Was Jesus Real?

[mojo]

Was Jesus Real.

A few different views here, the obvious christian view of Jesus as the son of God or God, though some alternative christian views on this also, the muslim view of Jesus as a prophet, those that think there was no such person, and then there is the most interesting of all the theory's imo.
Was Jesus really Tutankhamun. Here's some background on this particular theory. Firstly Ahmed Osman.


www.dwij.org (http://www.dwij.org/forum/amarna/7_tutankhamun_christ.html)


In the tomb of Tutankhamun there is a unique scene, not found in any other Egyptian burial, representing the Trinity of Christ.



The most remarkable feature of this scene is the fact that the risen Osiris, although shown in the conventional mummified form with his hands folded across his chest, is reaching out to touch Horus, as is his kA Thus we have Tutankhamun as father, son and spirit—the same relationship that we find in the Christian Trinity of the three persons in one God—Father, Son and Holy Spiri



Next, has the Ark of the Covenant been found? have you seen what was found in Tutankhamun's tomb. :D

www.lexiline.com (http://www.lexiline.com/lexiline/lexi222.htm)


The Lord said to Moses
"The poles shall remain in the rings of the ark
they shall not be taken from it."


And the Table of the Tabernacle.

www.lexiline.com (http://www.lexiline.com/lexiline/lexi333.htm)

The consecrated parts of Aaron.

www.lexiline.com (http://www.lexiline.com/lexiline/lexi400.htm)

And so on, there are numerous more pictures on this site of the treasures found in Tutankhamun's tomb, all of which can be linked to biblical writings.


More similarities between Tutankhamun and Jesus.


www.egyptcx.netfirms.com (http://www.egyptcx.netfirms.com/was_tutankhamun_historical_jesus3.htm)

I find this theory quite interesting though not convincing. Any thoughts.

Btw it's OK AP i'm not turning, i just love history and how perhaps religion conjures its own history from the pages of far older manuscripts.

[Yo Mama]

I know, mojo -- I'm fascinated by the subject too, and nobody's going to be revoking my militant atheist membership card anytime soon.

I don't have time to really get into this right now, I have to get my daughter off to school. But I will go over this and get back to the subject in my long winded and cynical style sometime later today or tomorrow.

[mojo]

No worry's AP.
Ive always found the link between Sumerian religion and its evolution into the Judeo christian religion particularly
interesting. I dont understand why it isnt more widely accepted,
the evidence is compelling.
this, if true would be another piece of the puzzle.

[Occam]

I'm fascinated by why anyone gives a sh_t. about this. There's a nine page running argument about this on another forum I go to.

There's no way to prove or disprove his existence, and who cares? Agreed that the second, third, and greater hand reports that are available have had a major effect on our western civilization (for good or bad dependent on one's views), and we can recognize that. But, arguing about whether or not he actually existed is a variety of the angels on the head of a pin crap.

Occam

[mojo]

I'm interested from a historical perspective not a religious one.
Ive had an interest in Sumer culture and its effect on other cultures
for years, i guess my questioning whether jesus was real or not
answers some questions and connections i would like to make in
regards to that.
Its no different to me than asking whether Troy was a mythological or real city.

mojo

[Yo Mama]

Sumeria was the first great civilization in that part of the world, so it's inevitable that there'd be influences on all the cultures specific to that region for quite some time afterward.

We're just having fun, KO, until the fundies show up. :lol:

[JiveTurkey]

You can't have fundamentalists without the fun.................of course, mental is also required.



;P


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[Oblivion]

topic: was jesus real.



sorry, i dont need imaginary friends or 2000 yr old bed time stories that are full of hypocracy and genocide, clearly designed to scare a populous into line.

better be good, or santa will put a lump of coal in your xmas stocking.
better be good, or you'll burn in hell..
better be good or..... well you get the idea already.

ive been waiting to use my new rubber stamp for a while, and this thread is the first.

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[mojo]

Now now kiddies.
There is actually a reasonable amount of circumstantial evidence
indicating that Jesus was in fact a real historical figure. I am not
suggesting he was the son of god or performed miracles but
merely looking for a link between christianity and older egyptian
and sumerian religious teachings.


geez who do i have to smack around here to get a sensible reply.

j/k

:D

[Yo Mama]

I'm of the school that hearsay and circumstantial evidence is not sufficient.

It wouldn't hold up in a court of law, so it's not good enough evidence for me to say that there was an individual named Jesus.

Back to the OP, I've heard a school of thought that Mary Mother of Jesus was a re-working of the Isis/Horus myth.

[mojo]

Back to the OP, I've heard a school of thought that Mary Mother of Jesus was a re-working of the Isis/Horus myth.

Yes there is, Mary Magdalene is also linked to Tutankhamun. The Egyptian myths and gods, or most anyway can be traced back to an earlier time as well, ie sumeria.

[Boondock]

i honestly don't care a lot about this topic.....i DEFINATELY do not think he was the son of god or some divine dude or anything like that....if he did exist, he probably just cruised around jeruselum macking for hoe's making rocking chairs and shit...
thats my take on it...

[zysin5]

Yeah let me go ahead and weigh in on this one here..

Jesus reminds me of Mr. Toads wild ride.

A yarn for you're enjoyment! Or in our case, a misfortune.

For such a good guy, you would think you could have a choice in what you feel. But no! IF you dont belive the story we tell you, You are going to hell... :roll:

But humans have proved they can make their own reality. While the physics are the same for everyone exsisting within this 3rd level. But the mental and projection of emotions can be changed and controled. Jesus is very real for some. Jesus is not real for others..
So to answer you the best I can, Yes he is real.. And no he is not real.
Both answers are correct. 8)