back and forth... the SKATS express....

[theeindiee]

Okay....

I went back to SKATS.

Now, someone is calling me a sockpuppet dissenter, and it's irritating the fuck out of me.

So, here's my official announcement that I'm gunna let you fuckers have your wars of words, and I'm just gunna wait for someone else to expose the shit if it's for real.

Somebody should, if these claims are worth their weight in salt!

Ya know, I came here to discuss things that were being overrun by rampant ignorance on the other site, but I've noticed problems here, too.

This is a conspiracy related website, yet at least half of all the stuff is de-railed off-topic stuff... and I'm getting impatient. Where's the "red pill"? Where's the shit that's gunna floor us all.

Where's John Lear? Does he feel like the lolligagging is taking away from the true purpose of why we are all here? Don't get me wrong, I like messing around and cussing and being light and fluffy, but I'm not here to rebel against ATS. I'm pissed because I got banned for some BS, for questioning things LEGITEMATELY, and I'm being called a sock puppet for it... and then I think, wait well... if I'd never stumbled upon the request to join this site, would I ever have even thought to care about the times I had suspicions about ATS before?

I wonder, has someone taken advantage of my misperception of random problems that any large forum might have?

Is John Lear just bitter? Is everyone here just bitter? Am I just bitter? I shouldn't even care. It's just a website... but it's somewhere to get real ideas about the world heard and to absorb new ideas, both here and there... and the biggest hub for that is ATS. It is such a valuable tool, for those who are on a path and have the clues in order to continue further. I'm just so pissed because now I'm starting to wonder if I've been caught up for a whirl.

I've been banned for sticking my neck out for a cause, not because I was sockpuppetting for you guys, but because you guys made me think and made me look at the picture in a slightly wider scope.... but either way, if somebody is trying to make this site here into some sort of ATS-rival direction (which from all looks of it, how can this be any sort of rival to that mammoth?), I've been used, and my growing opinions of dissent have been used to further an agenda...which.... is just frickin stupid. It's frickin internet websites. It's frickin fake value everybody is after... and it causes the worst to come out of people... so who can you trust?

I'm not even accusing anyone... just thinking.

I'm really surprised by the person who called me a sock puppet dissenter.

Do they call everyone from here a sock puppet dissenter?

Goos, why did you choose me to invite here anyway?

[theeindiee]

Also... I find it irritating that, at SKATS, in the TnC, one of the first things it says is basically that you can talk all you want, as long as no action is taken. What is the point, then? What the hell, so the whole concept of denying ignorance is defeated, because we're locked in debate, and no one of like mind can really come together and do something about it!

Maybe that's why the PTB aren't too worried about it. The thing they are worried about is people questioning these things.

Fuck, man! I'm doing it again. I'm trying to deny what I know is fishy! I know better than this. Why am I fighting it?



I need evidence, I think. Like... at least september 11th had evidence that it was all a lie. I just have some shoddy experiences with ... I'll do it for you... SOHAI!!!... and ...

Do most of you actually really know what it is like to KNOW everything around you is basically a lie? Do you know how it feels to have to lie to yourself constantly just to try and stay sane? I mean... the ATS thing... I dunno why it is affecting me so much. It's not the site or that I miss it or any of that, at the heart of it all. It's the fact that way too much weird and out there and fucked up shit has been slowly added to tip the scale for me, and this last little whateverthefuck with SKATS has just pretty much almost toppled my sanity, because I know it's true. I know there's moles there, and there could be bigger problems in the shadows of their headquarters somewhere, and it makes everything much more REAL. I am on fake version of reality overload now, and I can't really decide whether to stay on present course and see where I land, or whether to abandon this whole "alternative research/hidden knowledge" boat, and just start denying anything but convenience and the status quo.

I just sometimes wanna go back to being stupid.

[Yo Mama]

Indy, the reason most of us are doing off topic stuff is because after what we went through over there, we're burnt out on conspiracy for now.

There have been conspiracy threads started, and they're being posted in. As more people join us, more conspiracies will come up.

Nobody is going to bash you for going back there, unlike people over there. We don't care if you belong to both sites.

A word of advice though: you're going to make yourself nuts by trying to force something that has its own momentum. Even if you're 100% right about what's going on in the world, stressing yourself out about it isn't going to do any good. You need stamina and endurance for a long haul.

Nobody here used you. We all had friends over there, and when people came here, they just passed the word along. This wouldn't be an issue if that other place was being fair to people instead of worrying about their bottom line.

Let us know what you decide in the long run. If you decide to leave here, we'll miss you, but you'll always find a door open for your return.

[Foxtrot Oscar]

I'll bite...

Who called you a sock puppet then?

Fox

[theeindiee]

You wanna know?

I was a bit surprised because I respected the guy and his posts for so long...

Skyfloating.

I was like "Holy shit, dude! Low blow!"

Intrepid attacked a little, too...

but dude then skepticoverlord emailed me... I dunno what's going on, I've got everyone emailing me.... and he was actuallly really nice, which totally contradicted everything that just had happened... and I have just been asking him questions, but hmm I dunno he lifted my post ban on the new account... so I must have proven a point to somebody... either that or they want me to go at it again just so they can sqay "we told you to stop, so now you're permanently banned".

