"Meat is Murder"

[JiveTurkey]

Murder: The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.

This is another of those tree hugger deals that really chaps my ass. This whole concept that it's wrong to eat meat because killing an animal for a source of food is "murder".


While I am VERY VERY much opposed to "trophy hunting" (killing shit you don't eat so you can hang it on your wall or brag about it with your buddies), I think it's fucking ridiculous to hint that killing a cow for FOOD and NOURISHMENT is the equivalent of killing another human being.

This logic fits right up there with anti-abortion types who kill the pregnant mothers and doctors (not to mention the "KID" they claim to be fighting for) via bomb/gun/etc at multiple clinics throughout the country in the "WE ARE FUCKING MORONS" category. (NOTE: I didn't say it was LIKE an anti-abortionist, I said the LOGIC was the same......read: SENSELESS)

To say that the killing of an animal by a human being for the sole purpose of obtaining FOOD is murder is just as fucking senseless as calling any other carnivore (omnivore) a murderer.

As "civilized" as we like to think that we are, we are still animals and, for the reason, we still have basic needs and one of the MAIN needs we have is to eat. Naturally, not all animals were born to eat meat, but, we just so happened to be one of those that was. In order for us to fill this NATURAL desire, other animals must die. It might be sad, but it's a part of fucking life.


If you PERSONALLY choose not to eat meat (for whatever reasons), that's fine by me. But your saying that MY choice to eat meat is equal to "murder" is fucking stupid.



My being born a omnivore does NOT make me a fucking murderer.



Jackasses.


Jasn







Oh yea, how do you guys know that plants don't have a similar sense of "feeling" to the rest of us on the planet? I know that plants grown in a "nurturing" environment will tend to grow more full and live longer.

[vckums]

*sniffles* I wish there was a star or karma button to click.

I said my feelings on another thread.

[Iori Komei]

The definition of murder is terribly anthropocentric.

Personally I consider it murder if it involves the killing of a Human, a great ape, a dolphin a whale or an Elephant, and perhaps Humboldt squids, essentially anything that is sentient or very near sentient.

I don't approve of killing other animals, but when it comes to definitions I don't use it that broadly, though many uber animal rights groups do.

[Dragonfire]

The fact is in order for us to survive, something has to die, whether it be animal, or plant, unless chemicals are all you eat.

If killing a animal for food is wrong, wouldn't killing a tree for paper, construction, or furniture be equally wrong?

Even if we didn't live in a industrialized world, the world is still predatory that is a fact. Death causes life, death makes life possible, we didn't make the rules, we just have to follow them or parish ourselves.

[JiveTurkey]

The fact is in order for us to survive, something has to die, whether it be animal, or plant, unless chemicals are all you eat.

If killing a animal for food is wrong, wouldn't killing a tree for paper, construction, or furniture be equally wrong?

Even if we didn't live in a industrialized world, the world is still predatory that is a fact. Death causes life, death makes life possible, we didn't make the rules, we just have to follow them or parish ourselves.



Exactly.


It's nature, not murder.



However, as I said earlier, killing animals with high powered rifles from a quarter mile away so you can use their heads as decoration is equally stupid.


if you want to hunt for sport, I say use knives.


If you can kill a full sized buck or a bear with a knife, you have fucking accomplished something and have earned my undying respect.


Jasn



Edit to add: While I'm on the subject of bears, I wish more of these animal rights types would go live with them for awhile like that one fuckwit did.

Bears dig tasty activists. Fucking murderers! haha

[Iori Komei]

If killing a animal for food is wrong, wouldn't killing a tree for paper, construction, or furniture be equally wrong?


I fit's not being done in a responsible way that keeps the plant species surviving, then yes.

The fundamental difference is thought and emotional and physical feeling.
Plants don't think and can not feel emotionally or physically, animals can, that's, when it comes down to it the difference between plants and animals generally.

[JiveTurkey]

Plants don't think and can not feel emotionally or physically, animals can, that's, when it comes down to it the difference between plants and animals generally.



Prove it!


I disagree entirely. As I said before, plants respond to emotional stimulus the same as animals do.

Because they can't cry out does not mean they do not feel.


J

[Iori Komei]

PLant's don't have a neuronal structure that would form a barin and no nervous system to transmit physical stimuli, therefore scientifically they can not think or feel.

[Dragonfire]

I'm a hunter, it's natural for me to be one with the native American blood in me. I enjoy it, and I'm good at it, but you must respect what your hunting.

