The Case for the Civilization On the Moon

[johnlear]

The Case for the Civilization on the Moon

There is a civilization of human beings who live on the Moon. This is the biggest and best kept secret on earth.

The nearside of the Moon, which is the side that faces earth, appears to be a desolate and unoccupied.

The farside of the moon, which also has a breathable atmosphere also has lakes, rivers, forests, snow-capped mountains and life as we know it here on earth.

Most of mankinds misconceptions about the moon have been carefully and systematically fed to us over thousands of years.

People generally believe that the moon has one sixth the gravity of the earth because they are told that the density of the moon is 3.3 gr/cm3 and that the earth's gravity is 5.5 gr/cm3. And with those densities and the radius of the moon and the earth, the calculation is made:

Fg=G x m1m2/r2

The assumption that the density of the moon is 3.3 gr/cm3 is based on:

1. Earth density is 5.5 gr/cm3 and the gravity of the moon is one sixth that of earth.
2. Observations of asteroids and the Earth's polar axis
3. Angular momentum
4. Soil samples from the moon
5. Keplers Third Law
6. Shockwave measurement

In fact, we have no idea what the density of the moon is and we are just assuming that the density is 3.3 gr/cm3 because that is the only explanation apparent to us at this time. It seems to make sense.

Just as we have no idea what the density of the earth is. We make educated guesses of 5.5 gr/cm3 and we say "Well it has to be 5.5 gr/cm3 because the moon is 3.3 gr/cm3 and the moons gravity is one sixth that of earth so there is no other option.

Oh yes, and the Cavendish experiment with 2 solid metal spheres. This experiment determined the gravitational constant in Newton's gravitational equation which was then used to determine the mass of the Earth.

And of course they hypothesize and inner and outer iron core of Earth to make in density what they lack in actual evidence.

So essentially we don't really know what earth's density is.

There are 5 main theories for the existence of the moon in orbit around the earth and they are:

1 - Capture from an independent orbit.
2 - Formation as a double planet.
3 - Fission from a rapidly rotating Earth.
4 - disintegration of incoming planetesimals.
5 - Earth impact by a Mars sized planetesimal.

There is another theory that is not generally accepted but its occurrence is far more likely and that is that our moon was placed in orbit around our earth by a civilization very far advanced from our own.

Our moon is in rotational lock around our earth. This means that only one face or one hemisphere of the moon, what we call the "nearside", ever faces earth.

A contemporary and completely fallacious and bogus explanation by mainstream science for 'rotational lock' is a fantasy force called 'tidal locking', which has forced the moon, whatever its origin, into this 'rotational lock'.

"Tidal Locking" was only proposed a few years ago to explain the moons rotational lock.

In fact, in my opinion, tidal locking has no scientific validity and those who defend it are only making up a theory to account for the unexplainable. Which is what mainstream science is all about anyway.

The scientific community claims that most all of the moons and satellites of the planets in the solar system are 'tidally locked' with their mother planets. In my opinion this is not a fact.

One of the earliest memories of man is that there was a time, many thousands of years ago, when there was no moon in the sky.
Immanuel Velikovsky wrote that Democritus and Anaxagoras taught that there was a time when the earth was without a moon.

Aristotle wrote that Arcadia in Greece, before being inhabited by the Hellenes, had a population of Pelasgians, and that these aborigines occupied the land already there 'before there was a Moon in the sky above the earth'; for this reason, they were called Proselenes.

Apollonius Rhodius mentioned the time “when not all the orbs were yet in the heavens, before the Danai and Deukalion races came into existence, and only the Arcadians lived, of whom it is said that they dwelt on the mountains and fed on acorns, before there was a moon.�

So there are several ideas of how the moon came into existence; mine is that it a large space ship, towed from solar system to solar system with its prime mission to help jump start lesser advanced civilizations, spending many thousands and thousands of years in secret manipulations and stimulations, until that lesser civilization can continue on their own, then moving to another solar system.
Whatever you decide the moon really is or where it came from or how it got here and placed itself into a rotationally locked orbit there are many strange things about our moon which are not easily explained.

One is that its size, when viewed from earth is identical to the apparent size of the sun. Isaac Asimov says, "There is no astronomical reason why the moon and the sun should fit so well. It is the sheerest of coincidences, and only the Earth among all planets is blessed in this fashion."

Moon rocks were dated at 5.3 billion years old approximately 700 million years older than the earth.

The moons composition should conform to normal planetary formation with heavier elements in the core and lighter elements at the surface. On the moon however, elements like titanium are found at the surface in great quantity.

Another oddity is that women of childbearing age menstruate once every complete cycle of the moon (27.3 days).

Many scientists and astronomers in history have proposed and or believed that the moon has a breathable atmosphere and that there is a civilization, possibly of human-like beings that live on the farside.

In the 1950's there were a number of men, derogatorily referred to as "contactees" that claimed to have been taken to the moon in flying saucers. They were shown magnificent cities with enormous buildings, many strange structures and constructs; rivers, lakes, meadows, forests along with fantastic scenery, much of it similar to earth.

Two of these 'contactees' were George Adamski and Howard Menger, who, unbeknownst to the general public both became secret advisors to the Pentagon.

Howard Menger claimed to have ridden on a train that was "a strange vehicle that had no wheels, rested in suspension about a foot above a cooper highway which ribboned through the terrain and disappeared from view." He went on: "We boarded the train and soon were gliding noiselessly above the highway. As we traveled we could see all around and above us."

Howard went on to describe the terrain. "Some of the terrain, in one section of the moon near the so-called "dark-side" reminded me of Flagstaff, Arizona while other desert sections made me think of Nevada. Huge cliffs and mountains made our own look like ant hills. One particular desert locale brought to mind "The Valley of Fire" in Nevada. There we stopped long enough for your guide to open the door and permit us to stick our heads out for a brief moment, which is all one could take, for it was terrible hot outside-like a blast furnace. I was certain that no one cold have lived outside very long and was glad he had shut the door."
At the end of his 4 day tour of the moon Menger said he was wined and dined by his hosts, along with many others from Earth who had similarly taken the tour.

Whatever the truth there is certainly photographic evidence by Russian Zond, Lunar Orbiter and Apollo mission photos that clearly show buildings, mining operations and mining equipment, factories, domes, cranes and in one case, in the crater Aristarchus, we can see what appears to be a huge, 24 miles diameter, hexagonal, dome shaped structure, emitting or surrounded by a strange blue glow.

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/382/aristarchus1bgh8.png

This blue glow has been described by one nuclear physicist as the Cherenkov Effect which is the result of radiation coming in contact with molecules of air.

Modern science has claimed that the moon is an airless, that although there is an atmosphere, it is so minute it is virtually a vacuum. They back up this claim with the formula that the moon has only one sixth the gravity of earth and further claim that no breathable atmosphere could be held intact with that small amount of gravity.

They also point to the films of the Apollo astronauts hopping and skipping across the lunar landscape in apparent one sixth gravity.
If one points out that these hops and skips are barely more than 12 inches high, 18 inches at the most they tell you that the astronauts were wearing very heavy spacesuits and backpacks and that it was dangerous to take advantage of the minimum gravity to jump any higher.

If a breathable atmosphere is suggested mainstream science counters that there is no occultation of a star passing behind the moon, thereby proving, they say, that there is no atmosphere.
If you propose that the atmosphere could be very, very clean with no dust or other particles and that the height of the atmosphere might not be thick enough to actually see an occultation they dismiss it with: "What about all the scientific data from all the moon probes and Apollo astronauts?"

And therein lays the question of whether or not there is more than one sixth gravity and or a breathable atmosphere on the moon: who is correct?

The contactees who say there is a civilization on the moon, with some gravity and a breathable atmosphere or mainstream science with all of their billions of dollars of scientific probes and the testimony of the Apollo astronauts, who, it is claimed, were actually there?

One of those astronauts, Buzz Aldrin had this to say about what it felt like to be on the moon:

"For Christ's sake. I don't know. I just don't know. I have been frustrated since the day I left the Moon by that question."

Edgar Mitchell had this to say: "Somehow I couldn't resurrect the feelings I had while there, although my thoughts and action were easily summoned."

And Neil Armstrong has had little to say about being the first man on the moon. At the 25th Anniversary of the Apollo 11 landing on the moon he commented: " (there are) breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of truth's protective layers. There are places to go beyond belief."

Another puzzle in the mystery of the Moon is the so-called "neutral point". The neutral point is that point in space, between the earth and the moon where the pull of the earth's gravity is exactly equal to the gravity of the earth is equal pull of the moon's gravity, hence 'neutral point'.

Mainstream science, up until a few years ago maintained that the neutral point was 24,000 miles from the moon and that, according to the Bullialdus/Newton law of inverse square which states:

"Any physical quantity or strength is inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them, specifically, the gravitational attraction between two massive objects, in additional to being directly proportional to the product of their masses, is inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them.

The gravity on the moon would be one sixth that of earths.
But there are a few problems with that 24,000 miles figure.
"At a point 43,495 miles from the Moon, lunar gravity exerted a force equal to the gravity of the Earth, then some 200,000 miles distant." - Wernher von Braun (Time Magazine, July 25, 1969.)

This is Eugene Cernan's book "The Last Man On The Moon" written with Don Davis. Copyright 1999 Eugene Cernan and Don Davis. St. Martin's Griffin, New York. ISBN 0-312-19906-6 (hc) ISBN 0-312-26351-1 (pbk) LOCC TL789.8.U6A52435 1999 629.45"0092-dc21{b}:

(Inbound to the Moon) "It was Saturday December 9 and we were in the moons firm hold only about 38,000 miles out and drawing closer by the moment."

This is Michael Collins' book, "Carrying the Fire An Astronaut's Journeys" Copyright 1974 by Michael Collins. Farrar, Straus and Giroux, New York LOCCC TL789.85.C64A33 629.4'092'4 [B] 74-7211:

(Outbound from the Moon) "Houston reports the instant at which we leave the lunar sphere of influence. This means that despite the fact we are only 34,000 nautical miles (39,000 statue miles) from the moon and still 174,000 miles from earth, the earth's pull has become dominant, and the mathematical equations now recognize that fact."

Reginald Turnhill “The Moonlandings� Copyright Reginald Turnhill 2003. Cambridge University Press ISBN 0521815959.

(Inbound to the Moon)"Soon after that a new stage in manned spaceflight was reached. Like a ball thrown upwards, the spacecraft had been gradually slowing down, until its velocity was 2724 mph and its position was 202,825 miles from Earth, and 38,900 miles from the Moon. For the first time, men had reached a point where the pull of Earth’s gravity was less than that of another body. Now the pull of lunar gravity was greater and the craft’s speed began to increase again as it fell towards the moon."

Reginald Turnhill “The Moonlandings� Copyright Reginald Turnhill 2003.

No matter how many flip flopping, flap jacking Earth Moon sun 'spheres of influence' paradigm shifting 'non-rotating (or rotating) frames of reference' you throw into the mix the fact is at some point the Apollo spacecraft left the dominant pull of earths gravity and was in the dominant pull of the moon's gravity or left the dominant pull of the moon's gravity and was in the dominant pull of the earth's gravity. That point is the neutral point and that point is approximately 43,495 miles.

And that point using the Bullialdus/Newton law of inverse square to calculate the 'relative' pull of the earth to the relative pull of the moon is, using earth as '1' is .64 for the moon.

That means that the relative gravity on the moon is .64 of earth's gravity. That is approximately 2/3 of earth's gravity.

Now you can talk, sing, dance, play pinochle, play charades, stand on your head, spout nonsense like:


The 'sphere of influence' concept was computationally most practical. That's the second approach.

And in real terms, it's the only 'authentic' definition, as you can show by calculating the Earth-SUN 'neutral point' both ways, and see that the 'classic' (i.e., pre-Space-Age) method gives a neutral point CLOSER to Earth than the moon's orbit -- counter-intuitive and contrary to several billion years of loyal lunar earth-orbiting. Jim Oberg

all you want but the moons gravity is at least 64% of earth's gravity.

Von Braun gave us 43,495 miles; Collins gives us "firm hold only about 38,000 miles out"; Cernan gives us "39,000 miles from the moon out"; Turnhill gives us "38,900 miles from the moon". Now it can't get much clearer than that.

Let's look at the possibility, however far fetched it may seem and suppose that some incredibly advanced civilization wanted to monitor earth and its start up mankind, the dawn of civilization on Earth.

Let's suppose that they built a huge spaceship in the form of the Moon. They have designed it so that mankind will never have an inkling that they are being watched, nurtured and helped along.

The Spaceship Moon has on one hemisphere an atmosphere, normal gravity, lakes, mountains, rivers, meadows, forests, large cities in which the owners live and carry out their monitoring of Earth.

On the other hemisphere is a bleak, desolate, seemingly deserted land, bereft of any apparent life, with thousands of craters, huge mares of unknown material and many mountain ranges.

They place the Spacecraft Moon in orbit around the Earth so the developing civilization (us) sees only the bleak, desolate side.

They arrange the distance of this Spacecraft Moon in orbit so that, at least for a while, mankind, in their infinite ignorance will conclude: there can be no gravity; there can be no atmosphere; Conclusion? Nobody is home.

The mysterious 'Watchers' with technology advanced by hundreds of thousands of years has managed to create gravity which is normal on their side but less on the side seen by Earth.

They may accomplish this feat by locating a gravity B generator inside the moon slightly further from earth than the geocentric center. The gravity B generator would cause a normal 1 "g" gravity other farside and .64 "G" on the nearside.
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/885/lunargravitryarj2.png
The blue circle represents the gravity B field that is displaced 59 kilometers (37 miles) further away from Earth from the geocentric center of the moon.

One of the mysteries of the Moon is her "Mascons". Mascons are massive concentrations of gravity which affect the orbital paths of spacecraft flying over them.

The known Mascons on the nearside are Imbrium, Serenitatis, Crisium, Nectaris and Humorum.

Here is how they are oriented on the nearside of the Spaceship Moon:
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/7906/fig8strip2tc4.jpg
Since this Spaceship Moon is not really a "moon" composed of dirt, rock and an iron core it can't maintain it's distance from Earth by normal gravitational attraction (it's not dense enough) it has to maintain it's distance from Earth by other than the gravity generated by the gravity B generator.

To maintain its distance from Earth, the Spaceship Moon might use a gravity A wave generator which is not actually a 'generator" as such; it is a machine that accesses and amplified the gravity A wave which can exert an enormous pull. So enormous in fact that is can hold the Spaceship Moon in orbit around the earth by using the gravity A wave which pulls it toward the earth or actually pulls the Earth towards the Moon.

The gravity A wave has enormous gravity amplifiers through which the amplified gravity A waves extend. These beams might radiate from several of the moon's mascons.

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1903/moongravityawave3mk5.png

Maybe it's these gravity A wave 'beams' that cause the orbital paths of the spacecraft flying over them to be perturbed.
It may also be possible to "ride" one of these amplified A wave beams from the Earth to the Moon.

Another Spaceship Moon mystery is its 'libration'. Libration is the Spaceship Moons 'wobble' and this wobble is theorized by mainstream science to be caused by "tidal lock". "Tidal lock" is a nonsensical theory to account for unknown forces. Like "gravitons" to account for gravity (which is total nonsense).

Maybe the Spaceship Moon's libration or 'wobble' is caused by the rotation of the moon about the location of the gravity B wave generator which is located further away (from the Earth) from the center of the Spaceship Moon's geocentric center.

It's curious to note that one cycle of libration is equal to one period of rotation of the Spaceship Moon.

In 1856, Peter Andreas Hansen, a much respected Danish Mathematician and Astronomer proposed to the Royal Astronomical Society that the moon was not spherical but ellipsoidal, with the longest axis directed towards earth. Based on the very slight discrepancy between the observed position of the moon and its position predicted by calculation he hypothesized that that the moons center of gravity was not at its geometric center but actually located at a point 59 kilometers (37 miles) farther from earth than the center of the figure.

His theory was that the hemisphere turned towards earth would be elevated above the average altitude of the moon's surface and would therefore be sterile because any atmosphere would seek a lower altitude. But he proposed that the opposite hemisphere, the hemisphere lower in altitude could have an atmosphere and it was not impossible that there existed vegetation and living things.

If only one hemisphere had an atmosphere that might explain why no stars were occulted, the basis that current science uses to discount an atmosphere on the moon.

