It's Everyone's Favorite Ninja!

[DaMajikNinja]

DaMajikNinja from ATS reporting for duty.

I have been freshly booted off the island, and need a new posting home.

Tip o' the hat to familiar faces and new ones as well.

-Ninja OUT

[Tetsujin]

Whats up my Ninja buddy! Great to have ya abord! Now get out there and post till ya cant post no more!

[Delorean]

Dama, i like your avvie :D

Nice home here btw :)

[Bitchkoma]

Woah! What the hell happened, dude? You were such a fine upstanding member there. Your post history (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/misc.php?action=nsearch&page=1&srchtxt=&srchuname=damajikninja&srchfid=all&srchfrom=0&searchsubmit=set) tells me nothing. (yeah, there's still a way to search, I don't understand what's the big deal with that [post] button drama). Had a fight with them over "U2U" like the Major?

[Yo Mama]

Holy shit! WTF did they say YOU did?

I was MM by the way. I got a promotion when I came here. :lol:

Well, welcome aboard, me hearty. This place roxors!

[Alessandra]

DMN <3 Sup? :D

[Boondock]

what it is man

[Firestar]

Ninja? You got banned? NO FREAKIN WAY.
WTF?
Iam AccessDenied over yonder.
Welcome to Amkon...
A piece of advice...You will have to remove the logo from your avatar Ninja.

[Alessandra]

whats with ats using the banhammer with extreme prejudice lately?

[Yo Mama]

No shit. Talk about turning one's back on the backbone of the site.

Next thing you know, they'll be banning Tom Bedlam.

[mojo]

Hey ninja, its awesome to have you here, but im absolutely stunned that you've been banned from elsewhere.
wtf is going on?

[Djarums]

Which bannings that you know the reason for are you referring to?

I assume when you say banning with prejudice or turning our backs on the backbone of the site that means you are aware of why some people were banned.

As I said earlier I'm always interested in setting records straight.

[zysin5]

Hey whats up man!!! Nice to have you aboard!

[DaMajikNinja]

Hey ninja, its awesome to have you here, but im absolutely stunned that you've been banned from elsewhere.
wtf is going on?
Well... the circumstances do not really allow me to talk much about it without giving away ATS business secrets... which I do not want to do, just out of hope that I can be reinstated once Springer reads the email I sent him and realizes that it was no big deal. And of course, it appears we have ATS mods over here, too, so I think it's best if I stay mum on the details.

Not to mention that it's just un-ethical to give away secrets. Of course, that's what ATS thinks I did, but of course I can't really explain my defense without giving away the secrets to all of you guys, so I'm just screwed. However, I am NOT in a non-disclosure agreement with ATS over any of the information I am privy to, even though I asked about it. So legally, I can say whatever I want. I just don't intend to, to be clear.

I am wondering whether or not ATS will proceed with my idea even after banning me... I will be asking Alaska Bar Counsel about intellectual property law today - just to keep my bases covered. I absolutely do not want to be aggressive, I just want to be ready if the ban is upheld, and they progress with my idea without credit and/or compensation of some sort.

So yeah, hopefully Springer will read the email I sent yesterday morning and start a dialogue with me. So far there hasn't been one - I just showed up to the site the other day, read two angry U2Us from Mark, and realized I was post/U2U banned. I left to go run my errands for the day and contemplate wtf just happened. When I returned home a few hours later - I was completely banned and totally unable to access anything on the site.

I really hate that this has gone down like this - those of you that know me from ATS should be able to vouch for the fact that I am/was a pretty dedicated member. I did everything I could for the past year to help improve the site and add great content. I truly regret the recent turn of events.

[Djarums]

Refreshing to see someone honestly address their issue instead of the hysterical posts that seem to have taken over some people.

Instead of always jumping to conclusions based on your own anger (which there is help available for) it might be better to listen to what actually happens.

In this particular case this is something that everyone hopes can be worked out... everyone except some above posters who tread the border between humor and depravity.

Is creating animosity where there is none a hobby?

Anyways, here's hoping things work out.

[Firestar]

Ninja, it's really none of our business what is going on with you and ATS..and it does not need to be discussed openly. I do hope it works out for you though.I left a comment on your profile....you are a very well respected and much loved member.
Enough said.
thank you for changing the avatar as I requested...now POST LIKE THERE IS NO TOMORROW!
Firestar

[mojo]

Refreshing to see someone honestly address their issue instead of the hysterical posts that seem to have taken over some people.

Instead of always jumping to conclusions based on your own anger (which there is help available for) it might be better to listen to what actually happens.

In this particular case this is something that everyone hopes can be worked out... everyone except some above posters who tread the border between humor and depravity.

Is creating animosity where there is none a hobby?

Anyways, here's hoping things work out.

Djarums, i'm certainly not hysterical or creating animosity (i hope) in the slightest i just find it strange that in the past 2 months it seems to me that some very good contributors/members at ats have been banned, maybe its just coincidence that i happen to know them all.
I still dont understand the reasoning behind some of the bannings, maybe thats why there is so much discussion about it.?

Anyways glad your here ninja, i also hope you can sort out your differences with ats and enjoy what both of these sites have to offer. :D

[Yo Mama]

I didn't create the animosity. It was created for me when I was banned for some mysterious reason not having to do with the T&C.

And, hey! THIS site doesn't squash free speech. So if we want to talk about bannings and speculate on why they happened -- well, we have the right to here.

I saw how my banning was handled after the fact, and how it was covered up and intimations of things that didn't happen were thrown out there.

So, in all seriousness, I wouldn't trust ANYTHING coming from staff over there, and hell yeah, I'm mad about it.

