... http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/vie … pid2199665
Of course, that thread was trashed by the CIA-shills at ATS (the "cache"-version of Mog's thread may be able to be found on google.com though).
By the way, have you noticed Bill Irvine (SkepticOverLord) and his shills tend to visit other popular forum-sites, which have plenty of former-members & skeptical non-members of ATS?
Here's an example of Bill interrupting a discussion between "anti-conspiracy groups" at 1 of those same forums:
LetsRollForums.com (http://letsrollforums.com/ats-com-catherder-gets-t9667p4.htmlm):
[quote:3ngfvsi2]Originally Posted by SkepticGuy(SkepticOverLord)
Hi Merc (and everyone else)
I'm not going to plead that "ATS is not COINTELPRO", only to thank you for jumping in wiith some new alternate ideas... which is why your post was pulled out to create a new thread for better discussion.
Sometimes, through our efforts at a balanced approach, we get flack when a thread that debunks becomes popular.
The Spider and The Fly: SkepticOverlord and COINTELPRO
The morning's mailbag brought some more emails from members of the Abovetopsecret.com forum. What really surprises me about some of these emails is the fact that these truly good and decent people have the idea that the forum "belongs" to them and they are upset at the way it is being run and who is in charge, and so on. This surprises me because it is quite possible that the forum was set up to "vacuum" in people who were interested in the subjects that were advertised by Simon Gray in the early day's of the abovtopsecret.com website's existence; things like aliens, UFOs, Area 51, New World Order conspiracies, and so on. So, they came and found a place to discuss things with one another and began to feel that it was "home." That's not a surprise because it seems that it was intended that way. Sort of like the spider and the fly.
"Will you walk into my parlor?" said the spider to the fly;
"'Tis the prettiest little parlor that ever you may spy.
The way into my parlor is up a winding stair,
And I have many curious things to show when you are there."
"Oh no, no," said the little fly; "to ask me is in vain,
For who goes up your winding stair can ne'er come down again."
"I'm sure you must be weary, dear, with soaring up so high.
Well you rest upon my little bed?" said the spider to the fly.
"There are pretty curtains drawn around; the sheets are fine and thin,
And if you like to rest a while, I'll snugly tuck you in!"
"Oh no, no," said the little fly, "for I've often heard it said,
They never, never wake again who sleep upon your bed!"
Said the cunning spider to the fly: "Dear friend, what can I do
To prove the warm affection I've always felt for you?
I have within my pantry good store of all that's nice;
I'm sure you're very welcome - will you please to take a slice?
"Oh no, no," said the little fly; "kind sir, that cannot be:
I've heard what's in your pantry, and I do not wish to see!"
"Sweet creature!" said the spider, "you're witty and you're wise;
How handsome are your gauzy wings; how brilliant are your eyes!
I have a little looking-glass upon my parlor shelf;
If you'd step in one moment, dear, you shall behold yourself."
"I thank you, gentle sir," she said, "for what you're pleased to say,
And, bidding you good morning now, I'll call another day."
The spider turned him round about, and went into his den,
For well he knew the silly fly would soon come back again:
So he wove a subtle web in a little corner sly,
And set his table ready to dine upon the fly;
Then came out to his door again and merrily did sing:
"Come hither, hither, pretty fly, with pearl and silver wing;
Your robes are green and purple; there's a crest upon your head;
Your eyes are like diamond bright, but mine are dull as lead!"
Alas, alas! how very soon this silly little fly,
Hearing his wily, flattering words, came slowly flitting by;
With buzzing wings she hung aloft, then near and nearer grew,
Thinking only of her brilliant eyes and green and purple hue,
Thinking only of her crested head. Poor, foolish thing! at last
Up jumped the cunning spider, and fiercely held her fast;
He dragged her up his winding stair, into the dismal den -
Within his little parlor - but she ne'er came out again!
And now, dear little children, who may this story read,
To idle, silly flattering words I pray you ne'er give heed;
Unto an evil counselor close heart and ear and eye,
And take a lesson from this tale of the spider and the fly.
by Mary Howitt
In any event, there are all these good and decent people there who have met each other online, formed online friendships, enjoyed companionship and discussions, and now they are feeling a bit upset to consider the idea that it has all been a play for control of their minds. I don't blame them one bit.
