AIDS: Manmade, or Natural?

[JiveTurkey]

I have done a good bit of reading about the whole "AIDS Conspiracy" over the years.

I was just wondering what you guys thought about this issue.

Do you believe that AIDS was manmade and intentionally distributed as a means of curing the population of certain "undesirables", or do you feel it's just another of life's wonderful curveballs?



Personally, I have to go with man made. I have read far too much for me to find ALL of the little happenings (coinciding with vaccines, doctor at military base developing an immuno deficiency disease and it turning up a few months later, etc) purely coincidental.


Though, I believe it mutated in ways they may not have expected.



Jasn

[Yo Mama]

No, I don't think it is.

Unfortunately, I can't point you at the thread "over there" where Jazzerman and I pretty much tear that argument apart. Sigh.

I have HIV. If anyone has a reason to want to believe it's manmade, it's me.

The evidence actually points to accidental release of it into the population from chimpanzees being hunted and eaten.

There's an abstract about the genome of the viruses in question Here. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9989410)

There is an article that describes the results of the study here. (http://main.uab.edu/show.asp?durki=8535)

As nutso as I think govgoons can be, I can't see them being so very stupid as to think they could control something like this once it got into the general population.

HIV is just nature's way of telling us we're overpopulating, IMO.

[Boondock]

i think it is manmade too.
general, i would really like to see you tear it up in here cause i am sure you know a lot about it...

i don't know if they released it on purpose or if it got away from them on accident....thing is, there was nothing and then kinda like snap, there it was......


maybe the evil prince put it in the mashed potatos with the galoot cologna

[Boondock]

general.....you're supposed to come in here and dazzle me

[Yo Mama]

But ... but ... the links I provided tell all!

HIV is directly related to SIV, which has been found in Pan troglodytes. It is believed to have crossed species lines many times in the past, but with population growth and ecosystem destruction, the pool of virus spread more rapidly to humans, via hunting and eating chimps, mainly.

the conspiracy here is that the Catholic church keeps telling African Catholics that using a condom is a sin. The conspiracy also lies in the prices of AIDS medications and the way the pharmaceutical companies refuse to release the patents so that the drugs can be made more cheaply generically. Because the African nations can't afford medications for their sick populations, they are spreading the misinformation that HIV doesn't cause AIDS.

A witch doctor told men that in order to be cured, they had to have sex with a virgin. Now children as young as 10 months old are being raped and infected.

I truly don't think that the origin of the virus is a conspiracy. But the way damage control and treatment has been handled is ridiculously inept and irresponsible.

i wish Jazzerman was here. He works in this field, and knows a hell of a lot more about it than I do.

All I know is that I was told in 1992, when diagnosed, that I had three years to live, and yet I'm still here, being a general nuisance.

[Boondock]

gn, do you mind if i pm you a couple questions reguarding your situation?
i am curious of a couple things

[Yo Mama]

No prob, fire away.

[Boondock]

No prob, fire away.

check your pm's

[Yo Mama]

YOU check YOURS. :P

[Deadflagblues]

I believe it was man made. I used to be quite obsessed over the issue a year back. Kind of consumed my life for a month or so, that I, 'til this day believe it was man made and distributed through a number of "vaccines." The coincidences that had taken place was pretty astounding, probably only rivaling that of 9/11, but now we're talking apples and oranges.

[Boondock]

i just wouldn't put it past the gov to manufacture something like this..
how is it any different than them experimenting with sarin, vx, mustard, etc etc....

they don't give a fuck about us

[Yo Mama]

But they do give a fuck about themselves. Sarin, mustard, etc. doesn't sit in the bloodstream like an invisible time bomb and infect people 20 years down the road. No telling where the virus will go once it's released, or who it will take out.

If the government killed us all off, there'd be no taxes, and they'd be out of work. So I really don't buy that.

[Boondock]

But they do give a fuck about themselves. Sarin, mustard, etc. doesn't sit in the bloodstream like an invisible time bomb and infect people 20 years down the road. No telling where the virus will go once it's released, or who it will take out.

If the government killed us all off, there'd be no taxes, and they'd be out of work. So I really don't buy that.

it still seems logical to me that this is something that 'they' created either on purpose or on accident. it seems logical that it got away from them either on purpose or on accident.
i guess i just don't put anything past 'them'

[Lexion]

Personally, I believe it is a
man-made bio-weapon gone
wrong during testing.