[Kacen]

The staff at ATS are a bunch of Stalinists. They ban you without really any warning, or at least they leave it vague. And once banned they never respond to you. And they never announce the banning of any of their members.

People don't find out until later...

[Bitchkoma]

FYI our Ninja has been reinstated. Hopefully that doesn't mean he won't be posting here anymore.

[mojo]

FYI our Ninja has been reinstated. Hopefully that doesn't mean he won't be posting here anymore.

Hmmmm.

LOL

[vckums]

Welcome Ninja!

[quote="Djarums"]Refreshing to see someone honestly address their issue instead of the hysterical posts that seem to have taken over some people. quote]

You get banned and not told a reason why, no response to questions asked and they can't get on the site to ask why and yet you expect people to not get mad over it and then YOU get snippy about it on HERE? Someones sounding a bit pompous.

You've made 8 posts, all in introductions but you want to be a member here. I smell the stink of BS.

[Djarums]

You can feel free to smell whatever you'd like.

I'm going to feel free to say whatever I like.

I can't imagine that you'd be asking for me to be silenced on a site that complains about ATS silencing people.

The irony is beautiful.

Oh and Stalinist? Wow... Usually we're just called Nazis. That's a new one.

Funny how I came here to try and set things straight for people who were upset about things and instead I wind up getting questioned, called names, and suspected of whatever certain self important people think I'm doing.

Freedom! Glorious freedom! (Unless you don't fit into the group of people pissed off at ATS in which case you can go drop dead)

Cool!

I should note that Jasn has been nothing but classy about my signing up here. Some others are uh, well I'm not a professional so I'll leave that to someone else, but some of you need to relax and lay off the attacks.

[mojo]

I'm going to feel free to say whatever I like.



You can, and you just did. :D

And it wont be deleted closed or edited. :)

[Djarums]

Oh and mojo, I think it was pretty clear who I was talking about when I mentioned hysteria etc.

It was plainly someone other than you.

[mojo]

No worries Djarums, i dont have an axe to grind, i'm just paranoid i guess, why else would i belong to conspiracy websites. :D
I know its difficult for you to see but i can understand the angst some of the ex members are feeling.
No foul! Play on.

mojo

[vckums]

Yep you get to say what you like, and so does everyone else. You may not like that people are talking about why they got banned or have hard feelings for it. Oh and the snippy remark about there's help for that, nice. Maybe you should take your own adivce and get some help, a bar of soap would work nicely.

And Mojo, you ROCK!

[JiveTurkey]

Refreshing to see someone honestly address their issue instead of the hysterical posts that seem to have taken over some people.

Instead of always jumping to conclusions based on your own anger (which there is help available for) it might be better to listen to what actually happens.

In this particular case this is something that everyone hopes can be worked out... everyone except some above posters who tread the border between humor and depravity.

Is creating animosity where there is none a hobby?

Anyways, here's hoping things work out.



I would like to remind you that you aren't at ATS.

So far, things have gone very smoothly here with the members getting along exceptionally and actually respecting one another.


As you can tell, you have not been "silenced" and will not be as long as you can drop the "ATS business as usual" attitude.

If you have a problem with the ways things are done here, stop with the not-so-subtle insults and get whatever you need to off you chest.

As vckums pointed out, you have made very few posts here and only in the introductions forum. While I understand that you are trying to "set records straight", you can do so without being an ass.

I understand that you may have a hard time with a sense of "digital community" coming from ATS but, seeing as how you seem to have at least a medium level of intelligence, the concept shouldn't be TOO hard for you to grasp.

If your only interest is belittling the membership of AmKon, please do us a favor and fuck off. If not, please prove it by dropping your ATS mod mentality and actually becoming a MEMBER of the community.



Thanks,
Jasn

[Boondock]

If your only interest is belittling the membership of AmKon, please do us a favor and fuck off.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/rod3678/slap.gif

[JiveTurkey]

If your only interest is belittling the membership of AmKon, please do us a favor and fuck off.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/rod3678/slap.gif


Ya silly zappa lover you!

[Djarums]

Funny that you should say that.

My comments were regarding damajickninja's issue, where YOUR members immediately started on the attack and I said I hoped that all parties would work things out.

The difference being your members were happier when they had a fellow who they could claim was unjustly banned. I don't know why.

This has been a very interesting experiment.

I intended to come aboard here and minimize hostilities and instead I realized that some people are simply hostile, period.

Clearly I will not be able to accomplish what I wanted to and therefore further time spent here is wasted. I have no interest in wasting my time or yours and so I'll take my leave of you now.

I didn't register here to shoot the breeze as I told you in a u2u last night I registered in the hope that civil discourse would be possible and baseless animosity between communities could be lessened.

Instead I was met with immediate suspicion from MM (or whatever you go by now), name calling by Kacen (who I could've sworn I always got along with) and a pretty heavy case of plain ole fashioned "I don't like you" from vckums (who I don't even know).

That doesn't fit what I was here to do, so that's all for me.

Those of you who are still on ATS, I'll see y'all over there. Those of you who aren't, perhaps one day things will change. At this stage of the game I guess the wounds are too fresh.

Take care!

[Boondock]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/rod3678/gayspidey8wq8do.gif

[mojo]

I for one am sorry it has come to that Djarums, but be that as it may some people feel that they were unfairly banned, thats the plain and simple truth.
You know over the course of two years that ive been a member at ats even though your on an anonymouus online community you make some good friends.
Personally over the past 2 months or so 5 people that i thought of as friends at ats have been banned. I know very little about why and perhaps i shouldnt, but surely you can see how a small group of people who are friends suddenly find themselves ostracised without any way of contacting their friends might feel?
Though you may not want to admit it ATS is not completely blameless in all this, nothing of this nature is very rarely one way.
Anyway, take care, if you do hang around long enough to read this. :)

mojo.