What is interesting is to notice, as I do by reading the mail, that quite a few of them are learning how to think as a result of this experience. The following is combined from several emails received yesterday and today. All the people who are writing to me ask that their identities be concealed because they don't want to be banned and lose out on talking to their friends.
Dear Ark and Laura,
When you go to ATS on the very very top of the page are "tabs" to go between different sections of the overall site. The "ATS Board" tab leads to the main forum where in large, bold letters on top it now says the word "COINTELPRO" - that's a link to a new thread by SkepticOverlord. [...]
There is now a pretty slick and rather transparent manipulation by SkepticOverlord in that thread. There are several statements he makes that reveal his true self.
Quote from SkepticOverlord: "Because [CatHerder's Article] debunks a popular conspiracy theory, the knee-jerk reaction of many is that "AboveTopSecret.com must be COINTELPRO!"
Now wait a minute! Didn't he just set up a whole project to "focus" on finding the "truth" by focusing on certain select pieces of evidence?? Didn't he write to you "The more we can assemble a balanced team of experienced contributors, the more change we have to obtain a mutually agreed degree of truth"??
If so, then why would he say that CatHerder's article *debunked* a popular conspiracy theory? I thought that was what this upcoming debate was supposed to try to resolve?
Now, let me stop here and insert a quote from another correspondent that I already published that is relevant to this issue also:
...they were constantly referring to "our material" and "our work", but when the acronym "ATS" was used in the title of a thread on their website, they got upset and said the article by CatHerder has nothing to do with ATS in any way, that it was purely a work of just a member on ATS, so it should not in any way be associated with ATS.
Fine, but if it IS just one member's opinion with no association to ATS, why did they put it on the front page of ATS and keep it there as the only thing on the front page that has not changed for over a year? And as SkepticOverlord constantly repeats in his posts that he wants a "balanced" view on ATS, yet never ever has he put a link on the ATS front page to ANOTHER article that may give a different view from CatHerder's analysis - is that balanced?
Hmmm... yes, it does seem that SkepticOverlord is slithering around like mercury...
It is very sneaky and dishonest of SkepticOverlord to suggest that the only reason ATS has been suspected of running COINTELPRO is simply because an article on ATS debunks a popular conspiracy theory! That is, by no means, the whole thing. But, by making this "emotional" claim, he makes the suggestion appear entirely irrational panders to his audience for pity.
Ah, yes! The "poor pitiful me, I'm just a good guy doing my job for all of YOUUUU, and look at the abuse I'm taking!" As Martha Stout, Ph.D. writes:
"Question your tendency to pity too easily. Respect should be reserved for the kind and the morally courageous. Pity is another socially valuable response, and should be reserved for innocent people who are in genuine pain or who have fallen on misfortune. If, instead, you find yourself often pitying someone who consistently hurts you or other people, and who actively campaigns for your sympathy, the chances are close to one hundred percent that you are dealing with a psychopath."
What is so interesting is that SkepticOverlord just leaves out the actual reason that ATS came under suspicion which was the specific manner in which the article by CatHerder was used to attempt to debunk the no-plane at the Pentagon theory, the slippery and manipulative way the article went about this, and then, the following discussions where the ATS administrators used emotional manipulation to make anyone who questioned the conclusions of CatHerder's article feel guilty of doing so. As another correspondent wrote:
My conclusion is that when it suits them, they disassociate themselves from the material and point the finger at just "some member's personal opinion". But then, at their whim at other times, they claim it as their own. This is a curious inconsistency.
Well, one tactic today, another tactic tomorrow.
Quote from SkepticOverlord: "The real issue here is the truth, and finding a path that leads us to it. No one ever discovers any truths by sticking to one side of an issue."
Yet on page 1 of the original "Pentagon 911: CatHerder's analysis under critical scrutiny" thread, he said: "To me, there can be no doubt about what hit the Pentagon."
In that remark, did he not unequivocally "stick" to one side of the issue? Together with his above "established fact" that CatHerder actually DID debunk the conspiracy theory (without question), it seems the real issue for SkepticOverlord is NOT the truth after all.
Quote from SkepticOverlord: "Through a thoughtful, balanced, and sometimes critical analysis of "conspiracy theory" topics, we hope to be able to toss aside that which is not a conspiracy, so that energies can be spent on that which is."
