Have you ever wanted to move to a deserted island?

[Dragonfire]

Do you wish to move away from this society or civilization? To be apart of a community that if you left it would be the fruits of your labor that would be missed the most.

It would be a democracy I would just want to be one of the founding fathers so to speak, and it would be quite different from other communes, much different.

Survival of its members would be the number one goal. Survival in the since of whatever may happen each member would survive no matter what happens. If society would collapse we would be able to produce our own food, water, energy, but if society didn't fall I would want to provide health care coverage and retirement.

To do this capitalism would need to be one cornerstone of this group. The group would become a corporation, but it's goal would not be profit, the goal would be the survival of each member. Part of the group would have to work in this society and earn a paycheck but instead of keeping all of the money, the money would go into a pool for the communities use, also whatever the community produced a percentage would go to the communities use, a percentage would go to stockpiling, and a certain percentage would be sold to go into the communities pool. The part of this group that didn't work outside of the community would make crafts, farm and raise livestock, and develop the land for the groups use. All members would work in the community, we would need to operate and maintain several vehicles, and basically we would still need to survive in our present world, while attempting to live outside of it.

The group would decide what the money would go for, the group would need to pay taxes and insurance on the property. The group could not produce everything it needs to stockpile {sugar, medical supplies, weapons, tools, energy sources, building materials, land} Also each member would be provided heathcare insurance, and some type of retirement fund, the corporation would allow use to get a group healthcare plan and basically all members would become employee of this group, the high council or whatever you wanna call it would make the decisions on what the group purchased, membership, and basic goals of this group.

Personally I would like to grow veggies, spices, and raise quail, pheasants, and various types of chickens, I know someone who quit Ford to raise chucker’s and he makes almost a million a year doing it, and maybe a fish farm, all using alternative energy resources, I wouldn't even wanna be connected to the power grid. the group could also raise many other types of livestock, but really a dozen quail eggs sell for $15.

I would rather not embrace the whole capitalism aspect, but I don't wanna be a beggar either, and some financial freedom for the members would go a long way to help in reducing the stress when a person approaches retirement in case society doesn't fall.

the goal would be to prepare for anything from nothing happening to a nuke war.

I'm not into a Amish type of community, I do want to use technology, but not necessarily in each home, or each home would be powered individually we could set up one building to be powered and have computers {this is where our internet business would be} and movies and basically it would be a modern entertainment thingy.

ok just a few ideas any other ideas?

[JiveTurkey]

You've got one on board with you if you ever decide to put this plan into action.



I'm not into any sort of "sect" type bullshit, but I would definitely JUMP at the chance to own/live on a deserted island with a small close knit community.


I have been seriously thinking about this since I heard a 10 or so square mile island sold on ebay for like 12 grand several years back.


Hell, I'd even be up for getting together with a group, pooling resources and buying up a few square miles in the states and starting a community of like minded people all working together for the same purpose.


Fuck the government, we could pay the bribes (taxes) to them to keep them out of our shit.



Jasn

[Dragonfire]

This would not be based on any religion, those types of groups usually end with cool-aid or lots of smoke and fire.

Think of it like a huge family farm we could raise livestock of all kinds, plus crops, plus crafts like basket weaving, leather crafts, and whatever else you could think of. We could set up a open air market.

I would rather not do the money angle at all, but in this world we would need money to buy technology, pay taxes and insurance.

We could set up our own school not in the education of kids, well we could do that too, but in teaching the surrounding community whatever skills we bring to this and learn from this.

I personally love the island idea, but to find one with fresh water, and well above sea level and still be accessible to merchandise would be a trick.

Our goal would be community as family and think green.

Of course any alternative lifestyle is frowned upon in this society, but this society is evil and only serves profit.

It would be great to work for US, and not the FED.

We would want to make ourselves as independent and self sufficient as possible. We would need money to buy the tools and equipment and land, that part sucks but I see no other way around it.

[Tetsujin]

So your talking about serving ourselves rather then the banks? :shock: 8) I love this idea. I was looking into islands about 4 months ago after a long ATS chat on the subject. All I can say is where do I sign?

[Dragonfire]

So your talking about serving ourselves rather then the banks? :shock: 8) I love this idea. I was looking into islands about 4 months ago after a long ATS chat on the subject. All I can say is where do I sign?

