We can cure Atheism

[RevSamuelTopHatJack]

6]YfTHXPSOKv46]

What once was considered a chronic, incurable, and eternally fatal psychological illness can be cured. Please contact the Reverend Samuel TopHat Jackson Treatment center for chronic atheism in Port Elizabeth, Eastern Cape, South Africa.

[Yo Mama]

Well, I wasn't about to watch that whole thing. Unless there was a punch line at the end of it, there's no point.

Since there's no such thing as a soul, it's impossible to have a disease of it.

Religion is a delusion. Maybe talking to a psychologist about it will help.

Good luck.

[Foxtrot Oscar]

I is sik!

I can has pils plz?

Fox

[nudespook]

Heh, how retarded.

Maybe a lobotomy or the induction of early-onset alzheimer's could be the way to assimilate atheists into your borg.

If this is meant to be serious, it's retarded. If this is meant to be Poeish, it's a bad effort, and I expect better. I prefer 'soldieringodsarmy', he's actually very good. I did like the bit with crazy islamic terrorists hitting the towers whilst juxtaposed with 'atheists cause hate and fear' bit - but a good Poe needs to work harder, D-.

So, you recently signed up on youtube to post that retarded vid. Then to post it here. I like making predictions from experience, so I predict you are one of the sohai TTT.

[Yo Mama]

NS, please to explain "TTT" - it's too early for my brain to have recovered full function yet. LOL

[nudespook]

NS, please to explain "TTT" - it's too early for my brain to have recovered full function yet. LOL

Heh, I know the feeling, takes a couple of coffees to get my grey cells active AM.

TTT = Tard Tag-Team - the sohai shortbus made it eventually.

[Yo Mama]

LOL! That's a good one.

[mojo]

I prefer my disease to your delusion.

Thanks.

Hmmm...if Atheism is a disease and Religion is the cure, what are the side effects of the medication.

Increased bowel movements and hallucinations?

:D

[Yo Mama]

don't forget the big ones of arrogance and overwhelming self-righteousness.

Those are the side effects I really hate.

[Foxtrot Oscar]

So do I get pills or not?

Fox

I believe in god for pills!

[1972]

Do i have to be nice?
I'll be nice for now.
I guess I could be quiet since I am not an Atheist.
But none of my friends have a disease.
Well, at least not this disease.
Schism til the end!!!

But if need be, I'll come back all bite you.
With the spiritual power of fact and truth and history.
Not fable, myth; not analogies and metaphor; not allegory and allusion.

I know some here do not see it but I have a fucking brain.
I will fucking use it on you.
You were warned.

[gunner]

I watched hoping for a punch line at the end, but there was none, I am dissapointed.

How can you prove a point that atheism is bad, and have one of your examples of 'evil' be planes flying into the world trade center? The official story believe it or not is that muslim extremeists did that, isnt muslim a religion therefore not atheist? I guess if you are a typical good christian, your religion is the only way, and none other count so it is a moot point.

I agree there have been many many people that have died at the hands of evil tyranical governments. However I believe if you put that up against people that have died in the name of whatever god they believe in it would be heads and tails above.

I believe there is something else out there, something that is unexplained, purpose to life, and I do believe in some kind of soul. That isnt open for discussion or argument on my part, but I dont believe in organized religion. It speaks too much of control, it denies people the experience that is this life, through guilt and fear it controls, works in cahoots with governments, and makes sure we are good little subjects. I mean really the thought of having to go to hell and burn for eternity is fucking scary, the thought that someone is going to send you there, but still loves you as it does it is fucking retarded. As a father I can tell you there is nothing, and I mean nothing that my kid could do that would cause me to damn them.

Believe what you wish, but this is the kind of shit that pisses me off, dont worry about saving me, save yourself, break the shackles off that are binding you from living life, think for your damn self.

[JiveTurkey]

I prefer my disease to your delusion.

Thanks.

Hmmm...if Atheism is a disease and Religion is the cure, what are the side effects of the medication.

Increased bowel movements and hallucinations?

:D


Don't forget "anal leakage"


I swear.....ANYONE that takes a fucking pill that can lead to a leaking anus should be shot.