So since his mind is already made up as seen from his own words above, it is rather clear that he simply wants to "toss aside" the question of what really hit the Pentagon, because to him it is "not a conspiracy", since he has NO DOUBT that he knows "exactly what hit the pentagon", period. He's calling for critical analysis, but the question is, why is he only SOMETIMES critical? It seems that the question of what hit the Pentagon falls into one of those "uncritical" times!
But why? What's so special about THAT question that so much effort is spent by the ATS administration and others to focus on any other part of 911 - EXCEPT that one?
They claim it is because it is not a "real conspiracy", that there is no doubt what hit the Pentagon, that it is SO obvious and clear as day that they are trying to save all of us ATS forum members from ourselves by preventing us from wasting our precious energy on such obvious non-conspiracies.
That must be it. And the government is trying to stifle all private investigation of 911 because it is SO OBVIOUS who is responsible for 911 that the government just feels terrible that poor ignorant private people are wasting their precious energy on such silly non-conspiracies.[/quote:3ngfvsi2]
Now the people, who serve the public at great forums like this one, and SOTT.net are being attacked, every few weeks. However, the owner(s) of SOTT.net have been attacked more often than many other webmasters, who own anti-conspiracy forums. The owner(s) of SOTT.net have actually been sued by "federal" agents, who manage some of the most infamous online message-boards (such as AboveTopSecret.com). Of course, those agents will most likely find favor with the government-ordained judge, who will be (or has been) selected to rule over the following case discussed at this forum-thread (and other online message boards):
- ATS Suing Signs Of The Times - TruthSeekers (http://truthseekers.invisionzone.com/index.php?showtopic=1676&st=10&start=10)
- Abovetopsecret.com EXPOSED!!! (http://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com/2006/03/abovetopsecretcom-exposed.html)
- ANTI COINTELPRO AND DISINFORMATION (http://anti-cointelpro.blogspot.com)
I suggest you consider visiting the truthseeker's page, and Laura Knight Jadczyks articles, before reading the others in that list of sites.
º Truthseekers Forum-site (http://truthseekers.invisionzone.com/index.php?s=228ca45ce1f66946767de4eaa9fab96f&showtopic=1676&st=0)
º http://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com/2006/03/abovetopsecretcom-exposed.html#links (http://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com)
http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/editor...etcomPsyops.php
This is an image of an email that Bill Ryan of Project SERPO sent to me claiming that it had been sent to him by "friends" who were on the list of recipients. When I published it, I blacked out the name of the sender because I wasn't at all sure that a respectable attorney with a reputable law firm would actually be doing what this email suggests he is doing: creating disinformation to propagate via abovetopsecret.com. But now I can tell you who wrote that email because his involvement with ATS is now on the record: it was Wayne Jaeschke of Morrison & Foerster LLP in McLean VA.
Gee, isn't that right down the road from the CIA?
In short, this high-end corporate attorney is VERY thick in the whole Abovetopsecret gang activity. Funny, QFG only ever had ONE attorney member and he only lasted about a week.
Readers, if you want to know the deep, dark, nitty gritty details behind this abovetopsecret.com cointelpro operation, you will not want to miss a single one of my blog posts on that subject:
Even common folks are waking up, like "Vomeggido" (former-participant at ATS). Read what that person wrote about ATS after he or she watched a video posted by an ATS/CIA-shill at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roWAyPba89A
Vomeggido's response to that video:
ATS is a very clever COINTELPRO/Disnfo website which uses truth evidence and information to lure truth seekers into a web of deception and using decades old Russian psycho babble, which is extremely effective in turning a truther into a disinfo agent without them realizing it.
They hide in plain and use truths to bait their hooks. I believe they are government black ops corralling the confused into organized groups for a one-way tick to the Rex-84 Express.
ATS is no one's friend.
Open Minds Forum (http://www.OpenMindsForum.com):
http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/inde ... age=2#3050 (http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=362&page=2#3050)
Lucianarchy (http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=lucianarchy) quoted a trustworthy-informant, who revealed the following information:
I did a trace route on http://www.abovetopsecret.com/, the Node Name is listed and maintained by the government. IP Address
213.206.128
213.206.129
213.206.130
Node Name
Gov-bb21-lan-14
Gov-bb22-lan-15
Gov-bb23-lan-16
Location
Langley, Virginia
MS
60
Network Used
whois.nic.mil (for military network information)
It was difficult to get the IP Address, It was spoofed and looped over 9 times. Anyway Langley, Virginia is where the CIA headquarters is. I?m more than concerned.