Hansen's hypothesis was widely accepted until 1870 when Simon Newcomb came to Europe from the U.S. and ridiculed Hansen's theory not with facts but with the statement that Hansen's work was "mere speculation, unsupported by analogy, probability or observation."

Support for Hansen's theory began to crumble and in the next few years was completely forgotten.

After all, Simon Newcomb was a man of considerable import; he was a U.S. Navy Admiral and Director of the U.S. Naval Observatory in Washington, D.C.

It's not clear from the papers available today exactly what calculations caused Hansen to believe that the moon's center of gravity was 59 kilometers (37 miles) further away from earth but maybe his computations of libration were included.

But whatever his calculations where he concluded that that the farside could have an atmosphere and that "it was not impossible that there existed vegetation and living things."

All of us have been told, since we were old enough to listen that the moon is a desolate, airless, colorless wasteland.

The U.S. Government even spent 20 billion dollars on the Apollo Program to make sure that we believed it so. They showed us movies of Apollo astronauts, wearing moon suits, hopping around in what was said to be one sixth gravity of the Earth.

I once talked to a former NASA psychologist who said her job was to work with the Apollo astronauts after their flight to the moon to help them deal with the fact that they could not tell the public what they really saw there. He said they talked of huge 'constructs'.
So NASA has lied to us for almost 50 years about what they know about the moon. Why? Why, indeed.

But for whatever reason, the moon is certainly much different than what we have been told whether or not it has a greater gravity and whether or not it has a breathable atmosphere.

My opinion is the moon is an interesting place with most everything we have here on earth; gravity the same; breathable atmosphere; a civilization far advanced from ours; forests, lakes, meadows, rivers, towering snow-capped mountains, gorgeous and inspiring scenery, cities, bridges, highways, huge structures the purpose of which we can only guess.

[mojo]

I have some trouble with the concept of the moon being inhabited and it having atmoshpere and cities.
I guess my main objection would be how something of that magnitude could possibly be kept so secret.
secondly, if there are regular flights from earth to the moon, wouldnt these also be extremely difficult to cover up.

i wont refute it absolutley and will take some time to investigate the information youve posted more thoroughly.

thanks again for the posts so far John.

[Yo Mama]

Aha! This is one of those areas JL and I are not ever going to be able to agree on.

I don't see how it could be covered up with so many amateur astronomers with excellent scopes. I guess I'm just "brainwashed by NASA" because I pretty much believe what they say about the moon.

But that's OK. You knew I was going to say this. :D

[Lexion]

For Christ's sake, John...

Please take your shit here (http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/).
At least you'll get paid.

[johnlear]

Aha! This is one of those areas JL and I are not ever going to be able to agree on.

I don't see how it could be covered up with so many amateur astronomers with excellent scopes. I guess I'm just "brainwashed by NASA" because I pretty much believe what they say about the moon.

But that's OK. You knew I was going to say this. :D


You are in the top 100 percentile that belief what NAZA says about the Moon.

Congratulations.

[johnlear]

For Christ's sake, John...

Please take your shit here (http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/).
At least you'll get paid.


Thanks for your input Lexion, it is always appreciated.

One thing I wanted to ask is that you have that little wheelchair thingy on your avatar which usually means that you are disabled but it doesn't specify whether or not you are disabled physically, emotionally and intellectually.

I just assume your are disabled intellectually because of the nature, content and language of your posts but I could be wrong.

Anyway what I was wondering is if you have any qualities other than being disabled you could use as an avatar?

Thanks. :

[Yo Mama]

That's me, always coming in at the top of my class. :wink:

[JiveTurkey]

The "glowing dome" photograph has intrigued me since I first saw it some time ago.

Perhaps I'm a bit silly, but I really don't have much of a problem labeling this theory as "possible".


Seeing as how I am not in a position where I can try to "prove" or "disprove" this theory, I'm very willing to give it the benefit of the doubt and hear much more about it.


While I understand where some people come from when they say that the amateur astronomers with their great equipment would have spotted something by now, I don't necessarily agree.

If a "lunar base" is on the far side of the moon, it seems to me that they wouldn't necessarily have the opportunity to see this "base" from Earth.

Of course, I could always be misunderstanding the whole thing when it comes to the far side of the moon and it's "locked" rotation.




I wish I had spent more time studying such things so I could provide a bit better response.


Hopefully, most of you get where I'm coming from.


Jasn

[JiveTurkey]

That's me, always coming in at the top of my class. :wink:


hehe


You are always "tops" in my heart chica.


:P


Jasn

[JiveTurkey]

For Christ's sake, John...

Please take your shit here (http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/).
At least you'll get paid.


If I remember correctly, John is more a fan of the "National Enquirer"


:P


Jasn

[Lexion]

Well John.....

Guess I could use a huge phallic
symbol for my avatar....

[Yo Mama]

The Seattle Space Needle would be extremely appropriate in that case. :lol:

[johnlear]

Well John.....

Guess I could use a huge phallic
symbol for my avatar....



Ah. Very symbolic! Would this represent capacity or storage area? Or both?

[Steve-o]

I happen to know a "remote viewer" and this person had told me some stuff .... but the one thing that stuck with me was that our "ancestors" or a "race of humans" have been on the moon for thousands of years . I'm not a big believer in most conspiracies that are out there ....... but I just happen to believe the stuff that has to deal with the Moon ...... and Venus . :D

[mojo]

John, in your opinion, why the cover up?

I would think that most of the population could handle the fact that we are able to colonize. In fact a good majority of the population nowadays would expect us to be able to do it.

Sooner or later if they are covering this up they will be exposed, it is only a matter of time surely.

Thanks mojo.

[johnlear]

John, in your opinion, why the cover up?

I would think that most of the population could handle the fact that we are able to colonize. In fact a good majority of the population nowadays would expect us to be able to do it.

Sooner or later if they are covering this up they will be exposed, it is only a matter of time surely.

Thanks mojo.



Thanks for the post Mojo.

Disclosure is handled on a 'one on one' basis for those who are ready. If you are not ready then you are not going to be informed.

Not everybody is ready at the same time is why there will be no "Public Disclosure".

Eventually everybody will 'know'. But that will not be for a long, long time. Maybe 100 years. Maybe a little less.

In the meantime, the 'do-gooders' who think they are going to expose the cover-up are being gently and artfully led down various side tracks and dead ends.

There is currently a large web forum whose management thinks they have the 'smoking gun' and who went to various networks thinking they were going to be received with shock and awe.

They were ceremoniously kicked out on their collective butts.

[Bitchkoma]

Another puzzle in the mystery of the Moon is the so-called "neutral point". The neutral point is that point in space, between the earth and the moon where the pull of the earth's gravity is exactly equal to the gravity of the earth is equal pull of the moon's gravity, hence 'neutral point'.

Is this the same thing as Lagrangian points? L1?

Edit: never mind... I'm thinking of something else.

[johnlear]

Another puzzle in the mystery of the Moon is the so-called "neutral point". The neutral point is that point in space, between the earth and the moon where the pull of the earth's gravity is exactly equal to the gravity of the earth is equal pull of the moon's gravity, hence 'neutral point'.

Is this the same thing as Lagrangian points? L1?

Edit: never mind... I'm thinking of something else.


Yes, the neutral point between the Earth and the Moon is the same as the Lagrangian point L-1 between the earth and the Moon.

The reason that you never hear anything about the exact 'distance' of the L-1 Lagrangian point is that it would expose the real neutral point.

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/4472/neutralpointdrawingajk9.jpg

[johnlear]

The Moon was towed into (or placed) into orbit about 30 or 40 thousand years ago.

The vehicle that did the towing was an Electromagnetic Vehicle that used enormous amounts of electromagnetism to tow the Moon from wherever it was and place it in orbit around the earth.

In his book "Ringmakers of Saturn" (Copyright Norman R. Bergrun 1986) Library of Congress Catalogue Card Number 86-81530, ISBN 0 946279 33 3, Bergrun describes the process and shows the places on the farside of the Moon, specifically Mare Orientale. where the EMV grabbed on to the Moon.

A couple of years ago I asked Norm where the EMV is now and he said it was parked on the far side.

With the help of Undo and Zorgon I believe we have located it in the Tsiolkovsky crater.

Tsiokovsky is a very interesting crater on the far side because there are so many versions of it. NASA has done their best to airbrush out the EMV and make it look, in some cases, like and island and in some case like weird shaped mountain.

I forget whether it was Undo or Zorgon who found an unairbrushed photo of Tsiolkovsky but whoever it was found a thumbnail that someone at NASA had been too lazy to enlarge, airbrush out the EMV, then reduce it back to thumbnail size. So the real photo of Tsiolkovsky is only thumbnail but it gives you an idea of what an EMV looks like.

The first picture here is one of the examples of NASA's airbrushing of Tsiokovsky, in this photo they made the EMV look like an island:

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/7392/tsiolkovskysp246bqy3.png


Here is what Tsiolkovsky really looks like.

As you can see this photo of Tsiolkovsky with the EMV is from a thumbnail. Somebody at NASA was too lazy to enlarge the thumbnail, airbrush it, then reduce it back it into a thumbnail. They probably figured no one would notice.

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/2646/tsiolkovskiemvdw7.jpg


For more photos of Tsiolkovsky and the research behind the search for the EMV go here:

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients ... ar_10.html (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/41Group_Lunar_FYEO/02files/FYEO_Lunar_10.html)

Also, I forget where it is but there is a tantalizing short clip from Apollo 15 as they fly over Tsiolkovsky and you can see the EMV.

[Steve-o]

Thanks for all the info and pics John Lear :D ..... I've always believed that the moon was "moved' in some way ....... :D

Ummmm ... since ya know Bob Lazar ..... has he been told info regarding the moon and mars during his time at S-4 ??

[johnlear]

Thanks for all the info and pics John Lear :D ..... I've always believed that the moon was "moved' in some way ....... :D

Ummmm ... since ya know Bob Lazar ..... has he been told info regarding the moon and mars during his time at S-4 ??



He told me that he was briefed that we had bases on both the Moon and Mars.

I think we have been on the Moon since 1962 and our first trip to Mars was 1966. We have been a lot of places since then. :)

[Steve-o]

Thanks for answerin' my question John :D .

Um .... in your opinion ....... when will the "secret gov.t " release info regarding life on the moon ,mars, venus , and other galaxies ??

[johnlear]

Thanks for answerin' my question John :D .

Um .... in your opinion ....... when will the "secret gov.t " release info regarding life on the moon ,mars, venus , and other galaxies ??



Never, ever. :)

[Steve-o]

It's truly an honor to just have ya on Amkon Mr. Lear :D ...... um..... in your opinion ....... when will NASA be able to do a "public show" of a man landing on mars ?? ...... and if they do ... will it be staged or edited ??


( sorry for askin' ya so many questions :lol: .... hope ya have a great day !!!!! )

[johnlear]

It's truly an honor to just have ya on Amkon Mr. Lear :D ...... um..... in your opinion ....... when will NASA be able to do a "public show" of a man landing on mars ?? ...... and if they do ... will it be staged or edited ??


( sorry for askin' ya so many questions :lol: .... hope ya have a great day !!!!! )



Anything off of this earth belongs to the NASA NAZI's. They consider themselves the 'Ritual Elite'.

None of us will ever see or hear about anything about the Moon, Mars, Venus or anywhere else from NASA.

Its a secret and it will be a secret forever.

[johnlear]

From "Moongate: Supressed Findings of the U.S. Space Program The NASA-Military Cover-Up" by William L. Brian II Copyright 1982

"The Moon's lower gravity, 64% of Earths', means that its atmosphere is deeper because the gases are compressed to a lesser extent that Earths' atmosphere.

The depth of an atmosphere in inversely proportional to the magnitude of the gravitational field. This follows from the gas law involving pressure and volume which states that the volume of a confined gas in inversely proportional to the pressure applied to it. In other words if the pressure is doubled the volume becomes half as great.

The Moons atmosphere is not likely to experience high winds and other weather conditions to the extent that is common on earth because of the long days and nights, and the absence of large bodies of water on the surface of the nearside.

Therefore the atmosphere on the Moon is probably much cleaner than the Earth's and light diffusion and scattering effects would be minimal. Occultation of stars would not be as pronounced as expected and the interpretation of the findings would be that the Moon has an extremely thin atmosphere. The atmospheric density could still be as great or greater than Earth's without being as visible."

Whatever the density, the densest level of an atmosphere is its lowest. So if there was a breathable atmosphere on the moon, the densest parts of that atmosphere would be on the floor of the craters.

Both Adamski and Menger mentioned that the inhabitants on the moon live in a temperate zone just over the horizon visible to earth.

Below is a photo taken by Apollo 17 (1522) and shows a portion of the farside of the moon which is on the right and to the right of the green longitudinal line.


http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/1131/as17farsidehabitationazk3.png

The blue circles represent possible deep craters where the densest air would be and where people could live and work.

The white area just above Maxwell (extreme northeast) is actually a large city and was crudely whited out by NASA artists in the days before digital imaging and the automatic elimination of what NASA calls "offensive material" or that material which may betray the actual nature of the moon became automatic.

George Adamski said that looking a telescope from above the moon the many of the craters turned out to be large valleys surrounded by mountains. This kind of illusion would not be too hard to perpetrate for someone who could tow the moon from a different solar system.

Adamski said he saw vegetation, snow-covered mountains with heavy timber on the lower slopes and mountain lakes and rivers which emptied into a large body of water. He saw a number of communities in the valleys and on mountain slopes as well as a fair-sized city. Adamski says he was told that large hangars are located near the cities for convenience in landing with supplies which are brought in to exchange for certain moon minerals..

Adamski said that visitors to the moon had to go through a depressurization process to acclimatize them to the atmosphere because of the relatively lower air pressure.

This process is similar to the acclimatization necessary when climbing mountains over
15,000 feet.

It has been said that the actual pressure altitude of the habitable craters of the moon are equivalent to 18,000 feet pressure altitude here on earth.

[Kacen]

How the fuck is it possible for a heavenly body to have an atmosphere only on one side?

[johnlear]

How the fuck is it possible for a heavenly body to have an atmosphere only on one side?

Boyles law. The denser air settles to the lowest area. If there were no oceans here on earth we would not have air to breathe because the denser air would settle to the ocean depths.

The areas were people live is lower than the rest of the moon and the denser air settles there.

We look for star occultation's but they are few and far between because:

(1) the atmosphere is very thin
(2) the atmosphere does not extend high enough for us to see an occultation.

The breathable atmosphere is about equivalent to about 18,000 above sea level on earth. Those who go to the moon have to acclimatize over a period of 2 weeks or they would get sick.

Just like climbing Mt. Everest. They have several camps for acclimatization each higher than the previous one. You have to acclimatize your body to the lower pressure.

One of the problems that people have with a breathable atmosphere on the moon is that they are told the gravity is one sixth that of earth and therefore, they are told, there is not enough gravity to hold on to a breathable atmosphere. That is not true. At the very minimum the gravity on the moon is 64% percent that of earth.

We know this by the Bullialdus Law of inverse square which needs only distance, diameter and neutral point. Mass isnot required because it is a comparative value.

During the past several hundred years mainstream science has 'proven' that the moons gravity is one sixth by using the alleged density of the earth of 5.5 grams per centimeter cubed and the alleged density of the moon of 3.4 grams per centimeter cubed then using Newtons Law of Universal Gravitation supported by the Cavendish experiment to come up with one sixth.

However Newtons Law of Universal Law of Gravitation has been torpedoed by Pari Spolter in her book "The Gravitational Influence of the Sun" by scientifically and mathematically proving that gravity has nothing to do with mass/density.

Gravity is the result of F=a.A or gravity equals the acceleration of the planet (its period of orbit around the sun) times the area of circle the radius of which is the mean distance of the planet from the sun.

This is Keplers Third Law.

Mainstream science is now left with only the alleged measurement taken by Apollo 14 to prove gravity on the moon is one sixth that of earth and it is highly unlikely that any Apollo Mission landed on the Moon.

Even if the Apollo mission did land on the moon it is highly unlikely that we would get the truth of the actual gravity on the moon because so much is at stake having the general public believe that the gravity is one sixth that of earth.