(btw TPM, lol)

[Boondock]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/rod3678/smacked.gif

[mojo]

Damn those gif's.

:clown:

[JiveTurkey]

Funny that you should say that.

My comments were regarding damajickninja's issue, where YOUR members immediately started on the attack and I said I hoped that all parties would work things out.

The difference being your members were happier when they had a fellow who they could claim was unjustly banned. I don't know why.

This has been a very interesting experiment.

I intended to come aboard here and minimize hostilities and instead I realized that some people are simply hostile, period.

Clearly I will not be able to accomplish what I wanted to and therefore further time spent here is wasted. I have no interest in wasting my time or yours and so I'll take my leave of you now.

I didn't register here to shoot the breeze as I told you in a u2u last night I registered in the hope that civil discourse would be possible and baseless animosity between communities could be lessened.

Instead I was met with immediate suspicion from MM (or whatever you go by now), name calling by Kacen (who I could've sworn I always got along with) and a pretty heavy case of plain ole fashioned "I don't like you" from vckums (who I don't even know).

That doesn't fit what I was here to do, so that's all for me.

Those of you who are still on ATS, I'll see y'all over there. Those of you who aren't, perhaps one day things will change. At this stage of the game I guess the wounds are too fresh.

Take care!


I have no problem with you attempting to curb hostilities. However, it can be done without suggesting someone get "help".

A few of the members here are pissed with ATS for VERY legitimate reasons.

I would hope that it's understandable for someone to be irked after losing something they cared for for little or no reason.

As I explained in my PM, my anger that points in the direction of ATS is very focused. That being what it is, I have absolutely no problem with ATS or any member of the staff that doesn't go by SkepticOverlord.

If you will notice, most of the people here that are pissed aren't pissed at ATS but at particular members of the staff who belittled them or banned them either for no good reason or AFTER they attempted to resolve an issue via U2U.

While I told you that I am more than willing to give you the benefit of the doubt as to your reasons here, I must side with the membership as I have experienced all of the things that they "bitch" about.

It's frustrating when you devote so much of your time to a "community" only to be kicked to the curb because you stepped on the wrong toes.

Many of us actually BELIEVED the bullshit about "denying ignorance" and, as a result, felt that no one would have a problem with us addressing certain "issues".

Imagine our surprise when speaking our minds got us nailed with the ban stick.

Personally, I feel that stepping back, knowing what ATS could be and then seeing what it IS was a bit of an overwhelming experience that left many of us jaded.




Anyhow, at least you are free to attempt to "explain" here. Over there it just gets you banned.


Jasn


By the way, I hope you noticed that "fuck off" was only one option and not a suggestion or command.

I wouldn't mind in the least if you stuck around and became a member of the community. However, insulting those that ARE contributing members is a fairly large "no-no".

[Boondock]

Damn those gif's.

:clown:

i love em

[JiveTurkey]

Damn those gif's.

:clown:

i love em


Ya don't say...


:mrgreen:

[mojo]

However, insulting those that ARE contributing members is a fairly large "no-no".

doe's that mean we have to stop giving the Seal shit?

[JiveTurkey]

However, insulting those that ARE contributing members is a fairly large "no-no".

doe's that mean we have to stop giving the Seal shit?


the bitch wouldn't feel at home without the insults.


C'mon mojo, you know that. :)



Jasn

[mojo]

LOL, yeah i should know that.

Love the new avvy, do you know what it is of?
It looks like maybe something from greek mythology.

[Yo Mama]

Instead I was met with immediate suspicion from MM (or whatever you go by now),

My suspicion is justified.

'Nuff said.

[vckums]

Funny that you should say that.
This has been a very interesting experiment.

I intended to come aboard here and minimize hostilities and instead I realized that some people are simply hostile, period.

Clearly I will not be able to accomplish what I wanted to and therefore further time spent here is wasted. I have no interest in wasting my time or yours and so I'll take my leave of you now.

I didn't register here to shoot the breeze as I told you in a u2u last night I registered in the hope that civil discourse would be possible and baseless animosity between communities could be lessened.



So you didn't join to be a member of the site. You just wanted to add your 2 cents in when you felt like taking some stabs at people. You join a forum to become a member, to contribute and make the site grow.

As for me saying what I did, I saw the little jabs you made in your spiels and smelled the BS and called you on it.I don't know you, you're right, but I also don't know many of the people here and yet I don't get the smell of BS from them. They seem down to earth, open and friendly.
Jasn's been awesome with the site and getting feedback from the members. Funny I don't remember that on the other site. This is what will make the site successful, the members input counts and is respected regardless if they are mods or simply like me. If Jasn puts a donate button on the site I sure as hell know I'd be sending some money his way.

[JiveTurkey]

Funny that you should say that.
This has been a very interesting experiment.

I intended to come aboard here and minimize hostilities and instead I realized that some people are simply hostile, period.

Clearly I will not be able to accomplish what I wanted to and therefore further time spent here is wasted. I have no interest in wasting my time or yours and so I'll take my leave of you now.

I didn't register here to shoot the breeze as I told you in a u2u last night I registered in the hope that civil discourse would be possible and baseless animosity between communities could be lessened.



So you didn't join to be a member of the site. You just wanted to add your 2 cents in when you felt like taking some stabs at people. You join a forum to become a member, to contribute and make the site grow.