Specifically designed and tested
by MK-Naomi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKNAOMI)

Meh, our govt. has done worse.

Regards,
Lex

[johnlear]

I believe that the AIDS virus was developed by the Department of the Navy in the middle 80’s. The doctor credited with the development of the AIDS virus was R. M. Donner who is now retired from the Navy and lives in the southwest U.S.

Bob Lazar and I made several attempts in 1989 and 1990 to contact him at his house in the southwest U.S. I obtained his address from CIA contacts. He was never there, or at least, never answered the doorbell.

Aids is a virus that is protected by a protein coat on the RNA preventing the antibodies (T-4 cells) of the immune system from detecting and eliminating it.

The alleged cure for AIDS lies in the excrement of the white fungus that’s grown from the Chinese cucumber tricosanthes kirilowii. This excrement (which develops after about 2 or 3 weeks exposure to room temperature) is separated with hydrazine sulfate and then goes through an acidification process which dissolves the protein coat on the RNA and exposes the nucleus of the virus that’s detected by the antibodies of the immune system. Regardless of how weak the immune system is the virus will be destroyed in a very short time, usually in 3 or 4 days at most. Recovery is immediate.

No more than 20cc dose per 36 hour period should be administered. No antibiotics should be used during this period. The 20 cc’s are metabolized in 36 hours having dissolved the protein coat of the virus.

Over the past 20 years several I have been party to several attempts to get samples of the tricosanthes kirilowii out of China, the only place where it is currently grown but all have met with failure. The last samples having been mysteriously ‘cooked’ during departure procedures at the airport.

In closing: Dr. Robert Strecker was the first one to alert the public that the AIDS virus was intentionally created by our government. In his video "The Strecker Memorandum" he detailed how he became aware of the true facts surrounding the development of the AIDS virus. Naturally he was hounded and hammered by the government and I haven't heard from Bob for many years.

Bob, if you are reading this call me. You know where I am.

[spacevisitor]

I really think that this AID virus was developed on purpose and for reasons of decrease in a way the world’s ongoing growth of the worldly population.

http://esa.un.org/unpp/

Expectation of the world Population in 2050, medium variant, is 9.191.287.000 people.

And who knows what else where/is done for that reason?
There is definitely so much we don’t know.

Concerning the world’s ongoing growth of the worldly population, there must definitely in my opinion be something done about that, because when you see what the consequences will be on the long term, this can’t go on this way forever, but how?
Perhaps morally obliged birth control?

[theeindiee]

The AIDS virus... hmm. I've never studied too in depth about AIDS conspiracies... but here's a thought:

They originally tested the prototype of the virus on AIDS on chimps, released some back into the wild as an insurance policy (dare any inquiring mind rise above the taboo of questioning sensetive subjects), and then finally released the human version of the virus on Africans by infected vaccines. Once Africans started seeking treatment, doctors killed one of their captive SIV infected monkeys and showed it to the Africans, saying "you got it from eating infected monkey meat."

Once the virus was released in America, they already had their story from Africa. Now, they just needed to make anyone who ever dared question AIDS seem like they were being disrespectful or a biggot. This is why AIDS was originally "rumoured" to be a homosexual disease, and then it became a disease that only prostitutes had, then a disease that only slutty people had... connected with all of these "borderline" groups in the public eye.

A rational person would see somebody questioning AIDS and say "Oh he's just questioning AIDS. Nothing wrong with that."

but people are NOT rational, and since everything has become so PC, a majority of them will think "He shouldn't be bringing that up. Let those people be at peace with their bad lifestyle choices. You're disrespecting them."

So... it's possible... however, the overpopulation IS a plauge on the Earth, and disease is kind of like the white blood cells that keep everything in check.... so it's possible that it could be natural, too.

Bed-time.

[Martian Exile]

John wrote:

“In closing: Dr. Robert Strecker was the first one to alert the public that the AIDS virus was intentionally created by our government. In his video "The Strecker Memorandum" he detailed how he became aware of the true facts surrounding the development of the AIDS virus. Naturally he was hounded and hammered by the government and I haven't heard from Bob for many years.

Bob, if you are reading this call me. You know where I am�

John,

I had a dear friend who was a doctor. He showed me Dr. Streckers video many years ago, you and that doctor are the only people I have “met� who have ever heard of him, or of his story. The Doc is now dead, and until tonight I had no way of digging up Streckers’ work.

