When the War is over: A CIA, VATICAN and NAZI Operation!

[mojo]

There are hundreds of story's claiming conspiracy amongst allies and Nazi war criminals to help them escape the punishment that they were due. Most notably organizations like ODESSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ODESSA) and Bormann's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Bormann) own organization.

As well as those Nazi organizations there were accusations of complicity in the escape of NAZI war criminals by the CIA and the Vatican. Though the German government claims that Martin Bormann is dead and his remains identified by DNA testing of a relative many agency's still believe that Bormann escaped from Berlin during the chaos of the final days.

There are many connections if you look deeply enough that tie the three major agency's to one another. The Vatican, the CIA and NAZI intelligence organizations.
The first hook: Reinhard Gehlen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhard_Gehlen)


In July 1946 Gehlen was officially released from American captivity and flown back into Germany, Camp King, where he began his intelligence work by setting up an organization of former German intelligence officers. He set up a dummy organization in Pullach[1] near Munich called the South German Industrial Development Organization to mask his undercover operation and spy ring. Gehlen handpicked 350 former German intelligence agents to join him; that number eventually grew into 4,000 undercover agents. They were called V-men and for many years they were the only eyes and ears of the CIA on the ground in the Soviet Bloc nations during the Cold War. This group was soon to be given the nickname the "Gehlen Organisation."


The Gehlen Organization employed by the CIA has long been suspected of being a satellite division of ODESSA. Gehlen was also a Knight of Malta, an order with strong links to the Vatican.

How much did the CIA know of Eichmanns (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/jun/08/secondworldwar.usa) presence in Europe and South America after the war.


One of the most startling of those documents is a CIA memo dated March 19 1958, from the station chief in Munich to headquarters, noting that German intelligence (codenamed Upswing) had that month passed on a list of high-ranking former Nazis and their whereabouts. Eichmann was third on the list. The memo passed on a rumour that he was in Jerusalem "despite the fact that he was responsible for mass extermination of Jews", but also states, matter-of-factly: "He is reported to have lived in Argentina under the alias Clemens since 1952."


Alois Hudal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alo%C3%AFs_Hudal), is a renowned Bishop who helped Nazi's escape after the war.


In 1944, when the Pope's Pontifical Commission of Assistance (PCA) was divided into some 20 regional subcommittees, the Austrian section (Assistenza Austriaca) was placed under Hudal's control.[23] This allowed him and other PCA priests to piece together their network and organise the escape of war criminals such as Franz Stangl, commanding officer of Treblinka. Stangl himself told Gitta Sereny [24] that he went looking for Hudal in Rome, because he had heard that the bishop was helping the Germans. Hudal arranged quarters in Rome for him till his papers came through, then gave him money and a Red Cross passport with a visa to Syria. Stangl then left for Damascus, where the bishop had found him a job in a textile factory[25]. Other highly prominent Nazi war criminals helped by the Hudal network were SS captain Edward Roschmann, known as the "Butcher of Riga", doctor Josef Mengele, known as the "Angel of Death" at Auschwitz, Gustav Wagner, commanding officer of Sobibor, Alois Brunner, organizer of deportations from France and Slovakia to German concentration camps, and above all Adolf Eichmann, the man who had been put in charge of implementing the murder of European Jewry[26]. In 1994 Erich Priebke, a former SS captain, told Italian journalist Emanuela Audisio, La Repubblica, that bishop Hudal helped him reach Buenos Aires, which was later admitted by Vatican historian Robert Graham SJ [27].
In 1945 Hudal gave refuge in Rome to Otto Wächter, who had played a leading role in the July Putsch of 1934 in Austria, which led to the assassination of Dollfuss. In 1938-1939, he headed the "Wächter-Kommission", the government body named after him that was responsible for the dismissal and/or compulsory retirement of all Jewish officials in Austria.[28]. From 1939 on, as governor of the Cracow district, Wächter organized the persecution of the Jews and ordered the establishment of the Cracow Ghetto in 1941. Wächter is mentioned as one of the leading advocates in the General Government who were in favor of the Jewish extermination by gassing and as a member of the SS team who under Himmler's supervision and Odilo Globocnik's direction planned Operation Reinhard, the first phase of the Final Solution, leading to the death of more than 2,000,000 Polish Jews[29]. After the war Wächter lived in a Roman monastery "as a monk"[30], under the protection of Bishop Hudal. He died on July 14, 1949, in the Roman hospital of Santo Spirito "in the arms" of Bishop Hudal[31].



In 1999, however, Italian researcher Matteo Sanfilippo revealed a letter drafted on 31 August 1948 by Bishop Hudal to Argentinian President Juan Perón, requesting 5,000 visas, 3,000 for German and 2,000 for Austrian «soldiers» [39]. In the letter Hudal explained that these were not (Nazi) refugees, but anti-Communist fighters whose wartime «sacrifice» had saved Europe from Soviet domination. [40] According to Argentine researcher Uki Goñi, the documents he uncovered in 2003 show the Roman Catholic Church was also deeply involved in the secret network. "The Perón government authorized the arrival of the first Nazi collaborators [in Argentina], as a result of a meeting in March 1946 between Antonio Caggiano, a [newly elevated] Argentine cardinal, and Eugène Tisserant, a French cardinal attached to the Vatican".[41]


How about this, Franz von Papen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_von_Papen), also a Knight of Malta. ;) who was almost solely responsible for Hitler assuming power. The links aren't even tenuous, there downright obvious.


Franz Joseph Hermann Michael Maria von Papen zu Köningen (help·info) (29 October 1879 – 2 May 1969) was a German nobleman, Catholic politician, General Staff officer, and diplomat, who served as Chancellor of Germany (Reichskanzler) in 1932.
To many historians, Papen was also a key member in the small clique of right-wing politicians who "jobbed Adolf Hitler into power by backstairs intrigue".[1] He has been called a "stirrup holder" (Steigbügelhalter) for Hitler.
The central role that Papen played in Hitler's appointment as Chancellor in January 1933 was reflected by Papen's indictment at the Nuremberg War Crimes Trial. He was, however, acquitted based on the tribunal's determination that his "political immoralities" were not punishable under the "conspiracy to commit crimes against peace" charged in Papen's indictment.


Curiouser and curiouser.