Thanks for the post. :)

[Ducky]

Mr. Lear,

I justed wanted to say, that I've enjoyed your 'Camelot' Video(s) and really appreciate the hard work you put in behind these videos and your postings.

Each time I log into Amkon, I always check to see if you post new goodies. I also check out your other site: thelivingmoon.com from time to time as well.

A big Thankyou Sir!

Sincerely,

Ducky

[Foxtrot Oscar]

Hi John.

Now while I have little trouble in finding a lot of this possible. I do have a few questions.

Why do these advanced beings sit there watching when this planet is full of asshats?

I mean they have the technology to tow a big ass lump of rock across the cosmos, but they can't come down here and tell the worlds leaders to stop being such dicks.

Why is America the only continent on your map? (The L1 - Tipping point - map)

Is this another piece of information that we should be taking note of!

Where did these advanced beings come from and how much contact do they have with the Earth (whoever that may be) on a daily basis?

That's it for now.

Cheers

Fox

[johnlear]

Hi John.

Now while I have little trouble in finding a lot of this possible. I do have a few questions.

Why do these advanced beings sit there watching when this planet is full of asshats?

They live their lives without envy, hate or greed.


I mean they have the technology to tow a big ass lump of rock across the cosmos, but they can't come down here and tell the worlds leaders to stop being such dicks.

I have information that we are not welcome on the Moon or anywhere else in the solar system. This does not mean that we can't force ourselves on anyone and anywhere we want. At least for a while.


Why is America the only continent on your map? (The L1 - Tipping point - map)

I don't know what you mean.


Is this another piece of information that we should be taking note of!

I can't figure out what you are talking about.


Where did these advanced beings come from and how much contact do they have with the Earth (whoever that may be) on a daily basis?

If you are talking about the advanced beings on the moon they came from planets just like earth and went through the same painful spiritual growth we are going through. They made it through and are enjoying peace, harmony and love.

The grays also have bases on the moon which they use in their management and care of the containers.

Some of us, however, are continuing to find new ways and new weapons to kill more and more people. If we can't find an enemy readily available we invent one. Right now the mythical "terrorist" is good for a few years. Next it will be an "enemy from Outer Space."

Eventually this killing machine will be dismantled, however this is not our job. Our job is to live our lives without envy, hate or greed; to live our livers with the utmost integrity; and to tell each and every one of our family members how much we love them every single day. Thats all we have to do.

The other stuff will be handled by others.

[johnlear]

I would like anybody's opinion on this photo I recently received taken on the farside of the moon:


http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/9350/moonfarsideaq4.jpg

[Ducky]

1st of all, just wanted to ask what those 'diagnal lines' were?

2nd, I'd like to fiddle around with this pic in photoshop (not to add anything to, but reverse colors, and enlarge pixels, etc.)

3rd, I'm glad you're posting more in Amkon Sir. I for one, won't give you a hard time.

Let me see what I can come up with regarding this pic. Patience my friend.

Question?

If this pic is from the far side of the moon, (assuming that there is ample enough light, coming from where?) The 'light' is from northeast to southwest. How far is this pic (location?) in relation to the side that we normally see?

[Yo Mama]

The diagonal lines are where the path of the satellite's camera were "glued" together. At least, I think that's what that is.

[Ducky]

The diagonal lines are where the path of the satellite's camera were "glued" together. At least, I think that's what that is.

I thought that as well, however, one doesn't normally see these archaic linears all to much nowadays with todays technology...hmm.. unless...

GN? they COULD be lines from a satellite IF...a satelite was on the far side of the moon taking this pic? That was the 1st thing that stood out in my mind. An earth satelite on the far side of the moon? What are the chances?

I need to know:

1. How old is this pic? Why is it in black/white?
2. Where is the link for the original pic?

[Ducky]

I could say pretty well anything at this point regarding the pic, however I refrain from doing so until I have a better view of the pic (original link would help) with regards to any specific details concerning the pic provided.

Mr. Lear provided this pic for us to give an opinion.

Hmm...we can go with this one, and basically give ANY opinion, however, it is best IMHO, that we have the original linky to which we can work with.

'First glances' doesn't cut it in the scientific field. It becomes 'mere personal observation' from individual combined assessments at that point.

More info please?

[johnlear]

The diagonal lines are where the path of the satellite's camera were "glued" together. At least, I think that's what that is.


The photos were exposed in strips but not glued together.

[johnlear]

I thought that as well, however, one doesn't normally see these archaic linears all to much nowadays with todays technology...hmm.. unless...

GN? they COULD be lines from a satellite IF...a satelite was on the far side of the moon taking this pic?

Yes, the Lunar Orbiter.


That was the 1st thing that stood out in my mind. An earth satelite on the far side of the moon? What are the chances?

Yes, there were five of them that were launched in 1966-1967. Their primary purpose was to look for suitable Apollo landing areas.


I need to know:

1. How old is this pic?

41 years old.


Why is it in black/white?

The Lunar Orbiter series only exposed in black and white.


2. Where is the link for the original pic?

In my hot, grubby little hand. :)

[vckums]

I'm not seeing anything in the picture. Looks like the moon, sorry.

I do have a question though. How do we know your hand is hot and grubby? :mrgreen:

[johnlear]

More info please?

Photo taken on the far side in 1967 by a Lunar Orbiter. The existence of this particular photo has been hidden by NASA for 41 years.

You will find it nowhere on the web even if I gave you the correct number.

[Ducky]

[quote=General Nuisance]

I thought that as well, however, one doesn't normally see these archaic linears all to much nowadays with todays technology...hmm.. unless...

GN? they COULD be lines from a satellite IF...a satelite was on the far side of the moon taking this pic?

Yes, the Lunar Orbiter.


That was the 1st thing that stood out in my mind. An earth satelite on the far side of the moon? What are the chances?

Yes, there were five of them that were launched in 1966-1967. Their primary purpose was to look for suitable Apollo landing areas.


I need to know:

1. How old is this pic?

41 years old.


Why is it in black/white?

The Lunar Orbiter series only exposed in black and white.


2. Where is the link for the original pic?

In my hot, grubby little hand. :)[/quote:33901hd1]

Hey Mr. Lear....CALL ME DUCKY!

I have to ask you questions, if you don't mind?

In order for me to check this baby out...I require the 'ioriginal pic'.

Can you provide it? Where did this pic originate from?

[johnlear]

Hey Mr. Lear....CALL ME DUCKY!

I have to ask you questions, if you don't mind?

In order for me to check this baby out...I require the 'ioriginal pic'.

Can you provide it?

No.


Where did this pic originate from?

One of the Lunar Orbiter photo missions sent the photo to earth via radio signal.

suggest you google Lunar Orbiter.

[johnlear]

Here is another look at that Lunar Orbiter photo taken about 41 years ago of the farside of the moon:

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/64/v13johnbum9.jpg

Here is a high definition photo taken by the Japanese sponsored Kayhuga near the same area:

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/5392/20071107kaguyahd03xg1.jpg

Here is an enlarged section of the Lunar Orbiter photo:

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/9350/moonfarsideaq4.jpg

Here is an enlarged section of the Japanese high definition photo from Kayhuga:

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/4932/20071107kaguyahdenlargecx1.jpg

[johnlear]

If this is the best imaging China can do 41 years after Lunar Orbiter then China needs to stick to doing laundry.

Chinese lunar photo

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/7870/chinamoonimagezz0.jpg

Lunar Orbiter photo 1967

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/64/v13johnbum9.jpg

[vckums]

I'm still not seeing anything in the pics.

[johnlear]

I'm still not seeing anything in the pics.

In that case you are not supposed to. You may have to make another few trips back here to earth before the clarity center punches your skull like a tiny diamond.

Judging from your avatar this is probably the case. :

[johnlear]

This photo of the Moon is Lunar Orbiter I-102 and was taken on August 23, 1966 at 4:36 p.m. Greenwich Mean Time and was hailed by NASA's propaganda machine as "...our first view of Earth from the vicinity of the Moon."

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/5056/lo1120fullce3.jpg

Lunar Orbiter I was the first of five lunar orbiting satellite carrying cameras to photograph potential landing areas for the Apollo moon missions. All of the orbiters were launched in 1966 and 1967.

NASA says that this photo was our first detailed oblique view of the lunar landscape and that the spacecraft was 148,437 miles from earth and 750 miles above the lunar surface.

The center of this photograph is approximately 10 degrees south of the Moons equator and 105 degrees east of its prime meridian. The camera is facing westward and north is to the right. The horizon covers about 550 kilometers from south to north.

To verify the actual position of the area shown in this photo I used these 8 craters shown in this photo:

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/6901/lo1102hccsb7.jpg

And compared them with another photo, Lunar Orbiter II-196M, taken of the area centering at 0 degrees 20 minutes south latitude and 100 degrees 30 minutes east of the prime meridian:

http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/1797/loii196mehu8.jpg

I put in a few of the farside crater names and the arrow points in the direction the photo was taken which is west.

Here is a photo taken by the crew of Apollo 12. This photo shows more of the farside than can be seen from earth. I put a green rectangle where the photo LO-I-102 was taken.

http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/1698/as12558226csd2.jpg

[johnlear]

This is a map of the farside with the numbered craters and the approximate orientation of the direction and scope of the Lunar Orbiter photo.

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/8070/farsidemapeor5.jpg

This is another map of the farside and shows where the Lunar Orbiter photo was taken (blue rectangle).

http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/1113/moonmapfarlargehno3.jpg

Here is the right hand portion of Lunar Orbiter I-102:

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/9384/lo1102gnf9.jpg

Here is a close up of a portion of the mining camp. My arrows leave a little bit to be desired but you get the general idea of where to look. I am not making a specific claim as to what the arrows point to, just an area to look.

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/8986/lo1102gminingcampph4.jpg

Here the arrows point to what we believe are structures of some sort:

http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/7633/buildingsaqp5.jpg

Here is an enlargement:

http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/8962/buildingsbeg8.jpg

The resolution of these photos is not too bad considering we are not supposed to know there is anything going on up there. But in the next few weeks I hope to have even better resolutions of these photos.

[theeindiee]

I've seen some good photos that genuinely do look like structures... but I hesitate to look at some of these photos and say conclusively that I can see anything. They are just TOO blurry.

Even some of these Hi Def photos they are trying to sell us as such, they are all too blurry and the black and white is too contrasting.... and it makes it hard to see anything.

It's crap. Not that trying to identify structures on the moon is crap... but most of these photos are genuine pieces of crap, therefore most interpretations of structures can be subjective at best, and that's nobody's fault but NASA and people who view NASA as authoritative. How about this, NASA? I'll bring my super sophisticated polaroid camera on a space mission and out-do your pieces of crap you are selling as authoritative material.

What are we paying for again? Oh yeah. Crap.

I do see what you are talking about... but it's just a blurry nothing to me right now. Do you have clearer versions of these pictures?

[johnlear]

I've seen some good photos that genuinely do look like structures... but I hesitate to look at some of these photos and say conclusively that I can see anything. They are just TOO blurry.

Even some of these Hi Def photos they are trying to sell us as such, they are all too blurry and the black and white is too contrasting.... and it makes it hard to see anything.

It's crap. Not that trying to identify structures on the moon is crap... but most of these photos are genuine pieces of crap, therefore most interpretations of structures can be subjective at best, and that's nobody's fault but NASA and people who view NASA as authoritative. How about this, NASA? I'll bring my super sophisticated polaroid camera on a space mission and out-do your pieces of crap you are selling as authoritative material.

What are we paying for again? Oh yeah. Crap.

I do see what you are talking about... but it's just a blurry nothing to me right now. Do you have clearer versions of these pictures?


NASA is trying to keep a secret. We are trying to expose the secret. NASA has billions of dollars at their disposal to keep this secret. I have a couple of hundred dollars.

I think that maybe you fail to understand that NASA is not here to give you clear photos of the civilization on the Moon. Their job is to cover it up. I think that this is something that you have failed to realize.

When you talk about crap you are talking about all we have to work with and we do our best.

We are trying to pry the lid of a secret that has been withheld from mankind since the beginning of time. It's not easy. What you perceive as 'crap' is seen by others as 'awesome'.

I assume you would prefer an IMAX presentation of the civilization on the Moon with all of its cities, towns, lakes, rivers, meadows, forests, mountains, artifacts etc. Guess what?

[skunk]

I assume you would prefer an IMAX presentation of the civilization on the Moon with all of its cities, towns, lakes, rivers, meadows, forests, mountains, artifacts etc. Guess what?

That would be wonderful. Do you have a copy perchance?

In all seriousness John, what we have to work with is very poor quality. Its unfortunate, but true. NASA has been slipping up with the past Mars photos, but the moon is typically far lower quality.

If you have CLEAR pictures showing civilizations or structures or any other oddities, please share with us. I know the other site wasn't very supportive in any of your discoveries, but here we are a little more open-minded in general.

Thanks.

[theeindiee]

No... okay I should re-word that.

I meant NASA is crap. That's why everyone disagrees because MOST of these structures being pointed out kinda just look like fuzziness... but I've seen some pretty good ones, like the "airport". These that are being presented here are just kinda hard to tell for me. That's really the best that NASA could do? Like you said, it seems like it's a cover up.

I wasn't trying to insult the work you do. I was just typing what I was thinking out loud.

Forests on the moon? That would be weird.

The far side looks pretty barren from the satellite photos. I wonder how long it took to release those photos?

[johnlear]

No... okay I should re-word that.

I meant NASA is crap. That's why everyone disagrees because MOST of these structures being pointed out kinda just look like fuzziness... but I've seen some pretty good ones, like the "airport". These that are being presented here are just kinda hard to tell for me. That's really the best that NASA could do? Like you said, it seems like it's a cover up.

I wasn't trying to insult the work you do. I was just typing what I was thinking out loud.

Forests on the moon? That would be weird.

The far side looks pretty barren from the satellite photos. I wonder how long it took to release those photos?

I don't the public has ever been shown color photos of the farside showing the forests and lakes and rivers. Those photos would not be fit for public consumption. Be happy with what you've got cause it's all you're going to get...in this lifetime anyway. :)

[johnlear]

I assume you would prefer an IMAX presentation of the civilization on the Moon with all of its cities, towns, lakes, rivers, meadows, forests, mountains, artifacts etc. Guess what?

That would be wonderful. Do you have a copy perchance?

In all seriousness John, what we have to work with is very poor quality. Its unfortunate, but true. NASA has been slipping up with the past Mars photos, but the moon is typically far lower quality.

If you have CLEAR pictures showing civilizations or structures or any other oddities, please share with us. I know the other site wasn't very supportive in any of your discoveries, but here we are a little more open-minded in general.

Thanks.

I have no clear pictures showing civilization or structures, cities, towns, unbelievably huge artifacts, bridges, arches, gigantic mushroom shaped structures. NASA has 'em all. :)

[1972]

No... okay I should re-word that.

I meant NASA is crap. That's why everyone disagrees because MOST of these structures being pointed out kinda just look like fuzziness... but I've seen some pretty good ones, like the "airport". These that are being presented here are just kinda hard to tell for me. That's really the best that NASA could do? Like you said, it seems like it's a cover up.

I wasn't trying to insult the work you do. I was just typing what I was thinking out loud.

Forests on the moon? That would be weird.

The far side looks pretty barren from the satellite photos. I wonder how long it took to release those photos?

I don't the public has ever been shown color photos of the farside showing the forests and lakes and rivers. Those photos would not be fit for public consumption. Be happy with what you've got cause it's all you're going to get...in this lifetime anyway. :)


So Anders was covering it up when he described the farside as being the color of dirty beach sand. He also saw a land that was full of craters?

[johnlear]

So Anders was covering it up when he described the farside as being the color of dirty beach sand. He also saw a land that was full of craters?

Yes. What Bill Anders said was, "The backside looks like a sandpile my kids have been playing in for a long time. It's all beat up, no definition. Just a lot of bumps and holes."

He also said, "Actually I think the best way to describe this area is a vastness of black and white-no colr. The sky up here is also rather forbidding, forboding extents of blackness with no stars visible when we're flying over the Moon in daylight."

Anders was less than truthfull with both of these statements. Even with the paltry amount of good photos of the far side we have an exciting landscape which is far more interesting than "just a lot of bumps and holes."