As for me saying what I did, I saw the little jabs you made in your spiels and smelled the BS and called you on it.I don't know you, you're right, but I also don't know many of the people here and yet I don't get the smell of BS from them. They seem down to earth, open and friendly.
Jasn's been awesome with the site and getting feedback from the members. Funny I don't remember that on the other site. This is what will make the site successful, the members input counts and is respected regardless if they are mods or simply like me. If Jasn puts a donate button on the site I sure as hell know I'd be sending some money his way.


Kind words are always appreciated. Thank you vckums.

[mojo]

, but I also don't know many of the people here and yet I don't get the smell of BS from them.


Phew, you haven't sussed me out yet.

:smokin:

[Bitchkoma]

doe's that mean we have to stop giving the Seal shit?

I thought I was the one giving people shit... :?

[DaMajikNinja]

LOL So, I went downtown last night to see a couple boxing matches (which was really cool BTW), and I don't think any of their padded blows could match what's happening here in this thread! Go easy on each other guys, we're all friends here!

The situation has been resolved, as far as I know. I haven't heard anything from staff, but I have been reinstated as a member. So I'm happy, I assume they are happy - we should all be happy! :)

So lets just leave it at that, let everything go, and get back to being all peachy keen with one another! ;)

[mojo]

Hey ninja, glad they saw fit to reinstate you, you really are a valuable member of any community you would choose to be part of.
Hope you still decide to hang around here from time to time as well mate.
best of both worlds as it were.

see ya round, mojo.

[Antarizhu]

Hey , I enjoyed talking with you in the chat a while back, then you were GONE! I thought that maybe you just did not like our conversation? Hope not, you are a cool guy and I would love to get to know you better. Hope all is well for you up in the big cold spot.

[DaMajikNinja]

Yeah so... I STILL have not heard ANYTHING from ATS Staff or Management since I was banned.

Last I heard from the ATS was just before I got banned.

And then - POOF - I was able to log back in again to ATS.

I didn't get any notification that the ban was lifted... I just tried it one day and there it went.

I am still banned from chat. I have not been re-instated as a Fighter for Debates, or as Scholar for research.

I have been keeping my mouth shut about all of this - in hopes that things would straighten back out. But now I am starting to feel shunned, and worse, kicked out of my own project, based on my own idea and countless hours of research.

I can't help but think about the fact that I am NOT legally bound to keep any ATS secrets. And I'm starting to wonder why I would even try to keep secrets for ATS if I'm to be shunned.

So what do you guys think about all this? What the hell should I do next? Pursue further legal advice regarding the project that I started, and worked on, and have been booted from? Open my mouth and tell any one that will listen about my experience and the information that I am privy to?

I'm just a bit steamed I guess.

[Yo Mama]

I'd say seek legal advice.

I think it's pretty fucked up how they treat people over there.

[mojo]

Sorry to ear that ninja but not completely surprised.
Honestly i dont know what recourse you would have regarding internet rights.
Have you u2u'd admin to find out whats going on, that would be my first course of action if i were you.
I would also save any correspondance you have had or do have in the future regarding your project.
if you dont receive the answer you are hoping for after initiating contact i would do as GN suggests.

btw, the doors always open here.

good luck. :)

mojo

[DaMajikNinja]

yeah mojo - i sent an email directly to Springer right after I got banned. No word back yet.

And the only legal advice I would seek is regarding intellectual property law - to see if I have any legal ownership or entitlements to the idea i came up with and worked on. Of course, I am assuming that ATS is still moving on with my project. Hell I dunno - nobody talks to me anymore.

All of my U2Us, emails, etc are saved.

[mojo]

Hell I dunno - nobody talks to me anymore.



Well, earlier in this thread Djarums did suggest that things were being worked out for you.
Djarums is now a site admin so i guess you could try dealing with him/her.
If you dont get a reply then i guess that was all just hot air for our benefit.

I dont really have much in the way of advice other than that, sorry mate. I do hope it works out for you though.
It may be difficult to prove intellectual property on the internet i would think, though im no expert.

Let us know how you go, maybe someone else can help. :)

mojo

[Antarizhu]

Keep u2uing and email them if you have it. Talk to all the Amigos and it would be better than trying through MODs who are trying to keep their asses off the line too. Best luck to this situation keep us informed.

[Bitchkoma]

yeah mojo - i sent an email directly to Springer right after I got banned. No word back yet.


I bet you'll get a response soon enough, now that you've expressed a bit of dissatisfaction here :lol:

They like to monitor people bitching about them on other sites :D

[mojo]

They like to monitor people bitching about them on other sites :D

Its just like having your very own Big Brother.
Gives ya a nice fuzzy feelin' inside dont it. :)

[JiveTurkey]

yeah mojo - i sent an email directly to Springer right after I got banned. No word back yet.

And the only legal advice I would seek is regarding intellectual property law - to see if I have any legal ownership or entitlements to the idea i came up with and worked on. Of course, I am assuming that ATS is still moving on with my project. Hell I dunno - nobody talks to me anymore.

All of my U2Us, emails, etc are saved.


Yes, you have intellectual property rights as long as you have proof.


I'm sure plenty would vouch for you.


As far as advice goes, don't bother with Bill or Mark.

Perhaps you can try Simon?



Best of luck to ya amigo


J

[DaMajikNinja]

Jasn, I do have all of my U2Us and emails saved, and yes, there are plenty of people that were there for the creation of the idea that would vouch for me. I was in constant communication with Mark up until the banning, and I have record of all of it.