Thanks

[skunk]

Manmade, end of story.

[theeindiee]

What a horrible ending to a sad story.

Damn.

[dk3000]

Manmade. Simple as that IMO.

Thanks John for your post. I hope you can help people who are infected.

[JiveTurkey]

But they do give a fuck about themselves. Sarin, mustard, etc. doesn't sit in the bloodstream like an invisible time bomb and infect people 20 years down the road. No telling where the virus will go once it's released, or who it will take out.

If the government killed us all off, there'd be no taxes, and they'd be out of work. So I really don't buy that.


My only problem with that particular point of view is, I honestly believe that they can and DO control it.


To use a very simplistic 'argument'....

Most of us are very aware of the fact that most government officials (especially in the higher levels) are quite fond of fucking any and everything that they can.


Why aren't they dropping like flies??


I don't hear of them dying from cancer en masse (like the rest of the planet). I don't hear of them being HIV positive.


Just a thought.


I honestly believe it is a man made virus and that is is VERY easily controlled by those who have the means to do so.



I hate to be it's bitch again but I have also heard wonderful things about teh silver when it comes to HIV.



J

[Kacen]

If you're talking about the conspiracy theory about A.I.D.S. being created by the C.I.A. to be honest that doesn't hold much water in my opinion.

I mean, why would it first pop up in Africa? Doesn't make any sense.

[Chorlton]

I believe that the AIDS virus was developed by the Department of the Navy in the middle 80’s. The doctor credited with the development of the AIDS virus was R. M. Donner who is now retired from the Navy and lives in the southwest U.S.

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Ahh I see youve updated your dates now John?
On ATS you said it was invented in 1979 and when I pointed out your mistake (just one in a long line of your mistakes including the rubbish about Gough Whitlam and OZ) you went quiet. (whats new eh John?)
NO Doctor has been 'Credited with anything' despite what you say.

John Lear says:

"Over the past 20 years several I have been party to several attempts to get samples of the tricosanthes kirilowii out of China, the only place where it is currently grown but all have met with failure. The last samples having been mysteriously ‘cooked’ during departure procedures at the airport. "

John you do spout some shite. The particular genus of Chinese Cucumber you mention, but wrongly, its actually 'Trichosanthes kirilowii' has been available outside China for many many years. Its one of the basics of Chinese Herbalism. You can even buy seeds in your good old US of A
http://www.sandmountainherbs.com/cucumber_chinese.html
My wife grew it in a Polytunnel a few years back, but its bitter and is a very acquired taste, (sort of like the stuff you post)

Please engage your failing braincell before you spout bullshit.

[skunk]

chorlton you're really a huge douche bag, asshat.

...Nothing productive to add to the thread, carry on...

[Martian Exile]

Ditto to what BS said. There are civilized ways of making your point tactfully, but that requires a vocabulary and some intelligence.

[Chorlton]

chorlton you're really a huge douche bag, asshat.

...Nothing productive to add to the thread, carry on...

Nothing productive? I destoyed his argument and showed him to be a liar. Im sorry if Ive hurt your opinion of Lear, but the man needs to be shown for what he is, a liar and attention seeking fantasist.

He posted the same stuff on ATS and I showed conclusively there that he lade it up. He then posts the same thing here but conveniently changed the dates.

I posted his rubbish about the cure only being available in China was another load of invented tripe to build his ego.

I mean if you really want to believe Lear, thats fine, but dont even think about stopping people from showing Lear up for what he really is, a sad, attention seeking old man.
If he wants to believe what he wants, thats fine, but when he starts spouting it as fact and truth and attempting to foist his lies on to others and creating 'History according to Lear' I will point out the truth.

And as Lear would say 'Thanks for your post'

[Chorlton]

Ditto to what BS said. There are civilized ways of making your point tactfully, but that requires a vocabulary and some intelligence.

Ahh yes 'Vocabulary and some intelligence' do you mean like the 'vocabulary and intelligence shown in the post above that says, SO eloquently:

"chorlton you're really a huge douche bag, asshat."

Ahhh what finesse ! what vocabulary! what class !! :lol:

When an idiot posts utter rubbish, as Lear did, then I will respond in a like manner.

[Martian Exile]

“a sad, attention seeking old man” eh?

I would venture to say that Mr. Lear has done more and forgotten than you will ever do in several of your lifetimes.

