mojo
03-22-2008, 09:33 PM
I do believe in the possibility of there having been at some time in pre-history a lost advanced civilization. Now by advanced i dont mean that they had nuclear weapons, electricity, flight etc as a lot of alternative theorists attempt to prove. Advanced at the time that any lost civilization would have been around, circa 10000bp or later would have meant that they were advanced in relation to other civilizations at the time.
So a culture that was still using stone tools and living a hunter/gatherer lifestyle would see another culture using bronze tools and weapons and living an agrarian lifestyle as an "advanced culture".
Evidence of such a culture existing that was destroyed in some sort of cataclysm over 10000 years ago is going to be very difficult to discover, particularly if, as i believe such a civilization existed in an area around the Azores and Canary islands. Atlantis.
The evidence that i have compiled, though circumstantial, points to the existance of an ancient culture that i believe may have influenced many of the more well known civilizations that followed.
What happened to this civilization, did it sink in a massive cataclysm as Plato suggests, well depending on where you place Atlantis it could be many reasons, the most probable being Volcanic eruptions or Earthquake events causing Tsunamis.
If your preferred location for Atlantis is the Azores as it is mine, then the volatile geography of the Mid Atlantic Ridge has endured many catastrophic events in its history.
library.csustan.edu (http://library.csustan.edu/bsantos/azores.html)
The Azores is a lively place to be. There is a continuous chain of earthquakes and volcanic activity that has had a great effect on its inhabitants. Many of them have left the islands in horror after witnessing one of these catacylysmic events. But disasters are bound to happen when a volcanic environment is home for thousands of human beings.89
There have been 21 major volcanic eruptions in the past 550 years collectively occurring on the islands of Sao Miguel, Terceira, Pico, Sao Jorge, and Faial
There have been 18 major temblors on the islands in recorded history.99 One such quake took place in 1522 when the entire village of Villa Franca, on Sao Miguel island, having 5,000 residents, and being the center of government, was engulfed within sixty seconds by land mass thrown from a hill behind the village. It caused a tidal wave and other destruction in the adjascent islands. It took a year to dig the village out and to give Christian burials to its 5,000 victims.
The Azores has always made most sense to me as being the location of Atlantis. There is some evidence to suggest that the Azores had been visited by Phoenician or Carthaginian sailors, and they may have even used it as a resupply point when undertaking trips further west to the America's. A statue of a horse and rider pointing West was supposedly found on Corvo as well as some phoenician coins. This to me may suggest that either the Phoenicians or Carthaginians could of had some knowledge of where these islands were, ancient charts maybe, or legends passed down. The Phoenicians also traded extensively with Egypt at the time, which is where Solon got his information from Egyptian priests regarding Atlantis, and which Plato then wrote about. So could the Phoenicians have also had access to this information regarding the location of Atlantis from the Egyptians?
www.earth-history (http://www.earth-history.com/Atlantis/), some alternative views.
Diodorus the ancient Greek historian wrote that thousands of years earlier Phoenicians had been to the immense Atlantic island (where Plato wrote Atlantis was.
www.lilithgallery.com (http://www.lilithgallery.com/articles/atlantis_forgotten.html)
Plato described Atlantis as being ruled by ten kings before its demise.
In Egyptian mythology states there was originally 10 god-kings, who ruled in a foreign country. They were called Auriteans, but the actual pronunciation is unsure because hieroglyphs only approximate real sounds.
The Phoenician historian Sanchuniathon (1193 BC) calls the same kings "Aleteans". Note this is 600 years before Plato was even born.
Some interesting material here, including maps (http://www.goldenageproject.org.uk/survey.html)
So far this century there has been a confirmed report of a one mile rise in the floor of the ocean 576 miles north of Azores when a trans-atlantic cable broke. Dr David F. Zhirov in 1970 reported sand beaches and coral at a depths of 2 miles south of the Azores. Confirmed evidence exists that sections of the Mid-Atlantic ridge have been above sea level in the past and fresh water diatoms have been found 2 miles down in the Azores area dated 10,000 to 12,000 BC.