Lets not forget Operation Paperclip (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip)


Operation Paperclip (also credited as Project Paperclip) was the code name under which the U.S. intelligence and military services extracted German scientists from Nazi Germany, during and after the final stages of World War II. In 1945 the Joint Intelligence Objectives Agency was established and given direct responsibility for Operation Paperclip


Some of the Nazi's smuggled to America were via the Ratlines set up by Bishop Alois Hudal, coincidence. :)



More to come. :D

mojo

[mojo]

continued

Allen Dulles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Welsh_Dulles), who at the time worked for the OSS but in time became the head of the CIA has an integral part to play in all of this. Here's some connections, take note of the connection of many of these Nazi's that Dulles hired and helped to escape prosecution. Also note the connection of many of these Nazi's to Gehlen's organization and de facto relationship with the Vatican.

De-classified CIA files, Guido Zimmer (http://www.archives.gov/iwg/declassified-records/rg-263-cia-records/rg-263-zimmer.html)


Another significant element of Zimmer's file is that he was able to escape prosecution as a war criminal partly through exploiting his wartime intelligence contacts and dealings with OSS officials, who spoke up for him after the war. In that sense his history mirrors the experience of some other Nazi officials.



Zimmer became Parrilli's secretary and applied for Italian citizenship. Zimmer contacted Reinhard Gehlen in December 1948, and he developed ties with former SS officers in 1950. The file does not clarify how deep his involvement in postwar German intelligence activity was, but a CIA evaluation of him concluded that he was not of sufficient stature to become dangerous in connection with right-wing circles.




Walter Rauff (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Rauff) was guilty of heinous war atrocities and after "escaping" from an american prison was hidden by Bishop Alois Hudal, haha, remember him. ;)
He supposedly worked at different times for Syria, Israeli intelligence :shock: and various South American regimes, all without the CIA knowing his whereabouts. :lol:


Under Augusto Pinochet's regime, Rauff may have served as an advisor in Chilean intelligence. Allegedly, C.I.A. officials could not determine Rauff's exact position.


Operation Crossword (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Crossword)



During World War II, Operation Crossword or Operation Sunrise was a series of secret negotiations conducted in March 1945 in Switzerland between representatives of the Nazi Germany and the U.S. to arrange a local surrender of German forces in northern Italy. One of the most notable parts of the operation were secret negotiations between Waffen-SS General Karl Wolff and Allen Dulles on March 8, 1945 in Luzern.


Three names which seem to crop up consistently among all the bit players.

Gehlen, Hudal and Dulles.

Nazi, Vatican, CIA.

Still more to come. :)

[mojo]

Was the Second World War really the brainchild of a deranged megolomaniac or was Hitler merely the puppet at the end of the strings of a powerful cabal of shadowy figures.
The links between the Vatican, the Nazi regime and the OSS (CIA) are undeniable.
These links between those groups are still on going today.
The best of the scientific and intelligence staff of the Nazi regime were smuggled out of Europe at the end of the war by the Vatican where they eventually found there way to the US and South America and were employed by the US government, various intelligence agency's and military/industrial corporations. There expertise in all manner of things can be seen today.
What reason did this triad have in conspiring to instigate a World War.
Power and control of resources, the same reasons we see today for governments starting wars. An added bonus for this triad though was the weakening of British influence in Europe.
Gehlen, Hudal and Dulles were merely footsoldiers it's true, though higher up the ladder than some others. It's the links that we are able to find by connecting their names to one another that tell the real story.
Tenous? Naive? Inconsistent with the evidence?

I don't think so.

[Lexion]

I happen to know a bit about
Odessa and Paperclip.

The Vatican was a pawn, not
a player.

The U.S. Industrial Complex was
the end-user.

The military was second.

Groom Lake is a Naval Base.
(Look it up)

It's also 90% civilian.

Lockheed is the leader in aero-
space patents.

Civilian company. Heavy military
funding.

Still civilian.

You're dancing around the angels
on the head of a pin.

Keep up the good work.


Regards,
Lex

[mojo]

Thanks Lex.

are you saying that the real instigators were American industrial/military organizations and german industrial/military organizations and the intelligence communities of both the US and Germany?

were the Vatican merely puppets then as well as the National Socialist German Workers Party.

or am i reading way too much into the coincidences do you think?

as always i appreciate your pov.

mojo

[forestlady]

Hi Mojo, nice work. I would also add that yes, you are right. It was the American elite that financed Hitler, foremost among them Averell Harriman - the man that Baby Bus's grandfather (Prescott Bush) worked for. In fact, assets were seized and Prescott was charged with trading with the enemy. A traitor in other words. Yes, 10 years later, he won the election to become a senator. Go figure. Only in America. Old Prescott must have really thought the Nazis had it right, as he also helped to bring over former Nazis for Operation Paperclip. I do not think it is by accident that Baby Bush is now president and that his policies are fascist.

Profiting from funding Hitler was how the modern generations of Bushes made their family fortune. In the beginning, it was thru selling opium in the Opium Wars.

Hitler would never have gotten off the ground if not for the U.S. elite investing in and funding his war.

I've spent 8 years studying this stuff, the involvement of the U.S. elite in Germany during WW2. It's pretty scary. This is all documented, I just don't have the time to track down links and post them.

[dk3000]

Mojo and Lex- you have both contributed brilliantly to this nefarious and odiously atrocious subject. There is also much controversy about Hitler's suicide.



Was Adolf smuggled into Argentina after WWll? Many witnesses in South America claimed to have seen him strolling through the street late at night and in the early morning hours.