His statement about 'no stars visible' is echoed by Michael Collins, who, in the Apollo 11 NASA Mission Reports Volume 2 "7.0 LOI Through Lunar Module Activation & 7.1 Preparation for LOI" page 40 Collins: "We could not see the stars."

As all other astronauts in Mercury and Gemini missions have described the 'beauty of the star studded universe' makes you wonder if Anders and Collins ever went to the moon or were outright lying.

I think that what both were doing was laying the groundwork for the phoney moon landings in which the background was pitch black in any video or still photo.

In fact, the color of the sky at that time of the morning would have been a saffron color similar to this photo of the Crater Copernicus which has a photo-shopped saffron color selected by Howard Menger who went to the moon in 1954. Howard is retired and lives in Florida.

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/8366/yellowskyamh3.png

[graham72]

John,

Great Pics! In fact, really great pics. Going to try a few filters in Photoshop to see them more clearly.

What I need to ask you is this,

Is this image (attached) scanned in at 1:1 scale / resolution or have you downsized it.
Because we really could do with this image as you have it in your sticky mits - lol

While im on, I know you get a lot of stick from other sites/people , but really, If i wasnt for you we wouldnt get these images out. Well Done Sir! Please keep up your excellent photo releases regardless of slander, there are a lot of people behind you and support your work here in the UK aswell as the US!!!

Take care

G

[1972]

I find the people's on the moon!

Their waving at us right now!

See?

I do not care who you are John.
I could say the moon is round; you would say it is square.
Just because.

[graham72]

Very Good!

Look outside you window, there are probably people there too.

You should go over to Above top secret.com you'll fit in well there.

thanks for your post 1972 :lol:

[Foxtrot Oscar]

http://www.motifake.com/motivational_posters/c7e1372360.jpg (http://www.motifake.com/index.php?start=4748)

[Draig2008]

What I find hard to believe is that EVERY ONE of the astronauts lied about what they saw. And everyone at NASA lies about what's on the moon.

Sorry, for some freakin' reason, the US has a hard time keeping their mouths shut. Someone would have spilled the beans on moon and mars bases years ago.

I think it's a rock in space. Cool place to visit, but no one is home.

[1972]

Very Good!

Look outside you window, there are probably people there too.

You should go over to Above top secret.com you'll fit in well there.

thanks for your post 1972 :lol:


Ouch. The stranger behind that keyboard hurt my feelings.
Why the fuck would I go to that shit hole? At least here I can say what is on my mind. Unlike A T S where I have to curb my thoughts. If my humor isn't your style then why bother commenting at all? At least I try to be funny and have a good time. Unlike some members of supposed notiriety who feel the need to be condescending and belittle other members who disagree with his preposterous posts.

Summer's Eve maybe?

[johnlear]

What I find hard to believe is that EVERY ONE of the astronauts lied about what they saw. And everyone at NASA lies about what's on the moon.

Sorry, for some freakin' reason, the US has a hard time keeping their mouths shut. Someone would have spilled the beans on moon and mars bases years ago.

I think it's a rock in space. Cool place to visit, but no one is home.


I would suggest that you have a lot in common with the moon. :)

[Alessandra]

I would suggest that you have a lot in common with the moon. :)


...

Sick Burn.

[graham72]

Very Good!

Look outside you window, there are probably people there too.

You should go over to Above top secret.com you'll fit in well there.

thanks for your post 1972 :lol:


Ouch. The stranger behind that keyboard hurt my feelings.
Why the fuck would I go to that shit hole? At least here I can say what is on my mind. Unlike A T S where I have to curb my thoughts. If my humor isn't your style then why bother commenting at all? At least I try to be funny and have a good time. Unlike some members of supposed notiriety who feel the need to be condescending and belittle other members who disagree with his preposterous posts.

Chill Out dude! its not worth blowing a fuse . by the way, im just as much a stranger than you. keep your chin up, i thought your drawing is brilliant, a little out of scale but nether the less Brilliant!!

[1972]

I would suggest that you have a lot in common with the moon. :)


...

Sick Burn.

It isn't a burn. It proves my point though.
Sort of like arguing with a carrot.

[Alessandra]

I dunno, it kinda made me giggle. That doesnt happen too often. But hey, maybe I'm just an ass.

[Draig2008]

I would suggest that you have a lot in common with the moon. :)

What, simply because I don't see what you're pointing out in some blurry pictures?

Ok, you're right. I did see the cities, the buildings, and the Wookies that capped JFK.

Whatever. I'm OK, you're Q3.

[graham72]

i can see them. thats enough for me.

[Alessandra]

Whatever. I'm OK, you're Q3.

what is this Q3 you speak of?

[Yo Mama]

Zambian Airways? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q3)

And NOW I remember why I stay out of these threads.

[1972]

Zambian Airways? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q3)

And NOW I remember why I stay out of these threads.

Then I shall come here more often . . .

:batman:

[graham72]

anyone see anything here ?

[Draig2008]

what is this Q3 you speak of?

Ask Big John. He knows everything.

Q1 for my last one. I fuckin' rock!!!

[johnlear]

anyone see anything here ?


No. The photo below is on the farside about 170 east. Anyone see anything here?

http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/5808/farsideterm172westcontrhy4.png

[Yo Mama]

The "observation deck" actually looks more like a Chinese dragon head.

Hey! Maybe that's where all the dragons went.

[1972]

The "observation deck" actually looks more like a Chinese dragon head.

Hey! Maybe that's where all the dragons went.


No!
Here is the man on the moon.
It is Robin Williams' head.

http://www.mutantreviewers.com/rbaron2.jpg

[Alessandra]

dude thats flippin scary looking

[1972]

dude thats flippin scary looking

One of my favorite Terry Gilliam movies:

The Adventures of Baron Munchausen (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096764/)

[graham72]

John (and everyone else)

Just put a few filters through on Photoshop. What do you think ? Definitely something there.

[Yo Mama]

Rocks, there are rocks there.

I seriously don't understand how grainy pictures equal proof of anything on the moon that is not a natural formation.

Pareidolia (http://skepdic.com/pareidol.html)

[johnlear]

Rocks, there are rocks there.

I seriously don't understand how grainy pictures equal proof of anything on the moon that is not a natural formation.

Pareidolia (http://skepdic.com/pareidol.html)



It's one of those deals where 'you had to be there.' :)

[Alessandra]

Rocks, there are rocks there.

I seriously don't understand how grainy pictures equal proof of anything on the moon that is not a natural formation.

Pareidolia (http://skepdic.com/pareidol.html)



It's one of those deals where 'you had to be there.' :)

ok where did I put my spaceflight/time machine?

-_-

[johnlear]

About 400 miles north of the crater we looked at yesterday is Mare Ingenii.

I'd like to tell you a little about Mare Ingenii but its one of those Mares you look at and you mind says "What in the heck is going on here? What am I looking at?"

You wonder if you are looking at an airbrushed photo or is just dirt blowing around or just what the heck is going on?

Here is Mare Ingenii in relation to the place we looked at yesterday.

http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/1198/farsideterm172westnnqs4.jpg

Now here is an enlargment of Mare Ingenii and I put a few arrows at the places that I have a question about.

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/6346/farsideterm172westllxo8.jpg

And now I am going to post an enlargement of Mare Ingenii without any arrows or anything to distract you.

If you can help me figure out what is going on in this photo I would appreciate it.

And for those of you who only see rocks I have a question. How do those rocks get so high in the air? There is not supposed to be any air?

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/1975/farsideterm172westmmil8.jpg

[graham72]

Well John thats a toughy!

I have spent about an hour on this. I have some pretty expensive filters for photoshop which I have applied, specialist lightening software and the like, but this image is way too small - unless you can supply even a higher resolution.

Gonna spend a bit more time on this , but so far this is all i have.

ps. I know the entire site is about to laugh at me, but is that a face (sphinx) I can see at 'A' ??? mmm maybe my imagination

just seen this on the "other" site be sure to watch all 4!!!
http://www.youtube.com/user/LunaCognita

[johnlear]

Well John thats a toughy!

I have spent about an hour on this. I have some pretty expensive filters for photoshop which I have applied, specialist lightening software and the like, but this image is way too small - unless you can supply even a higher resolution.

Gonna spend a bit more time on this , but so far this is all i have.

ps. I know the entire site is about to laugh at me, but is that a face (sphinx) I can see at 'A' ??? mmm maybe my imagination

just seen this on the "other" site be sure to watch all 4!!!
http://www.youtube.com/user/LunaCognita


Give me an email and I will send the 10mb version by yousendit.

[graham72]

ok Brilliant!!

I have sent you a private message

G

Its getting late here 23:48 so ill have a look tom (sat)

[johnlear]

What do you think this angle shaped dust storm could be?

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/5324/farsideterm172westppnv6.jpg

[graham72]

Well it appears on two strips of the image, so if it is a dust cloud , it must have hung about for two passes of the spacecraft - am i right ? is that how this image is composed ??

Venting gasses ?? a cloud ??? maybe produced by mining ?

Why is it blowing in one direction if it is a cloud. Is there evidence of wind on the moon ?? hence the waving apollo flag ?

The more I look at it the more I actually see venting gases, like you would a power station cooling tower. If it is hot gas then it is rushing towards colder dense air/atmosphere. however i could be totally wrong here

[Chorlton]

John, in relation to moon pics.
I see on another forum, you have asked a well known Hoaxer, Gridkeeper AKA John Lenard Walson AKA Simon Anderson, to take some close up photos of certain areas of the moon.
I also note that, since your request he has posted little if anything. I also note someone else there asked if you ever got these images from the Hoaxer?.
So did you get them?

[boycotteverything]

John, in relation to moon pics.
I see on another forum, you have asked a well known Hoaxer, Gridkeeper AKA John Lenard Walson AKA Simon Anderson, to take some close up photos of certain areas of the moon.
I also note that, since your request he has posted little if anything. I also note someone else there asked if you ever got these images from the Hoaxer?.
So did you get them?

Jesus! It's Chillybottom! This golden oldie is for you:

http://botcotteverything.blogspot.com/2 ... plies.html (http://botcotteverything.blogspot.com/2008/05/john-lear-replies.html)


Saturday, May 03, 2008

JOHN LEAR REPLIES!

Broadbent and Shawanna threaten libel suit! http://www.realityuncovered.net/forum/v ... 984#p17922 (http://www.realityuncovered.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&p=17948&sid=2a5727473cfc5a82afebb1b94a0b9984#p17922)

http://www.targetofopportunity.com/muhammed_cartoon.jpg
A really pissed Steve Broadbent (above)

On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 10:49 AM, John Lear wrote:

Kim,

Please let me know if you are going to post this.

All the best,

John


Here is my take on what transpired at RU.

I was invited over by Zorgon who was invited over by ignorethefacts.

Right out of the gate there were many insults but nothing I haven't come to expect.

Access Denied's emotional immaturity manifests itself every time he opens his mouth.

I met him over at ATS and found out he was a wiring technician for a Chinese guy and his mother. He is also a closet biker

All of his posts, though, would leave the unsuspecting and unwary to believe that he worked for the Air Force Research Laboratory and he said as much many times.

He stated in one post that if ever a flying saucer was recovered that we, all of us at ATS, could be assured that it would probably be given to his company to evaluate.

That of course eliminated him as an employee of AFRL. Then we started doing some checking and turns out he works for a little company with headquarters in the south and as far as education all he had was a 2 year electrical degree.

This may account for the bitterness in all of his posts. I honestly don't know what to attribute his lack of emotional maturity whether it is his failure to have accomplished anything in his life, his lack of education, problems at home or some other factor.

He posted a resume on his website a few years ago and what was interesting was that he listed who he had worked for and then listed their accomplishments instead of what he did for them and his accomplishments.

It's like he wanted to believe that his whole life has not been wasted just splicing wires with twistees, soldering connections and displaying his ignorance on the web.

The Kep Tepi guys seems to be unwarily ignorant having accounted for the missing Boeing 767 engines in the WTC by describing the destruction of the CF-6 and P&W engines under 'tons of steel". Now that's just plain ignorance.

Both yfxxx and Chorleton are the loudest of this pack of feral web coyotes. But I think Chorleton has a slight edge over yfxxx because he can ignorantly howl the longest and loudest.

The rest of the pack are just there to yippity, yip, yip, yap into the night each one trying to yippity yap the loudest and best while clinging to the psycho-babble of intellectual morons like Colin Bennett.

RU could most accurately be described as a feral pack of ignorant bullies whose main accomplishment on our planet is the waste of good oxygen.

John Lear May 3, 2008

[Yo Mama]

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p180/metallica2k1/internet_serious_business.jpg

Yip yip yap yippity yippy yay! LOL

[apeci]

Actually, did anyone notice that someone left the lights on in the shadows of the image above?
That is weird. Maybe light reflected back that is glimmering off some sort of minerals?

[KIWI]

Hi .....Bloke over here with a heap of JSC lithographs for sale....42 from Apollo 7-17 and various other stuff......can be seen at www.trademe.co.nz (http://www.trademe.co.nz) .......Antiques and memorabilia.......sub title ....."other".......page 8-9......unfortunitely this site for NZ- AUST citizens.....though anyone can browse it......I have traded twice with this guy and he is legit.....can supply his contact details if anyone interested

Cheers

[century]

About 400 miles north of the crater we looked at yesterday is Mare Ingenii.

I'd like to tell you a little about Mare Ingenii but its one of those Mares you look at and you mind says "What in the heck is going on here? What am I looking at?"

You wonder if you are looking at an airbrushed photo or is just dirt blowing around or just what the heck is going on?

Pretty interesting Lava Tube?!!:spank2:

2253

The 'skylight' in the middle of Mare Ingenni on the Moon's Far Side revealed a tantalizing view of house-sized boulders on part of it's barely illuminated floor in this LRO Narrow Angle Camera (NAC) observation, a LROC News System Feature Image released in June. Two kilometers wide, the Ingenni pit is twice the size of the skylight previously unveiled by JAXA SELENE-1 (Kaguya) investigators in 2009 (M128020284LE, LRO orbit 4026, May 11, 2010) [NASA/GSFC/Arizona State University].

A pit in the Marius Hills region (http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/news/index.php?/archives/184-Marius-Hills-Pit-Lava-Tube-Skylight.html#extended), previously discovered by the JAXA SELENE/Kaguya mission, is thought to be a skylight into a lava tube in the rille-riddled region. Similar to the Marius Hills pit, the pit in Mare Ingenii is probably the result of a partially collapsed lava tube. However, the numerous volcanic features of the Marius Hills (such as the prominent rilles and domes) are not found in Mare Ingenii - so how did this pit form? Future human exploration to this location would surely help scientists answer this question!

Peer into the depths of this exciting
LROC NAC frame (http://wms.lroc.asu.edu/lroc_browse/view/M128202846LE)!

Impact craters are visible everywhere on the Moon, but pits are rare. This pit in Mare Ingenii (35.95°S, 166.06°E) is about 130 meters in diameter! Image width is 220 meters, illumination is from the upper right, NAC M128202846LE (http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/news/uploads/LROCiotw/M128202846LE_thumb.png)

[NASA/GSFC/Arizona State University].


Lillian Ostrach
LROC News System (http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/news/index.php?/archives/246-Depths-of-Mare-Ingenii.html)

[johnlear]

My current estimate of the population on the moon is 2 billion people almost identical to us. The atmosphere outside of the dome enclosures or other protection is equal to about 18,000 feet here on earth. The gravity is about 70% that of earth's. The temperatures (day and night) are not near the values given to you by NAZA. :)

[hp]

Hi John, happy to see you back.

[Pam]

Welcome back, look forward to your stories :D

Reader at OMF, post rarely there, glad you broke out ;)

Name is Pam at OMF

[mur]

My current estimate of the population on the moon is 2 billion people almost identical to us. The atmosphere outside of the dome enclosures or other protection is equal to about 18,000 feet here on earth. The gravity is about 70% that of earth's. The temperatures (day and night) are not near the values given to you by NAZA. :)

John...thrilled to see you leave OMF...you will never be censored here

[egg]

My current estimate of the population on the moon is 2 billion people almost identical to us. The atmosphere outside of the dome enclosures or other protection is equal to about 18,000 feet here on earth. The gravity is about 70% that of earth's. The temperatures (day and night) are not near the values given to you by NAZA. :)

Hahahahaahahaa! You know how many of this bunch have talked about you here over the year I've been a member. Welcome! Don't leave because of the trolling.

