View Full Version : John Lear's official status on that other site...clarify....
theeindiee
04-26-2008, 12:39 PM
On another site (which I've read that I shouldn't mention by name, even if it's easier to), a certain mod named Sauron has stated that John Lear is not banned, and that he can post whenever he wishes to....
Is this true or not? There is a bigger issue here, and that is this: Is this defection from that other site because of real indecency and scandal? Or are people just irate and looking for revenge?
I'm not taking the mod's word for it, but I'd also like some clarification. I'm not bitter, nor am I banned, but it all makes sense if it's true. It also makes sense if it isn't true. There are possible alterior motives behind each side of the whole "other site" controversy... and I figured I'd ask everyone here who knows what's going on just to lay it all out for me, right here and now. What is going on, and why is it that around every corner lies a reason for bitterness?
I could see why John would be bitter and leave, and then make up a story about being banned... (and officially, he's listed as being an active member... but I'm sure even he knows that)... but I can also see exactly why the other site would wanna cover their butts in an attempt to make their story seem more plausible.
A simple question. Who benefits?
Well... I'm not sure, because I don't know what is at stake here? The truth? Money? Ego? Cult status? It seems both parties have actually something to lose from this deal. John loses his status as conspiracy master at the top conspiracy forum, and the top conspiracy forum loses a big name in the conspiracy world.
Who's been making money off the backs of whom? Well, obviously, ATS dioes... oops. sorry. Do you make a lotta money off of your theories and your (for the purpose of objectivity, I'll use quotes) "insider knowledge", John?
Everything I've seen and heard from you for as long as I've been paying attention has pretty much been free public domain... so I'm under the impression that you don't make a killing off conspiracy theory... at least not anymore. Dunno if you made much money back in the 90's because I wasn't interested in any of this back then.
Anyway... I'd just like to know more about all of this. You can talk here, PM me, anyone, or you can ask for my email and send it to my mail account.
I've just gotten into a bit of a tizzy over at the other site because yet another thread has gone the way of john lear bashing, and I just don't think it's necessary because he's been such a nice guy to those who are civil enough to deserve it, I think... reguardless of what I personally subscribe to regarding the moon or space or whatnot.
Why would there be a malicious campaign against you, John? What did you do to piss the people at the other site off, or vice versa? I'm not gunna post any details on the other site, so anything you or anyone else says WILL stay confidential. I'd just like to know more, because what happened at the other site today just seemed very unruly and harsh, and the mod clearly didn't give a rat's ass about the people bashing John, which.... was odd.
Thanks,
indy
Yo Mama
04-26-2008, 12:46 PM
Start here:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=489&hilit=john+lear+banned (http://amkon.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=489&hilit=john+lear+banned)
JiveTurkey
04-26-2008, 02:41 PM
This
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/menu.html
is also a good place to start.
John's own words.
J
dk3000
04-26-2008, 03:01 PM
I recieved an email (or utu rather) from niteboy on ATS stating why I was banned. However- my account was active and I reported the contents of communications here on another thread. Then, my account was banned, then it was re-activated, then banned again- now supposedly reactivated.
WTF?????
Yes, this is all true. My opinion about all of this is, ATS is trying to make banned members appear to be sour-grape-eating sore losers.
Why would a site ban, then un-ban, then ban again.
It appears to me they are trying to discredit people.
If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, lays eggs and little baby ducks emerge- then IT IS a duck.
To me it is obvious as to what is going on and will continue to go on because THEY don't know how to to anything else. :P
theeindiee
04-26-2008, 05:26 PM
I'd like to add that now I've gotten a warn from both Springer AND Sauron... both for different things. One was for "being off topic". The other was for an "ill mannered post". That's not even the worst thing I've said on ATS, by far. It is probably one of my more stand up posts, actually.
I'm defending somebody's right to freedom at a public domain.
I've called people cocksuckers before without even a warning.
The hole gets deeper.
old school
04-26-2008, 07:58 PM
Who's been making money off the backs of whom? Well, obviously, ATS dioes... oops. sorry. Do you make a lotta money off of your theories and your (for the purpose of objectivity, I'll use quotes) "insider knowledge", John?
Of what I recall, John was making money from his participation in the ATS forum of his. Perhaps you may like to ask him about how much he was making?
In any event, John Lear has contributed nothing but laughable conjecture not worthy of anything more than B-Movie subplots.
Martian Exile
04-26-2008, 08:19 PM
Misteroldschool,
I happen to like John Lear, It is because of him that I landed at this site. So a friendly thumb on my nose, wigly fingers, and a razberry to you.
Mungodave
04-26-2008, 08:28 PM
Straight from the horses mouth.....