Lest you try to say that John fabricated the colorful life he portrays in his autobiography, I will tell you first that John and I have a mutual friend in one Captain Fred L. Austin, past VP of TWA, who confirmed to me personally some of the magnificent stunts that John pulled over the years. As an ex-bush pilot I had deep respect for Mr. Lear long before he he took up his latest hobby of yanking your chain. Getting a gullible literalist like you worked up has got to be a real gas for him.

I have a standing gag on this site, I say “I believe in the Lock Ness Monster because it is FUN to believe in the Lock Ness Monster.” Perhaps you could learn something from that gag.


The choice of your avatar speaks volumes of what you must think of yourself; perhaps that opinion is true, for in just two postings in as many threads that you have made, I have come to the conclusion that you are a repugnant self absorbed megalomaniac.

[Chorlton]

“a sad, attention seeking old man” eh?.
Yep. I believe it all probably started as a joke to get a bit of publicity but when people began believing his rubbish he saw it as a way to get attention and money. I mean, his dad disowned him, so he had to create a persona to try and compete with him rather than just being known as 'the son of the man who invented the Lear Jet.



I would venture to say that Mr. Lear has done more and forgotten than you will ever do in several of your lifetimes..

Ahhhh but assumptions can make fools of people. You dont know me, who I am or what I've done, but, though there are only a mere few years between Lear and I, I've never been a drug runner or gun smuggler to illegal regimes, as Lear has admitted.


Lest you try to say that John fabricated the colorful life he portrays in his autobiography, I will tell you first that John and I have a mutual friend in one Captain Fred L. Austin, past VP of TWA, who confirmed to me personally some of the magnificent stunts that John pulled over the years. As an ex-bush pilot I had deep respect for Mr. Lear long before he he took up his latest hobby of yanking your chain. Getting a gullible literalist like you worked up has got to be a real gas for him..
He was a pilot, thats all.
But because he's had an exciting life you are quite happy for him to post alarmist and untruthfull statements about AIDS as he does? Statements which I have proven were lies? Statements which could give people suffering from that terrible problem a hope that doesnt exist?
Curious indeed. Are you also happy with Lears admission that he was also a gun runner and drug runner?. Its also fascinating that when questions were put to him on another forum (from which he was banned) about certain airplanes he said he had flown he didnt have a clue? and dissapeared from the thread very quickly?. Are you happy about his alleged knowledge of Element 115 which he says he knows about which could make free energy for everyone?. Fairytales are fun, but when it becomes serious it becomes dangerous.
HMM 'gullible literalist' fasinating usage of words. Lear has never got me worked up though dear,
neither has he 'pulled my chain' as your toilet intelligence has so wonderfully put it. I just dont like liars and snake oil salesmen and Lear is both. (though a bad one)



I have a standing gag on this site, I say “I believe in the Lock Ness Monster because it is FUN to believe in the Lock Ness Monster.” Perhaps you could learn something from that gag..
No I cant learn anything from it. Maybe you should carefully examine what Lear posted, then examine the reasons for my rebuttal of his lies. But I suspect that the whooshing sound was logic flying over your head. Im happy to tolerate a whole lot of the rubbish Lear posts, like Soul Catchers on the moon etc etc etc, but when he starts spouting ill educated medical rubbish which can directly affect people, I wont ignore it

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The choice of your avatar speaks volumes of what you must think of yourself; perhaps that opinion is true, for in just two postings in as many threads that you have made, I have come to the conclusion that you are a repugnant self absorbed megalomaniac.

Its an avatar sunshine, nothing more nothing less. Its probably a little more acceptable than some other avatars here? but I see you arent jumping on them, and your target of attack, along with your assumptions about someone shows you to be very easily influenced.
I attack Lears lies because there must always be answers to lies. I posted evidence that he was a liar. If that damages your belief in Lear, Im sorry, but sometimes, truth hurts.

[mojo]

Attack the posts not the person.
Argue the evidence not each others character.

Just a general comment, not aimed at anyone in particular.

Thanks.

[Martian Exile]

Since John and I have had very similar lives, nothing he has done in the past bothers me in the least. (I have not however, raced a B25 in the Reno air races.)

And no, his new hobby does not bother at all me either.

