Freemasons are NOT evil!

[Kacen]

I'm sick and tired of so-called "patriotic" religious fundamentalist conspiracy theorists demonizing Freemasons when in reality the U.S.A. was founded on freemasonry. The thread below helps tell of my point, the show on the History Channel yesterday.

Many of the U.S. founding fathers were Freemasons. George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and especially Benjamin Franklin.

The Back of the Great Seal of the United States has no hidden agenda in it.


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Annuit Coeptis = He [Higher Power] Favors our Undertaking

Novus Ordo Seclorum - New Order of the Ages [Meaning a new order without religious law and where the people rule - we were the first [western?]country to do that.]

The pyramid has 13 steps for 13 original colonies. It is unfinished meaning that the United States is not yet finished.

The Eye of Providence floating above the unfinished pyramid was meant to represent a generic higher power, not the Christian God or any specific god, but a generic higher power like the freemasons believe in, The Great Architect of the Universe. This was to exemplify how the USA was founded with freedom of religion for all and not under a specific religious theocracy.

The Roman numerals are 1776, of course, the date the United States was founded.

Coincidently on May 1st, 1776 the Bavarian Illuminati was founded, a group in Bavaria, Germany that had Freemason members (due to having similar beliefs) but was not run by Freemasons. The group's intentions were to overthrow theocracy and the religious rule of the Catholic church and to enlighten the people of Europe. They and the Freemasons strongly influenced the enlightenment and freed people from religious theocracy.

Quite the coincidence since this group had practically the same beliefs as the U.S.A.'s founding fathers.

While the eye in a triangle by itself is an official symbol of Freemasonry, it combined with the pyramid is not; it is a uniquely American symbol.

Freemasons are a group that promotes tolerance between all religions. There is nothing sinister about them. So people saying this country was founded on Christianity are wrong. It was founded to be free from Christian/Religious law.

[Boondock]

i think i watched the same program on history channel...

was it mysteries of the freemasons?

[mojo]

Yeah im not into the whole "freemasons are evil" thing.
Like any organization there are bound to be good and bad people.
Its only when all the bad people are at the top of the pyramid that i think there would be cause for alarm.
The freemasons do a lot of good charitable work from what i know of their organization.

[Tetsujin]

Kacen you just made me a vaery happy person! Its such a breath of fresh air to hear someone is looking at us Masons for what we are realy are! Although Thomas Jefferson was never a known brother Mason. I would give a applause, but thats at another site lol

[Kacen]

Oh, well, Jefferson was a Deist and held alot of ties with Freemasons.

And I'm actually related to John Adams/John Quincy Adams on my mother's side (not Jefferson like I thought I got mixed up).


...and John Quincy Adams was a member of the anti-Masonic party. *cough* So umm awkward.

[Bitchkoma]

Its such a breath of fresh air to hear someone is looking at us Masons for what we are realy are!

You're a Mason? No wonder I feel compelled to give you shit :shock:

[Tetsujin]

Oh! Your the person who said they where a Jefferson decendent! Adams eh, looks like a storm on the horizon! lol

[johnlear]

I'm sick and tired of so-called "patriotic" religious fundamentalist conspiracy theorists demonizing Freemasons when in reality the U.S.A. was founded on freemasonry. The thread below helps tell of my point, the show on the History Channel yesterday.

Many of the U.S. founding fathers were Freemasons. George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and especially Benjamin Franklin.

The Back of the Great Seal of the United States has no hidden agenda in it.

Novus Ordo Seclorum - New Order of the Ages [Meaning a new order without religious law and where the people rule - we were the first [western?]country to do that.]

The pyramid has 13 steps for 13 original colonies. It is unfinished meaning that the United States is not yet finished.

The Eye of Providence floating above the unfinished pyramid was meant to represent a generic higher power, not the Christian God or any specific god, but a generic higher power like the freemasons believe in, The Great Architect of the Universe. This was to exemplify how the USA was founded with freedom of religion for all and not under a specific religious theocracy.