After the war Argentina and Paraguay were run for years by nationalist strongmen, Juan Peron and Alfredo Stroessner respectively, who liked to strut around in military regalia and brutalize dissidents. Argentina had remained officially neutral until early 1945, when economic pressure forced it to throw in with the Allies, but until that point was in intimate contact with Hitler's regime and the fascist Franco government in Spain. Postwar Brazil was still fascist-friendly, a legacy of deposed dictator Getulio Vargas. Surely it's no surprise that the leaders of these countries nurtured fraternal feelings for fleeing Nazis. I might also point out that not all fugitives from the Third Reich ended up in South America--quite a few are said to have headed for Spain or the Middle East, and the U.S. imported a crowd of Nazi rocket scientists during Operation Paperclip. That said, the true story of how war criminals like Adolf Eichmann and Josef Mengele wound up in the land of the gauchos has never been fully told, and even now it's difficult to separate fact from fiction. Leading candidates for chief enabler of the great escape include:

Odessa. Part of the popular consciousness ever since Frederick Forsyth's best-selling 1972 novel The Odessa File, this secret group (the name is an acronym for Organization der ehemaligen SS-Angehörigen, "Organization of Former SS Members") supposedly used stashed war booty and connections in high places to spirit Nazi big shots out of reach of the Allies. Nazi hunter Simon Wiesenthal says he first heard about Odessa during the Nuremberg trials, and in his 1989 book Justice, Not Vengeance he seems convinced it exists, or rather existed. He offers little evidence, though, and others have their doubts.

The claim that members of the Catholic hierarchy were instrumental in obtaining documents, cash, and safe passage for many escaping Nazis is only barely scandalous these days. The benign view is that individual clerics acted out of humanitarian concern, believing they were aiding refugees from postwar communist persecution, and were unaware of their charges' sordid pasts. Others say the Vatican knew quite well what was going on but wanted former Nazis as allies in its struggle against the reds. A figure commonly named in this context is Alois Hudal, an openly pro-Nazi German bishop in Rome who is said to have helped engineer the escapes of dozens if not hundreds of Nazis--including Eichmann, who was living in Argentina when the Mossad caught him in 1960, and Franz Stangl, commandant of the Treblinka death camp, who ultimately made his way to Brazil and was captured there in 1967.

That said- it is possible and something to consider. The photograph above was said to be taken while Adolf was napping- he was around 80 years old.

Tis food for thought!

Mojo and Lex you have received your well earned stars!

[mojo]

Thanks dk.

Hudal, Gehlen and Dulles seem to be the glue that proves this whole conspiracy.
The connections between those 3 and all the other players are undeniable.
Dulles nephew was also a Bishop in the Roman catholic church. As well as all the major players having links to the knights of Malta.
This all without even getting into the links the Red Cross has with all 3 agency's.

I have some more to post regarding this whole conspiracy later.

[mojo]

globalresistance.com (http://globalresistance.com/docs/gehlen2-a.htm), not sure how reliable the information on this site is so i will need to do some further research, but hell, if only half of it is accurate it is a real fucking eyeopener. :shock:




Allen Dulles
(1893-1969)

Chief Architect of U.S.-Nazi business and spy networks
spy at the U.S. embassy in Bern, Switzerland, collecting political data for the State Department on Germany and the Austro-Hungarian empire (1916-1918)

member, U.S. staff, Versailles Peace Conference (1918-1922)

head, State Department's Near East Affairs division (1922-27)

worked with brother John Foster Dulles, as lawyer and international finance specialist for Sullivan & Cromwell, a Wall Street law firm in New York (1927-1941). While there, he worked with top Nazi industrialists and played a pivotal role in promoting U.S.-Nazi corporate relations. Allen worked with Prescott Bush (grandfather of Pres. G.W.Bush) and George H.Walker (Prescott's father-in-law) who ran Union Banking Corp. for the Nazis. Allen was legal counsel for Standard Oil and the Nazi's I.G. Farben, co-owned by the Rockefellers. (Other U.S. millionaires allied to the Nazis were: William R.Hearst Sr., Andrew Mellon, Irenee du Pont, Henry Ford and J.P.Morgan. Morgan, du Pont and others were even involved in a Fascist plot to overthrow the U.S. government in 1934.)

President Roosevelt, realizing Dulles was a traitor, had his New York "Office of Coordinator of Information" wiretapped (1941-42). Some Dulles-linked firms, like Bush's Union Banking Corp., were seized under the Trading with the Enemy Act (1942)

Berne station chief, Office of Strategic Services (1942-1945). Roosevelt's plan to charge Dulles with treason failed when Dulles was warned and covered his tracks (1944).

Roosevelt's plan died with him (1945).

as OSS station chief in Berlin, Dulles negotiated the agreement with General Reinhold Gehlen to establish a Nazi spy network within the OSS (1945).

Dulles helped in the development of the CIA (1947), became its deputy director (1951) and its director (1953-1961). He oversaw numerous covert operations, such as election rigging in Italy (1948), coups in Iran (1953) and Guatemala (1954) and many other notorious operations described in this issue.

When Union Banking Corp. was liquidated, P.Bush and G.H.Walk-er received $1.5 million (1951)

was fired by Kennedy after the failed invasion of Cuba (1961)

as a member of the Warren Commission, he promoted the theory that a "lone gunman" assassinated J.F.Kennedy (1963).


:shock:

[johnlear]

I happen to know a bit about
Odessa and Paperclip.

The Vatican was a pawn, not
a player.

The U.S. Industrial Complex was
the end-user.

The military was second.

Groom Lake is a Naval Base.
(Look it up)

It's also 90% civilian.

Lockheed is the leader in aero-
space patents.

Civilian company. Heavy military
funding.

Still civilian.

You're dancing around the angels
on the head of a pin.

Keep up the good work.


Regards,
Lex

Lex, spit it out. We lost the war. Tell them were the plutonium came from.

ho ho ho. :)

[Lexion]

John,

Believe it or not, I still have
a few NDA's that I adhere to.

Albeit loosely. :)

Regards,
Lex

[mojo]

necro bump.

thanks skunk, forgot about this thread. has rekindled my interest to do a bit more research.

[Lexion]

Very nice bump, my Curious Monkey friend.

[Oblivion]

dulles, man that guy and his bro's are real pieces of shit.

dulles, cia, the prick even has ties to 9/11.