Unless that pill causes that anal leakage to be pure gold.


oooh...just thought of another synonym for Foxtrot Oscar.




Welcome to AmKon fundies.....we's been missin you.

[mojo]

With the spiritual power of fact and truth and history.
Not fable, myth; not analogies and metaphor; not allegory and allusion.

If you can show me the fact, truth and history of a spiritual power i will gladly debate it with you.

Here is a couple of quick facts, truth's and some history as i see it:

Yahweh is a conglomeration of many older mythological deity's usurped by the israelites.
Most of the bible's "stories" can be traced to Sumerian, Akkadian and Babylonian cultures and perhaps even further back to the Ubaidian era, and when the research at Catalhoyuk is complete perhaps as far back as 9000bc.
When you look deeply at the history of religion it is mired in eltism and persecution, hardly what i would call "spiritual".
The older original religions were mans early attempts at explaining natural events that shaped their early lives imho.




I know some here do not see it but I have a fucking brain.
I will fucking use it on you.
You were warned.

Well, of course you do, it is just not diseased like our fundie friends would have you believe ours is.

:D

[Yo Mama]

Tit for tat, I have a video for our atheist hating friend:

s]jk6ILZAaAMIs]

Any questions, please go to http://www.godisimaginary.com

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

Ya gotta admit though...the new guy's got an amusing name; can't wait to see the avatar...

BTW, thanks for watching the video so I didn't have to...

Speaking of Reverends, here's one I can get behind:

What Would Jesus Buy?

5]RpZF6e4cj3o5]

[JiveTurkey]

p]YfTHXPSOKv4p]

What once was considered a chronic, incurable, and eternally fatal psychological illness can be cured. Please contact the Reverend Samuel TopHat Jackson Treatment center for chronic atheism in Port Elizabeth, Eastern Cape, South Africa.



p]6DmGJrrLCQEp]

[JiveTurkey]

v]XEaZtfg-MZQv]

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

Dear God,
Hope you got the letter,
And I pray you can make it better down here.
I don't mean a big reduction in the price of beer,
But all the people that you made in your image,
See them starving on their feet,
'Cause they don't get enough to eat

From God,
I can't believe in you.

Dear God,
sorry to disturb you,
but I feel that I should be heard loud and clear.
We all need a big reduction in amount of tears,
And all the people that you made in your image,
See them fighting in the street,
'Cause they can't make opinions meet,
About God,
I can't believe in you.

Did you make disease, and the diamond blue?
Did you make mankind after we made you?
And the devil too!

Dear God,
Don't know if you noticed,
But your name is on a lot of quotes in this book.
Us crazy humans wrote it, you should take a look,
And all the people that you made in your image,
Still believing that junk is true.
Well I know it ain't and so do you,
Dear God,
I can't believe in,
I don't believe in,

I won't believe in heaven and hell.
No saints, no sinners,
No Devil as well.
No pearly gates, no thorny crown.
You're always letting us humans down.
The wars you bring, the babes you drown.
Those lost at sea and never found,
And it's the same the whole world 'round.
The hurt I see helps to compound,
that the Father, Son and Holy Ghost,
Is just somebody's unholy hoax,
And if you're up there you'll perceive,
That my heart's here upon my sleeve.
If there's one thing I don't believe in...

It's you,
Dear God.

t]fH98oV4UirMt]

[Foxtrot Oscar]

I IS SICK!

Where are my pills and lotionz.

Fox.

[Yo Mama]

It rubs teh lotionz on its skinz ...

[1972]

http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/n-z/sotl/sotl_shot5l.jpg

[Kacen]

Atheists tend to and can be arrogant snobs.

So are fundamentalists of any religion.

[Yo Mama]

Yawn, the same old tired atheism is a religion insult.

C'mon Kacen, you can do better than that, having been an atheist yourself, surely?

[skunk]

Yawn, the same old tired atheism is a religion insult.

C'mon Kacen, you can do better than that, having been an atheist yourself, surely?

Atheism IS a belief system however; nonbelief in a higher power. That is not quite the same as an organized religion as all atheists have different viewpoints.