One time when I was a teen after partying a little too much me and a friend went squirrel hunting, I got 2, but when we went home I ended up passing out before cleaning what I had bagged. The guilt I felt for what I had done was overwhelming. On top of that my father found out, and well it wasn't pretty, anyway that event changed my out look on the hunt. I do not hunt anymore unless I plan out the entire trip, including getting enough rest so this never happens again.

It also changed the way I hunt, before this I always had a semi-auto weapon, now ya have to ask yourself is this really hunting? Do the game really have a chance? uh no if you can aim correctly and throw a bunch of lead in there direction, they are often times doomed.

After this hunt I changed to using black powder weapons, one shot one kill. To me this is hunting.

Now these farms or clubs where they set you up in a spot and hand you a gun, and tell you to shot that one there, is Not hunting.

A person that kills for the sake of killing, is a murderer, and ya have to wonder if they really have a soul.

[Dragonfire]

Sometimes it happens that a person can name the exact moment when his or her life changed irrevocably. For Cleve Backster, it was early morning on February 2, 1966, at thirteen minutes, fifty-five seconds of chart time for a polygraph he was administering. One of the world's experts on polygraphs, and the creator of the Backster Zone Comparison Test, the standard used by lie detection examiners worldwide, Backster had threatened the subject's well-being in hopes of triggering a response. The subject had responded electrochemically to this threat. The subject was a plant.

source (http://www.derrickjensen.org/backster.html)

[JiveTurkey]

And the angel of the lord came unto me. snatching me up from my place of slumber, and took me on
High, and higher still until we moved through the spaces betwixt the air itself. and he brought me into a
Vast farmland of our own midwest. and as we descended, cries of impending doom arose from the
Soil. one thousand, nay, a million voices full of fear. and terror possessed me then. and I begged:
angel of the lord, what are these tortured screams? and the angel said unto me: these are the cries
Of the carrots. the cries of the carrot. you see, reverend maynard, tomorrow is harvest day, and to
Them, it is the holocaust. and I sprang from my slumber drenched in sweat with the tears of one million
Terrified brothers and roared: hear me now, I have seen the light. they have a consciousness! they
Have a life! they have a soul. damn you! let the rabbits wear glasses. save our brothers. can I get an
Amen. can I get a haleluia. thank you, jesus.

This is necessary.
Life feeds on life.


TooL - "Disgustipated"


:P


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[Yo Mama]

Oh yea, how do you guys know that plants don't have a similar sense of "feeling" to the rest of us on the planet? I know that plants grown in a "nurturing" environment will tend to grow more full and live longer.

There was a scientist in the 70's that did experiments that supposedly showed that vegetables did have a sort of sentience, though I am not sure if his work was debunked or not. At any rate, the book was a very interesting read:

The Secret Life of Plants (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_Life_of_Plants)

Life feeds on life. We are not exceptions to the rule. Something has to die in order for us to live.

[Yo Mama]

After this hunt I changed to using black powder weapons, one shot one kill. To me this is hunting.

Now these farms or clubs where they set you up in a spot and hand you a gun, and tell you to shot that one there, is Not hunting.



Or a helicopter. :roll:

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

Many of the precepts of Jainism, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jainism) one of the world's oldest religions, are quite noble, among them the concept that everything has a soul.


Compassion for all life, human and non-human, is central to Jainism.

Jainism's stance on nonviolence goes far beyond vegetarianism. Jains refuse food obtained with unnecessary cruelty. Many practice a lifestyle similar to Veganism due to the violence of modern dairy farms, and others exclude root vegetables from their diets in order to preserve the lives of the plants from which they eat.


Now that's hardcore.

Here's something else, for our resident atheists:


Jains do not believe in an omnipotent supreme being, creator or manager (kartā), but rather in an eternal universe governed by natural laws.

Eternal, as in no beginning and no end:


According to Jain beliefs, the universe was never created, nor will it ever cease to exist. Therefore, history of the universe is shaswat (infinite). It has no beginning or end, but time is cyclical in nature with progressive and regressive spirituality phases.

Disclaimer: I'm not a Jain, I'm a student of Taoism, but I find much of Jainism to admire.

[gunner]

Thank you Jasn. This is one of those topics that makes me fighting mad. I am a hunter, but I hunt for meat only, for meat and to get out beyond the pavement. I do it so my family can eat the purest protein available, I do respect animals, I couldnt handle something suffering. I kill as quick as I can, but I also live in the real world where animals are food, to think that the food chain isnt supposed to include us is retarded. Human beings are predators, I know I am a predator, maybe it is the indian blood in me, or maybe the fact that I havent bought into the new age bull shit.

