Isolationism is America's Answer

[SpeakerofTruth]

Isolationism Is America's Answer

When America was formed in 1776, it was formed without any obligation to a world that, even then, was out of control. However, throughout the last two centuries, it has somehow become incumbent upon America to respond to ever disaster and have relation with every nation in the world.

Now, we live in a world that has turned its menacing eye upon America, and in their ignorant indignation, have decided to attack us. Well, there is only one solution for America, and that solution has a name. The name is isolationism.

There is no need for America to continue to have military personnel spread all over the world, whenour own national security is a question. Why protect people who despise us, when our own national borders are not even secure? Yet, that is exactly what is occurring.

Then you have people who practice the "blame America first" tactic very liberally. Somehow, according to some rather skewed minds, everything that goes on is somehow America's fault. Ironically, even if America does choose isolation, somehow these people will find reasons to blame America for their own corrupt governments and way of life.

I suggest that America, over the next 5-10 years, begin to withdraw from the world scene. Sit back, and let it play out. We should secure our own nation, and to hell with the rest. Let them fend for their own.

[Tetsujin]

Speaker I am giving you a virtual hetero hug mate :shock: ! We should not put other people before our own people. I mean for god sakes other nations take care of thier people before other peoples! Bring our boys home!

[JiveTurkey]

This was, hands down, the BEST thread ever posted at that other forum.


Thanx for bringing it over amigo....now I must "digg" it.

[mojo]

Being as im not from the US its probably difficult for me to understand exactly how you guy's feel over there. I would add though that i think your present situation is very much of your own making (not yours per se but your governments and business leaders who are often one and the same).


However, throughout the last two centuries, it has somehow become incumbent upon America to respond to ever disaster and have relation with every nation in the world.


This in effect was not forced upon your nation by other country's but embraced at the time by yourselves (again i dont mean you personally). It was America that chose that path.

The problem with total isolationism is that you practically cannot achieve it. There are so many products and resources which you depend upon that you simply could not supply to your current population without severely impacting upon your standard of living. Though i do also sometimes wish that Australia would stay out of world affairs and just look after our own i dont believe that it is possible anymore, and we are only small fish!

[zysin5]

SpeakerofTruth! Agree'ed mate! And great post! Its nice to be umoung my peers agin! And hearing all the great projections which comes out of you're head!

I Dig that! And once agin am honored to be here, and taking it all in!
There will be much to talk about in here, and just getting my notepads together, so that I can start posting more of my thoughts, to connect with your thoughts!

I remember this thread clearly from that "other" place..
I very much agree with what you state..

But you notice as much as I do.. That our borders are not being watched.. Yet they want to claim HLS, and other crap..
Please, we both know where that is going, and I dont like it any more than you do!

Many also didnt understand what you meant by the subject line..
They would read the subject line, not bother to read your whole post, and try to reply to you saying this and that, without fully understanding what you are trying to say..

thumbs up, and I hear you loud and clear.

[Occam]

TOO LATE!!! First, our lovely administration has gotten us into 9 trillion dollars of debt to a few other countries (China, Japan, Arabia, Germany, etc.). There's no way we can just close our doors and not pay them.

Second, those countries have already bought some U.S. industries and are heavily invested in others.

Third, if we don't cooperate with the rest of the world, their continued population growth, increasing military and industrial power, and the pressure of global warming will assure that they see the U.S. as a plum ripe for picking. Even if they couldn't win, the nuclear catastrophes would make everyplace not much worth living in.

Fourth, we may talk a good game of energy independence, but we aren't close yet. If we didn't allow oil imports most of the automobiles in the U.S. would be abandoned because of lack of gasoline. If we just allowed oil imports, we'd have nothing to pay for it with that the other countries would accept.

We might have been able to do it sixty years ago, but that ship has sailed.

Occam
edited for name change

[Kacen]

Part of me agrees.

Part of me doesn't.

Mental dilemma.

I just hope we go "liberal" on social issues, problem is most isolationist thinkers are against such things.

I don't want us to be too backwards. I'm only okay with being right wing on economics.

Now I know what we were founded on, but sometimes you need to move forwards, you know? I assume your voting for Ron Paul?

Well seriously constant paranoia about a one world government is just that; paranoia. Digging yourself into a mental pit.

First things first we need to eliminate the neo-conservatives and the Christian Right who are severely screwing us over...that should be the biggest priority.

They are more patriotic towards their religion and wallets than towards the United States.

I do agree with Ron Paul on many things, though he's horribly outdated. It's the equivilent to someone running for UK Prime Minister on a platform that the UK needs to return to feudalism and absolute monarchy.

Mike Gravel, in my opinion, is the progressive Ron Paul that we need for the future. They have those qualities in common despite having vastly different economic opinions.

Sadly no one knows jack shit about him...he has no delegates...*sigh*

I have my own political beliefs I may outline in another thread.

[Martian Exile]

When he speaks of isolationism, I don’t think he means isolating ourselves from imports and exports, I think he is simply saying that we should keep our snott locker out of other countries business. As Teddy Roosevelt said, “walk softly and carry a big neutron bomb”

What really bugs me is the fact that our foreign policy is squandering my retirement (read devaluing our currency) in the futile attempt to civilize utter barbarians.

As to Ron Paul, I have been throwing away my vote on him for the last twenty years.

As the Limeliters used to sing:

That’s right you tell’um son,
Isolationism can bed fun!
Back to Berry,
Back to cash and carry,
Back with Berry’s boys

[Foxtrot Oscar]

The problem is IMO...

The the US has been putting it's snot locker (like that) in to other peeps business for far too long now. If they stop.

A lot of innocent people all over the world will die.