The same way a fundamental christian BELIEVES jeebus is his savior, the atheist BELIEVES there is nothing else besides themselves and science.

A fundamental one at that :) . Ah fundy mental atheists. I love it.

That's dogma if I ever heard of it my friends :D :smokin:

[Yo Mama]

As I said, the atheism is a religion argument is boring because it's not true.

It's just a way to insult people like me.

That's fine; keep it up.

I have my little list.

[skunk]

I never said it was a religion, but a belief system. Read GN :)

[JiveTurkey]

I never said it was a religion, but a belief system. Read GN :)



He might not have said it...but I will.


Atheism IS as much a religion as any other.

Some take it wayyyyy too seriously and very much to heart.

Why is it that some of us who don't believe in god spend so much time collaborating and attempting to bring about his downfall?

I hate the label "atheist".

While I am an "atheist" by technical standards....I don't call myself one these days.

Almost as bad as calling myself christian when I step back and look at the way some non-believers behave when it comes to "the god debate".



j

[skunk]

I have definitely been an atheist during parts of my life. I absolutely hated the catholic church and wanted to have nothing to do with it.

Now that I've gone through a spiritual renaissance of sorts, I don't feel the same way.

The word god is so overused and doesn't describe the true nature of reality. "God" implies a male deity that is somewhat separate from us. I believe more in oneness and divinity in all things, living and nonliving.

[Kacen]

I'm not a pagan anymore, I'm a deist. Paganism was a little phase. Paganism is just as much bullshit as any of the Abrahamic religions it's just aesthetically better.

But it's still retarded in other ways.

Deism is the only logical belief.

I was first an atheist, then agnostic, then pagan, now deist.

[mojo]

Actually wouldn't Atheism be classed as a non-belief system. :)

[JiveTurkey]

Actually wouldn't Atheism be classed as a non-belief system. :)


Isn't a belief in non-believing still a belief?



:P

[mojo]

Actually wouldn't Atheism be classed as a non-belief system. :)


Isn't a belief in non-believing still a belief?



:P

I don't believe so.

[Martian Exile]

When an atheist dies, the Great Pooh Bear likes to tickle them until they agree to be reborn as a mother with a distructo boy who throws smushed up peas on the wall, until she sees the Invisible Pink Unicorn in a dried pea schmeer. Then the little boy becomes an angel, and the convert mother lives forever in a cannabis bliss.

:smokin:

[skunk]

When an atheist dies, the Great Pooh Bear likes to tickle them until they agree to be reborn as a mother with a distructo boy who throws smushed up peas on the wall, until she sees the Invisible Pink Unicorn in a dried pea schmeer. Then the little boy becomes an angel, and the convert mother lives forever in a cannabis bliss.

:smokin:

Have you been taking your funny pills recently? You're getting better at this humor stuff...Or maybe I'm just paying attention now?

GN: Nonbelief is pretty much the same thing as a belief. You believe that something doesn't exist, whereas jesus freaks et all believe something does exist.

2 sides to the same coin.

Both 'belief' systems.

[Martian Exile]

Awww shucks, thanks BS, yer my bro.

[Kacen]

Atheism is reactionary.

You can not be an atheist without the "idea"/"theory" of God being out there.

[Foxtrot Oscar]

I'm not a pagan anymore, I'm a deist. Paganism was a little phase. Paganism is just as much bullshit as any of the Abrahamic religions it's just aesthetically better.

But it's still retarded in other ways.

Deism is the only logical belief.

I was first an atheist, then agnostic, then pagan, now deist.

You change your mind more often than I change my pants.

Fox

[Yo Mama]

Actually, deism isn't "logical." It assumes a force that cannot be quantified or measured, which takes it out of the realm of reason and into the realm of belief. Belief without evidence isn't logical.

Just saying. :P

[skunk]

There is no logical reason to believe or not believe. It is emotional, petty, and short-sighted.

Until there is undeniable proof of a higher power, which will not suffice even for some, an atheist has its place. While I do not agree with the idea that we are alone in this universe and there's nothing connecting us, I will admit I do not believe in a god in the sky.