Volcanic material described as un-dissolved tachylite was found on Telegraph Bank 500 miles north of Azores, indicating that it had been laid down above sea level at some time between 50,000 BC and 10,000 BC. Sediment core analysis at locations off the coast of Africa have proved a 2 mile sinkage of volcanic island structures similar to those of the Azores.
Interesting article on the history of the Azores (http://library.csustan.edu/bsantos/azores.html)
Corvo along with Flores are the two westernmost islands of the archipelago, and hence, the last inch of European soil. It was here in the early 1500's, that Damiao de Goes, under the employment of King Dom Manoel of Portugal, wrote of a statue of a man on horseback pointing to the west which was clinging to a rocky ledge. The king asked for a drawing of it, and after seeing the drawing, he sent someone to bring it back. As the story goes, it was shattered in a storm en route, but the king received the parts. There too was an inscription in the rock below the statue, and an impression was taken of it. But neither the shattered parts of the statue, nor the impression of the inscription were ever found.33 Was it a hoax? Scholars are still unsure.Some have speculated that the statue was really just one of many rock formations seen on the island and nothing more.34 Others feel it did exist and could have been evidence of the lost continent of Atlantis, or of another settlement of ancient peoples. Coins too were found on Corvo, and their images were published in a journal of the Society of Gothenberg. They were considered to be of Carthagenian or Cyrenean origin by the society.35 A twentieth century Portuguese scholar, made a serious effort to locate the coins. He went to the convent to which they were first supposedly taken. He also visited museums where he thought information could be found. But his investigation turned up nothing.36
There seemed to be a lot of underwater research done around that area many years ago but for some reason i've been unable to find much recent underwater/archaeological work. Thats where the real search needs to be concentrated in my opinion, mind you because of the volatile nature of that region you would think that most , if not all evidence would be covered by lava, rock slides, mud and silt and 9000yrs of erosion and 1000 metres of water.
More to come, both geological and mythological evidence and the possible relationship of Phoenicia and South America to Atlantis.
mojo
So a culture that was still using stone tools and living a hunter/gatherer lifestyle would see another culture using bronze tools and weapons and living an agrarian lifestyle as an "advanced culture".
Evidence of such a culture existing that was destroyed in some sort of cataclysm over 10000 years ago is going to be very difficult to discover, particularly if, as i believe such a civilization existed in an area around the Azores and Canary islands. Atlantis.
The evidence that i have compiled, though circumstantial, points to the existance of an ancient culture that i believe may have influenced many of the more well known civilizations that followed.
What happened to this civilization, did it sink in a massive cataclysm as Plato suggests, well depending on where you place Atlantis it could be many reasons, the most probable being Volcanic eruptions or Earthquake events causing Tsunamis.
If your preferred location for Atlantis is the Azores as it is mine, then the volatile geography of the Mid Atlantic Ridge has endured many catastrophic events in its history.
library.csustan.edu (http://library.csustan.edu/bsantos/azores.html)
The Azores is a lively place to be. There is a continuous chain of earthquakes and volcanic activity that has had a great effect on its inhabitants. Many of them have left the islands in horror after witnessing one of these catacylysmic events. But disasters are bound to happen when a volcanic environment is home for thousands of human beings.89
There have been 21 major volcanic eruptions in the past 550 years collectively occurring on the islands of Sao Miguel, Terceira, Pico, Sao Jorge, and Faial
There have been 18 major temblors on the islands in recorded history.99 One such quake took place in 1522 when the entire village of Villa Franca, on Sao Miguel island, having 5,000 residents, and being the center of government, was engulfed within sixty seconds by land mass thrown from a hill behind the village. It caused a tidal wave and other destruction in the adjascent islands. It took a year to dig the village out and to give Christian burials to its 5,000 victims.