Most of the subjects & administrators at GodLikeProductions.com used to be reasonable until the ownership of that website was given over Federal-agents, as well.
º http://anti-cointelpro.blogspot.com/2006/04/godlikeproductions-is-psy-ops.html
Also review: Open Minds Forum - Letter from John about recent events at ATS (http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=johnlear&action=display&thread=1632&page=1)
The Administrator of Exopolitics.org.uk (http://Exopolitics.org.uk) revealed similar information, as I mentioned on this forum before:
The British tabloids are having a field day with the chance to make lots of bad word-play on the UFO phenomena with this latest interest from Mr R - but it's worth using the coverage as a cultural thermometer as there are significant changes in tone and acceptance of exopolitical issues generally. Gone in the last few years are the references to 'little green men' and the direct correlation of anyone demonstrating an interest with kooks and weirdos. *ATS is an intelligence agency PR/disinformation site.
At the US conference 34-year-old Robbie revealed he had retreated into paranormal investigation to fill a void in his life and escape the pressures of fame. He explains: I have spent so much time looking at pictures on websites like Above Top Secret* and reading conspiracy theories that I want to go and meet these people.
I want to do something other than sit in my bed watching the news at half past ten, I want to go out and do something. Robbie tells of his belief that UFOs are there all the time but only show themselves on Earth when they make mistakes and their protective shields come off
More information about the COINTELPRO operation at AboveTopSecret.com can be found at:
http://www.realityuncovered.com/forum/v ... .php?t=170 (http://www.realityuncovered.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=170)
The subject discussed on that page: "Dr. Webre / ICIS - ATS is COINTELPRO?" (http://www.realityuncovered.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=170)
Subject: A VERY DISTURBING MOFO, ATS & 9/11 Article
http://realcostofwar.blogspot.com/
Thursday, March 23, 2006 Attack proves ATS is Cointelpro!!!
Sincethere really is no copyright law which prohibits the type of
commentary [and] analysis of any article which was done by Joe Quinn of
an article [at] Above Top Secret, it appears that the 'gloves have come
off' and the' [Above] Top Secret boys' are now playing 'hardball' in the
attempt toquash the Truth about the issues involved. These issues are
what is [True] about the events of 911! It is now very obvious they want
the Lies [to] remain dominant in the public's eves.
ATS has engaged the [services] of one of the country's largest law firms
(maybe even one of the entire world's largest) in their attempt to
prohibit the Truth from [being] disseminated to any who are interested
in hearing it. This is NOTabout 'copyright', but about attacking the
Truth.
Below is an article by Laura Knight Jadczyk which explains all this
in much more detail:
Abovetopsecret.com EXPOSED!!!
Someof you may have noticed that signs of the times was down for
awhile [today]. This was due to the actions of the website
abovetopsecret.com.As I have speculated, they were given the task to
run cointelpro on Joe Quinn's article:
Evidence That a Frozen Fish Didn't Impact the Pentagon on 9/11 - and
Neither Did a Boeing 757
which was an analysis of the "catherder" article on
abovetopsecret [which] essentially was support for the Bush Neocons
conspiracy theory about the events of September 11.
As anyone who is familiar with copyright law knows, this is perfectly
legal under standard copyright law.
However, abovetopsecret.com, like Bush and the Neocons, make up
their own laws. As I have chronicled on this blog, their urgent
demands that [we] remove this article because it was a violation of
their "creative [commons]" copyright was absurd and simply evidence of
their position as [an] active cointelpro/psy-ops propagator on the
internet. It isn't [copyrights] they are concerned about, it is google
bombing and running [psy-ops]. And now, they have proven it.
Here is the letter we [received] from our server people after being
notified by about a hundred people via email that the signs of the
times site was down:
Information about the CIA's involvement in managing ATS & some sites like it can also be in a forum, titled: "CIA Forums: from Lunatic Fringe & Conspiracy Theories to Christians, Russians & Science (http://forums.armageddononline.org/cia_forums_lunatic-t10352.html)":
http://forums.armageddononline.org/cia_ ... 10352.html (http://forums.armageddononline.org/cia_forums_lunatic-t10352.html)
I don't understand why the CIA is burning Matt Marriott's articles. After all there is really nobody searching for the truth in End Times... Till Armageddon, no Truth, no Shalom...