[mojo]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat

　

The 1953 Iranian coup d'état (known in Iran (http://amkon.net/wiki/Iran) as the 28 Mordad coup[3] (http://amkon.net/showthread.php/l%20cite_note-2)) was the overthrow (http://amkon.net/wiki/Coup_d%27%C3%A9tat) of the democratically elected (http://amkon.net/wiki/Democracy) government of Iranian (http://amkon.net/wiki/Iran) Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh (http://amkon.net/wiki/Mohammad_Mosaddegh) on 19 August 1953, orchestrated by the intelligence agencies of the United Kingdom and the United States under the name TPAJAX Project.[4] (http://amkon.net/showthread.php/l%20cite_note-3)

　

U.S. reluctance to overthrow Prime Minister Mossadegh in 1951, when he was elected, faded 28 months later when Dwight D. Eisenhower (http://amkon.net/wiki/Dwight_D._Eisenhower) was in the White House (http://amkon.net/wiki/White_House) and John Foster Dulles (http://amkon.net/wiki/John_Foster_Dulles) took the helm at the State Department (http://amkon.net/wiki/State_Department). "Anglo-American cooperation on that occasion brought down the Iranian prime minister and reinstated a U.S.-backed shah."[37] (http://amkon.net/showthread.php/l%20cite_note-Minefield_1999_p._35-36)

　

Having obtained the Shah's concurrence, the CIA executed the coup.[48] (http://amkon.net/showthread.php/l%20cite_note-Gasiorowski.2C_M._J._1987_pp.261-286-47) Firmans (http://amkon.net/wiki/Firman_(decree)) (royal decrees) dismissing Mosaddegh and appointing Zahedi were drawn up by the coup plotters and signed by the Shah. On Saturday 15 August, Colonel Nematollah Nassiri, the commander of the Imperial Guard, delivered to Mosaddegh a firman from the Shah dismissing him. Mosaddegh, who had been warned of the plot (probably by the Tudeh party) rejected the firman as a forgery and had Nassiri arrested.[49] (http://amkon.net/showthread.php/l%20cite_note-48) Mosaddegh argued at his trial after the coup that under the Iranian constitutional monarchy, the Shah had no constitutional right to issue an order for the elected Prime Minister's dismissal without Parliament's consent.[50] (http://amkon.net/showthread.php/l%20cite_note-49) The action was publicized within Iran by the CIA and in the United States by The New York Times (http://amkon.net/wiki/The_New_York_Times). The Shah, fearing a popular backlash, fled to Rome, Italy. After a short exile in Italy, the CIA completed the coup against Mossadegh,[48] (http://amkon.net/showthread.php/l%20cite_note-Gasiorowski.2C_M._J._1987_pp.261-286-47) and returned the Shah to Iran. Alan Dulles, the director of the CIA, flew back with the Shah from Rome to Teheran.[51] (http://amkon.net/showthread.php/l%20cite_note-50) Gen. Zahedi replaced the deposed Prime Minister Mosaddegh, who was arrested, tried, and originally sentenced to death.[52]HYPERLINK \l "cite_note-52"[53] (http://amkon.net/showthread.php/l%20cite_note-51) Mosaddegh's sentence was commuted to three years' solitary confinement in a military prison, followed by house arrest until his death.[54] (http://amkon.net/showthread.php/l%20cite_note-53)
　

[century]

It puts the lotion on its skin, or else it gets the hose again:rolleyes::rolleyes::D

[century]

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[coldjoint]

So now what? Try and disgrace the US and former presidents? Is this all to to blame the woes of the world on everyones favorite scapegoats? That would be organized Christianity(the Vatican) and again the US. Besides the profits and the best interests of the conspirators are you trying to say that the invasion of Poland and ensuing Blitzkriegs were orchestrated just for financial gain?
Funny how you can string all this together and refuse to acknowledge things that are right in front of your noses?

[Cogburn]

Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler

By

Antony C. Sutton (http://www.reformation.org/antony-sutton-bio.html)


http://www.reformation.org/wall-st-front-cover.jpg
Makes Every Previous Book on World War II Obsolete. Finally, a distinguished scholar has penetrated the cloak of falsehood, deception, and duplicity that for more than thirty years has protected one of the most incredible secrets of World War II: the support from key Wall Street financiers and other international bankers in subsidizing Hitler's rise to power.
Professor Antony C. Sutton proves that World War II was not only well planned, it was also extremely profitable—for a select group of financial insiders. Carefully tracing this closely guarded secret through original documents and eyewitness accounts, Sutton documents the roles played by J.P. Morgan, T. W. Lamont, the Rockefeller interests, General Electric Company, Standard Oil, National City Bank, Chase and Manhattan banks, Kuhn, Loeb and Company, and scores of other business elitists.
Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler shows how the bloodiest, most destructive war in history was financed and promoted. It is sure to spark angry denials and heated debate.

Preface (http://www.reformation.org/wall-st-preface.html)

Introduction (http://www.reformation.org/wall-st-intro.html)

Chapter 1 (http://www.reformation.org/wall-st-ch1.html)

Wall Street Paves the Way for Hitler
Chapter 2 (http://www.reformation.org/wall-st-ch2.html)
The Empire of I. G. Farben
Chapter 3 (http://www.reformation.org/wall-st-ch3.html)
General Electric Funds Hitler
Chapter 4 (http://www.reformation.org/wall-st-ch4.html)
Standard Oil Fuels World War II
Chapter 5 (http://www.reformation.org/wall-st-ch5.html)
I.T.T Works Both Sides of the War
Chapter 6 (http://www.reformation.org/wall-st-ch6.html)
Henry Ford and the Nazis
Chapter 7 (http://www.reformation.org/wall-st-ch7.html)
Who Financed Adolf Hitler?
Chapter 8 (http://www.reformation.org/wall-st-ch8.html)
Putzi: Friend of Hitler and Roosevelt
Chapter 9 (http://www.reformation.org/wall-st-ch9.html)
Wall Street and the Nazi Inner Circle
Chapter 10 (http://www.reformation.org/wall-st-ch10.html)
The Myth of "Sidney Warburg"
Chapter 11 (http://www.reformation.org/wall-st-ch11.html)
Wall Street Nazi Collaboration in World War II
Chapter 12 (http://www.reformation.org/wall-st-ch12.html)
Conclusions

Appendix A (http://www.reformation.org/wall-st-appa.html)

Appendix B (http://www.reformation.org/wall-st-appb.html)

Appendix C (http://www.reformation.org/wall-st-appc.html)



Appendix D (http://www.reformation.org/wall-st-appd.html)

Appendix E (http://www.reformation.org/wall-st-appe.html)



Selected Bibliography (http://www.reformation.org/wall-st-biblio.html)


Copyright ©1976 by Arlington House Publishers, New Rochelle, New York.

This work was created with the permission of Antony C. Sutton.