The Azores has always made most sense to me as being the location of Atlantis. There is some evidence to suggest that the Azores had been visited by Phoenician or Carthaginian sailors, and they may have even used it as a resupply point when undertaking trips further west to the America's. A statue of a horse and rider pointing West was supposedly found on Corvo as well as some phoenician coins. This to me may suggest that either the Phoenicians or Carthaginians could of had some knowledge of where these islands were, ancient charts maybe, or legends passed down. The Phoenicians also traded extensively with Egypt at the time, which is where Solon got his information from Egyptian priests regarding Atlantis, and which Plato then wrote about. So could the Phoenicians have also had access to this information regarding the location of Atlantis from the Egyptians?
www.earth-history (http://www.earth-history.com/Atlantis/), some alternative views.
Diodorus the ancient Greek historian wrote that thousands of years earlier Phoenicians had been to the immense Atlantic island (where Plato wrote Atlantis was.
www.lilithgallery.com (http://www.lilithgallery.com/articles/atlantis_forgotten.html)
Plato described Atlantis as being ruled by ten kings before its demise.
In Egyptian mythology states there was originally 10 god-kings, who ruled in a foreign country. They were called Auriteans, but the actual pronunciation is unsure because hieroglyphs only approximate real sounds.
The Phoenician historian Sanchuniathon (1193 BC) calls the same kings "Aleteans". Note this is 600 years before Plato was even born.
Some interesting material here, including maps (http://www.goldenageproject.org.uk/survey.html)
So far this century there has been a confirmed report of a one mile rise in the floor of the ocean 576 miles north of Azores when a trans-atlantic cable broke. Dr David F. Zhirov in 1970 reported sand beaches and coral at a depths of 2 miles south of the Azores. Confirmed evidence exists that sections of the Mid-Atlantic ridge have been above sea level in the past and fresh water diatoms have been found 2 miles down in the Azores area dated 10,000 to 12,000 BC.
Volcanic material described as un-dissolved tachylite was found on Telegraph Bank 500 miles north of Azores, indicating that it had been laid down above sea level at some time between 50,000 BC and 10,000 BC. Sediment core analysis at locations off the coast of Africa have proved a 2 mile sinkage of volcanic island structures similar to those of the Azores.
Interesting article on the history of the Azores (http://library.csustan.edu/bsantos/azores.html)
Corvo along with Flores are the two westernmost islands of the archipelago, and hence, the last inch of European soil. It was here in the early 1500's, that Damiao de Goes, under the employment of King Dom Manoel of Portugal, wrote of a statue of a man on horseback pointing to the west which was clinging to a rocky ledge. The king asked for a drawing of it, and after seeing the drawing, he sent someone to bring it back. As the story goes, it was shattered in a storm en route, but the king received the parts. There too was an inscription in the rock below the statue, and an impression was taken of it. But neither the shattered parts of the statue, nor the impression of the inscription were ever found.33 Was it a hoax? Scholars are still unsure.Some have speculated that the statue was really just one of many rock formations seen on the island and nothing more.34 Others feel it did exist and could have been evidence of the lost continent of Atlantis, or of another settlement of ancient peoples. Coins too were found on Corvo, and their images were published in a journal of the Society of Gothenberg. They were considered to be of Carthagenian or Cyrenean origin by the society.35 A twentieth century Portuguese scholar, made a serious effort to locate the coins. He went to the convent to which they were first supposedly taken. He also visited museums where he thought information could be found. But his investigation turned up nothing.36
There seemed to be a lot of underwater research done around that area many years ago but for some reason i've been unable to find much recent underwater/archaeological work. Thats where the real search needs to be concentrated in my opinion, mind you because of the volatile nature of that region you would think that most , if not all evidence would be covered by lava, rock slides, mud and silt and 9000yrs of erosion and 1000 metres of water.
More to come, both geological and mythological evidence and the possible relationship of Phoenicia and South America to Atlantis.
mojo