CIA Lunatic Fringe & Conspiracy Theories
----- godlikeproductions.com: April 5, 2007: The CIA deleted almost ALL glp threads by Matt Marriott, some of them two years old, exposing the BIG LIES planted by the illuminati, propagated by their mass media and by their "forums" in all their packages, i.e. also in the "Lunatic Fringe" & "Conspiracy Theories" package.
Before GLP was 99.9 pct illuminati disinfo and 0.01 pct Truth, some of which is still found in Google cache:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...attmarriott%22
Results 1 - 10 of about 2,850 from godlikeproductions.com for "mattmarriott"
2860 still in cache. They will now be deleted from Google index.
You will no more find Truth at glp. For that you must use the End Times couple, i.e. GOOGLE MattMarriott [subject]
BTW, the CIA left one thread to proudly claim their deeds:
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bb...ssageid=368576
Now they can propagate that there was no Jewish Holocaust without being disturbed.
--- AboveTopSecret.com: For a comparison with another CIA forum packaged differently but designed for a similar public: ats banned Matt Marriott 2005, after less than one year. On the other hand they did not delete most of his threads...
--- glp vs. ats note
[quote:3ngfvsi2]Originally Posted by Someone
GLP is a strange place. The last time I typed 'spyware', it was replaced by the software with 'flowers'.
They will also replace "abovetopsecret.com" with "hairybalz.com". CIA playing not CIA. Does "CIA arrests Alex Jones" and "Ernest Zundel jailed" ring a bell?
CIA Christians & Russians
---- ChristianForums.com: April 8, 2007: CIA deleted ALL articles by MattMarriott, the Illuminati End Times Prophet, some three years old.For a comparison with other "burning the truth" cerimonies: ChristianForums.com deleted only the posts by Matt Marriott (which includes the original post of each thread) but left the rest of the posts in each thread.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...m+MattMarriott Since "MattMarriott" is no more in the page, google will soon no more return these: Results 1 - 10 of about 91 from christianforums.com for MattMarriott
ChristianForums.com: an interesting approach to break the End Times Formula: 1 + 1 = 2 or in other words to break the Search for Truth in End Times Formula, i.e.
GOOGLE MATTMARRIOTT [subject].
A different break approach at pravda forums, one of the "russian news" sites operated by the CIA: they made the articles avalaible only to registered users... Google is not a registered user, so soon all articles were deleted from Google index.
CIA SCIENCE
---- sciforums.com
Originally Posted by CIA
Obtain your own forum, Magpie!!!
Yes, that is part of the sciforums.com approach: one third of articles deleted, some closed and the rest assigned to this special kind of own forum:
http://www.sciforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=92
----- bautforum.com: Talking about "Science", Stellar Parallax, the correct Answer to the greatest "science" hoax, was found, in this thread from bautforum.com, one of the CIA sites set-up for "serious discussion of "science" BIG LIES that will not be allowed to be questioned in the mass media.
http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=54012
Bautforum.com is for the NASA big lies what talkorigins.com is for the big lie Evolution Theory. Again a particular approach: despite claim of the "moderator" who closed the thread, they did not give Matt Marriott the chance to answer the issues that were raised, once they were asked to reopen the thread.
NO CIA Armageddon... yet!
At least there is no CIA armageddon yet! As of today, my article is even sticky on Armageddononline.org., thanks to moderator shortround, who seems to particularly enjoy my writings. Thank you.
http://www.armageddononline.org/foru...ad.php?t=10343[/quote:3ngfvsi2]
Another highly-respected group of people at SOTT.net (http://SOTT.net) had this to share with the general-public:
Topic: "COINTELPRO and Disinformation "
I'll use this to archive my findings on ATS, it's as good a place as any, and I think we can all agree things are not as they seem at that site.
Recently, ATS claimed David Icke would be joining them to form an 'official' David Icke forum.
Now on Davids own site he states:
"Just a quick one. I have had a number of emails recently asking if various website forum contributors using the name 'David Icke' are me. The answer is no in every case. I don't communicate that way so anyone using the name David Icke in forums etc. are definitely not me
all the best,
David "
ATS did not inform members of this and in fact never had direct confirmation from David that an 'official' forum would be in place.