[BE2]

It's all about greed, no?

[Cogburn]

It's all about greed, no?
It's a damn shame that in 2012 there are still people around that are convinced that war is fought for anything else.

[skunk]

And fdr knew...

[Hazelnut]

It's a damn shame that in 2012 there are still people around that are convinced that war is fought for anything else.

Yeah, we fight wars for jobs now.

[Cogburn]

Anyone who has a command of 20th century history beyond the indoctrination of the public schools can see that western powers created radical Islam through a series of well documented historical events.

Was it intentional? Perhaps, perhaps not. However what cannot be argued is how western powers, mostly commercial, have capitalized upon increased discord within various cultures for financial gain through conflict.

The followers of Christianity, Islam, and Judaism have been ever increasingly manipulated towards acceptance of violent confrontation as being the solution, even when it is strictly prohibited within their faiths.

People fight over ideology. Nations go to war over cash.

[coldjoint]

Anyone who has a command of 20th century history beyond the indoctrination of the public schools can see that western powers created radical Islam through a series of well documented historical events.

Was it intentional? Perhaps, perhaps not. However what cannot be argued is how western powers, mostly commercial, have capitalized upon increased discord within various cultures for financial gain through conflict.

The followers of Christianity, Islam, and Judaism have been ever increasingly manipulated towards acceptance of violent confrontation as being the solution, even when it is strictly prohibited within their faiths.

People fight over ideology. Nations go to war over cash.
634 CE: At the battles of Basra and Ajnadin Damascus in Syria the Muslim jihadists defeated Byzantine regiments. Today, Osama bin Laden draws inspiration from the Islamic victory, and especially from an anecdote about Khalid al-Walid. "Armies become numerous only with victory and few with defeat. By Allah, I would love it...if the enemy were twice as many." (Tabari Volume 11:94). Bin Laden quotes Khalid and says that his fighters love death more than we in the West love life. This affinity for death comes directly from the Qur'an and Hadith where Muhammad and Allah say that dying in jihad killing infidels is the surest path to paradise.

Abu Bakr dies and the Caliphate of Umar ibn al-Khattab begins. His campaign of terror was particularly brutal. Immediately he attacks Namaraq and Saqatia.

635 CE: Muslim mujahideen besieged and conquered Damascus. They fought and won the battles of the Bridge, Buwaib, and Fahl. They go on to conquer Damascus.

636 CE: Islamic jihadists attacked and defeated the weakened Byzantines again at Yarmuk - this time pulverizing them. They fight and win at Madain.

637 CE: Syria falls to the Islamic onslaught. Then the Muslim crusaders conquered large portions of western Persia in today's Iraq, beginning at the Battle of al-Qadisiyyah. Muslim mujahideen occupy the Persian capital of Ctesiphon.

638 CE: Islamic raiders attacked and defeated the Roman Byzantines at the Battle of Yarmouk. Muslims enter, occupy, and annex Jerusalem, taking it from the Byzantines. All Judea is claimed under the sword of Islam. Muslims go on to raid Jalula and Jazirah and continue their conquest of Syria, today's Jordan, and Lebanon.

On the Eastern front, Islamic armies conquer eastern Persia in today's Iran, leaving only the Caspian Sea region firmly under Persian control.

639 CE: Islamic raiders conquer Khuzestan in the east and enter and begin plundering Egypt in the west, burning its libraries and defacing its monumental history.

640 CE: Muslim jihadists capture Caesaria in Syria and Shustar Jande Sabur in Persia. They fight the battle of Babylon.

On the Western Front, Islam completes its conquest of Egyptian cities in the north, stealing them from the Romans. Arabia, Egypt, Persia, and the Fertile Crescent are now the personal fiefdoms of four Islamic Caliphs.

641 CE: Muslim crusaders who bypassed the countryside of Syria and Judea en route to Egypt, returned to raise their swords over everyone's head. They attack Nihawand and then conquer Alexandria in Egypt.

On the Eastern Front, Islam conquers and occupies all of today's Iraq, taking it from the Persians.

642 CE: Islamic mujahideen fight the Battle of Rayy in Persia. Moving south on the Western Front, they conquer all of Egypt.

643 CE: In the north, Islam's army conquers Azerbaijan and Tabaristan in today's Russia.

644 CE: The Islamic killing machine sacks and plunders Fars, Kerman, Sistan, Mekran and Kharan. Caliph Umar ibn al-Khattab was assassinated. Uthman ibn Affan was appointed the third Caliph. Since Uthman's family rejected Muhammad's claim of being the Messenger of Allah, Islam divides with Shia rioters campaigning for the empowerment of Ali, Muhammad's cousin, adopted son, and son-in-law.

646 CE: Muslims battle in Khurasan, Armenia, and Asia Minor throughout the Caucasus.

647 CE: The Islamic barbarians savagely plundered North Africa. Islamic jihadists conquered the Island of Cyprus. They besieged and plundered Tripoli in North Africa. And they forcibly established Islam as the only acceptable religion in today's Iran, Iraq, Arabia, and Afghanistan.

648 CE: The Muslim armies were unified and positioned against the Byzantines.

650 CE: The Islamic conquest and occupation of Persia was completed. The entire realm of history's oldest and most powerful empires surrendered under the assault of bloody swords when resistance became futile.

651 CE: Muslims won the Battle of the Masts against the Byzantines and nearly captured the Byzantine emperor.

652 CE: The Islamic assault against humanity stalled and the Muslim mujahideen openly displayed their hostility toward Uthman.

654 CE: Islam's violent and aggressive conquest of North Africa was all but completed. Only Morocco remained free of the religious scourge. Muslims now established new fiefdoms throughout the region they occupied.

656 CE: The Sunni Caliph Uthman was assassinated by Muslim soldiers. Ali ibn Abi Talib, adopted son, son-in-law, and cousin to Muhammad, was given the Caliphate. His claim to the throne was having married the prophet's daughter Fatima. Killing the Caliph to become Caliph would become standard operating procedure in the Islamic world.

In the battle of the Camel, Aisha, Muhammad's child wife, led a rebellion against Ali for not avenging Uthman's assassination. Ali's Shia partisans won.

