Gay Marriage - My Solution

[Kacen]

Civil unions should be legalized.

And gay "marriage" should be left up to churches/temples/mosques/religious institutions in general.

The Abrahamic faiths I think should not be forced to have to marry gay people, since I believe the separation of church and state goes both ways, and I do know that traditionally that is not allowed in such faiths.

However banning gay marriage would be wrong because certain religions such as mine, paganism, allow such marriages, so it would infringe on a religious freedom to ban them.

So the law should allow churches to decide who to marry but also provide civil unions to anyone.

I can't see any logical, sane-minded tolerant person arguing against this. What does everyone else have to say?

[Iori Komei]

That's a bad idea.

What needs to happen is the state recognizing marriage as a purely legal contract.

[Kacen]

Uh, that's what I meant, but not forcing anyone to marry...oh wait...

My argument is redundant.

Well, okay, anyone against gay marriage is oppressing my religion, argue against that!

[Occam]

I agree. All people who desire to enter into a more binding relationship than just living together should be able to get a license for a civil union from the local government.

Any couple (or threesomes or more) who wanted to "sanctify" their union could then have a religious cerimony, but it would not confer any additional legal standing.

Occam

[JiveTurkey]

I was once very much against gay marriage as it seemed a bit oxymoronic.


However, most people in the States these days have absolutely ZERO respect for what marriage means and I am now all for giving the gay community the opportunity to restore some sort of MEANING to marriage again.


Most straight people these days jump into marriage with the philosophy of "well, I can always get divorced".



Personally, I think they should make marriage a PERMANENT thing unless there is a GREAT reason (abuse, etc) for it to be ended.


Jasn

[Deadflagblues]

How about the federal and state governments, religion, religious groups, "moral fundamentalists," and anybody that think they have any say in who somebody loves so much they want to marry them to BUTT THE FUCK OUT.

I think a lot of the responsibility comes on our part. When are we going to break away from traditional marriage? You know, the orthodox marriage that requires a judge to approve your marriage in a court of law. What about love is lawful? When are we going to stop buying into all these social gimmicks, such as traditional marriage? You know what marriage should be like?

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Fuck taxes, state and federal government, and priests (there's one in the clip, but you know what I mean..) having anything to do with the love between two people regardless the sex.

[Iori Komei]

Well, to be technical, marriage originally had nothing to do with love or sex, it was purely a legal contract.

For instance, in Africa there were many places where marriage was just a legal contract between two families in which the couple only had to either have sex once or have one child, yet they were able to lead there own separate lives and it was'nt uncommon for them to have significant others (as in the ones they loved/had sex with), in fact there were several areas in which it was'nt terribly rare to see a woman who apart form the legal marriage to some guy she was in was also 'married' to another woman, man or two or three individuals.

It's really only been since the Abrahamic religions forced there 'morals' on everywhere they conquered that marriage has been seen as a religious union between a man and a woman.

[Deadflagblues]

I'm familiar with how it started, but I'm saying that's what a "holy union" should be like. Now days the general populous don't get married for "land rights" anymore and the emphasis on marriage lie with love. Now that we're not living in 1455 AD Spain, it's time we move and and get away from the clutches of state regulation.

[Iori Komei]

Perhaps, but I think we're starting to see a return to it being more a legal contract than anything.

Heck Norway is considering making marriage a purely legal contract of 10 years that would either expire or be extended depending on what the people wanted at that time.

Honestly I think religion should be forbidden from playing any role in civil/legal marriage, however if people want to go have some ceremony in a church for a non-binding thing, than I don't much care about that.

[Yo Mama]

Heck Norway is considering making marriage a purely legal contract of 10 years that would either expire or be extended depending on what the people wanted at that time.

I must be a closet Norwegian, I swear. I've been saying we should do something like this all along. Contract marriage, renewable or not. Straight up and to the point.

Those Norwegians must be some of the most sensible people on the planet.

[Iori Komei]

Those Norwegians must be some of the most sensible people on the planet.

They're also (along with the rest of Scandinavia) some of the most progressive people in the world.

However considering that the idea is not exactly supported by a great majority right this second, I think it will be quite some time before this kind of thing goes into affect.

This actually reminds me of a book series I read, (Commonwealth saga) in which marriage was primarily a legal contract since everyone essentially could live forever and were 'reborn' after rejuvenation therapy (as being physically in their early 20's) indefinite marriages became a hindrance.

So maybe once we can essentially become immortal, or atleast live hundreds of years or more marriage as a legal contract will become the norm.

[Boondock]

my solution is we should allow homosexuals to get married if they want to....the same exact deal as hetero's.

i am tired of the homosexual oppression in this country. it's fuckin bullshit.

[Iori Komei]

Quite right.

You know, this makes me think, I don't really get emotional over this subject, more purely logical.

I guess that's from growing up in a state where, while it may not have gay marriage (current argument is that marriage contracts were meant to have kids), it has domestic partnerships and is one of the very few states to have gay adoption.