God is something that I cannot describe, no human can. It is in my opinion ultimately unknowable in its totality. You might be able to glimpse a portion of it, just like we can see a portion of a person's personality, but never all of it.

In my belief/opinion, the connection between all living and nonliving things is what constitutes a 'higher power.' The word higher is a misnomer as it implies something separate. God is not separate from us.

[1972]

God is something that I cannot describe, no human can. It is in my opinion ultimately unknowable in its totality. You might be able to glimpse a portion of it, just like we can see a portion of a person's personality, but never all of it.

Yet humanity has done just that when they named it "God".
Putting a name with the faceless.
Trying to describe the unknowable.

Though I am not an atheist, so I will shut it.
My beliefs are my own.

[skunk]

Humanity has done horrible things in the name of religion, huge difference there. While they may think they're doing 'god's work', as Bush thinks with Iraq (but god told me to invade), they are really fulfilling needs that are lacking with terrible strategies (gotta throw in nonviolent communication heh).

[RevSamuelTopHatJack]

So far two pwersons have recieved tratments online. I use African proverbs quite a bit as we are located in Port Elizabeth South Africa.

Akantu karokubhabaza ukabhinze karagaruka. (Shubi)

Kitu kinachodhamiria kukudhuru, kitakudhuru hata kama utakikwepa. (Literal Swahili Translation)

Ajali haina kinga. (Figurative Swahili Translation)

It is difficult to escape a trap set against you even if you try to avoid it. (Literal English Translation)

The thing that will hurt you will always keep on coming back even if you try to avoid it. (Figurative English translation)

In my line of work as an Atheologist I am frequently assaulted by rabid atheists. Most of the posts in this thread are assaults when I, as a healer am trying to cure their sufferung. We can't avoid all the attacks in life as seen in this Shubi proverb. We can't please everybody, especailly Godless heathens. Even unconsciously we may provoke reactions from others. This is part of the reality of our every day life. Yet our decisions can still come from our high level of moral and ideal conscience. This touches the point of our personal vocation, which presents a formibidle challenge in atheology.

Jesus did not shrink from his destiny and neither do I. Atheism is a chronic disease of the soul. Jesus knew that His person was the true Sanctuary of Yahweh, His Father. He offered Himself as a holocaust. Attacking the structures of the Jewish system, Jesus knew clearly that he will be swept out by the authorities and he announced this three times to his disciples. Humbly he faced the moment. Jesus answered them, "The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified. Unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains just a single grain; but if it dies, it bears much fruit" (John 12:23-24).

There are many examples of heroic Christian persons who openly faced the threats of their persecutors such as Maximilian Kolbe in Germany, Maria Goretti in Italy, Sister Clementine Anwarite in Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC) and the young boy Kizito in Uganda. They chose to receive the mortal arrow rather than to escape and remain safe. They followed in the Jesus' footsteps.

[Yo Mama]

Yup, you're a fundy all right. I can tell by the hubris and downright arrogance in your post.

Pride goeth before a fall.

Quit stinking up the forum.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/Kali_Ma/New%20Stuff%20from%202005%20on/trollspraysmall.jpg

[Yo Mama]

Hey! The troll spray really worked! LMAO

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

He said godless heathens like it's a bad thing...

[1972]

He said godless heathens like it's a bad thing...

Exactly.
It isn't.

I think it is funny.
I do not feel the need to push my beliefs or views on to anyone.
But Jesus Juice does.
Which is fine the first time around.
But after I have said, "Kindly trip and go fuck yourself." They should leave me and mine alone.

Little did they know that they are doing exactly what their God doesn't want them to do.
Our way or no way.
I'll take a bullet first.

Am I the only person who tires of these close minded fucktards?
There is no truth but their truth even though there are many different truths to be had.

Jesus is coming, hurry up everybody look busy!

[vckums]

In my line of work as an Atheologist I am frequently assaulted by rabid atheists. Most of the posts in this thread are assaults when I, as a healer am trying to cure their sufferung.


I've never see a rabid atheist? What are the symptoms?

How do you know htey are suffering? I close my eyes and listen really hard for screaming,but I hear nothing.