The US will lose a hell of a lot of political influence that they have over smaller nations.

There would be a good chance China would slowly build influence and then bugger the US good and proper. Although a lot of people think this is coming one way or another anyhow.

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[Iori Komei]

My short answer.

Isolationism will not only destroy us but destroy the tenants of Freedom and Democracy worldwide.

[Martian Exile]

Is the goal of world wide democracy a religion?

[Iori Komei]

Is the goal of world wide democracy a religion?

Religion requires the belief in a higher power, continual existence after the death of the physical body or general belief in other magical things, so no it does not meet the required attributes to be considered as such.

It is however quite qualifiable as a movement.

[JiveTurkey]

My short answer.

Isolationism will not only destroy us but destroy the tenants of Freedom and Democracy worldwide.


A short answer like that REQUIRES a long answer...haha


Explain.



As you already know, I feel that a LACK of isolation for the United States is destroying the tenants of Freedom and Democracy worldwide.


J

[Iori Komei]

It would destroy us in that it would severely erode the alliances we have with other countries and allow countries like China to gain further influence as well as countries like Russia regaining influence, which would eventually lead to us being destroyed.

It is only because of the efforts of the United States that the world outside the Western hemisphere is'nt either Fascist or a mixture of Leninist/Stalinist/Maoist, now after WW2 Western Europe obviously has started picking up the role to, but if it was'nt for us there's a good chance the Third Reich would be alive and strong today.



In the end, when it comes down to it we are all citizens of Earth and thusly all have the same responsibilities.

[anarch]

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[anarch]

Isolationism Is America's Answer

When America was formed in 1776, it was formed without any obligation to a world that, even then, was out of control. However, throughout the last two centuries, it has somehow become incumbent upon America to respond to ever disaster and have relation with every nation in the world.

Now I take issue with this. In so many ways. The USA was roughly formed but only the declaration. Our Constitution would wait another year. And their was obligation the US owed. Primarily the french. As for the world being out of control???when is it not?


Is it incumbent for the US to respond to every disaster and have relation with every nation?....well as a UN member you would think we would be open to receiving other UN nations... course that ain't always the case. And I believe that the US only responds to disasters when it must or when it can benefit. You'll note them fuckers in Chili did not get much press when they had their 9 pointer (not including our own Cogburns Live stream of the Chilian Tsunami). On the flip side we are still talking in Haiti for some reason(OIL). Go figure eh?




Now, we live in a world that has turned its menacing eye upon America, and in their ignorant indignation, have decided to attack us. Well, there is only one solution for America, and that solution has a name. The name is isolationism.

There is no need for America to continue to have military personnel spread all over the world, whenour own national security is a question. Why protect people who despise us, when our own national borders are not even secure? Yet, that is exactly what is occurring.

Then you have people who practice the "blame America first" tactic very liberally. Somehow, according to some rather skewed minds, everything that goes on is somehow America's fault. Ironically, even if America does choose isolation, somehow these people will find reasons to blame America for their own corrupt governments and way of life.

I suggest that America, over the next 5-10 years, begin to withdraw from the world scene. Sit back, and let it play out. We should secure our own nation, and to hell with the rest. Let them fend for their own.

And In most I agree. I do believe in a more stream lined open immigration process. I also believe our military would be of better use here at home. Fuck the middle east and the south pacific... alas, economics of old rich white men are just gonna keep the status quo.

I would not mind if the US took an Isolationist position for a decade as long as that position did not include concentration camps... and as it stands, gitmo is still open for business.

[Chorlton]

Isolationism Is America's Answer

When America was formed in 1776, it was formed without any obligation to a world that, even then, was out of control. However, throughout the last two centuries, it has somehow become incumbent upon America to respond to ever disaster and have relation with every nation in the world.

Fantasy Bullshit that many yanks like to believe. The US pokes its nose into others business when it is financially advantageuos for them to do so.
When it isnt it is quite happy to let millions die and suffer.


Now, we live in a world that has turned its menacing eye upon America, and in their ignorant indignation, have decided to attack us. Its called 'Payback' for all the US financial and economocal medling in other nations business. Welcome to the real world.


Well, there is only one solution for America, and that solution has a name. The name is isolationism.I'll tell you a secret. America has always been isolated, its never really been considered as part of the open world of trading.


There is no need for America to continue to have military personnel spread all over the world, whenour own national security is a question.You are protecting your financial interest old son. Wake up and smell the toast.


Then you have people who practice the "blame America first" tactic very liberally. Somehow, according to some rather skewed minds, everything that goes on is somehow America's fault.Not completely true but about 99% true. The problem is your average American doesnt even have a passport so lacks the werewithall to actually get out of your xenophobic hole and see the damage that the US and its overseas trading policies has done


Ironically, even if America does choose isolation, somehow these people will find reasons to blame America for their own corrupt governments and way of life.Because the US meddles in other countries agriculture and trading polices.
It get many many small businesses closed down by selling cheap US goods then when all the companies are closed it jacks its prices up. Wonderfull eh? and you still wonder why people hate you? prick


I suggest that America, over the next 5-10 years, begin to withdraw from the world scene. Sit back, and let it play out. We should secure our own nation, and to hell with the rest. Let them fend for their own.Your egotism is astounding as well as incredibly missplaced.

I would suggest a good read of 'Positive Economics' Lipsey
Then your 3 brain cells might get enlarged to 4

[BE2]

it has somehow become incumbent upon America to respond to ever disaster and have relation with every nation in the world.sounds good to me. unfortunately it's also untrue. That is the myth that covers for corporate hegemony. The real goal of American meddling has morphed into pure exploitation. I think that's what Chorlton said. So consider this an amen.