657 CE: In more infighting between Shia and Sunni Muslims (today called "sectarian violence"), the battle of Siffin between Ali and the Muslim governor of Jerusalem, went against Ali. Forced out of Medina, Ali moved the Shia capital of Islam to Kufa in Iraq.

658 CE: Major battles were fought by Muslims in Nahrawan and then in Egypt, where the last pockets of resistance were suppressed. The Umayyad and then Abbasid caliphates would control Egypt until 868 CE.

660 CE: Ali's forces recaptured the Hijaz (Mecca-Medina area) and Yemen from their Sunni Muslim rival, Mu'awiyah. So Mu'awiyah declared himself Caliph and sets up his throne in Damascus.

661 CE: Ali was assassinated by a rival Sunni Muslim. Ali's supporters formed the Shi'ite political/religious party and promoted his son Hasan to Caliph. They insisted that a blood descendant of Muhammad wield control over all Muslims. Hasan, however, not wanting to be the next to die, came to an accommodation with Muawiyyah, a relative of Uthman, and abdicated the throne, retiring to Medina.

The Caliphate of Muawiyyah I began. He founds the Sunni Umayyid Dynasty and officially moved the capital of the Islamic Empire from uncivilized Medina to urbane Damascus. What is interesting about this is that even though Damascus, unlike Mecca and Medina, was a literate community, and although we have countless records of Umayyid battles, tax collections, and political promotions, there isn't a single line of Islamic scripture that survives from this time - not a word from the Qur'an or Hadith was written down. The first Qur'an fragments date to the eighth century and the oldest Hadith manuscripts date to the ninth century.

There were no Qur'ans or any other written basis for the religion of Islam when its mujahideen were conquering the world. And that means they were doing it for booty, not religion. This is one of the most astounding, and little known, facts of history.

The Umayyid Dynasty would retain dictatorial control over all territories conquered by Islam through 750 CE.

662 CE: All of the Arabian Peninsula and today's Iran and Iraq were unified under the Umayyad and Abbasid caliphates. Their reign of oppression would last until 1258.

666 CE: Muslim crusaders raided the island of Sicily.

670 CE: Islamic armies continued to plunder portions of North Africa on the Western Front. Jihadists reach and conquer Morocco. The entire region was now under the control of the Umayyad and Abbasid caliphates.

The Eastern Army captured Kabul in Afghanistan. Soon Islam would control and occupy all of the Caucasus and Caspian region.

672 CE: Muslims storm the island of Rhodes, placing it under the dominion of their swords.

673 CE: The Islamic armies begin the Khurasan campaign.

674 CE: Muslims cross the Oxus. Bukhara becomes a vassal state.

677 CE: Islam's militants occupy Samarkand and Tirmiz.

678 CE: Muslim armies besieged Constantinople, the capital of the Christian Byzantine Empire.

680 CE: Caliph Mu'awiyah died and Hussein (Hussain) (Muhammad's grandson by way of Ali), his family, and his supporters were massacred in Karbala, Iraq by the Sunni Umayyids. As a result, Yazid gained control of Muhammad's bloody legacy.

682 CE: In North Africa Uqba bin Nafe marched to the Atlantic. He was ambushed and killed at Biskra. The Muslims evacuated Qairowan and withdrew to Burqa.

683 CE: Caliph Yazid died. Mu'awiyah II is crowned king of the death machine.

684 CE: Abdullah bin Zubair declared himself Caliph at Mecca. Marwan I, disputes the claim and names himself Caliph in Damascus. All the while the Islamic assault marched on with the Battle of Marj Rahat.

685 CE: Falling like flies, Marwan I died so Abdul Malik became the Caliph in Damascus. Not losing focus, the Islamic mujahideen fought the Battle of Ain ul Wada.

686 CE: Mukhtar declared himself Caliph at Kufa, Iraq. As you might imagine, being the supreme potentate of a religious empire was profitable.

687 CE: Not wanting to share, the Battle of Kufa was waged between the Islamic forces of Mukhtar and Abdullah bin Zubair. Mukhtar must have lost because he was killed.

691 CE: Muslims went on to fight the Battle of Deir ul Jaliq. But then Kufa fell to Abdul Malik.

What you said is wrong. I would call you stupid, but...... Anyway where do you see the West, until invaded, in those battles or any other cause for them than Islamic aggression? That is killing for Islam which is radical and went on long before any kind of Western retaliation. Next you speak of violence as a solution to problems for Christians and Jews? What do you think is the foundation of Islam.


To think that any other motive that the Koran and its teachings have created the radical Muslims is just another excuse not to face a problem you just can't cope with

.Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
Qur'an:8:39 "Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah."
Qur'an:8:65 "O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding."

The last verse sounds like a radical pep talk to me.

[Trauma Teased]

Still pissed off by things that happened between 634 CE and 691 CE.

You sure can hold a grudge.

[coldjoint]

Still pissed off by things that happened between 634 CE and 691 CE.

You sure can hold a grudge.

Islam is the one with a chip on its shoulder. They are the aggressor and always have been. There behavior in host countries today cannot be described any other way but aggressive, except by apologists like you.

[skunk]

http://mapsofwar.com/images/Religion.swf

[LudwidVonBunnypants]

Because, of course, Christian Europe was in the middle of a golden age of peace and religious tranquility from 1517 till 1660

[Trauma Teased]

Islam is the one with a chip on its shoulder. They are the aggressor and always have been. There behavior in host countries today cannot be described any other way but aggressive, except by apologists like you.

You have no sense of humor. Try laughing once in a while.

[FAQ]

.Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
Qur'an:8:39 "Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah."
Qur'an:8:65 "O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding."

Your translations are wrong and and without context... If my son had a friend(s) that knew physics it would not make me an expert. If I wanted to learn physics I would go and take a physics class. If I decided to pick up random physics books and read them I still would not be an expert. If I started quoting what I read from those random physics books without a solid foundation on physics I would probably sound like a misinformed person with a limited understanding of physics. Which would make me ignorant for not actually taking that class in the first place.

[coldjoint]

You have no sense of humor. Try laughing once in a while.

You don't know that, but you should know by now I don't think this funny. Some of the responses are though.