[1972]

Besides all this bullshit:

Atheologist isn't even a fucking word!

You can't just go around making shit up!
Oh wait, do you see the irony in that last sentence?

Fuck, I am funny.

[Yo Mama]

Fuck, I am funny.

There, there. Looks aren't everything.

I still love you, weirdo. :P

[skunk]

In my line of work as an Atheologist I am frequently assaulted by rabid atheists.


Wow that was funny. I'm glad I wasn't the only one who noticed 'atheologist'.

What is an atheologist perchance?

[Yo Mama]

I have a vid, too!

0]w3eTsNEgmL80]

[mojo]

I'm rabid, but it has nothing to do with being an atheist.

Perhaps i might set up a clinic like the reverends and go around offering to cure christians of their delusions, oh no wait, we don't do that shit!

haha

[Slim]

don't forget the big ones of arrogance and overwhelming self-righteousness.

Those are the side effects I really hate.

I have issues with this too in regards to those who never fail to remind everyone that they are "Born Again"... or whatever. It's extremely annoying when they do that but to me, it's like they are trying to tell you that they are a "better person" than you are and I find that appalling!

Nevertheless, I've found that the more such people try to push their beliefs onto others, the more in question they are about their own beliefs. Many of them think that if they can convince a "non-believer" (someone who does not believe what they do) that they are right and other person is wrong, then this resolves any of their own questions they have about what they have chosen to believe in and if they are really on the right track or not.

I also have issues with their constant ongoing critiques of those belief systems outside of their own. They will, for example, accuse Catholics of idolatry because they pray in front of statues of Jesus and Mary -- but they fail to see the "block" in their own eye in their own form of idolatry in that they "worship a book" -- (the Bible).

And on the political front having to do with the Moral Majority... lol, don't even get me started on that one!

[1972]

I was in a church on Friday last.

It was worse than I remember.

We are all doomed.

Game over man.

[Kacen]

I'm a deist, so I believe in God, but not in the Christian/Abrahamic sense.

I also sympathize with atheists because I was once one, so I understand why they think the way they do.

I don't think they are going to hell if hell does exist. With all the bullshit going on right now, I understand atheism. It's reactionary.

[Yo Mama]

For you, it was reactionary.

For me and others, it is something else.

Just to clear that up.

[1972]

For you, it was reactionary.

For me and others, it is something else.

Just to clear that up.

Must you be so militant?

Though I think you may be right.
From an agnostics point of view.
Something brought me here.
I just do not know what it was.
Now our fates are glued together.
Like the Two Corey's!!

I'm Feldman, you're Haim

[Kacen]

Fact of the matter is, stuff is here, something INTELLIGENT had at one time worked to make everything. It's only logical. Maybe it isn't guiding things now, but it set things in motion and programmed things. I think your problem and the problem with most atheists is that when they think of the concept of God they think of the Christian God which is quite frankly hypocritical and unfair, so to be honest I understand atheists.

[1972]

Fact of the matter is, stuff is here, something INTELLIGENT had at once time worked to make everything. It's only logical. Maybe it isn't guiding things now, but it set things in motion and programmed things. I think your problem is and the problem with most atheists is that when they think of the concept of God they think of the Christian God which is quite frankly hypocritical and unfair, so to be honest I understand atheists.

YOUR logic is not everyone else's logic. That my friend is logical.

Christian, smishtian.
So this 5 year old gets an ant farm, then gets tired of it and leaves?
I don't buy it.

[Yo Mama]

Again, Kacen, you're projecting.

I reject ALL gods. I spent time doing sweat lodge for crying out loud and didn't find god there either.

The universe is just too random to be anything other than random.

I think it's beautiful just the way it is, without the invisible prize inside.

[apeci]

Life is in the licks. :)

[theeindiee]

There seems to be no balance in the argument here.

One says God (in the classical sense) exists, jesus is saviour, that's the way it is, and if you don't believe it, you're a heathen.

One says god doesn't exist and the material world is all there is to behold, and anyone who believes in a higher power needs medication...or possibly less medication... or whatever petty thing you wanna stoop to to defend your position. No offense, anyone, but insulting believers isn't gunna get us anywhere.