A few months back I was having dinner with a magazine editor. Knowing that I am an engineering consultant in mine and tunnel construction, he suggested that I work out the improbability of constructing a tunnel from the Pacific to area 51 to accommodate nuclear submarines. He gave me no details and left it for me to do the research. He then left on an extended vacation. I googled the words “top secret nuclear submarine base at area 51” and this little forum was at the very top of the list. When I clicked on it it was one of Johns posts. I got a good laugh knowing that I was the subject of a little practical joke, John and the editor are no doubt good friends. Looking back, there was a twinkle in his wife's eyes when he asked me to write the article.

I had never been to, nor participated in, an internet forum before. This little site looked like a lot of fun, so I joined. If I post in the threads that I have kissed the Lock Ness Monster does that make me a liar? If I talk about the little girl ghost in my old plantation house does that make me delusional? Or is it just part of the experience of this medium? I thoroughly enjoy Johns posts, it’s all part of the fun of the joint.

You are kidding yourself if you think you are not worked up over his posts. If you think you are saving people from him, you are the one who is delusional.

[Yo Mama]

Don't worry about those of us with HIV finding false hope in crazy stories, Chorlton.

Those of us, like me, who've lived with it for nearly 20 years are well aware of where it came from and how to stay alive. I was told in '92 I had three years to live. I'm still here.

And it's not because of Chinese herbs, either. It's because of a combination of Western drugs and cannabis. Go figure.

[skunk]

Thank you, for the cannabis incite.

Chorlton, I thought you were a douche bag before you came over here and started attacking john lear. Even at sohai you were a fucking asshole.

Know your place, at the bottom of the garbage can. Fuck off.

[Chorlton]

Thank you, for the cannabis incite.

Chorlton, I thought you were a douche bag before you came over here and started attacking john lear. Even at sohai you were a fucking asshole.

Know your place, at the bottom of the garbage can. Fuck off.

Is that just above, or just below in the garbage can, I would sugest it is below me, going by your wonderfull juvenile language and lack of anything concrete offered to this thread. f you have to resort to that language you have lost the argument before you started. So sad, so much wasted potential, never mind, I bet your mum is proud of you.

I have offered facts and proof that Lear posted lies.

I dont consider he posted this below as a tongue in cheek joke.
If he did he is a very very sick man.

John Lear stated:
"The alleged cure for AIDS lies in the excrement of the white fungus that’s grown from the Chinese cucumber tricosanthes kirilowii. This excrement (which develops after about 2 or 3 weeks exposure to room temperature) is separated with hydrazine sulfate and then goes through an acidification process which dissolves the protein coat on the RNA and exposes the nucleus of the virus that’s detected by the antibodies of the immune system. Regardless of how weak the immune system is the virus will be destroyed in a very short time, usually in 3 or 4 days at most. Recovery is immediate.

No more than 20cc dose per 36 hour period should be administered. No antibiotics should be used during this period. The 20 cc’s are metabolized in 36 hours having dissolved the protein coat of the virus. "

To say something like that is ridiculous stupid and in my opinion criminal.

[Yo Mama]

As I said, I HAVE HIV. I have had it for nearly 20 years.

I know this "chinese herb" thing is utter crap, and so would any other veteran of the virus.

So don't bother being offended on my account.

JL's full of it, but so what? He's entertaining. No need to be so vicious about it.

But then, I tend to get that way with religious nut jobs, so who am I to throw stones?

Not. derailing ... thread. :arg:

[Yo Mama]

Oh, and BTW, what's with the guerilla tactics? your IP is on as a guest right now.

Feel free to come out and join us. You're as welcome here as any of us.

Or are you just functioning as a troll at the moment? Because if you are, I really thought you were better than that.

Kthx.

[Chorlton]

Oh, and BTW, what's with the guerilla tactics? your IP is on as a guest right now..
Hmmmm dont know why, ?


Feel free to come out and join us. You're as welcome here as any of us..
Many thanks sir though I suspect the welcome isnt as warm as from some?


Or are you just functioning as a troll at the moment? Because if you are, I really thought you were better than that.
Kthx.
As I said I dont know why I was shown as a guest?, I know my BB exchange is undergoing some updating (about time too), as Ive had a lot of line drops in the last week, but if you know me from elsewhere you should know Im not a troll, and neither do I back down from a good discussion.

[Yo Mama]

This forum is for everyone, even ones we don't like personally. So you'll have to take the likers with the haters.

As far as the other thing, if it wasn't what it looked like, my apologies.

It was weird you were logged off then logged in again after my comment, that's all.

Maybe it was just a coincidence. Maybe not.