Only after the above quote had been posted on ATS, did Septic overlord say:
"We negotiated the "David Icke" forum through his technology consultant and webmaster.
They first approach us asking for advice and possible collaboration in redesigning their website.
We had an effective agreement to bring David to ATS for a unique opportunity to interact directly with him. But as the days, weeks, and months wore on with no input from David, we first disabled the forum, and recently removed it.
Given this performance and lack of communication, I doubt we'll be open to considering this again.
Sorry folks. It could have been interesting. "
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread203268/pg1
To me, this says they did not have the deceny to talk with David before making a public announcement, and did not have the decency to inform their members.
I (like many others) will be keeping a close eye on these monkeys.
Apparently Laura Knight Jadczyk helped start an anti-cointelpro movement against the owners of AboveTopSecret.com (along with other CIA-Forums) by writing about them at a few of her own webpages:
• AboveTopSecret - Newest COINTEL Soap Opera! (http://blueibisthoughts.blogspot.com/2006/01/abovetopsecret-newest-cointel-soap_16.html)
• Laura Knight Jadczyk: AboveTopSecret.com COINTELPRO Update 2 (http://anti-cointelpro.blogspot.com/2006/05/laura-knight-jadczyk-abovetopsecretcom_07.html)
Many people have responded to her blog, such as the member called, "Mog". Mog is a member of SOTT.net (Laura Knight Jadczyk manages that website):
Laura,
I came across you blog and wound my way here.
Here is my story with ats.
About 6 weeks ago I submitted a news article to atsnn about the pentagon. It cast the pentagon in a negative light. Two days later I recieved a mysterious phone call from the delorazine clinic in the pentagon. It was a supposedly wrong number. Yea ok.
Now I always thought something was fishy abouot ats. After reading your blog I decided to run a test. This is what happened.
I posted this thread -
------------------------------
EXPOSE THE AGENTS!
I have been a member here for a little bit. One thing that I find is many high level poeple here actually do not support alternative theories. They use ridicule, "give me proof", and name calling to cut down many here who are asking legitamate questions.
I ran across a very interesting article about ATS. If you like this site, but have a nagging feeling something is not right then please read this article. I do believe this site is run by government associates. In this thread I would like to invite you to post quotes and other information about members who you think are government associates. Lets get to the bottom of this eh? There are many legitamate topics and members here. But from my experience there are also some poeple with questionable agendas. This thread is for uncovering and showing who is a suspected agent. Please don't ridicule me or try to prove me wrong. This thread is not for that. You have your own threads for that. I am hoping the moderators will uphold ATS standards on this one. Lets see.
----------------------------
As you can imagine I was instantly attacked. The post was moved to the trash bin in about 4 minutes of posting.
Instantly 5 moderaters jumped on me. Including skeptic overloard.
My forum was trashed, then moved to a differnt catagory. I edited it to remove it, but skeptic overloard kept putting it back up. I had to edit it 6 times for him to finally leave it be. So instread he just ran a quote of my post in his post.
They didnt uphold their own rules, they posted off topic, and attacked my post, which is not what they are supposed to do.
You are right on the money about ats.
I am very scared for my saftey right now. I dont know, its fun to poke a tiger, but
How much traking software is on my computer now? They already have my phone number so what can I expect next? Anyone?
Keep up the good work Laura. Very impressive. I would like to get more information about other real forums.
A toolmaker from Michigan
Now my signature is being attacked and I am placed on global ignore. I will never go back to that site again.
View my trashed thread here.... http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/vie … pid2199665
Of course, that thread was trashed by the CIA-shills at ATS (the "cache"-version of Mog's thread may be able to be found on google.com though).
By the way, have you noticed Bill Irvine (SkepticOverLord) and his shills tend to visit other popular forum-sites, which have plenty of former-members & skeptical non-members of ATS?
Here's an example of Bill interrupting a discussion between "anti-conspiracy groups" at 1 of those same forums:
LetsRollForums.com (http://letsrollforums.com/ats-com-catherder-gets-t9667p4.htmlm):
[quote:3ngfvsi2]Originally Posted by SkepticGuy(SkepticOverLord)
Hi Merc (and everyone else)
I'm not going to plead that "ATS is not COINTELPRO", only to thank you for jumping in wiith some new alternate ideas... which is why your post was pulled out to create a new thread for better discussion.
Sometimes, through our efforts at a balanced approach, we get flack when a thread that debunks becomes popular.