Do you have any pictures of the moon's inhabitants?

[boycotteverything]

http://amkon.net/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Chorlton
John, in relation to moon pics.
I see on another forum, you have asked a well known Hoaxer, Gridkeeper AKA John Lenard Walson AKA Simon Anderson, to take some close up photos of certain areas of the moon.
I also note that, since your request he has posted little if anything. I also note someone else there asked if you ever got these images from the Hoaxer?.
So did you get them?

Jesus! It's Chillybottom! This golden oldie is for you:

http://botcotteverything.blogspot.com/2 ... plies.html (http://botcotteverything.blogspot.com/2008/05/john-lear-replies.html)
http://botcotteverything.blogspot.com/2 ... plies.html (http://botcotteverything.blogspot.com/2008/05/john-lear-replies.html)

Saturday, May 03, 2008

JOHN LEAR REPLIES!

[QUOTE]Broadbent and Shawanna threaten libel suit! http://www.realityuncovered.net/forum/v ... 984#p17922 (http://www.realityuncovered.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&p=17948&sid=2a5727473cfc5a82afebb1b94a0b9984#p17922)http://www.targetofopportunity.com/muhammed_cartoon.jpg
A really pissed Steve Broadbent (above)


On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 10:49 AM, John Lear wrote:

Kim,

Please let me know if you are going to post this.

All the best,

John


Here is my take on what transpired at RU.

I was invited over by Zorgon who was invited over by ignorethefacts.

Right out of the gate there were many insults but nothing I haven't come to expect.

Access Denied's emotional immaturity manifests itself every time he opens his mouth.

I met him over at ATS and found out he was a wiring technician for a Chinese guy and his mother. He is also a closet biker

All of his posts, though, would leave the unsuspecting and unwary to believe that he worked for the Air Force Research Laboratory and he said as much many times.

He stated in one post that if ever a flying saucer was recovered that we, all of us at ATS, could be assured that it would probably be given to his company to evaluate.

That of course eliminated him as an employee of AFRL. Then we started doing some checking and turns out he works for a little company with headquarters in the south and as far as education all he had was a 2 year electrical degree.

This may account for the bitterness in all of his posts. I honestly don't know what to attribute his lack of emotional maturity whether it is his failure to have accomplished anything in his life, his lack of education, problems at home or some other factor.

He posted a resume on his website a few years ago and what was interesting was that he listed who he had worked for and then listed their accomplishments instead of what he did for them and his accomplishments.

It's like he wanted to believe that his whole life has not been wasted just splicing wires with twistees, soldering connections and displaying his ignorance on the web.

The Kep Tepi guys seems to be unwarily ignorant having accounted for the missing Boeing 767 engines in the WTC by describing the destruction of the CF-6 and P&W engines under 'tons of steel". Now that's just plain ignorance.

Both yfxxx and Chorleton are the loudest of this pack of feral web coyotes. But I think Chorleton has a slight edge over yfxxx because he can ignorantly howl the longest and loudest.

The rest of the pack are just there to yippity, yip, yip, yap into the night each one trying to yippity yap the loudest and best while clinging to the psycho-babble of intellectual morons like Colin Bennett.

RU could most accurately be described as a feral pack of ignorant bullies whose main accomplishment on our planet is the waste of good oxygen.

John Lear May 3, 2008


Since I have a long memory, and since the subject of RU came up earlier- i'm gonna bump this little ditty from earlier on in this thread.

[boycotteverything]

A bit of history for the benefit of newcomers to Amkon. Welcome back Johnlear! Really good to see you.

[Pam]

Hoping this thread revival doesn't bring in a new influx of kooks :D

[MrPenny]

The head 'kook' has arrived.

Hi john.....:D

[Pam]

The head 'kook' has arrived.

Hi john.....:D

Is that you, me or BE?

[MrPenny]

It's John.....he is a marvelous "kook" and I respect his tenacity in pursuing his "kookiness".

[Pam]

:lol: I should have known that ;)

[johnlear]

Hi John, happy to see you back.


Thanks HP. :)

[johnlear]

Welcome back, look forward to your stories :D

Reader at OMF, post rarely there, glad you broke out ;)

Name is Pam at OMF


Hi Pam. Nice to be back. :)

[johnlear]

John...thrilled to see you leave OMF...you will never be censored here

Thanks Mur, nice to be back. :)

[johnlear]

Hahahahaahahaa! You know how many of this bunch have talked about you here over the year I've been a member. Welcome! Don't leave because of the trolling.

Do you have any pictures of the moon's inhabitants?

Don't have any pictures but they look identical to us. Thanks for the welcome back. :)

[johnlear]

A bit of history for the benefit of newcomers to Amkon. Welcome back Johnlear! Really good to see you.


Thanks BCE. Nice to be back. :)

[johnlear]

The head 'kook' has arrived.

Hi john.....:D

Thats 'MR. Head Kook' to you Mr. Penney. :)

[Trauma Teased]

Hi, John Lear.

I am a skeptic and you probably won't like me much, but welcome anyway.

[Pam]

Hi, John Lear.

I am a skeptic and you probably won't like me much, but welcome anyway.

He'll learn to love you TT... everyone does :D

[Trauma Teased]

He'll learn to love you TT... everyone does :D

Haha, you are very sweet, Pam, but that is hardly true.

;)

[Pam]

Haha, you are very sweet, Pam, but that is hardly true.

;)

Well some are still in the learning mode, silly. That is why I am dumb but you are dumber!

[Trauma Teased]

Well some are still in the learning mode, silly. That is why I am dumb but you are dumber!

What a pair we are, hahahaha! Let's sing for Mr Lear.

MOCKINGBIRD!

Or perhaps not....

:D

[Pam]

Yah.... I agree let's not ;)

[johnlear]

Hi, John Lear.

I am a skeptic and you probably won't like me much, but welcome anyway.


If there were not any skeptics posting wouldn't be any fun would it? :)

We would just have a bunch of adoring idolizers like Mr. Penney. :)

[Set]

Oops, I've logged onto David Icke's asylum instead of Amkon! :crap:

[MrPenny]

like Mr. Penney. :)

John, I'm pretty sure you're a smart guy....and certainly not one to fall back on the goofiness of some of Amkon's less literate posters....but you and I will get along really well if you would show the minimum level of respect and refer to me with the correct alias....MrPenny.....

'Penny' works as well.

If you can't do that...your time here will be very short.

[Martian Exile]

John!! Good God it's good to see you back.

[BE2]

John, I'm pretty sure you're a smart guy....and certainly not one to fall back on the goofiness of some of Amkon's less literate posters....but you and I will get along really well if you would show the minimum level of respect and refer to me with the correct alias....MrPenny.....

'Penny' works as well.

If you can't do that...your time here will be very short.Fuck off, MrPeePee.

[Lexion]

Welcome back, John.

Do you per chance still have the
*boinka-boinka* sketch ?

I loved that sketch.

[MrPenny]

That was one for the books. I still laugh just remembering it.

[johnlear]

John, I'm pretty sure you're a smart guy....and certainly not one to fall back on the goofiness of some of Amkon's less literate posters....but you and I will get along really well if you would show the minimum level of respect and refer to me with the correct alias....MrPenny.....

'Penny' works as well.

If you can't do that...your time here will be very short.


Mr. Penney,

I thought you might see the humor you referring to me as 'head kook' and then me referring to you and Mr. Penney. But since you put it the way you did above you will always be Mr. Penney to me. Got it? How long have I got? :)

[MrPenny]

Fuck off, MrPeePee.

1: I've never referred to the gentleman as anything other than John Lear.

2: I grudgingly admit a great deal of respect for his tenacity while facing a tremendous amount of grief....some of it from me.

3: I am envious of his accomplishments in the field of aviation.

4: At a minimum....I don't think it's out of line to expect John Lear to refer to me with my chosen Internet persona...MrPenny. Or at the very least, earn the right to fuck with my username; just as you have.

Okay?

[FancyFree]

'till half past a monkey's ass.

:)

[MrPenny]

I thought you might see the irony of you refering to me as 'head kook'

Well......Okay....I did refer to you use as the "head kook". But, in my defense....I will never refer to you as "John Leer"....or, "John Loon".....or any other derivative.....

'Kay?

[johnlear]

For Lexion:



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[Martian Exile]

This thread will be a little more peaceful with Chorlton gone, now if we could only recover the other lost 25 pages of fun stuff lost in the colonic.

[johnlear]

Well......Okay....I did refer to you use as the "head kook". But, in my defense....I will never refer to you as "John Leer"....or, "John Loon".....or any other derivative.....

'Kay?

Mr. Penney,

You can refer to me as 'Lear the Queer' for all I care. Good knows I've heard that a few times in the past 68 years. :)

[johnlear]

This thread will be a little more peaceful with Chorlton gone, now if we could only recover the other lost 25 pages of fun stuff lost in the colonic.

Chumpletons gone? Gone like what? Gone like he's not here? Did you try your best?

[Martian Exile]

BE told us he died.

[skunk]

I don't think he posts on forums anymore.

[Lexion]

For Lexion:



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God, I've missed you.

[Snow Crash]

Chumpletons gone? Gone like what? Gone like he's not here? Did you try your best?

Probably went off and joined the BNP to fight 'the fucking pakis' and save the world from Sharia Law, or to wage jihad on Ze Germans.

[Lexion]

Probably went off and joined the BNP to fight 'the fucking pakis' and save the world from Sharia Law, or to wage jihad on Ze Germans.

Still have KFC, there ?

[Snow Crash]

Still have KFC, there ?

Regrettably.

[Lexion]

I heard they went all "muzzie" and stuff.

True ?

[Snow Crash]

Define 'going all muzzie and sturrrrrrrrrrrrff'.

[Lexion]

They still let you take trains ?

[Snow Crash]

No, we ride around on camels, waving scimitars and AK47s while burning/beheading all those fat American tourists you see hanging around the gates of Buckingham Palace. We were going to stone the Queen to death for getting above her station.... then we realised she was actually a he. So it's all good.

[Lexion]

No, we ride around on camels, waving scimitars and AK47s while burning/beheading all those fat American tourists you see hanging around the gates of Buckingham Palace. We were going to stone the Queen to death for getting above her station.... then we realised she was actually a he. So it's all good.

So, Saudi Arabia is still safe ?

[Snow Crash]

Who gives a fuck about Saudi Arabia. Bunch of moderates.... they too shall burn in hellfire when the end comes. And no, I don't mean the missle either, Infidel.

[Lexion]

Still wanking, I see.

There is a cure.

I'll allow you to figure that out.

Until then, enjoy your hand.

[Snow Crash]

Still wanking, I see.

There is a cure.

I'll allow you to figure that out.

Until then, enjoy your hand.

You seem obsessed with my sex life tonight Lex. Feeling lonely or something?

[lala]

Hi there John, good to see your back . . . . hip hip hooray ;) :D

[Trauma Teased]

If there were not any skeptics posting wouldn't be any fun would it? :)


I know! And I guess you are having a whole lot of fun posting about the moon and "NAZA" and stuff, aren't you?

Now about those 2 billion people (well, almost people, since they only look almost like us) living on the moon. I want to have some fun too, so I would very much like to know excactly how you came to that estimated number? And do they all live on the far side of the moon, since no amateur astronomer with a really good telescope, and there are many of them around the world, has ever seen or photographed any signs of this almost-people civilisation?

[boycotteverything]

Order in the teapot! Order in the Teapot!

Before we get too far along in this latest insane incarnation of the moon foodfight I'd like to clear a few things up. First there is MrPeePeePanties and his indignation at johnlear's refusal to conform to his version of internet ettiquette and the associated threat that johnear will be driven from our humble shithole by the likes of him. The threat, "You won't last very long" sounds an awful lot like the same threat made to johnlear at RU. And, of course, they had the power to make it so. The gaulieters who run that popsiclestand of a forum hold the ban hammer in their sticky little fingers and wield it often and with great joy. The same goes for IvoLeDouche over at OMF- the internet's most notorious putz. Here there is no such problem. Amkon had the good judgement run the moderators off years ago. So no, MrPeePee, johnlear's stay here will be as long as he chooses regardless of your petulant and irrelevant little demands.

Second, I must say I was shocked (shocked, I tell you!) when I found out that johnlear had morphed into John Lear and joined that den of assholery known here as Empty Minds Forum. As big as that whorehouse has grown it is still not big enough to contain either johnlear or John Lear because he always refuses to be ruled. That's the nature of the man. I believe I made just such a prediction when he originally joined- right here on this forum- in the famous Borg thread.

And lastly, as a point of departure for the moon discussion, I will re-post one more time the famous Wall o' Type that made johnlear relevant to UFOlogy in the first place. Understanding this essay is to understand how this sweet science came to be what it is today.
The Famous John Lear Wall 'o Type, 1987



Here it is fellow amkoids- the Paranet post that kick-started Exopolitics! (http://amkon.net/showthread.php/28614-The-Famous-John-Lear-Wall-o-Type-1987) BENews Corp® is proud to reproduce this famous manifesto by our own John Lear. Most of the members here were either diapered or still swimming around in their fathers' left nuts when this Wall 'o Type originally whacked the ufers in the ass. Read and weep- and enjoy! >> John Lear has requested that the following file be published on ParaNet. It
is our philosophy to encourage debate on paranormal issues, no matter how
controversial, and we welcome his input. The information contained in this file
has not been verified by ParaNet, nor do the opinions expressed herein
necessarily reflect those of the Administrator or other ParaNet staff members.
We can state, however, that John is who he says he is, and has numerous
contacts in sensitive positions that could conceivably allow him access to
information of this type.
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Statement Released By:

John Lear

December 29, 1987

John Lear, a captain for a major US Airline has flown over 160
different types of aircraft in over 50 different countries. He holds
17 world speed record in the Lear Jet and is the only pilot ever to
hold every airline certificate issued by the Federal Aviation
Administration. Mr. Lear has flown missions worldwide for the CIA and
other government agencies. A former Nevada State Senator candidate,
he is the son of William P. Lear, designer of the Lear Jet executive
airplane, the 8-track stereo, and founder of Lear Siegler Corporation.
Lear became interested in the subject of UFO's 13 months ago after
talking with United States Air Force Personnel who had witnessed a UFO
landing at Bentwaters AFB, near London, England, and three small
aliens walking up to the Wing Commander.

Note to the Press:
The government of the United States continues to rely on your
personal and professional gullibility to suppress the information
contained herein. Your cooperation over the past 40 years has exceeded
our wildest expectations and we salute you.

"The sun does not revolve around the Earth"
"The United States Government has been in business
with little gray extraterrestrials for about 20 years"

The first truth stated here got Giordano Bruno burned at the stake in AD
1600 for daring to propose that it was real. The second truth has
gotten far more people killed trying to state it publicly than will ever
be known.

But the truth must be told. The fact that the Earth revolves around the
sun was successfully suppressed by the church for over 200 years. It
eventually cause a major upheaval in the church, government, and
thought. A realignment of social and traditional values. That was in
the 1800's.

Now, about 400 years after the first truth was pronounced we must again
face the shocking facts. The "horrible truth" the government has been
hiding from us over 40 years. Unfortunately, the "horrible truth" is
far more horrible than the government ever imagined.

In its effort to protect democracy, our government sold us to the
aliens. And here is how it happened. But before I begin, I'd like to
offer a word in the defense of those who bargained us away. They had
the best of intentions.

Germany may have recovered a flying saucer as early as 1939. General
James H. Doolittle went to Sweden in 1946 to inspect a flying saucer
that had crashed there in Spitzbergen.

The "horrible truth" was known by only a very few persons: They were
indeed ugly little creatures, shaped like praying mantises and who were
more advanced than us by perhaps a billion years. Of the original group
that were the first to learn the "horrible truth", several committed
suicide, the most prominent of which was General James V. Forrestal who
jumped to his death from a 16th story hospital window. General
Forrestal's medical records are sealed to this day.

President Truman quickly put a lid on the secret and turned the screws
so tight that the general public still thinks that flying saucers are a
joke. Have I ever got a surprise for them.

In 1947, President Truman established a group of 12 of the top military
scientific personnel of their time. They were known as MJ-12. Although
the group exists today, none of the original members are still alive.
The last one to die was Gordon Gray, former Secretary of the Army, in
1984. As each member passed away, the group itself appointed a new
member to fill the position. There is some speculation that the group
known as MJ-12 expanded to at least several more members.