[Watchdog]

Your translations are wrong and and without context... If my son had a friend(s) that knew physics it would not make me an expert. If I wanted to learn physics I would go and take a physics class. If I decided to pick up random physics books and read them I still would not be an expert. If I started quoting what I read from those random physics books without a solid foundation on physics I would probably sound like a misinformed person with a limited understanding of physics. Which would make me ignorant for not actually taking that class in the first place.
I can teach you physics, in swedish language, are you willing to learn and pay my sallary?

[Watchdog]

This message is hidden because coldjoint is on your ignore list (http://amkon.net/profile.php?do=ignorelist).

[FAQ]

I can teach you physics, in swedish language, are you willing to learn and pay my sallary?
lol... no, but thanks for the offer.

[FAQ]

typetypetype cj is gonna respond with stupidity

[coldjoint]

]Your translations are wrong and and without context.[/COLOR].. If my son had a friend(s) that knew physics it would not make me an expert. If I wanted to learn physics I would go and take a physics class. If I decided to pick up random physics books and read them I still would not be an expert. If I started quoting what I read from those random physics books without a solid foundation on physics I would probably sound like a misinformed person with a limited understanding of physics. Which would make me ignorant for not actually taking that class in the first place.

How else are those translated? The context is the 9th sura, which contains other verses about the fate of non-believers, most not that good. Some offer protection after conversion. What a deal, huh? The 9th sura is named Repentance. For what or whom is vague.
The sura 8 is "Spoils of War". How is that for context? Get your ass to the Mosque, you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

[FAQ]

How else are those translated? The context is the 9th sura, which contains other verses about the fate of non-believers, most not that good. Some offer protection after conversion. What a deal, huh? The 9th sura is named Repentance. For what or whom is vague.
The sura 8 is "Spoils of War". How is that for context? Get your ass to the Mosque, you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
My point proven!!! Thanks BITCH!!!

[coldjoint]

My point proven!!! Thanks BITCH!!!


What point ? That you are an idiot. I've known that for quite a while now.

[coldjoint]

I can teach you physics, in swedish language, are you willing to learn and pay my sallary?

What is the square root of the ambassadors sons' penis deep in your ass?

[FAQ]

What point ? That you are an idiot. I've known that for quite a while now.
:lol:you been 9113ped

[coldjoint]

:lol:you been 9113ped

Your on Snow Claps level. You should be proud that you have nothing intelligent to say. Now people won't be expecting it if you ever get lucky and say something that actually pertains to the matter at hand. I know I will. Part timer.

[FAQ]

Your on Snow Claps level. You should be proud that you have nothing intelligent to say. Now people won't be expecting it if you ever get lucky and say something that actually pertains to the matter at hand. I know I will. Part timer.
I never claimed to be intelligent, I do try to keep an open mind though, but when I do want to learn a certain subject I do not do it from blogs.

[coldjoint]

I never claimed to be intelligent, I do try to keep an open mind though, but when I do want to learn a certain subject I do not do it from blogs.

The blogs serve the purpose of the valuable information that mainstream won't report. Many have links to news sources. The Koran is not just a passing fancy in my posts either, is the Koran Mohammeds blog? There is truth everywhere and you can learn from almost anything.
And when I see Muslims railing against the Jews and everything Western, I learn that they HATE us. When I tie the stories from Nigeria and the increasing crimes in Europe, especially sexual, and what is said in the Koran, I arrive at a logical conclusion. that any objective thinker would. But for the uninformed, idiots like you, and the ceaseless propaganda that labels everyone a bigot that finds Islam and its tenets repulsive, for very good reasons. Color or ethnic background being the least. As much as you want to believe I don't know what I am talking about, it aint going to fly.

[FAQ]

All I hear is saying is, I Spam because Spam. The Spam is the problem spam spam law. Spam spam spam because I know my spam. It is spam magenta NAZI spam.

[LudwidVonBunnypants]

All I hear is saying is, I Spam because Spam. The Spam is the problem spam spam law. Spam spam spam because I know my spam. It is spam magenta NAZI spam.

coldcum, is that you?

[coldjoint]

All I hear is saying is, I Spam because Spam. The Spam is the problem spam spam law. Spam spam spam because I know my spam. It is spam magenta NAZI spam.

No it isn't, you just wish it was. The only spam is between your ears.

[LudwidVonBunnypants]

9114

[Set]

The blogs serve the purpose of the valuable information that mainstream won't report. Many have links to news sources. The Koran is not just a passing fancy in my posts either, is the Koran Mohammeds blog? There is truth everywhere and you can learn from almost anything.
And when I see Muslims railing against the Jews and everything Western, I learn that they HATE us. When I tie the stories from Nigeria and the increasing crimes in Europe, especially sexual, and what is said in the Koran, I arrive at a logical conclusion. that any objective thinker would. But for the uninformed, idiots like you, and the ceaseless propaganda that labels everyone a bigot that finds Islam and its tenets repulsive, for very good reasons. Color or ethnic background being the least. As much as you want to believe I don't know what I am talking about, it aint going to fly.

The actions of these vile religious lunatics (http://www.nodeju.com/18248/orthodox-jews-stone-woman.html) are evocative of the evil (love the self-righteous folk's favourite word!) of their mad dog Muslim counterparts. If you are true to form (i.e. you advocate collective punishment for all Muslims for the actions of a few) I'd expect you to condemn all Israelis as despicable terrorists deserving of extermination because of their deeds.

Care to comment, Cock Jerker?

[Set]

coldcum, is that you?

Change "spam" to "sperm" and you go it. :jerkoff:

[Snow Crash]

Your on Snow Claps level.

And you're jealous :D

[coldjoint]

Change "spam" to "sperm" and you go it. :jerkoff:

Another moron heard from.

[coldjoint]

The actions of these vile religious lunatics (http://www.nodeju.com/18248/orthodox-jews-stone-woman.html) are evocative of the evil (love the self-righteous folk's favourite word!) of their mad dog Muslim counterparts. If you are true to form (i.e. you advocate collective punishment for all Muslims for the actions of a few) I'd expect you to condemn all Israelis as despicable terrorists deserving of extermination because of their deeds.

Care to comment, Cock Jerker?

Islam is the culprit, Muslims are the pawns. You remain an idiot.

[Snow Crash]

An interesting report on society in Saudi Arabia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YThBW3tduJA)

[Set]

Islam is the culprit, Muslims are the pawns. You remain an idiot.