UID Username Status E-Mail Site: Location Registered Posts
8647 johnlear Member Las Vegas, NV 1/20/04 4803
Theres ur sign rite there..... theres ur sign
Mungo
dk3000
04-26-2008, 08:43 PM
Hey, misteroldschool I just found this video of you having lunch shortly after your last post.
Good to see you again:
<object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/f9_rGPIT5SE&hl=en"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/f9_rGPIT5SE&hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object>
Next time invite the rest of your ATS buddies over and stop hogging all your food!!!!!
skunk
04-26-2008, 09:30 PM
Straight from the horses mouth.....
UID Username Status E-Mail Site: Location Registered Posts
8647 johnlear Member Las Vegas, NV 1/20/04 4803
Theres ur sign rite there..... theres ur sign
Mungo
john is post-banned. That doesn't mean there's a huge "banned" text beneath his name.
There's many different kinds of bannings. Some involve only u2us, some involve posting, and some are actual IP address bans. That means you cannot access the site at all from your computer depending on if you have a static or dynamic IP address.
Mungodave
04-26-2008, 09:34 PM
Straight from the horses mouth.....
UID Username Status E-Mail Site: Location Registered Posts
8647 johnlear Member Las Vegas, NV 1/20/04 4803
Theres ur sign rite there..... theres ur sign
Mungo
john is post-banned. That doesn't mean there's a huge "banned" text beneath his name.
There's many different kinds of bannings. Some involve only u2us, some involve posting, and some are actual IP address bans. That means you cannot access the site at all from your computer depending on if you have a static or dynamic IP address.
Ahh, then I am u2u banned... must have been summin I said ;)
GhostOfCaptSpaulding
04-26-2008, 09:36 PM
Who's been making money off the backs of whom? Well, obviously, ATS dioes... oops. sorry. Do you make a lotta money off of your theories and your (for the purpose of objectivity, I'll use quotes) "insider knowledge", John?
Of what I recall, John was making money from his participation in the ATS forum of his. Perhaps you may like to ask him about how much he was making?
Which wasn't much, according to the horse's ass himself; springer...
Direct your attention to the 10th post at the following:
http://tinyurl.com/5j5397
I just want to know why you're coming at people with that huge black dildo?
Kinda freakin me out man.
skunk
04-26-2008, 09:43 PM
I just want to know why you're coming at people with that huge black dildo?
Kinda freakin me out man.
Just go with it.
I just want to know why you're coming at people with that huge black dildo?
Kinda freakin me out man.
Just go with it.
Next you'll say something like, "Hey B, it's only kinky the first time."
dk3000
04-26-2008, 10:04 PM
In any event, John Lear has contributed nothing but laughable conjecture not worthy of anything more than B-Movie subplots.
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm54/onlydk/bs2.gif
Yo Mama
04-27-2008, 12:02 AM
some are actual IP address bans. That means you cannot access the site at all from your computer depending on if you have a static or dynamic IP address.
That would be me. I think I still have the boot mark on my ass.
skunk
04-27-2008, 02:56 AM
I just want to know why you're coming at people with that huge black dildo?
Kinda freakin me out man.
Just go with it.
Next you'll say something like, "Hey B, it's only kinky the first time."
I don't bite.
(its cool though I don't like guys, I'm just fucking with your head and apparently its working)
JiveTurkey
04-27-2008, 04:23 AM
Who's been making money off the backs of whom? Well, obviously, ATS dioes... oops. sorry. Do you make a lotta money off of your theories and your (for the purpose of objectivity, I'll use quotes) "insider knowledge", John?
Of what I recall, John was making money from his participation in the ATS forum of his. Perhaps you may like to ask him about how much he was making?
In any event, John Lear has contributed nothing but laughable conjecture not worthy of anything more than B-Movie subplots.
As I recall, John only made money off the google adwords on his particular forum (much like the members were "able to do" with their blogs).
If I recall correctly, it was stated that he made like 60 bucks total during his time there and didn't even cash the check.
Of course, I could be wrong.
Perhaps a "in my opinion" before your semi hostile remarks is called for?
I'm all for free speech around here and I will continue to allow it. However, if you insist on being a trolling dick for the sole purpose of being a trolling dick, expect the same in return.
We don't protect the trolls here. Hop back over to YOUR forum if you want that.
J
Who's been making money off the backs of whom? Well, obviously, ATS dioes... oops. sorry. Do you make a lotta money off of your theories and your (for the purpose of objectivity, I'll use quotes) "insider knowledge", John?
Of what I recall, John was making money from his participation in the ATS forum of his. Perhaps you may like to ask him about how much he was making?