There IS a balance. Kacen... why would God create something and then not use it somehow?

We can work with believers, because somewhere between the "wrong" and "right" is the truth.

We must find this truth, because it will set us free. We cannot be a slave to a God, but we also cannot lose hope in faithlessness or get too caught up in shallow materialism.

left wing, atheists; right wing, True believers; and what is the middle ground? The middle ground is faith.... not the same as belief. To have faith is to know that everything is going to be okay no matter what.

How can you know everything is going to okay in such gloomy times, walking around, thinking THIS is where their end lies? You can't. You can only have shallow, self serving behavior and hopeless fearful drones of the day's word, or some combination or shade of the two.

There is a source, GN. If there was no source there would be no river flowing.

Look into sacred geometry, the Fibonacci sequence, the spiral, the flower of life, fractals, the left and right eye of Horus, string theory, quantum physics, kundalini masters...

If there was no power behind faith, there would be no faith, GN. There would be no reason to exist if it weren't for the next step.

Whether you get there through Jesus, Buddah, Krishna, Muhammed... at the heart of all religions lies the same message. The esoteric part of religion is what you are ignoring. You are just taking people who have no idea about what their religion was actually based on and lumping them in with anyone else who has faith in something higher. That's the church's fault. It's not Jesus who twisted and falsified his own words. Don't tarnish him. I know for sure he was a wonderful being.

Being Jesus myself, if I were to be resurrected here and now... I'd go up to a priest and be like "What the fuck did you people do, ya fucking stupid asshole!?! I love you eternally, but go burn on a fiery anus rotisserie, you disgrace to The Word!"

Remember... they slaughtered all the Gnostic Christians before re-writing the scripture and reconfiguring the teachings into the oppressive religion we have today. Same with every teaching or shamanistic practice. The original teachers and followers were slaughtered, and their knowledge was stolen and used for the benefit of the elite, all while they retooled the knowledge into the exact opposite of what it really was saying, so that not only do they enslave the people by belief without true knowing, but they eventually ruin the good name and the positive message of the original teachers.

God does exist... just not in the form you've rejected.

EDIT: to add I walked away for like a while and just now posted what I wrote... so I'll review it.

[Yo Mama]

Oh, crap.

They used to not know what thunder was and said it was god bowling.

Just because something is, doesn't mean anybody made it.

It's time to grow up and get beyond this egocentric need to be so special that there's a being that made things for us and our benefit, because, ultimately, that's all this is. More wish fulfillment and desire to be special.

Well, we are all special. We've evolved over billions of years against chance and disaster.

That's special enough.

You say there's a god, and I say prove it. All I get is semantics after that "there HAS to be a source."

Why does there? Because you think there has to be?

God is a concept for primitive people. We are no longer primitive. The sooner we get over these notions of supreme beings the sooner we'll be able to work on survival of the species.

[theeindiee]

The proof is the geometric nature and precision of everything.

There's no way all of this developed by random chaos.
Everything happens by a mathematical sequence. How is this random?

[theeindiee]

Nothing is special. It's all equal.

We are not special, yet we are integral to the whole because EVERYTHING is connected to everything else, and this is not just about humanity. It's about the stars and the oceans and the rocks and the grass and even the highways and the corpses who in death provide more life.

Yeah it is beautiful, GN... but what is the random meaningless purpose of beauty if there's no consciousness to view it?

What is your purpose here if there is no higher purpose?

What is meaning? What is beholding? What is art? What is music? What is knowledge?

What is all of this heavy stuff which humans hold so near and dear if this is all truly random chaos?

Nothing this perfect ever happens by chance. You will always find perfection in imperfection, whether it be through its beauty or through some mathematical brilliance that makes it all possible.

This IS the ultimate conspiracy. Who are you?

[Kacen]

The Great Architect of the Universe only wishes we think logically...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism

http://www.deism.com/

I've said all I can, this would do better.

[Martian Exile]

Your misconception GN, is that you think all non atheists think all of this was made for them, no… just the fundies believe that.