So not all Muslims are bad, is that right?

Would you go as far as to say some are even as "decent" as you and your Christian friends. And that some Jews and Christians are as religiously insane and as dangerous as the worse of the mad dog Muslims??

Don't be anxious about your answer, I am much like you, CJ. Only I want to exterminate all evil believers in the supremacist breeding Abrahamic religion. Just as we righteously and collectively punished all the evil Japs, Germans, Asians, Nigras, and all other evil enemies of decency.

One in all in I believe, it only democratic to do so!

[Set]

So not all Muslims are bad, is that right?

Would you go as far as to say some are even as "decent" as you and your Christian friends. And that some Jews and Christians are as religiously insane and as dangerous as the worse of the mad dog Muslims??

Don't be anxious about your answer, I am much like you, CJ. Only I want to exterminate all evil believers in the supremacist breeding Abrahamic religion. Just as we righteously and collectively punished all the evil Japs, Germans, Asians, Nigras, and all other evil enemies of decency.

One in all in I believe, it only democratic to do so!

You there CJ? Can someone put on some think music for CJ?

[Trauma Teased]

You there CJ? Can someone put on some think music for CJ?

He is busy Googling for another idiot blog to quote idiocy from.

[Snow Crash]

Can someone put on some think music for CJ?

Ask and ye shall recieve:

e32kaa9TzeE

[Apocales]

Mojo's article was interesting I have heard it before, but basically before the Catholics reformed they all helped each other out. Peron got some productive citizens and it all worked out.

[Set]

Ask and ye shall recieve:

e32kaa9TzeE

I think this (http://youtu.be/DYIU09o1gsI) would be more to his liking.

[Cogburn]

So not all Muslims are bad, is that right?

Would you go as far as to say some are even as "decent" as you and your Christian friends. And that some Jews and Christians are as religiously insane and as dangerous as the worse of the mad dog Muslims??

Don't be anxious about your answer, I am much like you, CJ. Only I want to exterminate all evil believers in the supremacist breeding Abrahamic religion. Just as we righteously and collectively punished all the evil Japs, Germans, Asians, Nigras, and all other evil enemies of decency.

One in all in I believe, it only democratic to do so!
Acutally, CJ has said many time in other forums that moderates within Islam are okay, but they are partially to blame for the actions of the rest of Islam.

Which is, of course, like saying that most people in the US are okay, but they are still to blame for the election of George W. Bush even if they voted for the other guy.

[Set]

Acutally, CJ has said many time in other forums that moderates within Islam are okay, but they are partially to blame for the actions of the rest of Islam.

Which is, of course, like saying that most people in the US are okay, but they are still to blame for the election of George W. Bush even if they voted for the other guy.....which is the "Wests" favourite casus belli. That is, collective punishment for all for the "sins" (defying WASPington) of the few. This (collective punishment) is politically correct in the West because it is Biblically correct, i.e. God punishes every cunt and his dog for Eve's curiosity.

[Cogburn]

"Free your mind and your ass will follow."
- George Clinton

[Set]

"Free your mind and your ass will follow."
- George Clinton

You mean "your arse will follow."

[coldjoint]

Acutally, CJ has said many time in other forums that moderates within Islam are okay, but they are partially to blame for the actions of the rest of Islam.

Which is, of course, like saying that most people in the US are okay, but they are still to blame for the election of George W. Bush even if they voted for the other guy.


Hasn't it become clear to you yet that it is Islam, itself, that is responsible. George Bush was not a religion. He was president which is a temporary position, and therefore temporary policies. Our policies have changed, Islam has not.

[13erk0witz]

Coldjoint, everyone has you on ignore in case you were wondering/

[Snow Crash]

Hasn't it become clear to you yet that MOBYU AKBAR?

[Set]

Hasn't it become clear to you yet that it is Islam, itself, that is responsible. George Bush was not a religion. He was president which is a temporary position, and therefore temporary policies. Our policies have changed, Islam has not.

I'm with you Coldie, wars are all about religion. We are in a religious war with Issham. Kill all religionists and let God take his own, eh?

[Set]

Christians At War


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John Kendrick
Onward, Christian soldiers!
Duty's way is plain:
Slay your Christian neighbors,
Or by them be slain.
Pulpiteers are spouting
Effervescent swill,
God above is calling you
To rob and rape and kill,
All your acts are sanctified
By the lamb on high;
If you love the Holy Ghost,
Go murder, pray and die.

2. Onward, Christian soldiers,
Rip and tear and smite!
Let the gentle Jesus,
Bless your dynamite.
Splinter skulls with shrapnel,
Fertilize the sod;
Folks who do not speak your tongue,
Deserve the curse of God.
Smash the doors of every home,
Pretty maidens seize;
Use your might and sacred right
To treat them as you please.

3. Onward, Christian soldiers!
Eat and drink your fill;
Rob with bloody fingers,
Christ O. K.'s the bill.
Steal the farmer's savings,
Take their grain and meat;
Even though the children starve,
The Saviour's bums must eat.
Burn the peasant's cottages,
Orphans leave bereft;
In Jehovah's holy name,
Wreak ruin right and left.

4. Onward, Christian soldiers!
Drench the land with gore;
Mercy is a weakness
All the gods abhor.
Bayonet the babies,
Jab the mothers, too;
Hoist the cross of Calvary
To hallow all you do.
File your bullets' noses flat,
Poison every well;
God decrees your enemies
Must all go plumb to hell.

5. Onward, Christian soldiers!
Blighting all you meet,
Trampling human freedom
Under pious feet.
Praise the Lord whose dollar sign
Dupes his favored race!
Make the foreign trash respect your
Bullion brand of grace.
Trust in mock salvation,
Serve as pirates' tools;
History will say of you:
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[coldjoint]

Coldjoint, everyone has you on ignore in case you were wondering/


That makes no difference to me, in case you were wondering. As we discussed in a previous thread there are countless guests and the threads make it to the internet. How many guests have me on ignore?

[Snow Crash]

That makes no difference to me, in case you were wondering. As we discussed in a previous thread, MOBYU AKBAR!

[coldjoint]

He is busy Googling for another idiot blog to quote idiocy from.

A lot are bookmarked. And they have thousands of links for such an insignificant problem. Is that funny?