The Spider and The Fly: SkepticOverlord and COINTELPRO
The morning's mailbag brought some more emails from members of the Abovetopsecret.com forum. What really surprises me about some of these emails is the fact that these truly good and decent people have the idea that the forum "belongs" to them and they are upset at the way it is being run and who is in charge, and so on. This surprises me because it is quite possible that the forum was set up to "vacuum" in people who were interested in the subjects that were advertised by Simon Gray in the early day's of the abovtopsecret.com website's existence; things like aliens, UFOs, Area 51, New World Order conspiracies, and so on. So, they came and found a place to discuss things with one another and began to feel that it was "home." That's not a surprise because it seems that it was intended that way. Sort of like the spider and the fly.
"Will you walk into my parlor?" said the spider to the fly;
"'Tis the prettiest little parlor that ever you may spy.
The way into my parlor is up a winding stair,
And I have many curious things to show when you are there."
"Oh no, no," said the little fly; "to ask me is in vain,
For who goes up your winding stair can ne'er come down again."
"I'm sure you must be weary, dear, with soaring up so high.
Well you rest upon my little bed?" said the spider to the fly.
"There are pretty curtains drawn around; the sheets are fine and thin,
And if you like to rest a while, I'll snugly tuck you in!"
"Oh no, no," said the little fly, "for I've often heard it said,
They never, never wake again who sleep upon your bed!"
Said the cunning spider to the fly: "Dear friend, what can I do
To prove the warm affection I've always felt for you?
I have within my pantry good store of all that's nice;
I'm sure you're very welcome - will you please to take a slice?
"Oh no, no," said the little fly; "kind sir, that cannot be:
I've heard what's in your pantry, and I do not wish to see!"
"Sweet creature!" said the spider, "you're witty and you're wise;
How handsome are your gauzy wings; how brilliant are your eyes!
I have a little looking-glass upon my parlor shelf;
If you'd step in one moment, dear, you shall behold yourself."
"I thank you, gentle sir," she said, "for what you're pleased to say,
And, bidding you good morning now, I'll call another day."
The spider turned him round about, and went into his den,
For well he knew the silly fly would soon come back again:
So he wove a subtle web in a little corner sly,
And set his table ready to dine upon the fly;
Then came out to his door again and merrily did sing:
"Come hither, hither, pretty fly, with pearl and silver wing;
Your robes are green and purple; there's a crest upon your head;
Your eyes are like diamond bright, but mine are dull as lead!"
Alas, alas! how very soon this silly little fly,
Hearing his wily, flattering words, came slowly flitting by;
With buzzing wings she hung aloft, then near and nearer grew,
Thinking only of her brilliant eyes and green and purple hue,
Thinking only of her crested head. Poor, foolish thing! at last
Up jumped the cunning spider, and fiercely held her fast;
He dragged her up his winding stair, into the dismal den -
Within his little parlor - but she ne'er came out again!
And now, dear little children, who may this story read,
To idle, silly flattering words I pray you ne'er give heed;
Unto an evil counselor close heart and ear and eye,
And take a lesson from this tale of the spider and the fly.
by Mary Howitt
In any event, there are all these good and decent people there who have met each other online, formed online friendships, enjoyed companionship and discussions, and now they are feeling a bit upset to consider the idea that it has all been a play for control of their minds. I don't blame them one bit.
What is interesting is to notice, as I do by reading the mail, that quite a few of them are learning how to think as a result of this experience. The following is combined from several emails received yesterday and today. All the people who are writing to me ask that their identities be concealed because they don't want to be banned and lose out on talking to their friends.
Dear Ark and Laura,
When you go to ATS on the very very top of the page are "tabs" to go between different sections of the overall site. The "ATS Board" tab leads to the main forum where in large, bold letters on top it now says the word "COINTELPRO" - that's a link to a new thread by SkepticOverlord. [...]
There is now a pretty slick and rather transparent manipulation by SkepticOverlord in that thread. There are several statements he makes that reveal his true self.
Quote from SkepticOverlord: "Because [CatHerder's Article] debunks a popular conspiracy theory, the knee-jerk reaction of many is that "AboveTopSecret.com must be COINTELPRO!"
Now wait a minute! Didn't he just set up a whole project to "focus" on finding the "truth" by focusing on certain select pieces of evidence?? Didn't he write to you "The more we can assemble a balanced team of experienced contributors, the more change we have to obtain a mutually agreed degree of truth"??