Who said they made it for us? They made it for their own purpose; we are just the termites eating away at their good works. Yet even termites evolve if not slowly; we have been here but for a short time, and like termites, our evolution is limited. We have a long way to go to catch up with them.

You say that we are no longer primitive, yet every culture in the past has thought the same thing. They thought themselves modern, and each batch of ethnocentric egotists believed all of their predecessors primitive. You my dear are primitive, for centuries from now that batch of ethnocentric egotists will think of you (and the rest of us) as a band of primitives. This is one of the concepts of the primitive ego of ethnocentricity that bugs me the most. Human sentience, human nature, human intelligence, and human abilities have remained constant for over a quarter million years.

You often bring up your own search, and the fact that big daddy never answered you. “Big daddy never answered me, so he-it, does not exist.” Using that logic, politicians do not exist. How many letters must you send to get a reply that you know for certain is not canned?

You say prove it. How does a microbe living in the roots of a lichen on a rock in the desert prove to another microbe that a butterfly exits?

[Bitchkoma]

Oh, bravo Martian! You've touched pretty much everything I would've said. And props to Kacen, too. I agree with you this time.

Looks like this thread is starting to turn out okay. See, atheists and non-atheists can discuss religion without belittling each other. Let's have it this way from now on, shall we?

[theeindiee]

Who are you?

It's the ultimate paradox, and it is beyond the realm of traditional logic. Traditional logic sees everything as separate an only related by observable cause and effect. Observable cause and effect is very limited in its ability to see the whole scenario, because as corporeal beings in the 3rd dimension (I use that term loosely... you can't quantify infinity), we're only seeing the tip of the iceburg.

Tadpoles and larvae, in each stage of our evolution, in the micro and macro worlds, growing out of one shell and into the next, into infinity... and if we are all infinite, then we cannot truly be quantified by finite logic.

Your answers (proof!!!) lie in contemplating patterns, shapes, colors, tones, vibrations, harmonics, numbers, and sequences... they are all holographic in nature and can be superimposed upon one another infinitely. Energy cannot be destroyed. It only changes form. Every type of energy is always evolving from one thing to the next.

We are infinitely repeating, infinitely growing fractal harmonics of ourselves.

I say study tonal harmonics, fractals, sacred geometry, holograms, the fibonacci sequence, the golden ratio, multi-dimensional reality, string theory (it's got its flaws), the spiral, and meditate on them..... even the big bang theory is suggestive of something higher than this, because it suggests that forces outside of the known physical universe took nothing and in an instant, created something out of that nothing. Alchemy of the creator... or possibly the creator of the creator..... or possibly the creator of the creator of the creator of the creator over and over and over again.

I'm loosely referencing something in the next few sentences that I read the other day that rang as true for me because it stated what I haven't yet put into a communicable concept:

We all started out as an omnipresence with no sense of form,, duality, sequence... represented mathematically by the number 0, the whole.... the blank white light slate of undifferentiated consciousness/source energy. Then singularity happens (the number 1. Followed by duality, represented by another number 1), then comes Trinity...1,1,2... meaning {two}{singularities}{coming together} to form another... this is when it gets interesting... because it looks like creation follows the sequence of the Fibonacci sequence after that...
0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55, etc...... which in turn created this ever expanding spiral of the creations of the previous two numbers, each number simultaneously multiplying and deviding up higher and down lower, spiraling into into infinity, creating length, width, height,...

and that's a very very primitive way, using numbers as an illustration, to explain creation. It's a giant mathematical programmed sequence, into which the omnipresence entered being. The omnipresence IS everything.

The point I'm trying to make is that some logical force had to design this mathematical pattern of creation, because you can only make something out of nothing if you think of it first. Thought creates reality, and each thought creates the next thought, and each thought in itself has the potential for all other thoughts after it, and the kinetic energy from all thoughts before it. Each thought that we have is the potential energy of what we create... so thoughts are all holographic (or fractal) versions of the thoughts prior to and following each other.
So.... in the very end, that means that every single thing in existence IS the same thing, because it is the fraction of the whole AND the whole at the same time.