There were several more saucer crashes in the late 1940's, one in
Roswell, New Mexico, one in Aztec, New Mexico, and one near Laredo,
Texas, about 30 miles inside the Mexican border.

Consider, if you will, the position of the United States Government at
that time. They proudly thought of themselves as the most powerful
nation on Earth, having recently produced the atomic bomb, and
achievement so stupendous, it would take Russia 4 years to catch up, and
only with the help of traitors to Democracy. They had built a jet
aircraft that had exceeded the speed of sound in flight. They had built
jet bombers with intercontinental range that could carry weapons of
enormous destruction. The post war era, and the future seemed bright.
Now imagine what it was like for those same leaders, all of whom had
witnessed the panic of Orson Wells' radio broadcast, "The War of the
Worlds", in 1938. Thousands of Americans panicked at a realistically
presented invasion of Earth by beings from another planet. Imagine their
horror as they actually viewed the dead bodies of these frightening
looking little creatures with enormous eyes, reptilian skin and claw
like fingers. Imagine their shock as they attempted to determine how
these strange "saucers" were powered and could discover no part even
remotely similar to components they were familiar with: no cylinders or
pistons, no vacuum tubes or turbines or hydraulic actuators. It is
only when you fully understand the overwhelming helplessness the
government was faced with in the late 40's that you can comprehend their
perceived need for a total, thorough and sweeping cover up, to include
the use of "deadly force".

The cover-up was so successful that as late as 1985 a senior scientist
with the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California, Dr. Al
Hibbs, would look at a video tape of an enormous flying saucer and state
the record, "I'm not going to assign anything to that (UFO) phenomena
without a lot more data". Dr. Hibbs was looking at the naked emperor
and saying, "He certainly looks naked, but that doesn't prove he's
naked."

In July of 1952, a panicked government watched helplessly as squadron of
"flying saucers" flew over Washington, D.C., and buzzed the White House,
the Capitol Building, and the Pentagon. It took all the imagination and
intimidation the government could muster to force that incident out of
the memory of the public.

Thousands of sightings occurred during the Korean war and several more
sauces were retrieved by the Air Force. Some were stored at Wright-
Patterson Air Force Base, some were stored at Air Force bases near the
location of the crash sight.

One saucer was so enormous and the logistic problems in transportation
so enormous that it was buried at the crash sight and remains there
today. The stories are legendary on transporting crashed saucers over
long distances, moving only at night, purchasing complete farms,
slashing through forests, blocking major highways, sometimes driving 2
and 3 lo-boys in tandem with and extraterrestrial load a hundred feet
in diameter.

On April 30, 1964, the first communication between these aliens and the
U.S. Government took place at Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico. 3
saucers landed at a prearranged area and a meeting was held between the
aliens and intelligence officers of the U.S. Government.

During the period of 1969-1971, MJ-12 representing the U.S. Government
made a deal with these creatures, called EBE's (Extraterrestrial
Biological Entities, named by Detley Bronk, original MJ-12 member and
6th President of Johns Hopkins University). The "deal" was that in
exchange for "technology" that they would provide to us, we agreed to
"ignore" the abductions that were going on and suppress information on
the cattle mutilations. The EBE's assured MJ-12 that the abductions
(usually lasting about 2 hours) were merely the ongoing monitoring of
developing civilizations.

In fact, the purposes for the abductions turned out to be:

(1) The insertion of a 3mm spherical device through
the nasal cavity of the abductee into the brain.
the device is used for the biological monitoring,
tracking, and control of the abductee.

(2) Implementation of Posthypnotic Suggestion to carry
out a specific activity during a specific time period,
the actuation of which will occur within the next
2 to 5 years.

(3) Termination of some people so that they could function
as living sources for biological material and
substances.

(4) Termination of individuals who represent a threat to
the continuation of their activity.

(5) Effect genetic engineering experiments.

(6) Impregnation of human females and early termination of
pregnancies to secure the crossbreed infant.

The U.S. Government was not initially aware of the far reaching
consequences of their "deal". They were led to believe that the
abductions were essentially benign and since they figured the abductions
would probably go on anyway whether they agreed or not, they merely
insisted that a current list of abductees be submitted, on a periodic
basis, to MJ-12 and the National Security Council. Does this sound
incredible? An actual list of abductees sent to the National Security
Council? Read on, because I have news for you.

The EBE's have a genetic disorder in that their digestive system is
atrophied and not functional. Some speculate that they were involved in
some type of accident or nuclear war, or possibly on the back side of
and evolutionary genetic curve. In order to sustain themselves they use
an enzyme or hormonal secretion obtained from the tissue that they
extract from humans and animals. (Note: Cows and Humans are genetically
similar. In the event of a national disaster, cow's blood can be used
by humans.)

The secretions obtained are then mixed with hydrogen peroxide and
applied on the skin by spreading or dipping parts of their bodies in the
solution. The body absorbs the solution, then excretes the waste back
through the skin. The cattle mutilations that were prevalent throughout
the period from 1973 to 1983 and publicly noted through newspaper and
magazine stories and included a documentary produced by Linda Howe for
the Denver CBS affiliate KMGH-TV, were for the collection of these
tissues by the aliens. The mutilations included genitals taken, rectums
cored out to the colon, eyes, tongue, and throat all surgically removed
with extreme precision. In some cases the incisions were made by
cutting between the cells, a process we are not yet capable of
performing in the field. In many of the mutilations there was no blood
found at all in the carcass, yet there was no vascular collapse of the
internal organs. This has been also noted in the human mutilations, one
of the first of which was Sgt. Jonathan P. Louette at the White Sands
Missile Test Range in 1956, who was found three days after an Air Force
Major had witnessed his abduction by a "disk shaped" object at 0300
while on a search for missile debris downrange. His genitals had been
removed, rectum cored out in a surgically precise "plug" up to the
colon, eyes removed and all blood removed with, again, no vascular
collapse. From some of the evidence it is apparent that this surgery is
accomplished, in most cases, while the victim, animal or human, is still
alive.

The various parts of the body are taken to various underground
laboratories, one of which is known to be near the small New Mexico town
of Dulce. This jointly occupied (CIA-Alien) facility has been described
as enormous, with huge tiled walls that "go on forever". Witnesses have
reported huge vats filled with amber liquid with parts of human bodies
being stirred inside.

After the initial agreement, Groom Lake, one of this nations most secret
test centers, was closed for a period of about a year, sometime between
about 1972 and 1974, and a huge underground facility was constructed for
and with the help of the EBE's. The "bargained for" technology was set
in place but could only be operated by the EBE's themselves. Needless
to say, the advanced technology could not be used against the EBE's
themselves, even if needed.

During the period between 1979 and 1983 it became increasingly obvious
to MJ-12 that things were not going as planned. It became known that
many more people (in the thousands) were being abducted than were listed
on the official abduction lists. In addition it became obvious that
some, not all, but some of the nation's missing children had been used
for secretions and other parts required by the aliens.

In 1979 there was an altercation of sorts at the Dulce laboratory. A
special armed forces unit was called in to try and free a number of our
people trapped in the facility, who had become aware of what was really
going on. According to one source, 66 of the soldiers were killed and
our people were not freed.

By 1984, MJ-12 must have been in stark terror at the mistake they had
made in dealing with the EBE's. They had subtly promoted "Close
Encounters of the Third Kind" and "E.T." to get the public used to "odd
looking" aliens that were compassionate, benevolent and very much our
"space brothers". MJ-12 "sold" the EBE's to the public, and were now
faced with the fact that quite the opposite was true. In addition, a
plan was formulated in 1968 to make the public aware of the existence of
aliens on earth over the next 20 years to be culminated with several
documentaries to be released during 1985-1987 period of time. These
documentaries would explain the history and intentions of the EBE's.
The discovery of the "Grand Deception" put the entire plans, hopes and
dreams of MJ-12 into utter confusion and panic.

Meeting at the "Country Club", a remote lodge with private golf course,
comfortable sleeping and working quarters, and its own private airstrip
built by and exclusively for the member of MJ-12, it was a factional
fight of what to do now. Part of MJ-12 wanted to confess the whole
scheme and shambles it had become to the public, beg their forgiveness
and ask for their support. The other part (and majority) of MJ-12
argued that there was no way they could do that, that the situation was
untenable and there was no use in exciting the public with the "horrible
truth" and that the best plan was to continue the development of a
weapon that could be used against the EBE's under the guise of "SDI",
the Strategic Defense Initiative, which had nothing whatsoever to do
with a defense for inbound Russian nuclear missiles. As these words are
being written, Dr. Edward Teller, "father" of the H-Bomb is personally
in the test tunnels of the Nevada Test Site, driving his workers and
associates in the words of one, "like a man possessed". And well he
should, for Dr. Teller is a member of MJ-12 along with Dr. Kissenger,
Admiral Bobby Inman, and possibly Admiral Poindexter, to name a few of
the current members of MJ-12.

Before the "Grand Deception" was discovered and according to a
meticulous plan of metered release of information to the public, several
documentaries and video tapes were made. William Moore, a Burbank,
California, based UFO researcher who wrote "The Roswell Incident", a
book published in 1980 that detailed the crash, recovery and subsequent
cover-up of a UFO with 4 alien bodies, has a video tape of 2 newsmen
interviewing a military officer associated with MJ-12. This military
officer answers questions relating to the history of MJ-12 and the
cover-up, the recovery of a number of flying saucers and the existence
of a live alien (one of 3 living aliens captured and designated, or
named, EBE-1, EBE-2, and EBE-3, being held in a facility designated as
YY-II at Los Alamos, New Mexico. The only other facility of this type,
which is electromagnetically secure, is at Edwards Air Force Base in
Mojave, California). The officer names as previously mentioned
plus a few others: Harold Brown, Richard Helms, Gen. Vernon Walters,
JPL's Dr. Lew Allen and Dr. Theodore von Karman, to name a few of the
current and past members of MJ-12.

The officer also relates the fact that the EBE's claim to have created
Christ. The EBE's have a type of recording device that has recorded all
of Earth's history and can display it in the form of a hologram. This
hologram can be filmed but because of the way holograms work does not
come out very clear on movie film or video tape. The crucifixion of
Christ on the Mount of Olives has allegedly been put on film to show the
public. The EBE's claim to have created Christ, which, in view of the
"Grand Deception", could be an effort to disrupt traditional values for
undetermined reasons.

Another video tape allegedly in existence is an interview with an EBE.
Since EBE's communicate telepathically, and Air Force Colonel serves as
an interpreter. Just before the recent stock market correction in
October of 1987, several newsmen, including Bill Moore, had been invited
to Washington, D.C., to personally film the EBE in a similar type
interview, and distribute the film to the public. Apparently, because
of the correction in the market, it was felt the timing was not
propitious. In any case, it certainly seems like an odd method to
inform the public of extraterrestrials, but it would be in keeping with
the actions of a panicked organization who at this point in time doesn't
know which way to turn.

Moore is also in possession of more Aquarius documents, a few pages of
which leaked out several years ago and detailed the supersecret NSA
project which had been denied by them until just recently. In a letter
to Senator John Glenn, NSA's Director of Policy, Julia B. Wetzel, wrote,
"Apparently there is or was an Air Force project with that name
(Aquarius) which dealt with UFO's. Coincidently, there is also an NSA
project by that name." NSA's project Aquarius deals specifically with
the "communications wit the aliens" (the EBE's). Within the Aquarius
program was project "Snowbird", a project to test-fly a recovered alien
aircraft at Groom Lake, Nevada. This project continues today at that
location. In the words of an individual who works at Groom Lake, "Our
people are much better at taking things apart than they are at putting
them back together."

Moore, who claims he has a contact with MJ-12, feels that they have been
stringing him along, slipping him documents and providing him leads,
promising to go public with some of the information on extraterrestrials
by the end of 1987.

Certain of Moore's statements lead one to believe that Moore himself is
a government agent working for MJ-12, not to be strung along, but string
along ever hopeful UFOlogists that the truth is just around the corner.
Consider:

1. Moore states emphatically that he is not a government
agent, although when Lee Graham (a Southern California
based UFOlogist) was investigated by DIS (Defense
Investigative Service) for possession of classified
documents received from Moore, Moore himself was not.

2. Moore states emphatically that the cattle mutilations
of 1973-1983 were a hoax by Linda Howe (producer of
"A Strange Harvest") to create publicity for herself.
He cites the book "Mute Evidence" as the bottom line of
the hoax. "Mute Evidence" was a government sponsored
book to explain the mutilations in conventional terms.

3. Moore states that the U.S.A.F. Academy physics book,
"Introductory Space Science", vol. II chapter 13, entitled
"Unidentified Flying Objects", which describes four of
the most commonly seen aliens (one of which is the EBE)
was written by Lt. Col. Edward R. Therkelson and Major
Donald B. Carpenter, Air Force personnel who did not
know what they were talking about and were merely siting
"crackpot" references. He, Moore, states that the book
was withdrawn to excise the chapter.

If the government felt they were being forced to acknowledge the
existence of aliens on Earth because of the overwhelming evidence such
as the October and November sightings in Wytheville, Va., and recently
released books such as "Night Siege" (Hynek, J. Allen;Imbrogno, Phillip
J.;Pratt, Bob:Night Siege, Ballantine Books, Random House, New York),
and taking into consideration the "grand deception" and obviously hostile
intentions of the EBE's, it might be expedient for MJ-12 to admit the
EBE's but conceal the information on the mutilations and abductions. If
MJ-12 and Moore were in some kind of agreement then it would be
beneficial to Moore to tow the party line. For example, MJ-12 would
say..."here are some more genuine documents...but remember...no talking
about the mutilations or abductions". This would be beneficial to Moore
as it would supply the evidence to support his theory that E.T.'s exist
but deny the truths about the E.T.'s. However, if Moore was indeed
working for MJ-12, he would follow the party line anyway...admitting the
E.T.'s but pooh poohing the mutilations and abductions. If working
alone, Moore might not even be aware of the "grand deception".

Time will tell. It is possible that Moore will go ahead and release the
video interview with the military officer around the first of the year,
as he has promised. From MJ-12's point of view, the public would be
exposed to the information without really having to believe it because
Moore is essentially not as credible a source as, say, the President of
the United States. After a few months of digestion and discussion, a
more credible source could emerge with a statement that yes in fact the
interview was essentially factual. This scenario would cushion somewhat
the blow to the public. If, however, Moore does not release the tape
by, say, February 1 of 1988, but comes instead with a story similar to:
"MJ-12 has informed me that they are definitely planning a release of
all information by October of 88. I have seen the plan and have seen
the guarantee that this will happen, so I have decided to withhold the
release of my video tape at this time as it may cause some problems with
MJ-12's plans." This would in effect buy more time for MJ-12 and time
is what they desperately need.

Now you ask, "Why haven't I heard about any of this?" Who do you think
you would hear it from? Dan Rather? Tom Brokaw? Sam Donaldson?
Wrong. These people just read the news, they don't find it. They have
ladies who call and interview witnesses and verify statements on stories
coming over the wire (either AP or UPI). It's not like Dan Rather would
go down to Wytheville, Virginia, and dig into why there were 4 THOUSAND
reported sightings in October and November of 1987. Better that Tom
Brokaw or someone else should risk their credibility on this type of
story. Tom Brokaw? Tom wants Sam Donaldson to risk his credibility.
No one, but no one, is going to risk their neck on such outlandish
ideas, regardless of how many people report sightings of 900 foot
objects running them off the road. In the case of the Wytheville
sightings, dozens of vans with NASA lettered on the side failed to
interest newsmen. And those that asked questions were informed that
NASA was doing a weather survey.

Well then, you ask, what about our scientists? What about Carl Sagan?
Isaac Asimov? Arthur C. Clarke? Wouldn't they have known? If Carl
Sagan knows then he is committing a great fraud through the solicitation
of memberships in the Planetary Society, "to search for extraterrestrial
intelligence". Another charade into which the U.S. Government dumps
million of dollar every year is the radiotelescope in Arecibo, Puerto
Rico, operated by Cornell University with - guess who? - Carl Sagan.
Cornell is ostensibly searching for signals from Outer Space, a sign
maybe, that somebody is out there. It is hard to believe that
relatively intelligent astronomers like Sagan could be so ignorant.