My question is, what do I need to do in order to legally prove the idea is mine? Cuz if I don't hear from any of them very soon and this keeps hanging out there, I'll have to give them a "cease and desist" on that project -or- ask for royalties.

It should be mentioned that since I am out of contact now, I do not know for SURE if they are still moving forward with this idea. Also, I should point out that I do not wish to be aggressive with them. However, if I am still ignored after my next round of communiques, things will certainly become bitter.

In any event, this Ninja is @ AMKON.

[JiveTurkey]

In any event, this Ninja is @ AMKON.


AmKon's glad to have ya.



As far as the legal stuff goes, I'm not really sure.

You could probably handle the law side pretty cheaply (such as a legal cease and desist) through legalzoom.com


In the agreements over there, you are basically agreeing that your posts and such can be reproduced by ATS, BUT, you are not agreeing to their profiting from your intellectual property.


Naturally, they will claim they aren't doing so.

However, PROFIT is all they care about.

If they go ahead with ANY idea, you can bet that the profitability of it was the first thing on their minds.



Wish I could be more help.


J

[mojo]

Best of luck to ya amigo


J

Was that intentional jasn. :lol:


@ninja, you've always shown yourself to be an impeccable member at the other site.
Some of the members here have had major issues with ats BUT
none of us i'm sure would begrudge you sorting out your probs
with them and still being more than welcome here mate.

good luck with it. i still think your best bet would be in contacting
Djarums after his short sojourn with us here. :)

keepin' it real, monkey boy.

[Lexion]

The situation has been resolved, as far as I know. I haven't heard anything from staff, but I have been reinstated as a member.

Not resolved, as I read it.

You mentioned a lawyer,
they re-instated your
posting priveledges.

I call bullshit.

Put Bill to the wheel.

Make him grovel.

Regards,
Lex

[DaMajikNinja]

Hmmm... seems my password was changed over at ATS within the past few hours...


...AND I WASN'T THE ONE WHO DID IT.

Strange... 8)

Anyways, the password recovery tool worked for me, so I'm back in there now... but I'm a little weirded out that my password would have been reset by someone...

[DaMajikNinja]

UPDATE: It JUST happened again... but this time the password recovery tool isnt working...

Can anyone look to see if I still exist in the member list?

EDIT: There's no doubt that somebody over there at ATS is trying to keep me out of the site, without having to let the other members know that they are trying to shush me. (my account still shows up as "Member" - and with a capital 'M' this time)

I mean, my password was suddenly invalid - and i used the "forgot your passwrd" thing to restore it - posted here about the situation - and then a few minutes later, my password is invalid AGAIN... and this time, the "forgot my password" tool says that I have entered incorrect information and won't allow me to reset.

Soo... I believe that someone is reading this board, and keeping me locked out of ATS.

I have been so nice and patient about this whole thing - keeping their secrets and hoping for a resoultion - and now look what happens.

To whomever it is that is deceptively locking me out of ATS: you suck ass & should be ashamed of yourselves.

[Yo Mama]

If I could, I would, but I can't access the site at all.

[DaMajikNinja]

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii139/damajikninja/lockout.png

So here you go - just to prove what I'm saying.

What you see is the email I got from the "forgot your password" tool, which proves that entering the username "damajikninja" with the email "damajikninja@comcast.net" WAS successful and matched the info I had on record, and that they did send me a new password.

Right next to that email, you see where the "forgot my password" ting is now rejecting the exact same information.

Wow, some people go out of their way to stomp on others.

[vckums]

I sent you a PM

[JiveTurkey]

I know, FOR A FACT, that Bill is fond of reading other users' u2us.


That being what it is, he is the likely culprit in your password dilemma.



The way things work over there baffle me.

Not because they are complicated but because they are so fucking childish.


I'm amazed they turn any sort of profit.


J

[DaMajikNinja]

Well, I did finally get an email back from Springer from ATS today. Interesting that he jumped on the ball so quickly after the last round of posts in this thread... especially considering the LOOONG break in communication since this all started.

Oh, and he made sure to include a clause in his email barring me from reproducing or discussing its content without his express permission.

Seems operating in shadowy secrecy is the name of the game. I think they are trying to keep me as quiet as possible. How childish. :wink:

Anyways, as you all know - I have not made ANY legal threats to ATS. I have explored my rights, but there's nothing threatening about that. Besides, I haven't had any communication with them since it all started anyways. So hypotheticly, if they were ever to blame be of threatening them with lawsuits, that would be a lie.

I feel I have a right to be quite frustrated at this point. I really really wish I could discuss what Mark said in that email. They are doing their best to keep me from being able to tell anyone about this situation.

Everyone here should be aware (and probably already are) that ATS staff and management will leave the confines of their domain to track and monitor rouge members. ATS is starting to resemble the Bush Administration: appear as benign as possible, surveil as many people as possible, intercept as many internal and external communiques as possible, silence anyone that rubs them wrong, and use the ideas and research of others to their own ends without credit or compensation.

I really really wish ATS would have handles this differently. But instead, they chose to ban without any discussion, ignored emails, chose not to have staff contact me, made no requests/offerings, and monitored me elsewhere on the net. So I wouldn't understand it at all if ATS blamed me for everything, and took no responsibility for the fallout.

I have been very open to working this out. What have they done?

[Yo Mama]

Oh, so THAT's what I am. A rogue member.

Well, ex-member.

They really are starting to remind me of my ex -- control everything, take no blame, and make nice to the people who haven't crossed the invisible lines yet.

And I'm not too sure of the legality of your not being able to discuss an email someone sent you. YOU didn't sign a contract saying you wouldn't, did you?

