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mojo
05-22-2008, 01:26 PM
I used to think that a persons character, morals, values etc were determined by the enviroment in which they were raised.
Now i'm not so sure.
As an example i'm going to use my family, specifically my 4 kids. My wife would kill me if she knew i was discussing them as some sort of social experiment. :)

Our first child is nearly eleven now and we went through all the same issues first time parents went through, wondering if we were doing the right things and so on. Now nearly eleven years later it turns out that i think we did a pretty good job. She's a great kid, is regularly in the top 1/2 of her classes academically, is well mannered and responsible.

Four years after the eldest we had twins and we pretty much followed the same formula which seemed to have worked well with the first ie reading to them, playing music to them, providing a happy healthy enviroment etc etc.
The twins are now seven and are in the top 5% of all their subjects at school and are both reading at a twelve year old level according to the school's testing.
Likewise they are both fantastically well mannered kids and have a great social standing among their peers.

Five years later along comes number four, well, you'd think that what seemed to have worked for the other three would also work for the newest addition.
Not so.
She is nearly three now and if i didn't know any better i would suggest that she was the spawn of Satan and not really our child. (still love her dearly of course). She is the complete opposite of all of our other children.

Nothing has changed for us since the birth of our first child up until now, the enviroment they have all grown up in is basically the same yet she seems hell bent on the destruction of the earth. :)

All of the kids are girls so there is no gender difference to take into consideration.

So now i'm starting to believe that perhaps we are not a product of our enviroment after all, perhaps our character is formed at conception, genetically inherited.
I often hear the comment that children are blank slates just waiting for their character to be written according to the enviroment in which their raised, and i believed that this was so after our first three.
Since the anti-christ has come to live with us however i'm not so sure.

What do think?

Btw, my tongue is firmly placed in my cheek when describing her, she is as cute as a button and i love her to death.

mojo

Boondock
05-22-2008, 01:53 PM
i think everyone is a product of their environment...you have to keep in mind though that your 3 year olds environment is not the same as your other kids. your 11 year old was the first. then the twins come along and their environment is different cause of the 11 year old. now you have a 3 year old that is going through a different environment than the other kids...see what i am saying?

also, peoples brains are wired differently.
they are all unique with unique environments cause they view these environments in their own way.
you feel me?

nudespook
05-22-2008, 01:56 PM
Not completely. A chunk of genetics and chunk of environment.

Identical twin studies clearly show that even with very similar genetics (at one point 100% identical), environment is still an important factor.

But the notion of Tabula Rasa is as incorrect as extreme genetic determinsm (which few would hold to anyway). However, genes do have a big say in mind and behaviour. Quite a bit of research at the moment assessing the links between genetic variations and brain activity (e.g., alleles of serotonin and dopamine receptors and the frontal lobe). These possibly underpin our tendency for various traits, from risky decision-making to forms of psychopathology.

Bitchkoma
05-22-2008, 02:00 PM
Yeah! You tell 'em how it is, DancingDarwin!

mojo
05-22-2008, 02:05 PM
@ Boon.
Yeah i figure enviroment would have some effect on you after birth, but are your basic character traits predetermined genetically at conception is what i was trying to say in my longwinded OP. :D

Thanks Nudey, i think i got the gist of that. lol.

Boondock
05-22-2008, 02:16 PM
@ Boon.
Yeah i figure enviroment would have some effect on you after birth, but are your basic character traits predetermined genetically at conception iol.


i do think your basic character traits are determined at conception..everyone is genetically different. environment has to play a factor though after birth.
you take that same 3 year old for example and let them get brought up by say your mother and it will be a much different 3 year old...

feel me

mojo
05-22-2008, 02:28 PM
you take that same 3 year old for example and let them get brought up by say your mother and it will be a much different 3 year old...

feel me


Haha...not this one mang...trust me. :D

She be :evil:



:lol:

Boondock
05-22-2008, 02:36 PM
you take that same 3 year old for example and let them get brought up by say your mother and it will be a much different 3 year old...

feel me


Haha...not this one mang...trust me. :D

She be :evil:



:lol:
might be more of a lil devil or less of one...maybe your mom lets her get away with more shit. maybe less shit. maybe this or maybe that.
environment plays a part. it has to. all of your kids are in a different environment from their perspective at least.
plus at 2-3 years old they are little fucking hellians anyway

theeindiee
05-22-2008, 10:17 PM
Actually... your environment is a product of you as much as you are a product of your environment.

It all depends on which one you choose to run your life.

It's very simple... yet insanely complicated.

Oh well, it is what it is.

PS- if you were ONLY a product of your environemt, then that means nobody could change anything...for better or for worse.

1972
05-22-2008, 10:48 PM
I assume that you are taklking about nature versus nurture?
Or some semblance of that at least?

To me it is both. It may be naive of me to think this way but I have seem no proof to make me think otherwise. I think my family played a part of how I became me for I am sure I could not have done it on my own. But I have always felt that certain things are engraved in to our being. I do not want to call them morals or values. But yes, I feel that the basic principles of right and wrong are there from the beginning. Haven't you ever done something at some point in your life that no one ever told you that you should or should not do? Lets say for arguements sake that it was wrong. But you/I do not really know this, until we do it. We do not get caught or in any way in trouble yet we still feel the wrongness of the act. Is it guilt or was it already there and our inner being or what ever you want to call it, knew that it was wrong?

It is purely conjecture on my part, of course. Though how many people do we all know from all walks of live that either made some sort of good life for themselves and their families or completely fucked it up for everyone around them? Good family background = bad seed just as much as bad family background = solving world hunger.

Or I am completely nuts.

Bitchkoma
05-23-2008, 04:41 AM
Or I am completely nuts.

Since that's the simpler explanation, I'm gonna go with that.

Oblivion
05-23-2008, 08:32 AM
@ Boon.
Yeah i figure enviroment would have some effect on you after birth

i thought that shit went into the medical waste bin and was incinerated in the hospital basement? :?:

other than that i think what some said is true, its a bit of both enviroment and upbringing.

you can have the best upbringing but if something bad happened in your enviroment it may affect you in the long term.

mojo
05-23-2008, 09:05 AM
@ Boon.
Yeah i figure enviroment would have some effect on you after birth

i thought that shit went into the medical waste bin and was incinerated in the hospital basement? :?:



That was stolen embryo's i think.

1972
05-23-2008, 05:50 PM
Or I am completely nuts.

Since that's the simpler explanation, I'm gonna go with that.

Fuck you Seal!

I has your Ockham's Razor right here bitch!

mojo
12-27-2009, 11:00 PM
the 3 year old is now nearly 5 and small horns have begun to grow out of her head.

Alessandra
12-28-2009, 02:03 AM
Obviously inherited from the father. :P

forestlady
12-28-2009, 11:01 AM
Hey Mojo: I have some experience with this myself. I was adopted and never knew my dad. When I was 36, I went on a search for my birth dad and found him. It amazed me how much alike we were. We had the same philosophy of life, political views, behaviors and sense of humor. I look very much like him and his mother (my grandmo). Meanwhile, the family I grew up in was the exact opposite of my dad and myself in every why you can imagine.
I could only conclude that a person's basic personality is something one is born with. Environment can influence it, but if a person is stubborn, that is something that is probably part of the core personality, not an acquired trait. He/she would still be stubborn no matter where and how they grew up.
Now I'm married to an identical twin; they both grew up together in the same household, went thru the same experiences together, yet have some pretty big personality differences.
Hope this helps.
forestlady

Alessandra
12-28-2009, 11:05 AM
probably explains why I'm so bad with money.

I'll blame my bio dad. Where ever he is.