I also disagree with the trophy hunting for the purpose of killing to display a head on your wall. However it is still someones right to do whatever they want, I disagree and think it is a chicken shit thing to do, but whatever.

I watch these hunting shows, and these guys have these big ass range finding optics on them, I mean I watched one and this guy had a frigging telescope on top of his gun. You might as well sit at your PC and hunt that way, which was going there for awhile. Again though you want to do it, do it I dont give a shit, you are a fucking worthless human being in my mind but go ahead.

There lies the point, if you dont want to eat meat, fine dont, but dont call me a fucking murderer because I do. That goes for more then just eating meat, just leave me the fuck alone, I am tired of some asshole looking over my shoulder all the time.

As others have said, life feeds on life, behind everything is a gut pile. You eat what you eat, I will eat what I eat, if I am wrong I will answer to whoever in the end, but you can take your holier then thou attitude about me being a murderer and shove it up your ass!! Fuckers.

[Yo Mama]

Jainism is interesting, but as a "militant" atheist, I don't believe in souls, either.

Which makes all you fuckers fair game for eating! Who's going on the BBQ?

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

Eat me! heh!

[JiveTurkey]

Jainism is interesting, but as a "militant" atheist, I don't believe in souls, either.

Which makes all you fuckers fair game for eating! Who's going on the BBQ?


Daddy's got plenty of muscle and just the right amount of fat so bring it on baby!


hahaha



Gunner,

I'm with ya. Just because I despise the practice of snipe hunting for trophies, that doesn't mean that those fucktards who do it don't have a right to do so.


I would seriously pay money to see those trophy hunters switch to knives.



Man w/ Knife vs. Deer ------ Entertainment at it's finest.




Jasn

[Bitchkoma]

There was a scientist in the 70's that did experiments that supposedly showed that vegetables did have a sort of sentience, though I am not sure if his work was debunked or not.

I think that groups of plants do actually have the capability to think, with each plant acting like a nerve cell. Do you know that each plant actually communicates chemically with it's neighbours with chemicals released through their stoma and chemicals released through their intertwined roots. Ponder on that.

[Yo Mama]

Ouch. It's been debunked all right. Thoroughly. (http://skepdic.com/plants.html)

[Martian Exile]

If God did not want to eat animals, then why did he make them out of meat?

As to whales, they are just seagoing moo cows, let’s eat them too.

[JiveTurkey]

Ouch. It's been debunked all right. Thoroughly. (http://skepdic.com/plants.html)


I have no faith in debunkers.


They always have an agenda.


Plus, I'm not a plant. Therefore I am incapable of stating factually that plants either do or do not "feel".


I am not so pompous as to assume that plants may have a system of feeling that humans do not understand.



:)

J

[Yo Mama]

I have no faith in debunkers.


They always have an agenda.


Hey! I resemble that remark.

What's my agenda, then, smartass? :P

Oh, wait, I'm a skeptic. That's a skeptic site. Not exactly debunked, just skepticized.

[Iori Komei]

With talk of in-vitro synthetic meat in recent weeks, I wonder if in-vitro meat comes to be economic and capable of being produced in large scales, could the killing of animals for food in cases that are'nt out of pure survival remain to be legal.

In vitro meat is meat, the only difference is that an animal was'nt killed for it, and the production of the meat requires much fewer resources.
So, if meat can be made this way, and is economically viable and is capable of being made in large scales, I don't think that killing animals for meat can be argued anymore, unless you're in the middle of the woods and lost and have nothing to eat.

[vckums]

From Wiki

If in vitro meat is different in appearance, taste, smell, texture and other factors; this may reduce its appeal. The lack of fat and bone may also be a disadvantage, for these parts make appreciable culinary contributions. Many food items, such as surimi, designed to substitute for other ingredients (for reasons from morality to expense) have become independently sought out for their own properties.


If that does happen, people won't buy it.

[dk3000]

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm54/onlydk/stars.gif
Murder: The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.

This is another of those tree hugger deals that really chaps my ass. This whole concept that it's wrong to eat meat because killing an animal for a source of food is "murder".


While I am VERY VERY much opposed to "trophy hunting" (killing shit you don't eat so you can hang it on your wall or brag about it with your buddies), I think it's fucking ridiculous to hint that killing a cow for FOOD and NOURISHMENT is the equivalent of killing another human being.

This logic fits right up there with anti-abortion types who kill the pregnant mothers and doctors (not to mention the "KID" they claim to be fighting for) via bomb/gun/etc at multiple clinics throughout the country in the "WE ARE FUCKING MORONS" category. (NOTE: I didn't say it was LIKE an anti-abortionist, I said the LOGIC was the same......read: SENSELESS)

To say that the killing of an animal by a human being for the sole purpose of obtaining FOOD is murder is just as fucking senseless as calling any other carnivore (omnivore) a murderer.