He can say all he likes that he doesn't want you discussing something but unless you agree to it, I am not sure he has a leg to stand on.

[DaMajikNinja]

The following is my response. It should be noted that while Mark's email contents, address, and exact text are not to be reproduced without his express permission, I retain full right to reproduce my own words anywhere that I see fit, and freely discuss the issues and matters related to this communique publicly as the issues are pre-existing public knowledge. They don't own me. :)

Mark, (since I know you're here and reading this), I have complied with your wishes and have not reproduced any of your communication, content, or email address.


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How nice to hear from you after such a long hiatus.

I need to very quickly point out that I have NOT made any legal "threats" to you guys in any way. What I have stated is that I was pursuing legal advice. Also, I have repeatedly stated that I was hoping for a resolution to this situation, and have even tried to subdue the "ATS Bashing" that has occurred in those threads.

I also find it interesting that you guys snoop around on other forums to keep track of what ATS members are saying and doing in other places. Sure, you have every right to do so, but it sure does make ATS look like a "Big Brother". Matter of fact - ATS is starting to resemble the Bush Administration: appear as benign as possible, surveil as many people as possible, intercept as many internal and external communiques as possible, silence anyone that rubs you wrong, and use the ideas and research of others to your own ends without credit or compensation.

I do realize that the above comment is heavily opinionated and may be categorically false - but be aware of how things look from my end.

And what's wrong with looking like a big shot? I would argue that you and other ATS staffers do it all the time. But to continue that argument would no doubt result in petty bickering, and I think we are both ready to be done with that. But regardless, I had license to say whatever I felt like and more - and still do - since you never gave me the non-disclosure agreement that I suggested we enter into. So maybe you should have managed the situation better? It would have also helped if there had been some dialogue between ATS and me following the first banning. So do not feel that you can blame this entire ordeal squarely on me.

While you may have been busy lately, I don't understand why no one was able to contact me about all this. The ATS staff is big, and someone could have very easily contacted me to let me know whats going on. My frustration is to be expected. It is also interesting to note that my first communication with ATS (your email) and subsequent ban has occurred immediately after my last post in AMKON. Seems to me, you might have wanted to keep me away from my U2Us so that I could not prove my association and suggestion of this profitable idea. The footer in your email is also interesting... you have gone the extra mile to make sure no one can read your response to me. Why don't you want this conversation to be public knowledge? I'm sure ATSers would find it very interesting.

And you want to call me childish? I have been extremely courteous and reasonable through this entire ordeal, while YOU have flown off the handle in U2Us to me, and ignored any and all communication from me. I say ATS has handled this childishly. You took your toys (and mine), and went home, ignoring my appeals and communications, and monitoring my activities elsewhere on the internet which may even violate your own T&C/Privacy Policy.

So ultimately, [ATS] banned me due to threats I made? I made none. So what now? The reasons for [the] ban carry no merit. The bottom line here is, you don't want me to be able to say anything to your membership. You are mad at me, and want to squash me the best you can. You are childishly seeking to "be the winner" of a battle that shouldn't even exist.

I have not been your enemy or aggressor. I have actively sought resolution and understanding. What have you done, Mark?

In any event, thank you for finally sending something to me. I sincerely wish there was no need for me to be defensive, and this had all worked out differently. Maybe the next time this happens with another member you will take more ownership and responsibility in the matter to effect a resolution.

Cheers,

Brent

While your email is explicitly private and not to be reproduced, I retain the right to re-produce my own words from this communique however and wherever I see fit.
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And from another email i sent just after the above email:
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Oh, and while I may or may not have gotten the idea from places like SLOOH... where did YOU get the idea from, Mark?

[Tetsujin]

Wow so I had no idea that this stuff was still going on! Im kinda shocked, but then again not really. Great to see ya on here again Dama! A sad day indeed when ignorance is embraced..... :cry:

[Yo Mama]

Wow. My curiosity is burning double overtime, but your response was fair enough.

At least he replied to you after you were banned. i was just ignored. The "Nobody Home" sign was out and that's all she wrote.

[mojo]

after my lastpost in ths thread ninja you were still a member, have you since been banned.
Thats really sad if true.
I had a quick minor discussion with a member of ats staff the other day regarding bannings and a comment that was made. This is a direct quote from the ats thread about posting work written by others, plagiarism etc.


No member is banned without a thorough and careful review by several members of the senior staff.

If there's any doubt whatsoever, the member is not banned. Period


i have the utmost respect for majic and am sure that majic believe's that the above quote is the way things work.

So you have been banned because of something you said on another site that in the words of ats has a pitful 80 something members.
If its such a pitiful little site and beneath contempt for ats why the fuck are they monitoring our conversations.
if you could see me now i am laughing so fuckin' hard i have tears running down my face.
The hypocrisy of it all astounds me.

Whatever, your welcome here ninja, and your free to say what you will too.

peace man.

mojo

[DaMajikNinja]

Springer email me again - this time granting permission to post his emails in full. So here we go. There are some "full of shit" statements in there, but I will address those later today or tomorrow - I'm dealing with a bad switch at the office right now.

Enjoy. :)

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Mark's First Email
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Brent:

Sorry for the long delay in getting back to you about the online observatory program but I’ve been buried with other ATS business. As you know, we’re in the middle of a variety of projects and we have decided to put our energy into the projects that are closest to fruition before tackling any others. As a result of this, the online observatory is far down the list. That being said, Rob is continuing the research and planning, as he has been doing since the plan was initially suggested.