What about Isaac Asimov? Surely the most prolific science fiction
writer of all time would have guessed by now that there must be an
enormous cover-up? Maybe, but if he knows he's not saying. Perhaps
he's afraid that Foundation and Empire will turn out to be inaccurate.

What about Arthur C. Clarke? Surely the most technically accurate of
Science Fiction writers with very close ties to NASA would have at least
a hint of what's really going on. Again, if so he isn't talking. In a
recent Science Fiction survey, Clarke estimates that contact with
extraterrestrial intelligent life would not occur before the 21st
Century.

If the government won't tell us the truth and the major networks won't
even give it serious consideration, then what is the big picture,
anyway? Are the EBE's, having done a hundred thousand or more
abductions (possibly millions worldwide), built an untold number of
secret underground bases (Groom Lake, Nevada; Sunspot, Datil, Roswell,
and Pine Town, New Mexico, just to name a few) getting ready to return
to wherever they came from? Or, form the obvious preparations are we to
assume that they are getting ready for a big move? Or is the more
sinister and most probable situation that the invasion is essentially
complete and it is all over but the screaming?

A well planned invasion of Earth for it's resources and benefits would
not begin with mass landings of ray-gun equipped aliens. A properly
planned and executed invasion by a civilization thousands and probably
hundreds of thousands of years in advance of us would most likely be
complete before even a handful of people, say 12?, realized what was
happening. No fuss, no muss. The best advice I can give you is this:
Next time you see a flying saucer and are awed by its obvious display of
technology and gorgeous lights of pure color - RUN LIKE HELL!

[boycotteverything]

"And so, my fellow Americans, let me define for you the state of our nation in these trying times. At the risk of seeming formulaic I would humbly say here, for the record, that the dream that is America can be summed up in just two short, but profound, words: 'boinka, boinka.' Thank you and good night." John Lear address to Congress, July 4, 2008.

[Silver Star]

About one year ago, in an attempt to rekindle my interest in UFO's (which waned about 10 years back), I purchased a computer and internet access in order to see what was new in the world of ufology. I was surprised by how much water had passed under the bridge since my hiatus from the subject and, to be honest, more than a little daunted at the prospect of having to catch up with the latest theories etc.

That's my excuse if my questions come across as being naive or idiotic Mr Lear. :)

Anyway! Recently I blew the dust off of one of my UFO books, 'Beyond Top Secret' by Timothy Good, and there is a part in it that may be pertinent to the topic at hand: According to a certain Mr Maurice Chatelain (a communications specialist at NASA), Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin were watched by alien spacecraft as they took their historic first steps on the moon!

The story was confirmed by soviet scientist Dr Vladimir Azhazha:
"Neil Armstrong relayed the message to mission control that two large, mysterious objects were watching them after having landed near the moon module. But his message was never heard by the public - because NASA censored it."

Furthermore, Mr Chatelain claimed that "all Apollo and Gemini flights were followed, both at a distance and sometimes also quite closely, by space vehicles of extraterrestrial origin".

Timothy Good goes on to imply (although he makes it clear he is only speculating) that the extraterrestrial vehicles were attempting to 'warn off' the astronauts and NASA from making any further exploration of the moon.

Do you think that this could tie in with the civilization on the moon theory? Or are these people mentioned above a bunch of fruitcakes?

[Trauma Teased]

Order in the teapot! Order in the Teapot!

Before we get too far along in this latest insane incarnation of the moon foodfight I'd like to clear a few things up. .

I tried to be polite, you know.

:p

[boycotteverything]

You were very polite, dear.

[Trauma Teased]

You were very polite, dear.

I will overlook the "dear" thing, hahaha! But only because I adore you, you patronizing man.

[boycotteverything]

About one year ago, in an attempt to rekindle my interest in UFO's (which waned about 10 years back), I purchased a computer and internet access in order to see what was new in the world of ufolo... blah blah blah... .
From johnlear Wall o' Type: A properly
planned and executed invasion by a civilization thousands and probably
hundreds of thousands of years in advance of us would most likely be
complete before even a handful of people, say 12?, realized what was
happening.

[Lexion]

Tim Good is a fruitcake.

Next.

[boycotteverything]

a fruitcake? how do you figure?

[Lexion]

The nuts.

Geez, never had a fruitcake ?

[boycotteverything]

I've had fruitcake and I've also read Tim Good (which I'd guess you haven't.) He's no fruitcake.

[MrPenny]

[B] So no, MrPeePee, johnlear's stay here will be as long as he chooses regardless of your petulant and irrelevant little demands.

Just trying to make him feel at home......geez....you'd think I was needlessly aggressive or something.

Which reminds me....I need to check the blogs and see how much outrage I've stirred up from Snow Flake.

[boycotteverything]

that project is meeting with some success. hahahahahaha

[Lexion]

I've had fruitcake and I've also read Tim Good (which I'd guess you haven't.) He's no fruitcake.

I have.

Again, you under-estimate me.

I just don't accept his words as Gospel.

Good reads, though.

Then again, so are Cremo and Hancock.

[johnlear]

BE told us he died.


Then there is a God?

[Lexion]

John.

Really ?

He was a person, no matter how badly
ya'll disagreed.

[johnlear]

God, I've missed you.

Should we get a room? :)

[Lexion]

Still working on the house ?

How are the grandkids ?

[Trauma Teased]

Then there is a God?

Yeah, this time I won't bother to be polite. Fuck you, asshole. I love Chorlton.

Now answer my question about the almost-humans on the moon.

[johnlear]

John.

Really ?

He was a person, no matter how badly
ya'll disagreed.


Yes. Thats what I mean. He was a person so god took him to help him out in a place where he could apply his talents in a more productive manner. Like watering the flowers in heaven..stuff like that. :)

[johnlear]

Yeah, this time I won't bother to be polite. Fuck you, asshole. I love Chorlton.

Now answer my question about the almost-humans on the moon.


You won't bother to be polite?

Coulda fooled me. :)

[BE2]

hahahahah Jesus. Chorlton is alive and well. It was a figure of speech that got out of hand.

[Lexion]

Like a one-eyed dog ?

[Trauma Teased]

Like a one-eyed dog ?

Chorlton is having a great time at the moment, good for him!

[Trauma Teased]

You won't bother to be polite?

Coulda fooled me. :)

Regarding fooling people....

How about those 2 billion almost-humans on the moon? Are you ever gonna answer my question?

[Lexion]

They run the Soul-Catcher.

duh

[johnlear]

Hi there John, good to see your back . . . . hip hip hooray ;) :D


Thanks lala. :)

[BE2]

Lala's stamp of approval. The Kiwi should be lurking around here somewhere too.

[Martian Exile]

hahahahah Jesus. Chorlton is alive and well. It was a figure of speech that got out of hand.

Oh you naughty boy, I was actually quite sad when you told me he croaked. And Skunk and I have been fighting like cats over it ever since.

Sorry John false alarm. My bad. (But he no longer shows his head around here.)

[johnlear]

I know! And I guess you are having a whole lot of fun posting about the moon and "NAZA" and stuff, aren't you?

Ecstacy without the pill.


Now about those 2 billion people (well, almost people, since they only look almost like us) living on the moon. I want to have some fun too, so I would very much like to know excactly how you came to that estimated number?

Comparing the population of earth/size of earth vs. the size of the moon/poopulation of the moon and the number of cities on the near side/far side and the number of visible mining operations on the moon both near side and far side.


And do they all live on the far side of the moon,

No. About half live on the near side.


since no amateur astronomer with a really good telescope, and there are many of them around the world, has ever seen or photographed any signs of this almost-people civilisation?

OK, first first lets start with what you mean by an amateur 'really good telescope'. Would that be an 8", 10"|, 12" 16" or 21"? Consider the resolution of Mt. Palomar of whose tens of thousands of pictures of the moon we are not allowed to see save about 5 blurry examples released to the media. Same goes for Mt. Wilson and other government operated/funded telescopes. Do you think the 200 inch Mt. Palomar telescope could resolve people walking on the sidewalks to McMoonalds for lunch? :)

[MrPenny]

Do you think the 200 inch Mt. Palomar telescope could resolve people walking on the sidewalks to McMoonalds for lunch? :)

It's not big enough.

[Martian Exile]

It's not big enough.

It's too big, the moon would produce so much light it would damage the optics, or so I'm told.

[Trauma Teased]

Do you think the 200 inch Mt. Palomar telescope could resolve people walking on the sidewalks to McMoonalds for lunch? :)

Heh, one question and you have already gone overboard. I thought you would at least pretend to believe some of your own crap.

Boring.

[johnlear]

It's too big, the moon would produce so much light it would damage the optics, or so I'm told.


Thats what they have filters for.

[Martian Exile]

Thats what they have filters for.

Silly me.

[Martian Exile]

Just in case you mis this in the other thread John:



It was an A-26 ME

Oops!

But I just got a smashing idea! We could get you back into Wikipedia by noting that an A-26 was flown in the open at Reno by you.

[MrPenny]

It's too big, the moon would produce so much light it would damage the optics, or so I'm told.

I looked into this years ago......when people first started asking John this exact question....

It has to do with the smallest possible point or object that a telescope can resolve at a given distance....the math behind it is dense and most sites get into extremely technical discussion...but, most of what I've found indicates that it would actually require a much larger telescope to resolve any man-made size objects on the Moon. Something on the size of a baseball stadium.

A purely optical telescope doesn't care how much light is admitted......

[MrPenny]

an A-26 was flown in the open at Reno by you.

I just remembered this.....what are the odds that Lear's A26 saw any action in Korea? Why do I ask? My father was an aircraft mechanic for an A26 squadron in Korea.

[johnlear]

About one year ago, in an attempt to rekindle my interest in UFO's (which waned about 10 years back), I purchased a computer and internet access in order to see what was new in the world of ufology. I was surprised by how much water had passed under the bridge since my hiatus from the subject and, to be honest, more than a little daunted at the prospect of having to catch up with the latest theories etc.

That's my excuse if my questions come across as being naive or idiotic Mr Lear. :)

Anyway! Recently I blew the dust off of one of my UFO books, 'Beyond Top Secret' by Timothy Good, and there is a part in it that may be pertinent to the topic at hand: According to a certain Mr Maurice Chatelain (a communications specialist at NASA), Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin were watched by alien spacecraft as they took their historic first steps on the moon!

The story was confirmed by soviet scientist Dr Vladimir Azhazha:
"Neil Armstrong relayed the message to mission control that two large, mysterious objects were watching them after having landed near the moon module. But his message was never heard by the public - because NASA censored it."

Furthermore, Mr Chatelain claimed that "all Apollo and Gemini flights were followed, both at a distance and sometimes also quite closely, by space vehicles of extraterrestrial origin".

Timothy Good goes on to imply (although he makes it clear he is only speculating) that the extraterrestrial vehicles were attempting to 'warn off' the astronauts and NASA from making any further exploration of the moon.

Do you think that this could tie in with the civilization on the moon theory? Or are these people mentioned above a bunch of fruitcakes?


No. No Apollo astronaut ever went to the moon, or orbited the moon, or landed on the moon. It was a gigantic hoax to use the $50 billion to build, launch and operate the 24 platform constellation of weaponized satellites. Yes, the astronauts lied, but probably unwilllingly. Once they realized what was going on they 'went along to get along'. Except Gus. And they murdured him in a gruesome way as a message to the others. Which was well taken and heeded.

[Pam]

So how did these people on the moon now get there?

[Trauma Teased]

Once they realized what was going on they 'went along to get along'.

Sure they did.

And then the almost-people who lives on the moon put up those fake Lunar Module descend stages at the different fake Apollo landing sites, and they also laid out some equipment here and there to make it look like the astronauts had done some seismic experiments and stuff, and also put up those mirrors which were used to bounce back laser beams for decades, and they also made footprints on the fake landing sites so that the LROC could take pics of them decades later!

[johnlear]

So how did these people on the moon now get there?

The same way WE got here.

The moon was built in the bowels of Jupiter 11 billion years ago. Give or take. :)

The earth is much older.

[KIWI]

hey John ..... long time between drinks :D .... I wont ask where you been ,.. coz I know you would have just finished pissing yourself laughing over the Chinese spacewalk, after you got done with the JAXA circus, .... and of course we now have curry on the menu! ,.... bet that shit plays havoc with the SS plumbing system, where to start? ... spoilt for choice huh? .....

SgfW__C5zdI

[century]

h2Cb_GL3PKs

[Silver Star]

No. No Apollo astronaut ever went to the moon, or orbited the moon, or landed on the moon.

I've found that investigating one area within the field of Ufology invariably opens up a can-of worms and before you know it you are skipping off on so many tangents that you forget what the original question was. Thanks for the reply, I'll have a look into the weaponized satellite platforms - it's a new one on me.

While I'm at it, what's your take on the reason behind NASA's moon bombing mission, LCROSS, back in 2009? The one where they hoped to send up plumes of water vapour (and which failed miserably).

2963

[johnlear]

Sure they did.

And then the almost-people who lives on the moon put up those fake Lunar Module descend stages at the different fake Apollo landing sites, and they also laid out some equipment here and there to make it look like the astronauts had done some seismic experiments and stuff, and also put up those mirrors which were used to bounce back laser beams for decades, and they also made footprints on the fake landing sites so that the LROC could take pics of them decades later!

I have seen no pictures of any US equipment left on the moon by any Apollo mission.
Maybe you could post a few?

A laser beam is 3 1/2 miles in diameter when it reaches the moon so a little reflector the
size of a pillow is not likely to reflect as much as a nearby mountain. :)

Footprints? Of course. Surely those couldn't have been faked. Of course we have to figure
out what anatomic contortions Neil would have gone through to direct his Hasselblad directly down. :)

[Snow Crash]

Konichiwa Lear-san

Have you any thoughts regarding the alleged nuclear tests in northern Germany during the war and the idea that the Nazis used WMD against the Soviets at Sevastapol?

[Trauma Teased]

I have seen no pictures of any US equipment left on the moon by any Apollo mission.
Maybe you could post a few?



Apollo 17 landing site, several images here, amazingly enough the new LROC images shows that the LM descend stage is excactly where it is supposed to be, the equipment left behind is presicely where it should be, also the astronautts' footprints, everything match the decades old photos taken by the Apollo astronauts and the traverse maps:
http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/news/?archives/137-Exploring-the-Apollo-17-Site.html

So, the mirrors on the moon were useless, eh? Could just as well have pointed the laser at a mountain with high albedo, right? Wow, both the American and Russian scientists must have been complete idiots, then, since both nations placed mirrors there. Too bad they didn't have your uber special knowledge and insight to rely on.

[johnlear]

Konichiwa Lear-san

Have you any thoughts regarding the alleged nuclear tests in northern Germany during the war and the idea that the Nazis used WMD against the Soviets at Sevastapol?


The Germans could produce plutonium which we could not. So they traded us the plutonium in return for being allowed into the US after (and before) the war.
(Paperclip)

Don't know anything about Sevastapol but they certainly had the technology.

[KIWI]

Rochard Dolan just "liked" my comment on his thread .... my "alien-celebrity-sycophancy" nodule has been "sated" .... adios suckers!!! hahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahahahahahah :(

[johnlear]

Apollo 17 landing site, several images here, amazingly enough the new LROC images shows that the LM descend stage is excactly where it is supposed to be, the equipment left behind is presicely where it should be, also the astronautts' footprints, everything match the decades old photos taken by the Apollo astronauts and the traverse maps:
http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/news/?archives/137-Exploring-the-Apollo-17-Site.html

So, the mirrors on the moon were useless, eh? Could just as well have pointed the laser at a mountain with high albedo, right? Wow, both the American and Russian scientists must have been complete idiots, then, since both nations placed mirrors there. Too bad they didn't have your uber special knowledge and insight to rely on.

Ha Ha! Actually there were 5 official Apollo landing spots. So this is the real one for the fake Apollo mission?

'Both Missions' never went either time. We have been allies with the Ruskies since before WWII. We coordinated the 'ColdWar' hoax together.
Why do you think that Russia is in charge of the ISS? Oh they're not? My bad. So what are the 2 Vostoks that get
there (every shuttle mission) 2 days before the Shuttle used for? To take the trash out? :)

[BE2]

Rochard Dolan just "liked" my comment on his thread .... my "alien-celebrity-sycophancy" nodule has been "sated" .... adios suckers!!! hahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahahahahahah :sad:I think Rich is more interested in your cute tush than your silly comments.