As "civilized" as we like to think that we are, we are still animals and, for the reason, we still have basic needs and one of the MAIN needs we have is to eat. Naturally, not all animals were born to eat meat, but, we just so happened to be one of those that was. In order for us to fill this NATURAL desire, other animals must die. It might be sad, but it's a part of fucking life.


If you PERSONALLY choose not to eat meat (for whatever reasons), that's fine by me. But your saying that MY choice to eat meat is equal to "murder" is fucking stupid.



My being born a omnivore does NOT make me a fucking murderer.



Jackasses.


Jasn







Oh yea, how do you guys know that plants don't have a similar sense of "feeling" to the rest of us on the planet? I know that plants grown in a "nurturing" environment will tend to grow more full and live longer.

I agree here is video that people should see:

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For more information:

www.sharkonline.org (http://www.sharkonline.org)

I am almost vegan...Doing a conversion to a raw food diet. Difficult but not impossible.

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm54/onlydk/stars.gifJasnReznick you have earned DK3000 stars for this post!

[vckums]

Sorry passing on the video. I know animals are killed for us to eat meat. I accept that and still eat meat.

As for a rodeo, thats entertainment not food. If it hurts the animal then they shouldn't do it.

[1972]

Isn't it proven somewhere that if one take the time to yell at a plant and tell it that you hate it, even if you continue to water it, that it will die? Run on sentences are fun.

If we aren't supposed to eat animals, why are they made out of meat?

[Yo Mama]

Mmmmm .... vat meat.

I'll try it. I bet it makes good meat pies.

[JiveTurkey]

I have no faith in debunkers.


They always have an agenda.


Hey! I resemble that remark.

What's my agenda, then, smartass? :P

Oh, wait, I'm a skeptic. That's a skeptic site. Not exactly debunked, just skepticized.


Skeptics are yummy.


Debunkers are gay. (Not in the sense that they fuck ppl of the same sex)



J

[JiveTurkey]

With talk of in-vitro synthetic meat in recent weeks, I wonder if in-vitro meat comes to be economic and capable of being produced in large scales, could the killing of animals for food in cases that are'nt out of pure survival remain to be legal.

In vitro meat is meat, the only difference is that an animal was'nt killed for it, and the production of the meat requires much fewer resources.
So, if meat can be made this way, and is economically viable and is capable of being made in large scales, I don't think that killing animals for meat can be argued anymore, unless you're in the middle of the woods and lost and have nothing to eat.



Wouldn't microscopic animals still be killed?


Speaking of which, where are the animal rights activists who protest anti virals/bacterials??


J

[Yo Mama]

Debunkers are gay. (Not in the sense that they fuck ppl of the same sex)



Do I detect a subtle theme in your posts today? :P

[1972]

Debunkers are gay. (Not in the sense that they fuck ppl of the same sex)



Do I detect a subtle theme in your posts today? :P

Wait GN, Jasn may actual be on to something. What if debunkers are in fact gay?

[Yo Mama]

While I have no doubt there are gay debunkers, debunkers aren't automatically gay.

I think that falls into the category of logical fallacy. :D

[1972]

No that GN, was priceless.
Thanks for the chuckle.

[JiveTurkey]

Debunkers are gay. (Not in the sense that they fuck ppl of the same sex)



Do I detect a subtle theme in your posts today? :P


I'm sure that you do chica.


However, that doesn't mean that the theme is actually there.



We have all come to embrace your psychosis and adore (if not worship) you for it.



:)

J

[Yo Mama]

I do not haz sykosiz.

[skunk]

Is meat murder? It depends on what your definition of murder is. If you want to define murder as a person killing another person then no meat is not murder (unless you like people meat, which can be tasty).

If you define murder as the killing of any other living thing, then everyone on this planet is a murderer every day. We kill insects by accident (unless you enjoy squishing spiders like my girlfriend does sick fuck), we kill bacteria with soap, we kill plants/animals to eat them, etc.

To kill for fun is another thing, which could be in fact defined as murder.

I have an O blood type and I have to eat a lot of protein, which in my case comes in the form of meat.

I suggest looking up "Eating right for your blood type" its pretty fascinating stuff. I picked up the book on O blood types and I have to eat more protein than the other blood types.

Some food is actually detrimental to people depending on their blood type. I think it would be interested to study if food allergies are related to blood types and I would postulate they are.

[Iori Komei]

Wouldn't microscopic animals still be killed?