On a side note, I’d like to point out that we are aware of your threats of lawsuits and other such legal avenues regarding this project and, as a result of these threats, and the childish behavior described below, we’re no longer interested in doing any business with you. We tend to operate with like-minded individuals, all seeking the same goal and your impatience and litigious nature doesn’t mesh well with the type of people we like to work with. As I know you are aware, because you told me you got the idea from them, there are several online observatories in place on the internet and if you truly think the idea has been stolen, I strongly suggest you seek damages from them. How you feel we are obligated to you in any way for your unsolicited suggestion, after your gross breach of confidence is a mystery to me, I suggest you get some legal advice to clear up the confusion you seem to have. I have copied our lawyer, Scott Lavin, on this email for our records.

Had you been able to avoid trying to act like a “big shot” and repeatedly flaunting that you had “inside information” to the other members in chat and u2u’s and ultimately disclosing things I specifically asked you not to, all of this could have been avoided. You, Brent, brought this upon yourself nobody else. We have the chat logs with the dozens of bizarre “I have the inside scoop but can’t say anything” in the public chat room and we also have the logs of the “private chats” wherein you divulged details of the possible project to several members, which was directly against what you agreed to in the one conversation we had on the subject.

It’s not so much that I wanted to keep it quiet, although I did, it was the immature and strangely childish way in which you incessantly taunted your fellow members and tried to play ”the insider” that shocked and ultimately disgusted the senior staff, my partners and I. I’ve frankly never known a fully grown man to act so childishly. The Above Network, LLC takes pride in associating with mature, high caliber professionals who are able to execute and not brag about things that they are not deserving of in the first place. Your behavior was the precise opposite of that description.

http://mo-www.harvard.edu/MicroObservatory/

http://www.slooh.com/

Lastly, your accounts at www.abovetopsecret.com (http://www.abovetopsecret.com) have been banned as a result of the aforementioned threats.

Thank you for your understanding and good luck in all of your endeavors.

Best Regards,

Mark W. Allin

Chief Operating Officer

The Above Network, LLC

www.AboveTopSecret.com (http://www.AboveTopSecret.com)

www.TheAboveNetwork.com (http://www.TheAboveNetwork.com)


This email, its contents, and its distribution list are private communications intended solely for the consumption of the specified recipients. The sharing of the content of this message, any attachments, or the parties indicated in the distribution list is strictly forbidden without the prior permission of the author.


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Mark's Second Email
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Brent:

You have my written permission to post the email I sent you earlier today, 21 March, 2008 and this email, in their entirety only, that I sent you earlier today (I have a feeling you won’t though).

What in the world makes you think we have the time much less the desire to “snoop” (which is a curious term for reading a website) on people? lol We don’t have any concern with what people do off ATS. It’s NONE of our business. There are several members of AmKon who u2ued me asking about this and I told them the same thing. NO WORRIES.

We have members that use AmKon and they informed us of your “legal counsel” comments and the rest of the misrepresentation and half truths you put forth there. I did go read what you posted and I can’t help but wonder why you left out any mention of what you were doing that led to me dropping you from the project? Until I discovered you were hounding every member who would listen you and I had ZERO problems, it’s a maturity issue I guess, I don’t do business with people who act like that period.

If you don’t think what you’ve been writing on AmKon is a threat of legal action, ridiculous as it is, that’s fine, you are entitled to your opinion.

This statement right here : “And what's wrong with looking like a big shot?” is exactly why we wouldn’t do business with you, the absolutely false statement that follows it indicates your perception and it’s skewed IMO. None of our staff, management or any of my partners and certainly not I would ever try to “look like a Big Shot”, we find it childish and ludicrous.

It’s all about what you accomplish in this world Brent, not “what you look like”.

I’ll reiterate that I am at a loss as to why you think have anything coming to you should we decide to move forward with observatory. Rob has done all the work, to date, all you did was send a u2u asking me if I ever considered it.

I’ll tell you what, if I am wrong about that and you can show me your “research”, or any work you actually did, and you tell the WHOLE truth about this, I’ll reconsider. I am a fair person and if I am mistaken I will correct it and admit I was wrong.

By the way, I couldn’t care less if you talk about the project now, have at it, just be TRUTHFUL about it. So far you have not been.


Best Regards,


Mark W. Allin

Chief Operating Officer

The Above Network, LLC

www.AboveTopSecret.com (http://www.AboveTopSecret.com)

www.TheAboveNetwork.com (http://www.TheAboveNetwork.com)

This email, its contents, and its distribution list are private communications intended solely for the consumption of the specified recipients. The sharing of the content of this message, any attachments, or the parties indicated in the distribution list is strictly forbidden without the prior permission of the author.

[mojo]

I have played around with that micro-observatory, there good fun.


I have had a discussion with Djarums this morning ( aust time :) ) via u2u ninja ( instigated by a u2u from Djarums ), and my stance then as it is now is that if this were to occur in RL i would suggest all parties getting together over a beer and sitting down and sorting all this out like adults.
It seems to have passed that point now and this is the internet and that just ain't going to happen.
I also suggested that someone needs to decide to be the "bigger person" for this to be resolved.
From Mark's emails it seems that they have decided to sever ties with you and move on.
As far as i can determine its a "he said, she said", not sure that i can objectively add any more to the issue without actually having been privy to what has occured.

I do hope there's a reasonable outcome for you dama', from all of our previous contact at ATS you never came across to me as being a "know it all" or "childish", in fact you seem to be well respected by most members.

good luck mate, mojo.



btw, i think those footers in emails are fairly standard requirement for business emails these days, all of my business correspondance has a similar footer in it.

