RFIDS

[galm 1]

RFIDS are like barcodes for humans, like the chip in dogs to help identify them. But, are the RFIDS used to control humans? Do they do more than what they tell us?

[Yo Mama]

Doubtful. Otherwise I'd have been able to keep my cats off the counter. :lol:

There isn't enough power or memory in one of those things to be able to override a person, and something like that, unless it could manufacture wiring and whatnot, would have to be implanted in the spine or brain. You'd probably notice something like that even if you were supposed to be an unwilling victim.

The only beef I have with them, other than more Big Brother bullshit, is that studies are showing they can cause tumors at the implant site.

[galm 1]

I idn't realize that they could cause tumors... hmmmm...

[Yo Mama]

Here's the American Medical Veterinary Association's take on it -- keeping in mind that most vets recommend chipping, and some places, like Oakland, require chips in dogs now.


The AVMA is very concerned about press reports and studies linking microchips commonly implanted in cats and dogs to cancer in dogs and laboratory animals.

In a Sept. 13 statement posted online, the AVMA said staff and member veterinarians are actively looking into the potential for electronic identification implants to induce tumors in dogs, cats, or people but must await more definitive data and test results before taking further action.

Considering how a large number of pets have been implanted with microchips with a relatively small number of confirmed cases of tumors associated with microchips, the AVMA advises against a rush to judgment on the technology.

In fact, there is a concern among veterinary medical researchers that some of the research into supposed chip-induced tumors may be flawed, because the animals used were genetically predisposed to cancer. In addition, removal of the chip is a more invasive procedure and not without potential complications.

The AVMA says it's clear a need exists for more scientific research into microchip technology.

This document (http://www.pavma.org/Images/Microchips%20and%20Tumors%20Talking%20Points.pdf) claims that the studies that show growth of tumors had no un-chipped animals as controls.

So, it's still new info, it's not definitive, and really, the huge numbers of animals that have chips versus the very small numbers of animals that have allegedly developed tumors from them seems to indicate that the danger of this is very slim. On the other hand, most animals don't live past 15 years, and a person has a much longer lifespan, so who knows?

I just don't like the idea of implants, period, I guess. I have a titanium rod in my leg from a motorcycle accident in 1995 and to this day if I think about it too much I get creeped out by the thought of that metal in my body.

[MemoryShock]

http://www.switched.com/2007/07/31/pentagon-to-implant-chips-in-soldiers-bodies/

Essentially, the thought is that RFID will accomplish many things. The specific frequency, or barcode as it were, will link to basically all the personal information of the individual. Medical History (the marketing of RFID is taking this one to the bank), Consumer History, Financial Status, etc.

Imagine paying for something without pulling out your wallet. All financial interactions will be dealt with by scanning you, automatically.

But it is also important to realize that this won't occur for a very long time. Public acceptance just isn't there. As a result, if indeed this is the wave of the future, it will take a couple of generations to integrate the chip socially. A good start has begun with the Pentagon....link above....[/url]

[Boondock]

there is no way in hell myself, my wife or my son will ever be chipped....i would fucking wig is someone tried.

they may not have the juice to do some of the things gn mentioned as of now but as with all tech, it is going to get better and one day i am sure they will be able to....leave the chips for peoples dogs and such.
humans don't need to be chipped and i would question why anyone would want such a thing

[galm 1]

It mkes it a lot easier to recall medical records...

[Yo Mama]

How much does that really matter though? Unless your life is in direct danger, most insurance plans don't let you be treated by anyone other than your own doc/hospital.

My medical file is HUGE. Files and files of it, from all these years with HIV. I doubt very much whatever little memory an RFID can hold would be able to handle my info.

But I"m with BD, it'll take a trank gun to get me implanted. No fucking way.

[galm 1]

*gets the trank gun*

we can either do this the hard way... or the easy way...

screw this... I pick the easy way...

*shoots GN*

The RFIDS just identify the person and the computer brings the info up once the person has been identified...

lets say you died in a fire and your body has been burned beyond recignition, wouldn't you want someone to be able to identify you?

[Yo Mama]

Wouldn't the RFID be destroyed also?

Sorry, I'd rather they use my dental records.

[galm 1]

there's also the issue of the information being scrambled by an MRI. I get MRI's frequently, so would it scramble the info?

[MemoryShock]

By the by....the VeriChip company tried to jump on Bush's coattails when he was campaigning for the Imigration Bill in 2006. They were attempting to make it mandatory for "Guest Workers' be implanted while they were on American Soil.....for those who don't believe that forced impantation isn't possible.....there you go. I don't believe it worked this time around...but in my opinion, it really is a matter of time.

First, legal aliens...then military....then felons...and volunteers will be taken every step of the way.

Edit to delete repeated information....sorry galm1, I should probably read all subsequent posts prior to responding to someone...;)

[galm 1]

I already said that...

[vckums]

I'll pass on it. No one needs to know jack about a person unless they ask permission for medical reasons.

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

The RFIDS just identify the person and the computer brings the info up once the person has been identified...


And imagine the potential for abuse if all your records were to be housed in a central database.

How easy would it be for those records to be compromised?

And by whom?

[MemoryShock]

The RFIDS just identify the person and the computer brings the info up once the person has been identified...


And imagine the potential for abuse if all your records were to be housed in a central database.

How easy would it be for those records to be compromised?

And by whom?

Not to mention make it that much easier to determine purchase patterns and associate with various marketing strategies...on an individual and regional basis. All because they will have an accurate record of consumer history.

There is alot of extrapolation that can be done with such a seemingly basic piece of information....

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

The RFIDS just identify the person and the computer brings the info up once the person has been identified...


And imagine the potential for abuse if all your records were to be housed in a central database.

How easy would it be for those records to be compromised?

And by whom?

Not to mention make it that much easier to determine purchase patterns and associate with various marketing strategies...on an individual and regional basis. All because they will have an accurate record of consumer history.

There is alot of extrapolation that can be done with such a seemingly basic piece of information....

But you had to go and mention it, didn't you? http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee162/21b45o13x25c54o34d45e/icons/huh.gif

j/k

Good to see ya, MS.

And good point, too...

[MemoryShock]

Good to see ya, MS.

And good point, too...

Good to see you to....

And yeah, I did have to go ahead and say it. With technology getting more and more refined and the 'consumer math' gets hashed down to a chapter in elementary math book (and subsequently made computable by a computer program) there is going to be alot of ways to keep track of people and their habits. Redundant information does have a purpose and that is to verify the patterns shown shown through other methods (which works to validate the methods as well as the retrieved information)

It's a scary world, in my opinion, and the implications of RFID aren't the worst...not by a long shot.

[Iori Komei]

I most likely wont get an RFID chip that has just medical information in it.
Now that's not because I don't like them, but rather I want something that is essentially an implantable computer that stores medical info, bank accounts (imagine, never having to wait in line at the store) and other stuff, of course in that case to I think there should be like pass codes needed.

Anyways, it's sort of the same reason I'm waiting to get a new cell phone, I want an all in one Über device.

[GhostOfCaptSpaulding]

Anyways, it's sort of the same reason I'm waiting to get a new cell phone, I want an all in one Über device.

I'm waiting for cyberbrains, ala,"Ghost in the Shell."

No RFID for me...but I did get that worthless flu shot this past season....hmmmm....http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee162/21b45o13x25c54o34d45e/icons/think.gif...do you think?....nah.