Speaking of which, where are the animal rights activists who protest anti virals/bacterials??

J

Microorganisms are'nt alive in the same way a person or macroscopic animal is, so in this case it's not really killing.
Also, I'm not sure they are using microorganisms to make it anyways, rather just growing the relevant tissue out of organic substances.

Anyone who protests killing viruses or bacteria in general should have their head checked I think, since you can't not do that, even if you spend your whole life floating in space with nutrient packs.

Now of course the case of not killing a certain viral strain or bacterium could be made, but for reasons that have to do with either developing a vaccine or if that certain bacteria is an integral part of a small ecosystem.

[JiveTurkey]

Is meat murder? It depends on what your definition of murder is. If you want to define murder as a person killing another person then no meat is not murder (unless you like people meat, which can be tasty).

If you define murder as the killing of any other living thing, then everyone on this planet is a murderer every day. We kill insects by accident (unless you enjoy squishing spiders like my girlfriend does sick fuck), we kill bacteria with soap, we kill plants/animals to eat them, etc.

To kill for fun is another thing, which could be in fact defined as murder.

I have an O blood type and I have to eat a lot of protein, which in my case comes in the form of meat.

I suggest looking up "Eating right for your blood type" its pretty fascinating stuff. I picked up the book on O blood types and I have to eat more protein than the other blood types.

Some food is actually detrimental to people depending on their blood type. I think it would be interested to study if food allergies are related to blood types and I would postulate they are.


Holy shit, could that explain my extreme desire for meat (especially red meat)???


I seriously feel like total shit if I have to go more than a day without eating some form of meat.


A steak will usually pick me right up.


J

[Yo Mama]

Just to rain on the parade, because it's my hobby, the blood type diet is considered quackery by actual scientists, as opposed to the naturopath who dreamed it up.

Read about it HERE (http://www.skepdic.com/bloodtypediet.html).

[skunk]

You can't keep debunking things with the skeptic.com site. They're quacks too just so you know.

And who said I believe "actual scientists"? Homeopathy is on my list of favorite things, especially herbalism.

[dk3000]

Debunkers are gay. (Not in the sense that they fuck ppl of the same sex)



Do I detect a subtle theme in your posts today? :P

Wait GN, Jasn may actual be on to something. What if debunkers are in fact gay?

This would certainly explain why ATS Staff/owners are all..... well, you know.........http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm54/onlydk/group.gif

[skunk]

Eating right for your blood type and body type exist. If you follow an Ayurvedic philosophy, there are at least 3 different body types.

I happen to be a fast metabolizing tall skinny ashy white kid. I can't help it. I eat whatever I want to and will never gain weight. I work out, don't gain weight. Its a curse I tell you.

[skunk]

Eating right for your blood type and body type exist. If you follow an Ayurvedic philosophy, there are at least 3 different body types.

I happen to be a fast metabolizing tall skinny ashy white kid. I can't help it. I eat whatever I want to and will never gain weight. I work out, don't gain weight. Its a curse I tell you.

[Kacen]

I can't wait until we prove plants have nerve endings and can feel pain then the vegans and vegetarians will all die out if they are dedicated.

They are one of the scums of the earth, and should be purged and cleansed from society as soon as possible. Look what happened when we didn't wipe out the communists in time? Mass murder of all that opposed them. We shouldn't make that mistake again and take our chances to kill these people and their ideology before it spreads more. You want a state founded on veganism or something, with dictators who kill meat eaters?

You think it's funny, but people didn't take communism very seriously when it first happened...

I'm dead fucking serious for once.

[Iori Komei]

I can't wait until we prove plants have nerve endings and can feel pain then the vegans and vegetarians will all die out if they are dedicated.


The don't have them, so it's moot.
Besides it's not like you have to eat something that was alive to survive, you could technically healthily survive on nutrient mixtures.




They are the scum of the earth, and should be purged as soon as possible. Look what happened when we didn't wipe out the communists in time? Mass murder. We shouldn't make that mistake again and kill these people.

Yes, well quite a few people probably think the same thing of you.

Alos no one has ever been killed by Communist regimes, by Lenninist, Stallinist Maoist and other bastardizatios of the ideoogy yes, but no true Communist country has ever killed anyone since there has never been a true Communist country.

[skunk]

I can't wait until we prove plants have nerve endings and can feel pain then the vegans and vegetarians will all die out if they are dedicated.

There was a study done that plants respond to pain. That doesn't mean vegans/vegetarians won't eat because of it. We need sustenance to survive.