Serving ourselves is right on! rather than being a slave to the FED, or at least attempting this.

I dunno where to sign up yet!!

Island would be Ideal, but It might have to be in the US instead

[Bitchkoma]

Been there, done that (sort of). I'd still rather be an island in the city. Don't get me wrong, I can rely on myself for all my basic needs. But I really do like life in the city, the hustle and bustle of traffic and people going about their lives in urban environments. It's a different sort of "nature watch". One far more fascinating in it's complex interactions to me.

Plus theres all the conveniences you won't find on a deserted island. Really, that sort of drudgery without all these conveniences like piped water or gas/fuel just down the road quickly becomes tired and expired.

[skunk]

I don't necessarily want to move to a deserted island per say, but I do plan on leaving "society."

I am leaving this country, that much is certain.

I have a plan for going down to south america and starting over. That would not mean leaving society and going sober. I would essentially live a few hours outside a city/large town and a few miles outside a small village so if I needed anything I'd be able to pick it up locally. And if any huge problem happened I'd be able to head over to the major city.

If you mean america by society then yes I am leaving :)

[Tetsujin]

I've never been able to like city living. The closest "city" is around 100,000 people and thats 20 miles from here. My whole family has been hermit like.

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

A protected spring fed water source is key, everything else can be adapted to the location.

A long enough growing season to make the collective nutritionally and economically self-supporting.

Two (or was it three?) days walk from everywhere else.

Completely off the grid in all respects to be a preeminent goal, utilizing a combination of alternative energy sources to satisfy the need/desire for modern conveniences and necessities.

(Can't go without the intertubes.)

Like-minded, congenial and co-operative, hard working individuals each with a share and a voice in the administration of the collective, based upon the mutually agreed upon value of their contribution to the collective as a whole.

A sound constitution.

A rotating body of leaders who would be drawn by lots, with regards to those who have recently served, to represent the collective in it's dealings with the demands of the outside world.

Everyone should be required to learn how to properly execute all the responsibilities of, and to take turns through, the various positions of leadership.

An island is subject to the whims of sea-level and currents, I'm thinking Canada.

The above are just my first thoughts upon examining the concept.

Sounds very appealing.

I'd like to offer my skills, both present and future, such as they may be, towards the realization of this dream.

Here's to New AmKonica! :D

[Dragonfire]

A protected spring fed water source is key, everything else can be adapted to the location.

We would use solar powered pumps, but also set up hand pumps, and we would need to construct irrigation systems possibly terraced garden plots.


A long enough growing season to make the collective nutritionally and economically self-supporting.

We would want vast spice gardens both outdoor and greenhouses, we could raise rabbits in the greenhouses they give off 8 btu of heat each. We would want to grow our own feed for livestock. I'm thinking using 1/3 storing 1/3 and selling 1/3 of everything we produce.



Completely off the grid in all respects to be a preeminent goal, utilizing a combination of alternative energy sources to satisfy the need/desire for modern conveniences and necessities.

(Can't go without the intertubes.)

At first modern conveniences would be centralized, unless we have a bunch of money to start with. A command center if you will with satellite cable and internets, and a gathering place for assemblies and entertainment and where we would decide what work needs done and who is going to do it.


Like-minded, congenial and co-operative, hard working individuals each with a share and a voice in the administration of the collective, based upon the mutually agreed upon value of their contribution to the collective as a whole.

We would need to embrace capitalism {to make money to by things we need like building supplies, tools, power sources, medical needs, and a library, seeds, livestock, ect..ect} We would need to embrace communism {in that we would give to the tribe, if we worked outside of this we would need to contribute a high percentage of what was earned to the group for stated needs, not much room for materialism in this group} We would need to embrace democracy.


A sound constitution.

A rotating body of leaders who would be drawn by lots, with regards to those who have recently served, to represent the collective in it's dealings with the demands of the outside world.

Everyone should be required to learn how to properly execute all the responsibilities of, and to take turns through, the various positions of leadership.

A high council of 3 with a defined term limit, after serving on the council you retain the rank of elder.

The council would recommend what direction the tribe should go in the coming year and how to achieve this and to come up with a budget. They would act as the president and congress.