The Roman numerals are 1776, of course, the date the United States was founded.

Coincidently on May 1st, 1776 the Bavarian Illuminati was founded, a group in Bavaria, Germany that had Freemason members (due to having similar beliefs) but was not run by Freemasons. The group's intentions were to overthrow theocracy and the religious rule of the Catholic church and to enlighten the people of Europe. They and the Freemasons strongly influenced the enlightenment and freed people from religious theocracy.

Quite the coincidence since this group had practically the same beliefs as the U.S.A.'s founding fathers.

While the eye in a triangle by itself is an official symbol of Freemasonry, it combined with the pyramid is not; it is a uniquely American symbol.

Freemasons are a group that promotes tolerance between all religions. There is nothing sinister about them. So people saying this country was founded on Christianity are wrong. It was founded to be free from Christian/Religious law.[/color]


Nice propagandist post Kacen, I see that rubbish all of the time on various forums and also on TV.

Of course Freemasonry stands for a lot of good things and also does a lot of good things. But thats just the curtain behind which is the real agenda.

The real agenda is summed up in this book:

“Dark Mission; the Secret History of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration� by Richard C. Hoagland and Mike Bara. Copyright 2007 Richard C. Hoagland and Mike Bara. ISBN 978-1-932595-26-0.

And with which I agree.

Their conclusion is that the original and continuing core of NASA, who they identify as ‘Freemasons, SS (Nazis) and magicians’, and who they call “ritual elitists�, have ‘literally stolen the entire space program for themselves from the rest of all Mankind’. They go on to say that “Space� is destined to ‘remain the sole possession of only those with (these) proper bloodlines and perspectives’…but not for any of the rest of us.

That’s the real agenda of Freemasonry. NASA is just the car they are riding in. :)

[Alessandra]

Maybe this is mainly a self-defence reply (on my side here), but...
I actually agree with kacen.
I'm sick and tired of so-called "patriotic" religious fundamentalist conspiracy theorists demonizing Freemasons when in reality the U.S.A. was founded on freemasonry.

Sorry Mr. Lear, but...well, maybe it's just me trying to defend my family, but, I can't stand people dissing Freemasonry. My friends in RL who also visit (certain other websites), start hounding me (jokingly for the most part though), and now one of my good friends thinks I'm going to be related to the antichrist. FFS man. My whole family's been in Masonry, dare I say, even before we were in the US (Scotland). It's just a personal thing. All the mason's Ive ever met were the kindest people.

/sigh. Sorry about that rant, I'm just a little fed up with all the hate.

[gunner]

I have to agree also, to a point. My family from way back has been freemasons, and none of them were anything but loving hard working family men. I havent joined the freemasons, it was something I struggled with, it is a family tradition but it will have to die with me. Not for reasons that I think they are evil, but I do not agree with secret societies in a free society.

All that being said, I dont know if they are in cahoots with evil in the top ranks. I find everyday how much I dont know, and hiding behind a curtain of good honest hard working giving people is pretty good cover. I dont agree with all the BS that people say about freemasons, my step moms family found out he was a freemason and said, oh no honey you cant marry him. Dont you know that in order to be a freemason you have to kill a member of your family? Stuff like that is what pisses me off, however speculating on the possiblities that there could be a conspiracy high up, doesnt bother me. It is unknown what goes on high up, in a secret society that is the way it works, and that comes back to my reason for not joining.

Some theories are plausible, some are ridiculous, even though this is one I dont want to think involves evil. There are just too many unknowns to say anything is for sure one way or the other.

[johnlear]

Sorry Mr. Lear, but...well, maybe it's just me trying to defend my family, but, I can't stand people dissing Freemasonry.

All the mason's Ive ever met were the kindest people.

/sigh. Sorry about that rant, I'm just a little fed up with all the hate.