[vckums]

Dammit now im banned LMAO It's ok tho, was for a good cause!

[mojo]

Dammit now im banned LMAO It's ok tho, was for a good cause!

what the hell did you get banned for?

[JiveTurkey]

I am quite baffled at how someone who stoops to telling John Lear to enjoy his "new audience of a whopping 85 people" feels they have a right to call ANYONE childish.

It's a pity that Mark and Bill feel the need to act the way that they do.




Mark (since I KNOW you read this, even if you say you don't), Brent asked if he needed to seek legal advice in regards to intellectual property.

I have not witnessed him threatening any lawsuits on AmKon.


Perhaps you and Bill both would benefit from learning to read and comprehend what is written instead of just what you CHOOSE to see.


You, Mark, are free to jump on board here and discuss the situation if you so choose.

I'm sure no one would mind.


However, to say that certain members aren't "punished" in any way for being members of "competing sites" (Not meaning AmKon since we aren't really anything like ATS.) is an outright lie.

There are members on GLP and Conspiracy Central who have been verbally destroyed and banned from ATS for nothing more than making a simple statement in regards to the levels of "free speech" between boards/sites.



Perhaps it would do you some good to open your eyes and realize that half of ATS' mods are quite fond of reproducing posts in COSMIC via u2u to members that they see as friends.

I received, on 6 seperate occasions, copies of replies in the "secret" forum via u2u and email in regards to discussions regarding me and some things I did and did not say.

As a result, I find your statements to the effect of no "decisions being made" without absolutely certainty and a general consensus to be little more than a steaming pile of bullshit.



As far as the situation with Ninja goes, I honestly don't know even HALF of the picture. However, I'm more inclined to side with him for the simple fact that he is experiencing the EXACT SAME sort of treatment that many of us experienced.


It's a damn shame that people that view themselves as business visionaries feel the need to resort to some of the tactics the staff of The Above Network resort to on a near constant basis.


Thusfar, Brent has been FAR from childish here at AmKon when discussing his current dilemma with ATS.

That is far more than can be said for you and ESPECIALLY Bill.



"Oh yea, well what about what you said about me in your podcast???"


haha


I would have answered had I not caught the ban immediately following the question.


And let's not forget the CONSTANT hiding of the facts from the general ATS populace via near immediate thread deletions and bannings.

Of course, all they gotta do to rectify the problem is "drop it and we'll pretend this never happened in the public forums" right?


Jasn

[JiveTurkey]

Dammit now im banned LMAO It's ok tho, was for a good cause!


WTF?

Why??

[vckums]

LOL No worries, I let NInja use my ID to log in there.

[Yo Mama]

Well how in hell did they find out about it? :lol:

Fucking net nazis.

[Bitchkoma]

So you have been banned because of something you said on another site that in the words of ats has a pitful 80 something members.

MANA ADA 80?? Yang lain tu semuanya "bot", tahu tak? Sini ada segelintir sahaja yang sebenarnya manusia betul. Lain-lain boleh isap kotey aku. Hah!

Berkenaan dengan topik ini, rasa-rasanya website yang satu lagi tu, AtasPunyaAtasRahsia (hahahah, kelakar betul namanya..) aku rasa macam diorang perangai budak-budak, sial. Ntah apa-apa ntah... biasalah... dah giler kuasa.... apa nak buat? Kita kutuk ramai-ramai. Yeh! Kutuk diorang ramai-ramai.

Eh, tengah buat camtu ker skarang nie? Betul jugak... okaylah, takper. Aku minta diri dulu.

Ta-ta! Bai-bai! I lap you!

[vckums]

Well how in hell did they find out about it? :lol:

Fucking net nazis.

I dunno, maybe they tracked IP's?

[Bitchkoma]

Wah, susah lah macam tu. Aku punya line macam sial punya tak stabil. Tiba-tiba dah disconnect. Karang dia sambung balik dia tukar jadi IP baru.

Oh... mungkin diorang ban kau sebab diorang ada baca thread ini kut? Bukannya boleh percaya diorang ni....

[vckums]

BK how about in plain english LOL

[mojo]

Looking for a net translator to find out wth BK is talking about.
It sounds fuckn funny whatever it is. :D

[vckums]

Mojo maybe we need to be lit in order to read it?

[Yo Mama]

This is the one BK gave me. It's adequate to get the gist of what he's talking about. http://www.citcat.com/

[Hazelnut]

I would like to remind you that you aren't at ATS.

So far, things have gone very smoothly here with the members getting along exceptionally and actually respecting one another.


As you can tell, you have not been "silenced" and will not be as long as you can drop the "ATS business as usual" attitude.

If you have a problem with the ways things are done here, stop with the not-so-subtle insults and get whatever you need to off you chest.

As vckums pointed out, you have made very few posts here and only in the introductions forum. While I understand that you are trying to "set records straight", you can do so without being an ass.

I understand that you may have a hard time with a sense of "digital community" coming from ATS but, seeing as how you seem to have at least a medium level of intelligence, the concept shouldn't be TOO hard for you to grasp.

If your only interest is belittling the membership of AmKon, please do us a favor and fuck off. If not, please prove it by dropping your ATS mod mentality and actually becoming a MEMBER of the community.



Thanks,
Jasn

Interesting background info.

:popcorn:

[skunk]

BK, i terlupa untuk membetulkan semula kata laluan anda lah

[Watcher-In-The-Shadows]

Hey, does anyone know if yo mama is doing ok?
Been kinda wondering.

[skunk]

She posted a few times in january, and hasn't been back since.

[Watcher-In-The-Shadows]

That sucks.
I actually miss her.