The elders would be the judiciary they would recommend laws for the tribe.

These 2 groups would lay out the recommendations then the tribe would vote on each issue.

this is just a rough draft. We would also need chiefs/ foreman's we do need work to get done and a since of direction.


An island is subject to the whims of sea-level and currents, I'm thinking Canada.

I'm not sure is Americans can just goto Canada and live, I'm thinking from Northern Missouri or anywhere north of there.


I'd like to offer my skills, both present and future, such as they may be, towards the realization of this dream.

Here's to New AmKonica! :D

Yeah me 2!!!

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

Yeah, "tribe," I like that better than "collective."

Canada has a more enlightened policy towards the growing of hemp, is what I was thinking, but it's changing here in the States.

[skunk]

If you're worried about hemp, check out Chile. Its legal :).

Plus you can get some fine herb and china white down there too. Not too shabby. Plus plus plus....Its cheap as anything to live.

[Foxtrot Oscar]

While this all sounds good on paper or intertubez or whatever you kids are calling it these days!!

I see one major problem...

You fuckers would all get stoned out of your tiny little minds and no one would ever do any work!

Hmmmm I'm in!

Fox

[whaaa]

Island living isn't all it's cracked up to be. At least in the tropics the bugs can drive you crazy. My experience off the coast of Belize, sucked. Perhaps I was there at the wrong time of the year. The bonefishing was great however.

I hear the San Juan Islands in the North west are nice, but damp.

I like Bitchkoma's idea of an Urban Island. Maybe an apartment house filled with a "tribe" coop situation.

[Kacen]

I don't necessarily want to move to a deserted island per say, but I do plan on leaving "society."

I am leaving this country, that much is certain.

I have a plan for going down to south america and starting over. That would not mean leaving society and going sober. I would essentially live a few hours outside a city/large town and a few miles outside a small village so if I needed anything I'd be able to pick it up locally. And if any huge problem happened I'd be able to head over to the major city.

If you mean america by society then yes I am leaving :)

Good, free me up the trouble of cleansing out cancer such as yourself by leaving.

Latin America is a cesspool of Socialism and Catholics, ripe for bombardment. Would be nice to know I'd take you out in the process, too.

You're treasonous scum.

[vckums]

ouch :?

[Yo Mama]

Are we having a bit of a rough day, Kacen?

[1972]

I don't necessarily want to move to a deserted island per say, but I do plan on leaving "society."

I am leaving this country, that much is certain.

I have a plan for going down to south america and starting over. That would not mean leaving society and going sober. I would essentially live a few hours outside a city/large town and a few miles outside a small village so if I needed anything I'd be able to pick it up locally. And if any huge problem happened I'd be able to head over to the major city.

If you mean america by society then yes I am leaving :)

Good, free me up the trouble of cleansing out cancer such as yourself by leaving.

Latin America is a cesspool of Socialism and Catholics, ripe for bombardment. Would be nice to know I'd take you out in the process, too.

You're treasonous scum.

Well aren't you just special?

Look, look everyone; we've got us a productive member of society over here! He's must be better than us all. I mean fuck, Jersey is the armpit of America, so surely you would be in the know. And for your said cleasing to begin, wouldn't you have to move out of your mom's basement first?

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

I don't necessarily want to move to a deserted island per say, but I do plan on leaving "society."

I am leaving this country, that much is certain.

I have a plan for going down to south america and starting over. That would not mean leaving society and going sober. I would essentially live a few hours outside a city/large town and a few miles outside a small village so if I needed anything I'd be able to pick it up locally. And if any huge problem happened I'd be able to head over to the major city.

If you mean america by society then yes I am leaving :)

Good, free me up the trouble of cleansing out cancer such as yourself by leaving.

Latin America is a cesspool of Socialism and Catholics, ripe for bombardment. Would be nice to know I'd take you out in the process, too.

You're treasonous scum.


ROTFLMAO!

Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel!

[MBF]

I would like to live on a deserted island by myself with plenty of fresh water and food. As soon as I become a multi billionaire, I think I will buy me one. I have no problems with a visitor every now and then, but I could live by myself. I think Mel Gibson bought one a few years ago for $15 million.