If so, then why would he say that CatHerder's article *debunked* a popular conspiracy theory? I thought that was what this upcoming debate was supposed to try to resolve?
Now, let me stop here and insert a quote from another correspondent that I already published that is relevant to this issue also:
...they were constantly referring to "our material" and "our work", but when the acronym "ATS" was used in the title of a thread on their website, they got upset and said the article by CatHerder has nothing to do with ATS in any way, that it was purely a work of just a member on ATS, so it should not in any way be associated with ATS.
Fine, but if it IS just one member's opinion with no association to ATS, why did they put it on the front page of ATS and keep it there as the only thing on the front page that has not changed for over a year? And as SkepticOverlord constantly repeats in his posts that he wants a "balanced" view on ATS, yet never ever has he put a link on the ATS front page to ANOTHER article that may give a different view from CatHerder's analysis - is that balanced?
Hmmm... yes, it does seem that SkepticOverlord is slithering around like mercury...
It is very sneaky and dishonest of SkepticOverlord to suggest that the only reason ATS has been suspected of running COINTELPRO is simply because an article on ATS debunks a popular conspiracy theory! That is, by no means, the whole thing. But, by making this "emotional" claim, he makes the suggestion appear entirely irrational panders to his audience for pity.
Ah, yes! The "poor pitiful me, I'm just a good guy doing my job for all of YOUUUU, and look at the abuse I'm taking!" As Martha Stout, Ph.D. writes:
"Question your tendency to pity too easily. Respect should be reserved for the kind and the morally courageous. Pity is another socially valuable response, and should be reserved for innocent people who are in genuine pain or who have fallen on misfortune. If, instead, you find yourself often pitying someone who consistently hurts you or other people, and who actively campaigns for your sympathy, the chances are close to one hundred percent that you are dealing with a psychopath."
What is so interesting is that SkepticOverlord just leaves out the actual reason that ATS came under suspicion which was the specific manner in which the article by CatHerder was used to attempt to debunk the no-plane at the Pentagon theory, the slippery and manipulative way the article went about this, and then, the following discussions where the ATS administrators used emotional manipulation to make anyone who questioned the conclusions of CatHerder's article feel guilty of doing so. As another correspondent wrote:
My conclusion is that when it suits them, they disassociate themselves from the material and point the finger at just "some member's personal opinion". But then, at their whim at other times, they claim it as their own. This is a curious inconsistency.
Well, one tactic today, another tactic tomorrow.
Quote from SkepticOverlord: "The real issue here is the truth, and finding a path that leads us to it. No one ever discovers any truths by sticking to one side of an issue."
Yet on page 1 of the original "Pentagon 911: CatHerder's analysis under critical scrutiny" thread, he said: "To me, there can be no doubt about what hit the Pentagon."
In that remark, did he not unequivocally "stick" to one side of the issue? Together with his above "established fact" that CatHerder actually DID debunk the conspiracy theory (without question), it seems the real issue for SkepticOverlord is NOT the truth after all.
Quote from SkepticOverlord: "Through a thoughtful, balanced, and sometimes critical analysis of "conspiracy theory" topics, we hope to be able to toss aside that which is not a conspiracy, so that energies can be spent on that which is."
So since his mind is already made up as seen from his own words above, it is rather clear that he simply wants to "toss aside" the question of what really hit the Pentagon, because to him it is "not a conspiracy", since he has NO DOUBT that he knows "exactly what hit the pentagon", period. He's calling for critical analysis, but the question is, why is he only SOMETIMES critical? It seems that the question of what hit the Pentagon falls into one of those "uncritical" times!
But why? What's so special about THAT question that so much effort is spent by the ATS administration and others to focus on any other part of 911 - EXCEPT that one?
They claim it is because it is not a "real conspiracy", that there is no doubt what hit the Pentagon, that it is SO obvious and clear as day that they are trying to save all of us ATS forum members from ourselves by preventing us from wasting our precious energy on such obvious non-conspiracies.
That must be it. And the government is trying to stifle all private investigation of 911 because it is SO OBVIOUS who is responsible for 911 that the government just feels terrible that poor ignorant private people are wasting their precious energy on such silly non-conspiracies.[/quote:3ngfvsi2]