I dunno, but I'm back at the place, so I'll be in both worlds, I guess.

Oh well.

I still wanna know what's up over there, but I guess people more intimately involved with the whole situation are in a better place to reveal things of that nature. My head spins when thinking about it.

[Martian Exile]

This is my first forum. John Lear got me here. I had never even been to the “other site”. After reading all the stuff about it I took a peek at the home page. My first impression was that it was first and foremost a commercial site, so TRUE conspiracy would naturally be discouraged. Car and Driver magazine would not stay in print very long if it bashed all of it’s sponsors. Don’t expect any more than that from them.

You will live a very short life if you let stress drag you down. At a very early age I had figured out that the US was one of the most corrupt nations in the world. In a polly-sci class in the mid seventies I wrote a paper that the US would, in my lifetime, become just another third world banana republic.

When I was your age I was just as worked up as you over the fuckedupness of the world. All I wanted to be was a hermit. My first boss and I were riding fence horse back, and he asked me what I wanted to do with my live. I told him that I wanted to be a hermit in the Panamint Mountains on “patented land” so no mother fucker could take it away from me. He said “mark my words, before your life is though, the bastards will find a way to take it from you though eminent domain.” True to his words, the Park Service doubled the size of the near by Death Valley, and the private land was seized. I am VERY bitter about it. The US is one very fucked up nation. After I blew up my TV with five sticks of 60% nitro dynamite, I would listen to the BBC world service. A guy named Alistair Cook had a show on Sunday nights called “A letter from America.” One night he explained to the world that the US was the last hold out of Fascism. He explained that during the 1930’s when Peron, Mussolini, and Hitler was rising to power, so was FDR. He said that the people of the US were unique in that we are the only Fascist regime in the world whose populace are blind to the fact that we are indeed, Fascists.

If you want to make a difference in this world, let the other site go, it’s just commercial tripe anyway. Then focus your energy on writing good conspiracy pieces on this site. Join Mojo and I writing in the non-chatter forums and build the site up from scratch. It will beat the other fate awaiting you, that of ending up under a bridge abutment wondering where your next bottle of thunderbird will come from. Stress will do that to you.

[theeindiee]

Martian.... I have wanted to blow up my TV with dynamite for so long! That you actually went and DID it, it's fuckin' awesome.

Really, the only reason I re-joined is because some people post really good stuff over there, and I didn't want the ads and crap, and also I like posting small replies anyway... so meh....

but yes, I'll be devoting my real thoughtfulness to here... because at least here, I don't get attacked by a bunch of little children and people still living exclusively in the material world who have NO idea whatsoever the reality of things.

Like here I can say "fuck the USA! It should be overthrown and society as a whole should go back to living with nature!" and people won't guilt trip me about "Oh you're a dumbass. I've been to third world countries. You should be grateful."

If I havd been to a third world country, I think I'd feel even more strongly than I do now, because I'm not a self centered bastard who treasures all of his expensive things. I have empathy for suffering. Seeing footage of third world countries' suffering is enough to make me break down in tears and anger.

You are right! That other site IS a commercial site, and if you read Ducky's ATS cointelpro post over there, I commented about the exact same thing you just said. My suspicion is WELL founded about their commercial priority, and I just find that aspect of the whole deal a shame.

However... I look at the administrators and I think "What a pity. They are so misguided in an area where they need guidance, and they are shunning it."

I doubt they are bad people at all, but they are being misguided and sheeped as well, along with the rest of us. It's the almighty dollar that's the problem here. The almighty dolllar, and the "people" with big egos that it creates. I put people in quotes, because, in this age of materialism, it seems almost everyone is wearing a costume of a personality.
They are media entertainment people, whattya expect? I feel bad for them because I'm sure it's hard for them to see the big picture, as well as it is anyone with their job and their reputation on the line. Their costumes are so "realistic" that they can't even see through them. Their costume has become their world.

Just because it is a commercial site doesn't mean that there are some really good and deep thinking people still posting over there. I like to follow those threads.

I'm not posting anywhere very much right now because it's this job I have. It completely wipes me out, and I barely have time to think because I'm always so tired. I hope I can regain some of my mental mojo here this weekend and post a good thread.

Go check out Graham Morrison on youtube or google video. Something he talks about has peaked my interest, involving ETs showing him the fifth dimension, in relation to ours... and it is mind blowing because I know exactly what he means, and he's speaking the truth, on that issue anyway. He's associated with the Disinfo people, and I question that company because they ARE associated with the occult and secret societies and stuff, and those types of people tend to tell lies mixed with truth.

But I'll be posting a thread here about dimensions and higher awareness pretty soon, once my brain gets rolling.

-indy out

[mojo]

Indy, theres no problem with being a member of both sites from our point of view, never has been.
Your right, there are some great posters there, there are also some great posters here, its not a competition, its a search for the truth.
The difference is, they are making money from it so their motives are different to ours.

Do what feels right for you mate, whatever that is, we'll still be around.

:)

mojo


( ps....like you i wish that we would concentrate more on some of the conspiracy threads here, but i understand the reason it is not a major focus atm. Remember this site is barely 6 months old, its a work in progress, the balance between off topic chatter and serious conspiracy related threads will shift as we grow i'm sure. )


peas. :D

[mojo]

for jediassfiller.