According to Springer JL didn't make very much at all for either himself or ATS, in fact in Springers words "made zero revenue for the company".
realityuncovered.com (http://realityuncovered.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=1159&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&sid=2c8fa7a2c28eb3cc0231e8ff9a54fc1b)
It wasn't my desire to see him go (I know you can't fathom that "idiocy" but there it is) in spite of the fact his presence was a pain in my back sides (as witnessed here at RU recently) and generated zero revenue for the company (TAN, LLC) since JL received 100% of the ad revenue in his forum, which was next to nothing on a monthly basis, which also destroys the prevalent, ridiculous theory you lot had as to why we hosted him. JL has a very interesting mind and ATS was a good outlet for that mind and those who were interested in reading his stuff. .....snip....
The one time JL had a direct and significant impact on the traffic was when he did C2C, we got about 12,000 additional visits that day which was very much appreciated but again, a drop in the bucket.
So, I would appreciate an end to the lunacy of the argument JL and or "sleeper" were allowed on ATS because of "all the traffic and revenue they attracted/generated", it's just bollocks.
theeindiee
04-30-2008, 05:14 AM
man I missed the Crakeur episode!
Whoa, things are getting hairy!
Yo Mama
04-30-2008, 10:37 AM
Nah, no hair.
We tried to talk, it inevitably fell apart, the thread was promptly derailed.
Not really hairy. Maybe fuzzy.
GhostOfCaptSpaulding
04-30-2008, 06:08 PM
Yeah, definitely fuzzy.
Bluster, Bullshit, Bury-it and Bail.
S.O.P. for that crew.
(And not a bad name for a law firm.)
theeindiee
05-07-2008, 08:01 PM
I just think this whole thing is crazy.
I dunno what to say because I knew it to be only logical that if what John and others have been saying or trying to say over there at ATS is any tiny shred of a flake of truth, then ATS would be THE critical attack point for a counter-intelligence crew.
As a matter of fact, it's NECESSARY to the powers that be to create confusion on ATS, because there ARE real conspiracies happening, and we ARE being lied to all the time, and there ARE people trying to speak out, and the risk would be too large just to let a website as large and influential as ATS is to just be, in hopes that nobody notices or everyone laughs or shrugs at ideas and info posted there. The problem was that there were too many highly intelligent people on there that were able to see past the bullshit and hold their weight in a debate against hard-nosed skeptics and people who just get a kick out of bashing "conspiracy theory nuts".
You've got this ever-increasing awareness that has been building lately, and it's harder and harder to continue being willingly ignorant, so the skeptics are losing steam and a lot are seeing the light and becoming believers (I'm one of those). So the scale is tilting, and the CIA or Total Information Awareness agencies are dependent on things being kept secret and people being ignorant of the information that DOES leak. What's the biggest hub for leaky faucets on the internet??? ATS, obviously. It's no accident that the website has declined into calamity so fast. There were so many dynamite and very open deep thinking minds on there last summer when I joined, that I was sure this was gunna be the place where the truth finally gets unleashed.... but then people started disappearing, and the religious threads started getting outta hand, and then every other day you had an anonymous hoaxer that would get masses of unneeded attention, then just this mass of really nasty spirited people started posting and really targetting me when I decided to tell about my alien/UFO/paranormal experiences (one person made it his duty to try and convince people that I was in desperate need of serious psychiatric help), then the John Lear thing, and now just seeing how bitter and nasty the administration has been in response to JL and the ATS "rebellion", it's so OBVIOUS to me now that the whole website stinks to high heaven of COINTELPRO, and it explains WHY I've gotten so many great leads that eventually wind up at dead ends.
The whole John Lear thing makes perfect sense, if us conspiracy theorists are truly onto something, which I know we are.... it's just that everyone's got these tiny little pieces that don't make sense, and they really can only fit the pieces together over a distance, so no one person has enough of a view of the picture to actually act upon the info and affect change. It's sites like ATS that have to potential to change that. That's why it's so frustrating to go there now, and even to come here.... because it just seems like we're playing with a time bomb on enemy soil, and there's no way to win. As long as you're a part of the "net" that they created, you will be subject to their policy eventually.
Nice post indy.
Hell i was a believer, then a hardcore sceptic and now ive turned the corner yet again. There IS something going on, what that is i don't know, but it goe's back a hell of a long way i believe.
I was a complete NWO sceptic as you could tell from some of my earlier threads but since i started looking into what happened before, during and after WW2 my spidey sense started tingling, ( to borrow one of steve-o's lines. :) ).
And where is the easiest place for COINTELPRO operatives to spread their lies, the net, of course.
Anonymous, millions of subjects, millions of viewers, world wide coverage, search engines at your disposal to infiltrate and to point the hungry legions in your direction.
The World Wide Web, is indeed a web imho.