They are the scum of the earth, and should be purged as soon as possible. Look what happened when we didn't wipe out the communists in time? Mass murder. We shouldn't make that mistake again and kill these people.

You're asking for the mass murder of innocent people, yet you want to prevent it?

That's pretty hypocritical. Fascism has killed more people than communism. The US is a corporate fascist state at this point, as was Hitler's Germany, Mussolini's Italy, Franco's Spain, and many others.

Reading does a body good (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism). And it quells hate and fear, which apparently you're struggling with.

[1972]

I once saw a t-shirt that said this:

Meat is Murder
(front)

Yummy, yummy murder
(back)

For what it's worth

[skunk]

I used to have a bumper sticker that said:

"I love animals...they taste great!" I got many a compliment. And I didn't have my window smashed in my angry hippies either :)

[1972]

I used to have a bumper sticker that said:

"I love animals...they taste great!" I got many a compliment. And I didn't have my window smashed in my angry hippies either :)

LoL

I gave my other one away it read:

"Bacon is a vegetable"

[Cricket]

I don't eat much meat, but I certainly value my right to.

Even though I hate the idea of it, I love the taste of it.

So many different types of meat are goooodd.

But that doesn't mean I have to eat them.

fukkin philistines.

:twisted:

[Kacen]

There was a study done that plants respond to pain. That doesn't mean vegans/vegetarians won't eat because of it. We need sustenance to survive.

Yes but how will they differentiate them and justify that it's okay to eat plants and not animals? Hmm?



You're asking for the mass murder of innocent people, yet you want to prevent it?

I want to prevent mass murder done in the name people I hate and I'm okay with the mass murder of people I hate. Simple enough for you?



That's pretty hypocritical. Fascism has killed more people than communism. The US is a corporate fascist state at this point, as was Hitler's Germany, Mussolini's Italy, Franco's Spain, and many others.

AHAJAJASJKJAHFHFJSgjgshre

Oh man, I laughed then I stabbed my axe into the wall. You're fucking funny and angering me at the same time. Ingorance is so irritating expecially when it's the same widespread ignorance.

Okay, a few things here:

1. Nazi Germany wasn't Fascist. It wasn't corporatist (LOOK UP THE TRUE MEANING OF CORPORATISM), so it didn't match all the requirements. And whether Francoist spain was truly Fascist is debatable, along with Metaxas.

And don't bring up Pinochet he was a capitalist through and through and allowed tons of free trade, although I can't help but get a high for the man knowing how he butchered those scum, filthy communists (seriously, I get euphoria thinking about it). Electroshock torture and dumping them into the Pacific from helicopters with metal wrapped around them for weights mafia-style, awesome. I could jack off to the thought.

2. FASCISM DID NOT KILL MORE PEOPLE THAN COMMUNISM!

Like I said, the only confirmed Fascist country is Italy, and Fascist Italy killed (not counting WWII) roughly 300,000 people, most of those people who in my personal opinion needed to be purged.

And even if you included Nazi Germany, Francoist Spain, Greece's 4th of August Regime, and every other regime ignorant people call "Fascist" these days they won't even add up to the amount of people the Soviets and the Maoist killed by themselves. Stalin killed aproximately three-times as many people as Hitler, for once. And from what I remember Mao killed more people than Stalin, though it's true the majority of people killed were starved due to miscalculations.

3. The U.S.A. is FAR from a Fascist country; it's the most Capitalist place on earth. Yes, Corporatism is NOT Capitalism. The word "Corporatism" has been distorted and turned into an insult and a word of protest by leftist scum, much like how the word Fascism has sadly lost it's meaning. Corporatism is not fucking when there are big Corporations with lot's of power...blah that's just Capitalism. Corporatism, as invisioned by Mussolini (NOT BY HITLER, HE DIDN'T INVENT IT HE JUST COPIED SOME OF THE LOOKS OF FASCISM) is:

When power is given to civic assemblies that represent economic, industrial, agrarian, social, cultural, and professional groups. These civic assemblies are known as corporations (not necessarily the business model known as a 'corporation', though such businesses are not excluded from the definition either). Corporations are unelected bodies with an internal hierarchy; their purpose is to exert control over the social and economic life of their respective areas.. (Taken from wikipedia; did a good job of explaining it.)

Leftists like to throw around the word Corporatist and Capitalist freely as synonyms when they aren't synonyms at all. Sure you can hate/dislike both but don't confuse it over time into the same thing and try to change the meaning. It fucking pisses me off.

Fascists favor Corporatism because it allows control over the market for the good of the state. Fascists dislike Capitalism because Capitalism, when it goes too far, destroys a nation's culture.

