John Titor -- Fact or Fiction?

[JiveTurkey]

With the recent brouhaha about the 2008 Summer Games there has been a bit of new life breathed into the John Titor lore.


That being what it is, I thought I would pose this question to you guys and girls here at AmKon.


So what ya think?


John Titor: Fact or Fiction?





While I lean a bit more toward the fiction side myself, there are a couple of things that really get me about Titor.



1. IF the whole John Titor episode was a hoax, why did it begin and end so abruptly, yet, last so long?

2. With the popularity of the Titor story, why hasn't anyone taken credit for the "hoax" (if it is indeed a hoax). What did the hoaxer(s) gain if they didn't bother with the big "gotcha!"??

[Iori Komei]

John Titor: Fact or fiction?


Pure unadulterated fiction in my opinion.




1. IF the whole John Titor episode was a hoax, why did it begin and end so abruptly, yet, last so long?


Because it would get really boring after awhile, and abruptly quitting is the easiest way to stop?




2. With the popularity of the Titor story, why hasn't anyone taken credit for the "hoax" (if it is indeed a hoax). What did the hoaxer(s) gain if they didn't bother with the big "gotcha!"??

I thought there were lots of people who had taken credit for it but could'nt provide all the evidence.

Well it really depends, if they were doing it for the entertainment factor, perhaps just tricking people was enough.
Or perhaps they had a more serious reason, like trying to get people to change by creating it.

[JiveTurkey]

[quote=JasnReznick]
John Titor: Fact or fiction?


Pure unadulterated fiction in my opinion.




1. IF the whole John Titor episode was a hoax, why did it begin and end so abruptly, yet, last so long?


Because it would get really boring after awhile, and abruptly quitting is the easiest way to stop?




2. With the popularity of the Titor story, why hasn't anyone taken credit for the "hoax" (if it is indeed a hoax). What did the hoaxer(s) gain if they didn't bother with the big "gotcha!"??

I thought there were lots of people who had taken credit for it but could'nt provide all the evidence.

Well it really depends, if they were doing it for the entertainment factor, perhaps just tricking people was enough.
Or perhaps they had a more serious reason, like trying to get people to change by creating it.[/quote:w2rcrtsq]


I haven't heard of anyone taking serious credit for it.


Wouldn't be very hard to prove that you were the hoaxer in such a situation.



:)


Thanks for the feedback Iori.

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

No. 4: Undecided

Certain aspects of his story resonate with an earnest, heartfelt concern for the future.

If a hoax, then the perpetrator had an uncanny sense of "future" events.

If the truth, then we could all be seriously fucked, however, there remains a grain of hope for the survivors of what may yet loom on the horizon.

In the meantime, I'm on the fence.

[Dragonfire]

I'm on record as believing the story.

about the Iraq war:

None of the things I have said will be a surprise. They were set in motion ten, twenty, even thirty years ago. Are you really surprised to find out that Iraq has nukes now or is that just BS to whip everyone up into accepting the next war?

about the Olympics:

After 2004 no official olympics are held due to overseas conflicts.

CERN research:

The one [experiment at CERN] I'm referring to involves very high energies using protons. From my historical perspective on my worldline, I do recall the issue was a point of contention about 18 months ago or so. There were some scientists who thought the experiments were too dangerous to try. My comments about the CERN lab are in reference to particle accelerators in general and other questions that have come up in the past. The major physics break through for controlled gravity distortion does happen at CERN in your future. Heck, we haven't even touched on "Z" field compression yet. A great deal of the theoretical mathematics behind time travel was discovered by testing various ideas in string theory and eliminating the anomalies. As I recall, it was this original work that led to the final proof that six dimensions do indeed curl up to give us our observable universe. This in turn supported more of the theoretical math behind time travel.
This hasn't been proven yet, but they sure are making the news as of late.

More and more scientists are coming out and saying that not only is time travel possible but its probable.

As for Waco type events the resent string of tax protesters under siege from the federal government, the Browns and there is another one going on now. The recent crack down by the federal government of the Mormon sect {taking 401 kids from them) plus if you add around 300 people killed by tasers, doesn't prove crap.

I'm not 100% that his story is true, but the story is fascinating anyway.

Plus if he really was a time traveler we have to keep in mind the events he decribed occurred in His time line or world line not ours.

[Lexion]

Titor is a bullshit artiste'.

He says what people in
certain circles want to hear.

Please, let Titor rest in the
flames he went down in.