Thanks for the post Chirru. Some of my best friends are Freemasons and I previously acknowledged the good that Freemasonry does around the world.

But please don't confuse that with what I believe to be their agenda.

My opinion on the agenda of Freemasonry is an opinion, an acknowledgment.

Please do not confuse that with hate. I have no room in my life for either envy, hate or greed. Its too full of truth for those. :)

[Kacen]

And if this agenda were true, then why is it bad?

[Kacen]

‘Freemasons, SS (Nazis) and magicians’

Nazi's killed Freemasons in the Holocaust.

And, umm, Magicians?

[johnlear]

‘Freemasons, SS (Nazis) and magicians’

Nazi's killed Freemasons in the Holocaust.


Another fabricated 'myth' like the 6 million Jews. Its called sympathy management. Oh, those poor, poor Freemasons.



And, umm, Magicians?


Yeah, magicians. Like those that made you think a Boeing 767 really crashed into the World Trade Center.

I'll bet you really think that happened don't you? Go on, admit it. :)

[johnlear]

And if this agenda were true, then why is it bad?


You may have misunderstood the agenda. The agenda is outlined in "Dark Mission":



Their (Hoagland, Bara) conclusion is that the original and continuing core of NASA, who they identify as ‘Freemasons, SS (Nazis) and magicians’, and who they call “ritual elitists�, have ‘literally stolen the entire space program for themselves from the rest of all Mankind’. They go on to say that “Space� is destined to ‘remain the sole possession of only those with (these) proper bloodlines and perspectives’…but not for any of the rest of us.

[Alessandra]

Another fabricated 'myth' like the 6 million Jews. Its called sympathy management. Oh, those poor, poor Freemasons.


i'm a broke ex-jobs daughter. does that count?
:lol:

anyway...
I haven't been able to read the Hoagie book yet, so I am unsure of what 'agenda' you are referring to.
I'm sorry if I refered to your post as 'hateful'. Just a little bit of anger on my part due to other websites.
;) you are indeed entitled to your opinions. Strange opinions, but opinions nevertheless (btw I enjoyed reading your threads).

:)

[johnlear]

i'm a broke ex-jobs daughter. does that count?
:lol:

Depends. Send a picture.



so I am unsure of what 'agenda' you are referring to.


I don't know how to put it any clearer. Try this:

The Masonic Agenda is to steal the knowledge of everything that is in our solar system and everything outside of our solar system for themselves, the 'Ritual Elite'.

All knowledge about the Moon, Venus, Mars, Saturn, Jupiter, Neptune, Uranus and all the other planets including their satellite/moons. All knowledge about the people who inhabitat those planets and satellites and all techonology developed from that knowledge.

Further to insure that “Space� is destined to ‘remain the sole possession of only those with (Masonic) proper bloodlines and perspectives’…but not for any of the rest of us.


you are indeed entitled to your opinions.

Thats good to know. I was getting a little worried there. :)

[Kacen]

Oh, Holocaust denier? Your automatically uncool now. I know people who died in it.

[BlaBla]

Oh, Holocaust denier? Your automatically uncool now. I know people who died in it.


I would love to know how you got to know people who actually got killed.

[JiveTurkey]

Oh, Holocaust denier? Your automatically uncool now. I know people who died in it.


Why is one uncool for denying the holocaust?


I happen to VERY much disagree with the way certain jews USE (yes, USE) the holocaust to their advantage.


What about the gypsies?
The handicapped?


I happen to believe that the Jews that profit from the holocaust DISHONOR the memories of their ancestors far more than even the skinheads.


jasn

[dk3000]

Yes they are evil- but to a lessor degree. Like Scientology, they rise up through the ranks before they are hit with all the insanity- by that level the initiations they had to get through to reach each level secures blackmail, threat of loss of life and worse.

Don't kid yourselves- all secret societies are evil- that's why they are a secret Ssssssh!