Capitalism is why our cultural foods are being turned into mass-produced, disgusting, chemically-pumped unhealthy garbage (McDonalds, etc.).

Capitalism is why we have slutty pop singers disgracing our national anthem by singing it for money.

I could go on but I can't be bothered.

Another blatantly obvious reason why America is far from Fascist is the fact you can literally burn an American flag in public, say "I hate America", "America sucks", "death to America", whatever and the government cannot do shit. If we were Fascist those people would be killed. ALL THE TIME.

Goddess damnit, we're less relatively "Fascist" than some European countries. In some countries such as Poland you can get arrested for treason for burning the flag, for instance.

[Kacen]

Alos no one has ever been killed by Communist regimes, by Lenninist, Stallinist Maoist and other bastardizatios of the ideoogy yes, but no true Communist country has ever killed anyone since there has never been a true Communist country.

They weren't Marxist, but they were Communist.

[Watcher-In-The-Shadows]

Murder: The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.

This is another of those tree hugger deals that really chaps my ass. This whole concept that it's wrong to eat meat because killing an animal for a source of food is "murder".



My response to those twits is *sings* "This is necessary. *shotgun blast* Life feeds on life. Feeds on Life. Feeeeedddsssss oooonnnnnn LLLLLLIIIIIIIIFFFFFEEEEEE!!!!!!"

Disgustipation. Such a good and true song from a damn good band. Tool just in case ya didn't know. :smokin:

[Boondock]

i had a porterhouse last night

[gunner]

I like me a good porter house, we get our meat from a local butcher and he cuts those things fat, damn I think I need some red meat for dinner tonight.

[Yo Mama]

Yummy dead animals. It's what's for dinner.

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[1972]

Murder: The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.

This is another of those tree hugger deals that really chaps my ass. This whole concept that it's wrong to eat meat because killing an animal for a source of food is "murder".



My response to those twits is *sings* "This is necessary. *shotgun blast* Life feeds on life. Feeds on Life. Feeeeedddsssss oooonnnnnn LLLLLLIIIIIIIIFFFFFEEEEEE!!!!!!"

Disgustipation. Such a good and true song from a damn good band. Tool just in case ya didn't know. :smokin:

Woot Woot Maynard!

[theeindiee]

While I definitely have thought about becoming a vegetarian, it is only because of the way they slaughter animals nowadays. They just lead them into a room and a giant fucking tong basically stabs through them.... I've heard various methods... some I think just slice 'em in half with a giant blade.... there's no anesthetic, no consideration of the animal's fear, no respect. They are raised in the most inhumane conditions, pigs and cows are often fed ground up entrails of their fellow dead friends mixed in with grain to save money, and just the most horrible things.

Me personally, I can't kill another animal. I killed a bird with a BB gun once when I was a kid, and I felt so bad about what I did that I made my mom and my friends come and I had a funeral for it.

I just wonder, would I be able to eat meat if I had to kill it myself?

My mother captured some squirrels that were eating through into our attic a couple of winters ago, and she wanted me to drown them! It's illegal to capture squirrels and stuff, but she got a temporary permit to capture them, as long as she drowned them. I COULDN'T fuckin drown a furry little creature! So basically I broke the law a bunch cuz when we captured them, I took them to an area a few miles away and let them go. The asshole neighbor eventually saw what we were doing and took their spiteful bitterness towards their nice polite neighbors and called animal control. We got fined like 150 dollars because I didn't want to kill another living creature.

That's fucked up... and I keep considering quitting meat for good, but it's fuckin' everywhere, practically shoved down our throats. Eating healthy and meat free is expensive!

I often wonder why this is? It's cheaper to grow plant-based food than it is to raise livestock.

We're desensitized to death and murder and killing, and we're trained to eat meat, it seems. Our teeth aren't really designed to be carnivores, and our digestive system has a more difficult time with meat products...

Is this another sick way we've been warped and corrupted by our controllers?

[1972]

I just had a wonderful processed CheeseBurger!!
I was yummy.
But now I have a 5th nipple.
Fuck.

[Bitchkoma]

I had a completely vegetarian meal yesterday. I didn't notice it was completely vegetarian until today. Conclusion: vegetarian meals aren't very memorable. But they're okay.

[Foxtrot Oscar]

I had a completely vegetarian meal yesterday. I didn't notice it was completely vegetarian until today. Conclusion: vegetarian meals aren't very memorable. But they're okay.

So you're off the sea slug then?

Fox

[Bitchkoma]

Oh, I don't eat the sea slugs. They're poisonous. But they crack wonderful jokes.