But thanks for logging back in and reading along in costume as it were.


And ... back to the topic at hand, which was, IMO, the HIV virus is natural and western meds are, sadly, the best tool we have for fighting it currently.

spoken as someone who has lived infected for 16 years and affected for much longer, living in the SF area as I do.

[Chorlton]

This forum is for everyone, even ones we don't like personally. So you'll have to take the likers with the haters..
Oh Im very thick skinned, being a musician you have to be.


It was weird you were logged off then logged in again after my comment, that's all..
It has to be line drops, I have to even keep logging back into my email server, so I suspect Im having line drops, which I suspect would log me out and then show me as a guest? dunno really? But Im no troll, never have been never will be.


And ... back to the topic at hand, which was, IMO, the HIV virus is natural and western meds are, sadly, the best tool we have for fighting it currently.
spoken as someone who has lived infected for 16 years and affected for much longer, living in the SF area as I do.
I think as you, in that it is natural. Scientists are at the very least methodical and if someone had indeed created the Virus, I suspect they would have catalogued exactly how it was done which would show a possible way to fight it.
Being a Muso I have several friends who have the Virus and who *seem* OK but I lost a good friend in OZ to it last year, who decided he had found a cure-all and too late found it didnt work.

[Yo Mama]

In my experience, when they use the word "miracle" with the word "drug" it usually isn't.

I've seen the DMSO craze -- tried it myself and got nothing but blisters. Someone gave me one of those tea fungi, can't remember what it was called, but I was expected to drink the water this snot-looking thing had been marinating in all week, and it was too much for my gag reflex to handle. I've seen people go for complete blood transplants, all kinds of shit. Nothing has worked to destroy the virus. It hides in the lymph and is very difficult to eradicate there. The only thing that really works, consistently extends life spans and improves the quality of life are western drugs.

But people are desperate, and magical thinking hasn't left us, it's just being couched in technological terms now. Wonder drugs and miracle cures to me have been nothing more than rhinoceros horn and tiger penis.

[ChadAndrewAmKon]

Yes, AIDS, Ebola, Bird-Flu, and other diseases were (and still are) man-made. Please do more research about governments' long-history of making viral-diseases, along with their own criminal-records.

? Lorraine Day, M.D. discusses the facts about AIDS. (http://www.drday.com/facts.htm)
? The TRUTH About A.I.D.S (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGXGf_6W6Qw)

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Watch "The STRECKER Memorandum"
Robert B. Strecker M.D. PhD, presents with documented evidence the Truth about AIDS being a Man-Made Disease. In this now classic 1988 video, he lectures on how the 'Virus' was Predicted, Requested, Created and introduced into human population through Medical Injection Programs.

The fact is you are not being told the truth by the government or the so-called AIDS experts.
Order this "RETRO" video today -

Share this knowledge with everyone you can!

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part 5:
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Also: look for cures for victims of those diseases.

Please read at least 1 of Dr. Leonard Horowitz's books or watch any one of his documentaries about the man-made government's diseases (there's a list of them below this paragraph). Also read the information at that web-page/forum-thread:
Discovery of cure for cancer, aids and other viral diseases (http://amkon.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=2602)

Merck Vaccine Chief Brings HIV/AIDS to America (http://youtube.com/watch?v=edikv0zbAlU)
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Dr Leonard Horowitz wrote: (http://youtube.com/user/DrLeonardHorowitz)

This stunning censored interview conducted by medical historian Edward Shorter for WGBH public television (Boston) and Blackwell Science was cut from The Health Century due to its huge liability--the admission that Merck drug company vaccines have traditionally been injecting cancer viruses (SV40 and others) in people worldwide.

This segment of In Lies We Trust: The CIA, Hollywood & Bioterrorism, produced and freely contributed by consumer protector and public health expert, Dr. Leonard Horowitz, features the world's leading vaccine expert, Dr. Maurice Hilleman, who explains why Merck's vaccines have spread AIDS, leukemia, and other horrific plagues worldwide.

Please forward this clip (link) to everyone you know who thinks vaccines are "safe and effective."