What people need to know is that Freemasons and Scientologists hit conspiracy sites all the time trying to portray a different image- this is because they do not know about the crazy shit until the highest levels are achieved. I know many former Scientologists and a few former freemasons. The two gentlemen I know from Freemasonry have moved out of the country. They were high up and got the fuck out of the country because that is how afraid they were.

People do not pack up and move their entire families to get away from lovely, happy, spiritual people. They flee from evil! :cry:

[ChadAndrewAmKon]

All religious-organizations (especially freemasons & other mystery religions), which shill for worldly governments & promote "world religion" are very evil. Porch masons are either conspirators or completely ignorant of the fact that their masters are high-degree freemasons, who do services for lucifer & other false-idols, such as Molech.

They pretend to favor all religions & they try to convince the world that all religions are good, as long as they're supported by "believers" in "God". Even ex-freemasons admit that freemasonry is an occult.

Find "Baal-God" (pronounced "Gawd") & "Baal-Gawd" too, online. See what type of people worship the "Lord of Fortune". Every infamous mass-murderer & junta worships Baal-God, in some way or another.

[mojo]

Hey now, don't be dissin' Baal, if ever i were to believe in "a God" Baal would be my first choice.
I suggest reading up on the Ugarit text's.
There are many similarities between Baal and Yahweh, not the least of which is they shared the same wife, Asherah.
The Israelite elite priests demonised many of the older Gods in their conspiracy to control the masses and because of their jealousy and envy of the other older religions.
It was too difficult for them to control the populace who worshipped many different God's and so they began supplanting them one by one, taking the good roles for Yahweh and leaving the worst for the others.
There is some suggestion, due to the similarities, that Baal and Yahweh are one and the same.
Either way, the belief in the one true God, Yahweh, is a complete fabrication of the Church and before that the ancient priests.

The same can be said for Lucifer who's lineage is equally as interesting, but thats for another thread. ;)

www.theology.edu (http://www.theology.edu/ugarbib.htm)


The prophets of the Old Testament rail against Baal, Asherah and various other gods on nearly every page. The reason for this is simple to understand; the people of Israel worshipped these gods along with, and sometimes instead of, Yahweh, the God of Israel. This Biblical denunciation of these Canaanite gods received a fresh face when the Ugaritic texts were discovered, for at Ugarit these were the very gods that were worshipped.


Besides the chief god at Ugarit there were also lesser gods, demons, and goddesses. The most important of these lesser gods were Baal (familiar to all readers of the Bible), Asherah (also familiar to readers of the Bible), Yam (the god of the sea) and Mot (the god of death). What is of great interest here is that Yam is the Hebrew word for sea and Mot is the Hebrew word for death! Is this because the Hebrews also adopted these Canaanite ideas as well? Most likely they did.
One of the most interesting of these lesser deities, Asherah, plays a very important role in the Old Testament. There she is called the wife of Baal; but she is also known as the consort of Yahweh! That is, among some Yahwists, Ahserah is Yahweh’s female counterpart! Inscriptions found at Kuntillet ‘Ajrud (dated between 850 and 750 BCE) say:



As had already been mentioned, one of the more important lesser deities at Ugarit was Baal. Baal is described as the “rider on the clouds” in KTU 1.3 II 40. Interestingly enough, this description is also used of Yahweh in Psalm 68:5.
In the Old Testament Baal is named 58 times in the singular and 18 times in the plural. The prophets protested constantly against the love affair the Israelites had with Baal (cf. Hosea 2:19, for example). The reason Israel was so attracted to Baal was that, first of all, some Israelites viewed Yahweh as a God of the desert and so when they arrived in Canaan they thought it only proper to adopt Baal, the god of fertility. As the old saying goes, “whose land, his god”. For these Israelites Yahweh was useful in the desert but not much help in the land.


You are merely reinforcing a Mainstream Church stereotype by demonising Baal, which makes you complicit with the very people you claim to despise.


mojo. :)