[Yo Mama]

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It's like they're inside my fridge. LOL

[skunk]

You can't live on meat alone. You'll die.

[Yo Mama]

That's why I also eat bread, cheese and cereal. :P

[skunk]

And your nutrient count is shitty because of it. Oh wait, you probably take supplements :). That's real healthy. What is going to happen when the fossil fuels run out and you can't eat any meat?

Guess Miss Kitty is going to be sprawled out on the BBQ. Does cat taste good fried or charbroiled?

[Yo Mama]

Bridge: crossed when come to.

BTW I hear people taste like pork. Mmmmm.

[Kacen]

The term "Murder" is a political one.

It's unlawful killing.

So what they say is wrong on the semantic level. It is not illegal to kill meat for food.

It's all relative.

[Yo Mama]

Welcome back, Kacen. You over it now? :P

[1972]

BACON!!!!!


http://clubtroppo.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/bacon-burger.jpg

[Yo Mama]

a literal bacon burger.

Wow. :shock:

[skunk]

I am grossed out from the idea of multiple cows being in 1 hamburger meat patty. Its one thing to eat a slab of meat. Fine. But to mix different animals together in some giant orgy of fat, blood, and muscle is another story.

The industrial food machine puts out subpar quality on a daily basis. I can't eat much else other than whole foods these days. Processed food makes me sick.

Knowing where my food comes from is very important as I would like to be self-sufficient, but right now I am not.

[1972]

Shut up and eat your Soylent Green you HIPPY!

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[skunk]

Is that supposed to be an insult? Sorry if I care. Boohoo.

[1972]

You have been away too long.
It was a yoke mang!

[skunk]

That was sarcastic too :). Who's been away :D

[1972]

That was sarcastic too :). Who's been away :D


Sounds to me like you need a good ass fucking!

Milk, milk, lemonade . . .

[skunk]

Round the corner fudge is made???? Are you a fudge packer!?!? Gross.

[Yo Mama]

I am grossed out from the idea of multiple cows being in 1 hamburger meat patty. Its one thing to eat a slab of meat. Fine. But to mix different animals together in some giant orgy of fat, blood, and muscle is another story.



So ... no turducken for you?

[skunk]

That's another story. At least you know its 3 different animals...

[mojo]

Murder: The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.

This is another of those tree hugger deals that really chaps my ass. This whole concept that it's wrong to eat meat because killing an animal for a source of food is "murder".


While I am VERY VERY much opposed to "trophy hunting" (killing shit you don't eat so you can hang it on your wall or brag about it with your buddies), I think it's fucking ridiculous to hint that killing a cow for FOOD and NOURISHMENT is the equivalent of killing another human being.

This logic fits right up there with anti-abortion types who kill the pregnant mothers and doctors (not to mention the "KID" they claim to be fighting for) via bomb/gun/etc at multiple clinics throughout the country in the "WE ARE FUCKING MORONS" category. (NOTE: I didn't say it was LIKE an anti-abortionist, I said the LOGIC was the same......read: SENSELESS)

To say that the killing of an animal by a human being for the sole purpose of obtaining FOOD is murder is just as fucking senseless as calling any other carnivore (omnivore) a murderer.

As "civilized" as we like to think that we are, we are still animals and, for the reason, we still have basic needs and one of the MAIN needs we have is to eat. Naturally, not all animals were born to eat meat, but, we just so happened to be one of those that was. In order for us to fill this NATURAL desire, other animals must die. It might be sad, but it's a part of fucking life.


If you PERSONALLY choose not to eat meat (for whatever reasons), that's fine by me. But your saying that MY choice to eat meat is equal to "murder" is fucking stupid.



My being born a omnivore does NOT make me a fucking murderer.



Jackasses.


Jasn







Oh yea, how do you guys know that plants don't have a similar sense of "feeling" to the rest of us on the planet? I know that plants grown in a "nurturing" environment will tend to grow more full and live longer.

:roll: this.

[MissSilver]

Guess he dated a vegetarian who chewed his ass.

[MissSilver]

Someone close who made him feel bad about eating meat.

[boycotteverything]

I am grossed out from the idea of multiple cows being in 1 hamburger meat patty. Its one thing to eat a slab of meat. Fine. But to mix different animals together in some giant orgy of fat, blood, and muscle is another story.
It's also against Halal and Kosher laws.

[MissSilver]

It's also against Halal and Kosher laws.

The front is so much tastier.

[mojo]

The front is so much tastier.


the front bum is tastier than the back one??

agreed. :D

[Iamsix]

LMAO...Only you

[mojo]

really!!, the door was left wide open, of course im going to walk in. :p