Regards,
Lex

[Yo Mama]

I have no opinion one way or the other, because I don't know enough about it, and if it's over, I honestly don't really care that much. LOL

However, to Jasn's point about why would they suddenly stop after it went on so long is easily answered. Hucksters and con men always leave you wanting more, so that you are easier to bilk next time, even eager for it. It's good showmanship.

Perhaps the perpetrator, if a hoaxer, wanted not to get people to believe his story, but to leave something for people to talk about for a long time to come.

If it was solved, people would soon move on to the next thing. Leaving it open this way keeps it alive in a way a real ending never would.

[Oblivion]

GN is correct, shes a smart cookie that one!.

coming out and revealing your hoax puts it all to bed permanently.
leave it open and you can laugh for years about how people are STILL falling for it hook, line and sinker.

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[Dragonfire]

I can't prove it is real and nobody anywhere has been able to prove it's a hoax.

I have stated that I don't 100% believe the story, but I do find it interesting the future he described now resembles our world more and more everyday. There are several points to his story that IMHO must come to pass in order for it to be true, Olympics being canceled and a civil war in America, Time will tell.

If I had more time I would research the newest theories on time travel and lay it out here, I would also like to compare things he said to our present, but I don't have the time. The Titor story has been beaten to death, without any real conclusions.

[Boondock]

i don't know man...logic tells me fuck no but i really want to believe it...

IF it is a hoax i think it would have been busted all to shit by now....as far as the hoaxer bowing out, i don't know bout that either..

this was/is a HUGE 'hoax'...i just don't see the prankster being able to walk away like that....i would think he would need to come back and spread more info....

[JiveTurkey]

i don't know man...logic tells me fuck no but i really want to believe it...

IF it is a hoax i think it would have been busted all to shit by now....as far as the hoaxer bowing out, i don't know bout that either..

this was/is a HUGE 'hoax'...i just don't see the prankster being able to walk away like that....i would think he would need to come back and spread more info....



Agreed. 120%

[Dragonfire]

Well some one has to argue, we all can't be on the same side, but I'm arguing with charter right now, they want me to pay the bill and I don't wanna!!!

so I might get booted from the internets soon, and I don't wanna start something I can't finish.

Surely Titor knew of this, somehow this is related to bike tires, but I'm still working on it!!

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

There couldn't be any new information for two reasons.

1) If false, by the simple act of introducing more info after the story ended the hoaxer would negate Titor's story of having returned to (nearly) his own time.

2) If true, he wouldn't be here to introduce any new info, unless...

...he left clues during his jump back to the 70's just prior to returning back to (nearly) his own time.

Any "new" information would have to come from the 70's.

But only if the 70's timeline he jumped into is the same one we live in now.

If I remember right, he jumped through at least three possible divergences on his journey.

The multiverse concept is what makes the truth of his story so wickedly elusive.

And so entertaining to consider.

[Iori Komei]

this was/is a HUGE 'hoax'...i just don't see the prankster being able to walk away like that....i would think he would need to come back and spread more info....

If I remember correctly there was some claim that some other person from the future came back to tell everyone Titor had died of old age or something like that, so I suppose that would count as a return of sorts.


Anyhow it's not that hard to believe that someone c/would just stop, I mean it's what I would do.


NOTE:
I would'nt do anything like that though since it goes against one of the highest ethical standards I have, that is not distorting the truth and/or lieing.

[cavemanDD]

He comes from alternate reality. ;)

His future is different, but his past relatively the same, so for him to travel back in his past, could essentially tie in with our reality, and the same goes for any other reality...

I don't know, but i'm entertaining the possibility... simply because I think the john titor story is awesome.

I think we jump through different realities repeatadly, at the speed of light.. everytime we.. or every object in the universe diverges from its projected course... And just that, if realities are infinite in amount and possibility, i don't find it a stretch that we could shape our own reality to fit our needs. I don't know.. too tired to get into that one!

Its quite interesting.. I've been meditating daily for a while now, and have started to notice that I get these insane messages in my head between sleep and waking life... this morning i woke up and... for a second.. I think I knew exactly how time worked.. ;) Its pretty simple... lol... I need to meditate on in the information.

It sounds insane but again.. I'd have to start from the begginning of how I percieve my reality.. And thats what this john titor business is all about isn't it? It isn't so much about him, as much as what the story represents... That we should push the boundaries of how we percieve our existence.

[anarch]

hahaha I was not the only person that said yes! Thank you Dragon Fire!

[skunk]

:facepalm: Dude, titor? Come on.

[LaResistencia]

I voted no. I usually consider myself to be pretty open-minded. But, this is just WAY out there.