You are God, constantly growing, constanly "dying" and being resurrected as the next tonal harmonic in the ever-evolving sequence. Expansion and contraction are illusions. separation is an illusion. Birth, death, time, space....all illusions. The only thing that truly exists is God.
This is God's art.... and "he" uses it to constantly grow and become his next grand idea.

We are all equal.... even the ants. That makes everything the most precious thing that ever existed... unfortunately, even the bad stuff... but God is always challenging himself with the next obstacle, because that's how he learns to become whole again.

So try your hardest to see everything as your own, for you are the only one you truly know with full certainty is observing it. If you see yourself in everyone else, the compassion and love and harmony and healing that Jesus was talking about will begin to unfold within you.

Jesus was real. His message was real. I've been living it, slowly unfolding day by day... and there's no doubt in my mind....out of infinite probability and love for being here and embracing the illusion of being.... that if I were God, I would realize just how lost my creations had become from themselves, that I would reincarnate myself in a physical body to come to my creations and tell them that they have nothing to fear, and it will all be okay, and to love everyone as you would yourself, because in the end they are yours, you are theirs, and I am Yours as you are mine.

Do you get what I'm trying to tell ALL of you?

The bickering is pointless, because there is only one truth.

The omnipresent state of change. We're all in that state of omnipresence, then... we've just gotta remember.

Disguise the I in you. That's what the ego is for. The devils on your back that tell you to take a little more, treat this person a little better or worse then that person, say something to look clever, make them like you, do this or you'll starve and your family will die and blame it on you, stay here in the comfort zone or else bad things will happen to you, buy this because they say you need it, yada yada. It is the stagnator, and it has turned this world upside down with its stubborn greedy selfishness. Ego kills creativity because it is a small finite force, up against eternal change.

You are God. You should know better than to trust the lullabye of permanence, or the over-assuredness of the finite versions of yourself.

here's an inspiring video that I found, maybe to help motivate you all:

y]<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/yQ3Hk7AZFT0&hl=en"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/yQ3Hk7AZFT0&hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>y]

This isn't about religion OR spirtuality. This is about here and now, and labeling like this just separates us from what it all is even more. Don't separate any of it. Don't ignore any message just because it conflicts with your ego. I define ego as the part of yourself which stagnates and closes you off to infinity... the mask of assuredness in a world you can never be sure of).
Others may have different viewpoints...

anyway... I've been typing for a while now, really putting all my thought into every word... so I'm pooped. It's late, early, ummm yeah sure... how about both?

namaste, my little schpoonsbenderz.

[boycotteverything]

a belief in god does in no way validate any religious principle. it says nothing about all the pseudo-philosophical speculations concerning eschatology or the various fantasy jesoids that religions have established out of whole cloth. so i ask you- what the fuck difference does it make? just be kind to one-another and to the earth. we don't need no steenking god to know the benefits of that. ok kids?

[Martian Exile]

Indy, Lest someone incapable of reason at a higher level accuses you of being a space cadet, I want to say that I understood ever word of your 7/1/11:29 post.

I hope that you save this stuff on paper, we cannot rely on digital nonsense forever. Save it for posterity, for as you grow, you begin to sound like St Augustine. Wouldn’t it be something if our own Indie was an incarnation of the great Coptic Hermit, St Anthony of the Desert. Like the robot in the Twilight Zone says, “Yes, it is all coming back to me now…"

[1972]

72, Lest someone incapable of reason at a higher level accuses you of being a space cadet, I want to say that I understood ever word of your 7/1/11:29 post.

I hope that you save this stuff on paper, we cannot rely on digital nonsense forever. Save it for posterity, for as you grow, you begin to sound like St Augustine. Wouldn’t it be something if our own 72 was an incarnation of the great Coptic Hermit, St Anthony of the Desert. Like the robot in the Twilight Zone says, “Yes, it is all coming back to me now…"

How is this to be taken Martian?

I do write most of what I think down.
I have for years.
If you haven't, you should go to member writing and read the things I say.

Unless it was all subtle sarcasm.
:smokin:

[mojo]

lmao, even the rev couldn't stand us for more than 2 posts.

:jedi2:


ohhh and some original indiee classics.

[Mungodave]

I think thats from before my time...... nice bump.