[johnlear]

h2Cb_GL3PKs

Ha Ha! Good one. Time for Lear Disclosure 2.1. :)

[century]

Hear is another classic...:)

u2MQuH50_Io

[Snow Crash]

The Germans could produce plutonium which we could not. So they traded us the plutonium in return for being allowed into the US after (and before) the war.
(Paperclip)

Don't know anything about Sevastapol but they certainly had the technology.

Yes I've heard about the plutonium. Are you familiar with Three Corners?

[Trauma Teased]

Ha Ha! Actually there were 5 official Apollo landing spots. So this is the real one for the fake Apollo mission?



Holy Thor, really, there were 5 different landing sites? Oh, GEE, I never knew that!

You wanted pics, I linked to you a LROC page with several new and old pics of the Apollo 17 landing site for you to look at. You want pics of all five landing sites, search for them yourself, Mr. Lear.

[johnlear]

Holy Thor, really, there were 5 different landing sites? Oh, GEE, I never knew that!

You wanted pics, I linked to you a LROC page with several new and old pics of the Apollo 17 landing site for you to look at. You want pics of all five landing sites, search for them yourself, Mr. Lear.


I guess you misunderstood. I plotted all 5. Give me a minute I will post a couple out of NAZA SP 242.

[Lexion]

Welcome back.

Welcome back, indeed.

[MrPenny]

I knew the combination of these two would be entertaining.

[century]

Buzz gets MAD (punches the mofo) at about 6:55min.......I really dont care for Bible thumping but this is classic also.

-JP1-ddKuLs

[johnlear]

This is page 86 from NAZA SP246 (my bad, not 242) Lunar Photographs From (alleged) Apollos 8, 10 and 11.

Do you see any discrepenies here? No?

Let me post a few more. :)


http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1769/landingas11375447et.jpg (http://img146.imageshack.us/i/landingas11375447et.jpg/)
Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)

[Trauma Teased]

This is page 86 from NAZA SP246 (my bad, not 242) Lunar Photographs From (alleged) Apollos 8, 10 and 11.

Do you see any discrepenies here? No?

Let me post a few more. :)




Sure, those two pics look weird. What is the source for them? Is this from a book? Can I find these pics on the net?

Please state the real source, not your childish "NAZA SP246".

[johnlear]

Sure, those two pics look weird. What is the source for them? Is this from a book? Can I find these pics on the net?

Please state the real source, not your childish "NAZA SP246".


Are you kidding? Ever hear of google?

[century]

Look at the letters and numbers under the pics trauma, and type those in your search engine.

[Trauma Teased]

Found the two images on Apollo Lunar Surface Journal, AS11-37-5447 and 5448: This is what the two images show, bold text by me.
AS11-37-5447 (OF300) ( 195k (http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/AS11-37-5447.jpg) or 1559k (http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/AS11-37-5447HR.jpg) )

Command Module over western Sea of Tranquility. Crater Moltke is at the upper left. North is to the right. This view also includes the Apollo 11 landing site, which is just above and to the left of Columbia. Research by Danny Caes. As indicated in a labeled version (http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/A11LBL5447.jpg) by Markus Mehring, the Apollo 11 landing site is at the center of the photo, NNW of the CSM and ESE of the Cat's Paw landmark. The sharp-rimmed crater at the lower left edge is Moltke. Hypatia Rille (also known as U.S. 1) extends through the top left corner of the image. The crater directly to the right of the CSM has been named Collins following the Apollo 11 mission. The crater Aldrin is in the top right corner of this image. The third crater named in honor of the Apollo 11 crew, Armstrong, would be to the lower right of this photo and cannot be seen here. During the Apollo 11 mission, the craters Armstrong, Aldrin and Collins were still referred to as Sabine E, D and B respectively, with Sabine C being the crater that forms a triangle with B and D in this photo. Scan courtesy NASA Johnson.
AS11-37-5448 (OF300) ( 238k (http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/AS11-37-5448.jpg) or 1708k (http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/AS11-37-5448HR.jpg) )

CSM separation sequence. The CSM can be seen near the center of the image, with the sharp-rimmed crater Schmidt directly right of it. The crater part in the lower right corner is the western part of Sabine, and the partially visible rim at the right edge of the image belongs to Ritter. This is the last photo taken from the LM prior to the powered descent, and eventually the landing one orbit later.
At this link you can see larger and also hi res versions of both pictures. Edit to add: click "image library" in left menu, then scroll down and click "magazine 37", there you will find the pics:

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11.html

Both pictures were taken before the first moon landing. There is nothing on the lunar surface except moon dust and rocks.

Oh, and perhaps some almost-humans hiding behinds some of the rocks.

[mojo]

WB John.

:)

[Trauma Teased]

Are you kidding? Ever hear of google?

Ever heard of linking to sources whenever possible and in any case stating the names of them correctly?

Oh wait, my bad, you are John Lear..... I forgot that facts and truth don't mean much to you.

[johnlear]

Ever heard of linking to sources whenever possible and in any case stating the names of them correctly?

Oh wait, my bad, you are John Lear..... I forgot that facts and truth don't mean much to you.


Thats MR. Head Kook to you TT. :)

[Pam]

Mr. HK..... can you tell me what they are doing up there on the moon right now?

[Trauma Teased]

Thats MR. Head Kook to you TT. :)


What does "MR" mean? I'm Norwegian....

[Pam]

What does "MR" mean? I'm Norwegian....

Hahahahaha TT it means Mister (Mr.) he used a capital R though ;)

[Dog Fish Boy]

Brigham Young taught that the moon was inhabited by dour, industrious humans who dressed like Quakers...which I guess means like the dude on the Quaker Oats box...

[Trauma Teased]

Hahahahaha TT it means Mister (Mr.) he used a capital R though ;)

Haha, thanks, I struggle sometimes with all those abbravations...

:D

[mojo]

Haha, thanks, I struggle sometimes with all those abbravations...

:D

CHAFM

[Trauma Teased]

CHAFM

You bastard, hahahaha!

Urban Dictionary, here I come again....

Sigh.





Yeah, no entries.... Damn you, monkey man!!!!

[mojo]

You bastard, hahahaha!

Urban Dictionary, here I come again....

Sigh.





Yeah, no entries.... Damn you, monkey man!!!!


hahahaha......come here and fuck me (chafm)

its not in there coz i made it up. :mojo:

:p

[johnlear]

Found the two images on Apollo Lunar Surface Journal, AS11-37-5447 and 5448: This is what the two images show, bold text by me.
AS11-37-5447 (OF300) ( 195k (http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/AS11-37-5447.jpg) or 1559k (http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/AS11-37-5447HR.jpg) )

Command Module over western Sea of Tranquility. Crater Moltke is at the upper left. North is to the right. This view also includes the Apollo 11 landing site, which is just above and to the left of Columbia. Research by Danny Caes. As indicated in a labeled version (http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/A11LBL5447.jpg) by Markus Mehring, the Apollo 11 landing site is at the center of the photo, NNW of the CSM and ESE of the Cat's Paw landmark. The sharp-rimmed crater at the lower left edge is Moltke. Hypatia Rille (also known as U.S. 1) extends through the top left corner of the image. The crater directly to the right of the CSM has been named Collins following the Apollo 11 mission. The crater Aldrin is in the top right corner of this image. The third crater named in honor of the Apollo 11 crew, Armstrong, would be to the lower right of this photo and cannot be seen here. During the Apollo 11 mission, the craters Armstrong, Aldrin and Collins were still referred to as Sabine E, D and B respectively, with Sabine C being the crater that forms a triangle with B and D in this photo. Scan courtesy NASA Johnson.
AS11-37-5448 (OF300) ( 238k (http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/AS11-37-5448.jpg) or 1708k (http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/AS11-37-5448HR.jpg) )

CSM separation sequence. The CSM can be seen near the center of the image, with the sharp-rimmed crater Schmidt directly right of it. The crater part in the lower right corner is the western part of Sabine, and the partially visible rim at the right edge of the image belongs to Ritter. This is the last photo taken from the LM prior to the powered descent, and eventually the landing one orbit later.
At this link you can see larger and also hi res versions of both pictures. Edit to add: click "image library" in left menu, then scroll down and click "magazine 37", there you will find the pics:

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11.html

Both pictures were taken before the first moon landing. There is nothing on the lunar surface except moon dust and rocks.

Oh, and perhaps some almost-humans hiding behinds some of the rocks.


Yes, you are correct. I was reading 'Command Service Module' for 'Lunar Lander. My bad. Thanks for the correction. :)

[Pam]

Yes, you are correct. I was reading 'Command Service Module' for 'Lunar Lander. My bad. Thanks for the correction. :)

Oh No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That is going to go to her head!!

You agreed that she was right, we will NEVER hear the end of this ;)

[johnlear]

Mr. HK..... can you tell me what they are doing up there on the moon right now?

Same thing we are doing. Waking up in the morning (no, not 13 days of sleep). Having breakfast. Watching the news.
Driving to work. Work all day with a lunch break. Driving home. Having dinner. Watching TV. Going to bed. But the food is
much, much better and so is the TV. The TV has news from all over the solar system: whats going on on Uranus, the new
developments on Saturn. And then they have a guy much like Andy Rooney who tells jokes about earth. At least thats what
I think they do. :)

[johnlear]

Oh No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That is going to go to her head!!

You agreed that she was right, we will NEVER hear the end of this ;)


What does she look like? Is she dateable? Like would I
be wasting my time buying her dinner? :)

[Pam]

What does she look like? Is she dateable? Like would I
be wasting my time buying her dinner? :)

Hahahahahahaha.... I haven't seen her picture but maybe BE has? From what I hear she is hot, blonde and long fit legs that could strangle you!

[Martian Exile]

Hey TT, you naughty hot headed Skandahoovian Blond, check out this quote!


"This is a conspiracy forum and no evidence is required. If you have evidence you are welcome to take it to a science forum and submit it to peer review."

[BE2]

That pretty well sums it up from my perspective. To enjoy the subject at hand a certain degree of suspension of skeptical bias and an embrace of highly strange possibility is required. Once that's accomplished your ticket is punched for a trip to an alternate reality that can be both rewarding and fun. Letting go of the mundane only hurts for a minute or two. Of course some of us are incapable of this freeing transformation. And that is unfortunate.

[Martian Exile]

Once that's accomplished your ticket is punched for a trip to an alternate reality that can be both rewarding and fun. Letting go of the mundane only hurts for a minute or two. Of course some of us are incapable of this freeing transformation. And that is unfortunate

Perhaps it is time for me to repeat something lost in the great crash, I believe in the Loc Ness Monster, because it is FUN to believe in the Loc Ness Monster.

[BE2]

And so do I.

[BE2]

I remember the little twinge of joy and excitement I felt when the Artbell tag was recited by the announcer at the beginning of every show: "Wanna take a ride?" And that's the reason I asked johnlear to rejoin us here.

[mur]

That pretty well sums it up from my perspective. To enjoy the subject at hand a certain degree of suspension of skeptical bias and an embrace of highly strange possibility is required. Once that's accomplished your ticket is punched for a trip to an alternate reality that can be both rewarding and fun. Letting go of the mundane only hurts for a minute or two. Of course some of us are incapable of this freeing transformation. And that is unfortunate.


Posts like this are why I like you

You have potential...because you see the potential in those around you, and you're not afraid to share.

Good Qualities

[Martian Exile]

Had Lear not been here I would never have found or joined this nut house.

[KIWI]

Had Lear not been here I would never have found or joined this nut house.

was my original reason for coming here also ME ..... but as he dont got the manners to reply to my greeting then off I shall fuck and leave him to it ... c'mon Tonto,.. lets ride! aiaaiaiaiiaiaiaiaiaiaiaiaiaiaiaia!!!! ;)

[theeindiee]

Sorry to intrrupt, but I've been meaning to say something:

YAY JOHN LEAR IS BACK!!!

[GinAndTonic]

That pretty well sums it up from my perspective. To enjoy the subject at hand a certain degree of suspension of skeptical bias and an embrace of highly strange possibility is required. Once that's accomplished your ticket is punched for a trip to an alternate reality that can be both rewarding and fun. Letting go of the mundane only hurts for a minute or two. Of course some of us are incapable of this freeing transformation. And that is unfortunate.

well, for me that's a bit of a cop-out ... and in fact it's trying to prove something that makes it fun - otherwise this forum would cease to exist

I mean why does John Lear roll out reams of images and documents to support his conspiracy theory if we're just supposed to accept it on face value and proof doesn't matter ? That would reduce it to the level of religions, Santa Clause and the tooth fairy and the debate would just grind a halt.

The fact that there is not a shred of evidence that "billions" of "people" live on the moon is neither here nor there, and doesn't stop people believing it anyway

[Trauma Teased]

That pretty well sums it up from my perspective. To enjoy the subject at hand a certain degree of suspension of skeptical bias and an embrace of highly strange possibility is required. Once that's accomplished your ticket is punched for a trip to an alternate reality that can be both rewarding and fun. Letting go of the mundane only hurts for a minute or two. Of course some of us are incapable of this freeing transformation. And that is unfortunate.

There is nothing unfortunate about finding the truth. If a "freeing transformation" means holding on to myths, lies, misrepresentations and BS in general, then it's a "freedom" that can kiss my ass.

[BE2]

'The truth?' What exactly is that? It's only human frailty that even requires such an illusion it to start with. Truth is always in flux- a goal rather than an acquisition. And there are many paths to choose from. Even reason can not get us there because it fails, by its own definition, to penetrate the Absurd. And no degree of anger or tugging of forelocks will solve that conundrum. Taken as a principle- that is the very description of the human condition. So relax and enjoy the sound and fury. Resistance will only get you gas.

Best regards.

The Cartoonsyndicate

General Striker,
Chairman of the Board

[Trauma Teased]

'The truth?' What exactly is that? It's only human frailty that even requires such an illusion it to start with. Truth is always in flux- a goal rather than an acquisition. And there are many paths to choose from. Even reason can not get us there because it fails, by its own definition, to penetrate the Absurd. And no degree of anger or tugging of forelocks will solve that conundrum. Taken as a principle- that is the very description of the human condition. So relax and enjoy the sound and fury. Resistance will only get you gas.

Best regards.

The Cartoonsyndicate

General Striker,
Chairman of the Board

Facts are facts. Simple.

The "absurd" can kiss my ass too. Reality is more than interesting and enjoyable enough for me.

Best regards,
reality oriented, but still completely gas free and relaxed TT.

:D

[BE2]

The Absurd doesn't kiss ass (as far as I know.) It is the matrix within which reason is allowed to exist. It's the answer to that nagging question- 'What was before the Big Bang?' Now even though such contemplations don't serve to place food on the table they are still the most interesting meditations of all. Humanity ought to elevate its standards of enquiry in order to acquire a truly interesting existence. Anything less is an exercise in trivial futility. And while you can aver that 'Reality is more than interesting and enjoyable enough for me' that in itself fails to examine the nature of reality and therefore fails to partake in it. It's quite alright to be involved in 'little things' but we also acknowledge that little things do not reality make. They just keep us busy and safe.

[Trauma Teased]

And while you can aver that 'Reality is more than interesting and enjoyable enough for me' that in itself fails to examine the nature of reality and therefore fails to partake in it. It's quite alright to be involved in 'little things' but we also acknowledge that little things do not reality make. They just keep us busy and safe.

Science and space exploration, you know, all the "little" and "trivial" stuff those "busy and safe" scientists spend their trivial lives doing, contribute far more to finding the true nature of our universe than sitting on your ass contemplating and dreaming about the "absurd" will ever do.

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“Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.” Al Einstein

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"And what should be the fruition of your mind? To be a little pleasure for your God- to be an exquisite trinket for Her hair." Afterburn

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“Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.” Al Einstein


Imagination is good. Ideas are good. Einstein may have stolen some of his, but they were still good. Excellent stuff! Space exploration was also just an idea a few decades ago. Now we are out there, making new discoveries and learning all the time. It's fantastic!

Because some trivial, little people actually did something with the idea, and wasn't happy with just dreaming and contemplating the "absurd".

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I'll side with Einstein. Imagination is more powerful than will.