CNN AIDS Genocide Wright Report (http://youtube.com/watch?v=jm5fLgdPvlU)
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Dr. Leonard Horowitz wrote: (http://youtube.com/user/DrLeonardHorowitz)

Immediately following Rev. Jeremiah Wright's nationally-televised assertion that HIV/AIDS is an Anglo-American genocidal program primarily targeting colored people, CNN produced this segment. It features an interview with Dr. Leonard Horowitz, author of Emerging Viruses: AIDS & Ebola—Nature, Accident or Intentional?, cited by Rev. Wright as evidence for his challenging assertion. A week later, CNN's Nick Sanchez interviewed Dr. Horowitz providing the "scientific evidence" upon which the genocide claims are based. The program was pulled and never aired.

Please watch more videos from Dr. Kevin Horowitz:

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[Yo Mama]

HIV jumped species from pan troglodytes.

Just like tuberculosis jumped from cows, hanta virus jumped from rodentia.

Not every disaster has a sinister motive behind it.

Sometimes the planet has ways of fighting back for herself.

[mojo]

Thank you, for the cannabis incite.

Chorlton, I thought you were a douche bag before you came over here and started attacking john lear. Even at sohai you were a fucking asshole.

Know your place, at the bottom of the garbage can. Fuck off.

I think Chorlton is as welcome here as any of us BS even if you don't agree with his demeanor or ascerbic style.
JL can give as good as he gets too from memory at the other place.
Lets keep the personal dislike shit out of the debate/discussion please.

Attack the posts NOT the poster, thats a gentle reminder for everyone.

You dont want the monkey to get mad. :D

[mojo]

Is AIDS manmade?
While i do believe that it is a possibility that it was a manmade virus i don't think it is.
There are some examples of manmade viruses either deliberately or accidently being released.

eg: http://www.science.org.au/nova/001/001key.htm


The accidental release of the rabbit calicivirus from Wardang Island in October 1995 is yet another development in the story of Australia's efforts to control pests.

There is still some debate here if it really was accidentally released, many of us don't think so.

So in answer i think it is possible that there have been many viruses/bacteriums purposefully or accidentally released, however i don't believe that AIDS was.
Though for those who believe in the NWO it fits the conspiracy angle nicely.

[Chorlton]

So many quotes, so many medical people and professors giving their opinions, but not one, single piece of solid hard checkable evidence that it was created. There is as much speculation and hearsay about cures for things as there are for UFO's being extraterrestrial. And there is a lot of money for people saying they created it, derision as well but if anyone could prove they created it, it would be worth billions. Just imagine, crete an Aids virus that attacks, say, people of Asian descent etc etc et, see where Im coming from? If someone did create Aids it wouldnt be very difficult for them to modify it to attack specific gene types.

A virus is a pretty damned smart bug, it mutates all the time, constantly. The cold virus, the flu virus, they all change, and IMHO thats what happened with the Aids virus. From something relatively benign, it mutated into something nasty.

But I remember something from a newspaper somewhere. "There is a cure for every known disease, but it doesnt work for everyone" In effect, something that cures cancer in one person wont cure it in someone else etc etc.

[Yo Mama]

As awful as HIV is, it may be a great boon for humanity.

If we ever crack how to kill it, and cure its victims, we'll have beaten viruses -- something that they haven't been able to do yet. That will change a lot of things in this world.

In the West, with proper medical care, it's no longer a death sentence, but a chronic illness like diabetes. That right there, is medical progress.

It's enough of a tragedy for the lost and their loved ones without trying to find a boogeyman involved.

[mojo]

Agreed GN.
Thing is many people (in the CT community) will continue to believe in some sort of government involvement in these types of diseases.
The precedents are there for all to see. Consider the use of chemical and biological weapons that have been made and used since WW1, not the same as releasing a virus i know, but still it shows the lengths some governments will go to.

(off topic bit)
I read an article a while back regarding the use of chemical and biological weapons many hundreds of years, amazing ingenuity, i'll see if i can't find it.

mojo

[mojo]

Not on topic post. :D

Ahh, this is the book, you may be able to get it at your local library as i did.
A fantastic read.

http://members.aol.com/afmayor/myhomepage/news.html

The use of diseased corpses was a particularly effective biological weapon employed by the Romans.
There is some cases of what many believe to be the use of Anthrax as an ancient biological weapon as well from old texts from the biblical era middle east.

http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/Apr ... r.spr.html (http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/April07/mayor.cover.spr.html)


"They catapulted Black Plague victims over the city walls," she recounted. "So many reports referred to biological warfare being a 21st-century dilemma, but I had gathered extensive ancient references to the use of poisons, pathogens and Greek fire and realized that the roots of such weapons were very ancient."


Carry on. :)